MP backs fight against Poppleton wind turbine

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YORK residents fighting plans for a wind turbine on Green Belt land near their homes have won support from their local MP.

Plans for the 36.4-metre mast at Grange Farm, on Hodgson Lane in Upper Poppleton, were submitted to City of York Council before Christmas, and the authority could make a decision within weeks.

But the application has drawn more than 130 objections, and York Outer MP Julian Sturdy has now added his voice to the protersters’ campaign, questioning whether the community has been properly consulted.

In his letter to planning officials, Mr Sturdy said: “My constituents believe that if the application were granted permission, it would have the potential to adversely affect their lives, livelihoods and wellbeing.

“Due to the size and scale of the proposed turbine, and being located only 300 metres from housing, my constituents believe this will have a detrimental impact on their residential amenity. The potential noise levels could also have important implications on their health and wellbeing.”

Mr Sturdy said Poppleton residents believed the turbine would be “much too large”, would “blight views of the local landscape” and be an “infringement” on the Green Belt, adding there was “considerable concern” about public consultation.

The turbine would be 46 metres high at its blade-tip, three quarters of the height of York Minster’s Central Tower, but renewable energy company Earthmill Ltd, the agents for the scheme, say it would not be “oppressive” nor intrude on the surrounding landscape.

They say its impact would be reduced by nearby trees and said the scheme would provide renewable energy for the farm and help UK efforts to tackle climate change, which outweighed planning policies about Green Belt developments.

Poppleton resident Marjorie Collinson, one of the objectors, said she feared approving the turbine could set a precedent. Another, Ian Routledge, said it was “completely out of context” and Edith Parkin branded it “extremely overbearing and overpowering”.

Upper Poppleton Parish Council is also opposing the scheme, however the city council’s environment and conservation department has said it does not feel the turbine would harm wildlife or conservation in the area.

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4:34pm Sun 3 Feb 13

johnwill says...

I wonder how many middle class, liberal Poppleton residents wanted renewable/green energy and have now come to face the reality that a wind turbine is a massive structure that blights the countryside, well that's how green energy is produced. What do you want?
I wonder how many middle class, liberal Poppleton residents wanted renewable/green energy and have now come to face the reality that a wind turbine is a massive structure that blights the countryside, well that's how green energy is produced. What do you want? johnwill
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5:12pm Sun 3 Feb 13

bob the builder says...

They'd rather have a nuclear facillity at the seaside. I'd turn off their electric and tell them to generate their own! Why should it always be the other person who has to have the power station, sewage works, rubbish dump etc. There are too many people living on this island, that are unsupported by power and food produced on the same island. Rely on imports and you are always open to high prices, shortages and politics.
They'd rather have a nuclear facillity at the seaside. I'd turn off their electric and tell them to generate their own! Why should it always be the other person who has to have the power station, sewage works, rubbish dump etc. There are too many people living on this island, that are unsupported by power and food produced on the same island. Rely on imports and you are always open to high prices, shortages and politics. bob the builder
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5:15pm Sun 3 Feb 13

zaccwm says...

I would rather see a windmill or hydo-electric plant than a coal, gas or nuclear powered plant. We cannot use so much energy and be NIMBYs, always expecting someone else to have the blight on their landscape. We are lucky to have the national grid but really should be far more self reliant in each community taking energy from renewable sources.
I would rather see a windmill or hydo-electric plant than a coal, gas or nuclear powered plant. We cannot use so much energy and be NIMBYs, always expecting someone else to have the blight on their landscape. We are lucky to have the national grid but really should be far more self reliant in each community taking energy from renewable sources. zaccwm
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5:47pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Hoofarted says...

Upper Poppleton Parish. The same pompous housing estate that oppose Park & Ride to ease traffic congestion in the City. Stick a Levy on their Council Tax if they oppose environmental protection policies.
Upper Poppleton Parish. The same pompous housing estate that oppose Park & Ride to ease traffic congestion in the City. Stick a Levy on their Council Tax if they oppose environmental protection policies. Hoofarted
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6:45pm Sun 3 Feb 13

uriahh says...

Hoofarted wrote:
Upper Poppleton Parish. The same pompous housing estate that oppose Park & Ride to ease traffic congestion in the City. Stick a Levy on their Council Tax if they oppose environmental protection policies.
I don't live in Upper Poppleton or in York, I do believe that Park and Ride Schemes are beneficial and should be encouraged but the Poppleton P&R scheme is located at totally the wrong location.

The location of the proposed Scheme, the inadequate number and length of eastward entry lanes into the proposed A59/Ring Road modified roundabout, the massive number of different crossing and turning trip journeys at the intended Traffic Light scheme at the top of Station Road in Upper Poppleton, together with the inadequate length of the turn right lane off the eastbound A59 into the P&R site will lead to little significant improvement in traffic congestion on the A59 back towards Harrogate; the congestion could even be worse!

This will increase problems for Upper Poppleton residents including not only in exiting Station road but also in frustrated traffic rat running down the back lanes through Upper Poppleton onto the Ring Road.

The P&R site should have been located well to the West on the A59 well away from Station Road and Industrial/Commercia
l Park crossroad.

The proposed Wind Turbine is not simply a blight on the village and far too close to housing creating health and noise problems: it is simply a grossly inefficient and unaffordably expensive engineering system requiring others to provide overall UK power system over-capacity by way of Gas Turbines or other additional base load power generation systems acting as WT standby and extensive new local power transmission lines to connect with the Grid - all works not provided by the WT Supplier but paid for by you and me the taxpayer.

From work by eminent specialists such as Hughes and others, WT's will also not provide any significant UK CO2 emissions reduction - even if it was needed and which will be swamped many times over by the uncontrolled CO2 massively increasing emissions from the Developing World's ever increasing coal fired and other fossil fuelled installed capacity for many years to come. WT's in the UK are totally ineffective in reducing global CO2 emissions.

Finally, the Wind Turbine requires the UK taxpayers to fund subsidies by way of green taxes and increased power prices to make them commercially viable; something that drives up all UK domestic, commercial and industrial costs and drives down our competitiveness at a time when we desperately need an export led boom.

The driving force for such Wind Turbines remains the Suppliers and Landowners and their wish to make money off others - whilst being totally dependent on, and making money directly from, other UK citizens taxes; something that is totally immoral and unsupportable!
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Upper Poppleton Parish. The same pompous housing estate that oppose Park & Ride to ease traffic congestion in the City. Stick a Levy on their Council Tax if they oppose environmental protection policies.[/p][/quote]I don't live in Upper Poppleton or in York, I do believe that Park and Ride Schemes are beneficial and should be encouraged but the Poppleton P&R scheme is located at totally the wrong location. The location of the proposed Scheme, the inadequate number and length of eastward entry lanes into the proposed A59/Ring Road modified roundabout, the massive number of different crossing and turning trip journeys at the intended Traffic Light scheme at the top of Station Road in Upper Poppleton, together with the inadequate length of the turn right lane off the eastbound A59 into the P&R site will lead to little significant improvement in traffic congestion on the A59 back towards Harrogate; the congestion could even be worse! This will increase problems for Upper Poppleton residents including not only in exiting Station road but also in frustrated traffic rat running down the back lanes through Upper Poppleton onto the Ring Road. The P&R site should have been located well to the West on the A59 well away from Station Road and Industrial/Commercia l Park crossroad. The proposed Wind Turbine is not simply a blight on the village and far too close to housing creating health and noise problems: it is simply a grossly inefficient and unaffordably expensive engineering system requiring others to provide overall UK power system over-capacity by way of Gas Turbines or other additional base load power generation systems acting as WT standby and extensive new local power transmission lines to connect with the Grid - all works not provided by the WT Supplier but paid for by you and me the taxpayer. From work by eminent specialists such as Hughes and others, WT's will also not provide any significant UK CO2 emissions reduction - even if it was needed and which will be swamped many times over by the uncontrolled CO2 massively increasing emissions from the Developing World's ever increasing coal fired and other fossil fuelled installed capacity for many years to come. WT's in the UK are totally ineffective in reducing global CO2 emissions. Finally, the Wind Turbine requires the UK taxpayers to fund subsidies by way of green taxes and increased power prices to make them commercially viable; something that drives up all UK domestic, commercial and industrial costs and drives down our competitiveness at a time when we desperately need an export led boom. The driving force for such Wind Turbines remains the Suppliers and Landowners and their wish to make money off others - whilst being totally dependent on, and making money directly from, other UK citizens taxes; something that is totally immoral and unsupportable! uriahh
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7:12pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Sillybillies says...

There are large wind turbines all over the coastal areas of north west France and Belgium without any fuss and rabid nimby-ism. That's probably why we have to buy electricity off them and will continue to do so for ever and a day.
There are large wind turbines all over the coastal areas of north west France and Belgium without any fuss and rabid nimby-ism. That's probably why we have to buy electricity off them and will continue to do so for ever and a day. Sillybillies
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7:20pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Hoofarted says...

@ uriahh. By your own admission, you don't live in York or Upper Poppleton.

If you did, you would understand the importance of all major arteries in and out of York having Park & Rides in place for the eventual ban on traffic into the City during weekdays. All proposals are open to discussion and certain compromises are usually made.

The Turbine objection from the Upper Poppleton Parish council has nothing to do with competitive or taxation issues. It's purely down to elitist snobbery by people who want all the benefits but not in their back yard beliefs.

I'm sure the Upper Poppleton Parish Council meetings had plenty or residents who run Gas Guzzling vehicles and excessive energy use that doesn't bother them in the slightest.
@ uriahh. By your own admission, you don't live in York or Upper Poppleton. If you did, you would understand the importance of all major arteries in and out of York having Park & Rides in place for the eventual ban on traffic into the City during weekdays. All proposals are open to discussion and certain compromises are usually made. The Turbine objection from the Upper Poppleton Parish council has nothing to do with competitive or taxation issues. It's purely down to elitist snobbery by people who want all the benefits but not in their back yard beliefs. I'm sure the Upper Poppleton Parish Council meetings had plenty or residents who run Gas Guzzling vehicles and excessive energy use that doesn't bother them in the slightest. Hoofarted
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7:39pm Sun 3 Feb 13

uriahh says...

Sillybillies wrote:
There are large wind turbines all over the coastal areas of north west France and Belgium without any fuss and rabid nimby-ism. That's probably why we have to buy electricity off them and will continue to do so for ever and a day.
Absolute nonsense! Nothing to do with al that state subsidised Nuclear Power capacity, then?

If the wind doesn't blow in France it very often doesn't blow in the UK, hence the intended Super Grid around western Europe to export power has been quietly dropped. Research has shown that typical winter periods of peak power demand often occur during typical extended periods of no wind over very large areas thus preventing WT's in Europe exporting spare power to the UK and vice versa.

My point entirely commercially and technically based and nothing to do with Nimbyism!
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: There are large wind turbines all over the coastal areas of north west France and Belgium without any fuss and rabid nimby-ism. That's probably why we have to buy electricity off them and will continue to do so for ever and a day.[/p][/quote]Absolute nonsense! Nothing to do with al that state subsidised Nuclear Power capacity, then? If the wind doesn't blow in France it very often doesn't blow in the UK, hence the intended Super Grid around western Europe to export power has been quietly dropped. Research has shown that typical winter periods of peak power demand often occur during typical extended periods of no wind over very large areas thus preventing WT's in Europe exporting spare power to the UK and vice versa. My point entirely commercially and technically based and nothing to do with Nimbyism! uriahh
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7:47pm Sun 3 Feb 13

uriahh says...

Hoofarted wrote:
@ uriahh. By your own admission, you don't live in York or Upper Poppleton.

If you did, you would understand the importance of all major arteries in and out of York having Park & Rides in place for the eventual ban on traffic into the City during weekdays. All proposals are open to discussion and certain compromises are usually made.

The Turbine objection from the Upper Poppleton Parish council has nothing to do with competitive or taxation issues. It's purely down to elitist snobbery by people who want all the benefits but not in their back yard beliefs.

I'm sure the Upper Poppleton Parish Council meetings had plenty or residents who run Gas Guzzling vehicles and excessive energy use that doesn't bother them in the slightest.
I take it you failed GCSE English Comprehension! Please re-read what I wrote slowly and carefully and inwardly digest!

You will note that I agree with P&R schemes. You will also note that I am referring to the general problem of wind turbines, whether there are or are not any Nimby protests!

You disply typical symptoms of leftist indoctrination and spite - not understanding anything about the issues being debated, failing to counter arguments and statements made against your arguments and typically then having to resort to class ridden insults and generalities!
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: @ uriahh. By your own admission, you don't live in York or Upper Poppleton. If you did, you would understand the importance of all major arteries in and out of York having Park & Rides in place for the eventual ban on traffic into the City during weekdays. All proposals are open to discussion and certain compromises are usually made. The Turbine objection from the Upper Poppleton Parish council has nothing to do with competitive or taxation issues. It's purely down to elitist snobbery by people who want all the benefits but not in their back yard beliefs. I'm sure the Upper Poppleton Parish Council meetings had plenty or residents who run Gas Guzzling vehicles and excessive energy use that doesn't bother them in the slightest.[/p][/quote]I take it you failed GCSE English Comprehension! Please re-read what I wrote slowly and carefully and inwardly digest! You will note that I agree with P&R schemes. You will also note that I am referring to the general problem of wind turbines, whether there are or are not any Nimby protests! You disply typical symptoms of leftist indoctrination and spite - not understanding anything about the issues being debated, failing to counter arguments and statements made against your arguments and typically then having to resort to class ridden insults and generalities! uriahh
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9:35pm Sun 3 Feb 13

south bronx red 2 says...

I wonder how long it'll be before its all the fault of those pinko commies in the council is the excuse from the backward ' keep york in the darkages group'.
I wonder how long it'll be before its all the fault of those pinko commies in the council is the excuse from the backward ' keep york in the darkages group'. south bronx red 2
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10:07pm Sun 3 Feb 13

uriahh says...

south bronx red 2 wrote:
I wonder how long it'll be before its all the fault of those pinko commies in the council is the excuse from the backward ' keep york in the darkages group'.
I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make! Are you suggesting people objecting to the Wind Turbine or the Park and Ride scheme, as proposed for Upper Poppleton, are all Luddites, not wishing for any modern technological infrastructure works? If so, that really is evidence of some twisted ideology and outlook!

The P&R solution to York's chronic traffic problems is a viable and practical solution; and possibly the only solution short of bulldozing half of the city to the ground and starting again! The point I have made is not based on any Nimby outlook but on practical and effective engineering considerations: the Upper Poppleton P&R is simply in the wrong location to properly and adequately accommodate the western York Ring Road and A59 in/out traffic.

Wind Turbines are in themselves an engineering abomination, not meeting any of their functional requirements. They do not provide reliable or secure power and don't even save any significant UK CO2 emissions let alone reduce global CO2 emissions, and they are costing us all unnecessary and unaffordable additional money which is simply being passed to landowners and the WT Suppliers and overseas manufacturers, raising all costs, driving down our competitiveness and denying us the ability to pay our way.
[quote][p][bold]south bronx red 2[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long it'll be before its all the fault of those pinko commies in the council is the excuse from the backward ' keep york in the darkages group'.[/p][/quote]I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make! Are you suggesting people objecting to the Wind Turbine or the Park and Ride scheme, as proposed for Upper Poppleton, are all Luddites, not wishing for any modern technological infrastructure works? If so, that really is evidence of some twisted ideology and outlook! The P&R solution to York's chronic traffic problems is a viable and practical solution; and possibly the only solution short of bulldozing half of the city to the ground and starting again! The point I have made is not based on any Nimby outlook but on practical and effective engineering considerations: the Upper Poppleton P&R is simply in the wrong location to properly and adequately accommodate the western York Ring Road and A59 in/out traffic. Wind Turbines are in themselves an engineering abomination, not meeting any of their functional requirements. They do not provide reliable or secure power and don't even save any significant UK CO2 emissions let alone reduce global CO2 emissions, and they are costing us all unnecessary and unaffordable additional money which is simply being passed to landowners and the WT Suppliers and overseas manufacturers, raising all costs, driving down our competitiveness and denying us the ability to pay our way. uriahh
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10:07pm Sun 3 Feb 13

uriahh says...

south bronx red 2 wrote:
I wonder how long it'll be before its all the fault of those pinko commies in the council is the excuse from the backward ' keep york in the darkages group'.
I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make! Are you suggesting people objecting to the Wind Turbine or the Park and Ride scheme, as proposed for Upper Poppleton, are all Luddites, not wishing for any modern technological infrastructure works? If so, that really is evidence of some twisted ideology and outlook!

The P&R solution to York's chronic traffic problems is a viable and practical solution; and possibly the only solution short of bulldozing half of the city to the ground and starting again! The point I have made is not based on any Nimby outlook but on practical and effective engineering considerations: the Upper Poppleton P&R is simply in the wrong location to properly and adequately accommodate the western York Ring Road and A59 in/out traffic.

Wind Turbines are in themselves an engineering abomination, not meeting any of their functional requirements. They do not provide reliable or secure power and don't even save any significant UK CO2 emissions let alone reduce global CO2 emissions, and they are costing us all unnecessary and unaffordable additional money which is simply being passed to landowners and the WT Suppliers and overseas manufacturers, raising all costs, driving down our competitiveness and denying us the ability to pay our way.
[quote][p][bold]south bronx red 2[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long it'll be before its all the fault of those pinko commies in the council is the excuse from the backward ' keep york in the darkages group'.[/p][/quote]I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make! Are you suggesting people objecting to the Wind Turbine or the Park and Ride scheme, as proposed for Upper Poppleton, are all Luddites, not wishing for any modern technological infrastructure works? If so, that really is evidence of some twisted ideology and outlook! The P&R solution to York's chronic traffic problems is a viable and practical solution; and possibly the only solution short of bulldozing half of the city to the ground and starting again! The point I have made is not based on any Nimby outlook but on practical and effective engineering considerations: the Upper Poppleton P&R is simply in the wrong location to properly and adequately accommodate the western York Ring Road and A59 in/out traffic. Wind Turbines are in themselves an engineering abomination, not meeting any of their functional requirements. They do not provide reliable or secure power and don't even save any significant UK CO2 emissions let alone reduce global CO2 emissions, and they are costing us all unnecessary and unaffordable additional money which is simply being passed to landowners and the WT Suppliers and overseas manufacturers, raising all costs, driving down our competitiveness and denying us the ability to pay our way. uriahh
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11:04pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Hoofarted says...

I wonder why people who claim to not live in York want to comment on a York website about York issues?

Greedy selfish people with over excessive use of energy are just that. It's not leftist or rightist or middle of the roadist. It's an age old problem that always rears it's ugly head.

Urriah clearly lives in Poppleton and doesnt want their precious pompous village to be part of the renewable clean energy symptom.

Tough !
I wonder why people who claim to not live in York want to comment on a York website about York issues? Greedy selfish people with over excessive use of energy are just that. It's not leftist or rightist or middle of the roadist. It's an age old problem that always rears it's ugly head. Urriah clearly lives in Poppleton and doesnt want their precious pompous village to be part of the renewable clean energy symptom. Tough ! Hoofarted
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2:43am Mon 4 Feb 13

York1900 says...

The way things are going we all are going to be looking at how we can make our own energy just to keep energy bills down
The way things are going we all are going to be looking at how we can make our own energy just to keep energy bills down York1900
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9:04am Mon 4 Feb 13

powerwatt says...

Ask any member of the IET why there shouldn't be onshore windfarm anywhere let alone in York and they will explain they are pointless and they are the reason why your electricity bills will keep on going up and up and up.

The other reason why someone would say the Vale of York is not the place, as if someone had a bit of gumption they would know the vale of York weather system is rather unique due to the Wolds, Pennines and NY Moors. Meaning that a wind turbine would not be of much benefit. They could just ask to see the data from all the trials that have happened in the area and found that it would be pointless.

Minor details though.
Ask any member of the IET why there shouldn't be onshore windfarm anywhere let alone in York and they will explain they are pointless and they are the reason why your electricity bills will keep on going up and up and up. The other reason why someone would say the Vale of York is not the place, as if someone had a bit of gumption they would know the vale of York weather system is rather unique due to the Wolds, Pennines and NY Moors. Meaning that a wind turbine would not be of much benefit. They could just ask to see the data from all the trials that have happened in the area and found that it would be pointless. Minor details though. powerwatt
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9:06am Mon 4 Feb 13

powerwatt says...

Also on the note of France. They are struggling for supply, when the 2 latest reactors go offline there will be significantly more blackouts than there currently is (Which is a lot).

You also have to factor in that most of French supplies are 30A, so not as much power to each property.
Also on the note of France. They are struggling for supply, when the 2 latest reactors go offline there will be significantly more blackouts than there currently is (Which is a lot). You also have to factor in that most of French supplies are 30A, so not as much power to each property. powerwatt
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9:38am Mon 4 Feb 13

uriahh says...

Hoofarted wrote:
I wonder why people who claim to not live in York want to comment on a York website about York issues?

Greedy selfish people with over excessive use of energy are just that. It's not leftist or rightist or middle of the roadist. It's an age old problem that always rears it's ugly head.

Urriah clearly lives in Poppleton and doesnt want their precious pompous village to be part of the renewable clean energy symptom.

Tough !
Wrong on all counts!

Yet again the response of someone incapable of entering into a proper reasoned debate ad having to stoop to insults to hide his deficiencies!

Please, also, don't confuse what I believe in: namely efficient use of energy and the need for efficient equipment and systems with the hysterical unreasoned Greenist ideology and preaching, or attempt by implication to sustain one one Huhne's many lies that Wind Turbines will save energy and reduce electricity bills. WT's with their necessary GT standbys are an inefficient system wasting energy and Mackay has already corrected Huhne's "misinterpretation" of the section of his Report regarding energy savings. The savings Mackay reported and recommended are due to less energy use and more efficient engineering systems using less energy, i.e. they apply to all power generation systems and not just Wind Farms. This means the far more expensive Wind Farms with these general cost savings will save far less than far cheaper Gas Turbines with the same general cost savings!
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: I wonder why people who claim to not live in York want to comment on a York website about York issues? Greedy selfish people with over excessive use of energy are just that. It's not leftist or rightist or middle of the roadist. It's an age old problem that always rears it's ugly head. Urriah clearly lives in Poppleton and doesnt want their precious pompous village to be part of the renewable clean energy symptom. Tough ![/p][/quote]Wrong on all counts! Yet again the response of someone incapable of entering into a proper reasoned debate ad having to stoop to insults to hide his deficiencies! Please, also, don't confuse what I believe in: namely efficient use of energy and the need for efficient equipment and systems with the hysterical unreasoned Greenist ideology and preaching, or attempt by implication to sustain one one Huhne's many lies that Wind Turbines will save energy and reduce electricity bills. WT's with their necessary GT standbys are an inefficient system wasting energy and Mackay has already corrected Huhne's "misinterpretation" of the section of his Report regarding energy savings. The savings Mackay reported and recommended are due to less energy use and more efficient engineering systems using less energy, i.e. they apply to all power generation systems and not just Wind Farms. This means the far more expensive Wind Farms with these general cost savings will save far less than far cheaper Gas Turbines with the same general cost savings! uriahh
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11:55am Mon 4 Feb 13

Sillybillies says...

Hoofarted wrote:
I wonder why people who claim to not live in York want to comment on a York website about York issues?

Very simple, uriahh & his kind trawl the web for any mention of their particular obsessions so they can troll any forums that bring them up.
[quote]Hoofarted wrote: I wonder why people who claim to not live in York want to comment on a York website about York issues?[/quote] Very simple, uriahh & his kind trawl the web for any mention of their particular obsessions so they can troll any forums that bring them up. Sillybillies
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12:47pm Mon 4 Feb 13

TheTruthHurts says...

Well I live in Nether poppleton and had a letter put through my letter box asking me to object to this. I declined to object as in real terms, where i am i wont be able to see it or hear so i couldnt care less.
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Although i had heard that the farmer who wants to put this up gets £250000 towards the cost of the turbine plus all his electricity with some to sell back to the grid... this may or may not be correct its village gossip afterall
Well I live in Nether poppleton and had a letter put through my letter box asking me to object to this. I declined to object as in real terms, where i am i wont be able to see it or hear so i couldnt care less. ' Although i had heard that the farmer who wants to put this up gets £250000 towards the cost of the turbine plus all his electricity with some to sell back to the grid... this may or may not be correct its village gossip afterall TheTruthHurts
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6:48pm Mon 4 Feb 13

uriahh says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Hoofarted wrote:
I wonder why people who claim to not live in York want to comment on a York website about York issues?

Very simple, uriahh & his kind trawl the web for any mention of their particular obsessions so they can troll any forums that bring them up.
You have to admire your persistence: like some dog mess on the sole of your shoe you are very difficult to shake off!

However, you still persist with insults and generalities in lieu of any evidence or credible explanation for your points of view - whether as a result of indoctrination or simply frustration and despair in not getting others to share your views, I leave others to judge!

As to the details of your latest diatribe, I answer quite simply:

I don't trawl the web to find supportive evidence, I access professional papers and articles and I utilise my past experience. Neither do I have an obsession, only very extensive experience and skill in objective appraisal of major engineering projects designs, construction, commissioning and project management as well as technical/commercial troubleshooting in 4 continents over the last 40-50 years.

It's a pity that reporters don't seek the many people such as myself with similar backgrounds to get the true record and facts related to this subject properly aired publicly to assist in stopping the waste of our money and the ongoing infrastructure deficiencies and problems which stunt our national performance and competitiveness!
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]Hoofarted wrote: I wonder why people who claim to not live in York want to comment on a York website about York issues?[/quote] Very simple, uriahh & his kind trawl the web for any mention of their particular obsessions so they can troll any forums that bring them up.[/p][/quote]You have to admire your persistence: like some dog mess on the sole of your shoe you are very difficult to shake off! However, you still persist with insults and generalities in lieu of any evidence or credible explanation for your points of view - whether as a result of indoctrination or simply frustration and despair in not getting others to share your views, I leave others to judge! As to the details of your latest diatribe, I answer quite simply: I don't trawl the web to find supportive evidence, I access professional papers and articles and I utilise my past experience. Neither do I have an obsession, only very extensive experience and skill in objective appraisal of major engineering projects designs, construction, commissioning and project management as well as technical/commercial troubleshooting in 4 continents over the last 40-50 years. It's a pity that reporters don't seek the many people such as myself with similar backgrounds to get the true record and facts related to this subject properly aired publicly to assist in stopping the waste of our money and the ongoing infrastructure deficiencies and problems which stunt our national performance and competitiveness! uriahh
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12:58am Tue 5 Feb 13

Magicman! says...

Why isn't money being put towards development of Tesla Generators instead of turbines...?
Why isn't money being put towards development of Tesla Generators instead of turbines...? Magicman!
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2:51pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Sillybillies says...

As to the details of your latest diatribe, I answer quite simply:
I don't trawl the web to find supportive evidence ....

I didn't write that, I wrote - "Very simple, uriahh & his kind trawl the web for any mention of their particular obsessions so they can troll any forums that bring them up", which is what you are doing.
[quote]As to the details of your latest diatribe, I answer quite simply: I don't trawl the web to find supportive evidence ....[/quote] I didn't write that, I wrote - "Very simple, uriahh & his kind trawl the web for any mention of their particular obsessions so they can troll any forums that bring them up", which is what you are doing. Sillybillies
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3:54pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Hoofarted says...

@ Uriahh The insults began from your own Diatribe.

The first response from you stated "I take it you failed GCSE English Comprehension!"

Followed by " You disply typical symptoms of leftist indoctrination and spite "

Rounded up with " You have to admire your persistence: like some dog mess on the sole of your shoe you are very difficult to shake off! "

Clearly the insults your generating could help power the Turbine that will be passed in Poppleton.
@ Uriahh The insults began from your own Diatribe. The first response from you stated "I take it you failed GCSE English Comprehension!" Followed by " You disply typical symptoms of leftist indoctrination and spite " Rounded up with " You have to admire your persistence: like some dog mess on the sole of your shoe you are very difficult to shake off! " Clearly the insults your generating could help power the Turbine that will be passed in Poppleton. Hoofarted
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4:23pm Tue 5 Feb 13

uriahh says...

Your grammar is not up to it either! It's "insults you're generating" not "your generating!"

The points i raised were not insults but reasonable assessments of your inability to understand what is being written; failing any meaningful inputs from you, what is then likely to be making you want to continue to "contribute" in that same way; and finally, an illustration of how similar such continuing and annoying inputs are perceived!

I also still await some adequate and adult inputs from you to illustrate and demonstrate, let alone substantiate, your point of view!
Your grammar is not up to it either! It's "insults you're generating" not "your generating!" The points i raised were not insults but reasonable assessments of your inability to understand what is being written; failing any meaningful inputs from you, what is then likely to be making you want to continue to "contribute" in that same way; and finally, an illustration of how similar such continuing and annoying inputs are perceived! I also still await some adequate and adult inputs from you to illustrate and demonstrate, let alone substantiate, your point of view! uriahh
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4:23pm Tue 5 Feb 13

uriahh says...

Your grammar is not up to it either! It's "insults you're generating" not "your generating!"

The points i raised were not insults but reasonable assessments of your inability to understand what is being written; failing any meaningful inputs from you, what is then likely to be making you want to continue to "contribute" in that same way; and finally, an illustration of how similar such continuing and annoying inputs are perceived!

I also still await some adequate and adult inputs from you to illustrate and demonstrate, let alone substantiate, your point of view!
Your grammar is not up to it either! It's "insults you're generating" not "your generating!" The points i raised were not insults but reasonable assessments of your inability to understand what is being written; failing any meaningful inputs from you, what is then likely to be making you want to continue to "contribute" in that same way; and finally, an illustration of how similar such continuing and annoying inputs are perceived! I also still await some adequate and adult inputs from you to illustrate and demonstrate, let alone substantiate, your point of view! uriahh
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5:03pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Sillybillies says...

I think he's nuts to be honest, never mind obsessed.
I think he's nuts to be honest, never mind obsessed. Sillybillies
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