Pothole repairs fall below standard as budget cuts start to bite

York Press: Politicians have clashed over the standard of repairs to potholes Politicians have clashed over the standard of repairs to potholes

QUICK fixes and below-par repairs are being carried out on York roads after problems spiralled, council bosses have admitted.

City of York Council says the number of defects has left workers too stretched to mend them to the normal standard, forcing them to improvise.

The news emerged as council leader James Alexander warned many local authorities faced bankruptcy and said York was fighting to avoid such a crisis.

The authority cut £385,000 from road repair budgets this year and another £185,000 cut is planned for 2013/14, with £500,000 a year less than originally intended for resurfacing and reconstruction.

The Liberal Democrat group said these cuts – also criticised by a road safety organisation – were now “beginning to bite” after warnings were ignored.

The Press has seen email correspondence from the council’s highways infrastructure department in which officials say workers were left with no choice but to carry out temporary repairs over Christmas and New Year because tarmac plants were closed.

The department said pothole repairs were currently not being done to the normal standards because of “the large number of defects” across the city, but this would change once problems fell to a “manageable” level.

Lib Dem councillor Nigel Ayre highlighted a pothole in his Heworth Without ward which was recently fixed twice but crumbled again within days.

He said: “The lack of regular maintenance has led to a rapid deterioration in the state of the city’s roads.

“The number of defects which has accumulated is now so large that repairs are having to be carried out to inferior standards just to cope with the workload. It’s also unclear when the council will be able to revert to the usual standard. Repairing the same problem over and over is costing the city dearly, when it cannot afford it.”

Lib Dem group leader Coun Carol Runciman said road budget cuts were “typical of Labour’s short-sighted nature”.

Neil Greig, the Institute of Advanced Motorists’ director of policy and research, said recent cold weather had exacerbated “the poor state of our roads” and temporary repairs were “just a sticking plaster”.

“Simply working smarter is not enough, and by cutting budgets now, York is storing up higher bills for future council taxpayers,” he said.

Coun David Levene, cabinet member for environmental services, said Labour was “managing services responsibly” and the Lib Dems were “opportunistically distorting the truth” over road repairs.

He said: “They should be ashamed of themselves. The council is committed to acting responsively to problems when they arise. In this case, due to our regular contractors being unavailable at Christmas, a temporary solution was found.”

Roger Ranson, assistant director of city and environmental services, said all roads were regularly inspected and maintained to ensure they were safe and in good condition, and “emergency pothole repairs” were done in Heworth over Christmas and New Year.

“In situations like this, it’s standard practice to use approved cold lay materials,” he said.

“We follow national guidelines for the repair of potholes and try to respond as quickly as possible if we are alerted to a problem.”

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11:09am Wed 30 Jan 13

BL2 says...

I do love hearing the LibDums having a go over things that they did in the first place (not repair roads properly)!
I do love hearing the LibDums having a go over things that they did in the first place (not repair roads properly)! BL2
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11:13am Wed 30 Jan 13

Bigwood says...

How about fixing the hole approximately 4 inches deep at the Lawrence Street/Foss Islands junction. Its a death trap for a motorcyclist or cyclist and could do a fair bit of damage to any vehicle.
How about fixing the hole approximately 4 inches deep at the Lawrence Street/Foss Islands junction. Its a death trap for a motorcyclist or cyclist and could do a fair bit of damage to any vehicle. Bigwood
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11:21am Wed 30 Jan 13

yorkborn66 says...

Seen the council turn up numerous of times with their big wagon and a JCB .
One worker pours out cold tar from a bag and gives it a shovel finish.
It’s like using a sledge hammer to hammer in a small nail.
Within days the hole is there again.
The roads are a complete disgrace and a danger to road users.
If the money is not available to the council, I find it hard to criticize them.
IF our Government stopped spending money on wars (conflicts), now aiding the French.
And sending millions of pounds abroad, then maybe councils would receive adequate funding.
Seen the council turn up numerous of times with their big wagon and a JCB . One worker pours out cold tar from a bag and gives it a shovel finish. It’s like using a sledge hammer to hammer in a small nail. Within days the hole is there again. The roads are a complete disgrace and a danger to road users. If the money is not available to the council, I find it hard to criticize them. IF our Government stopped spending money on wars (conflicts), now aiding the French. And sending millions of pounds abroad, then maybe councils would receive adequate funding. yorkborn66
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12:16pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Hes123 says...

Would be interested to see how the council would react if they were faced with large repair bills from drivers who's vehicles had been damaged by sub standard repairs to potholes. A tip for the council would be to do the job properly first time so they don;t have to repeat it (Tranby Avanue resurfacing springs to mind!)
Would be interested to see how the council would react if they were faced with large repair bills from drivers who's vehicles had been damaged by sub standard repairs to potholes. A tip for the council would be to do the job properly first time so they don;t have to repeat it (Tranby Avanue resurfacing springs to mind!) Hes123
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12:18pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Little point in trying to fix them during all this mixed up weather. CoYC should draw a day-glo circle around them and put signs up telling road-users to put up with them until it's realistic to fix them.

Then, in later spring, it should fix them all properly.
Little point in trying to fix them during all this mixed up weather. CoYC should draw a day-glo circle around them and put signs up telling road-users to put up with them until it's realistic to fix them. Then, in later spring, it should fix them all properly. Ignatius Lumpopo
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12:26pm Wed 30 Jan 13

roskoboskovic says...

ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.
ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick. roskoboskovic
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12:34pm Wed 30 Jan 13

JHardacre says...

I wonder what their contingency budget is to handle the claims from accidents caused by the atrocious road conditions?

I'll wager that it's probably less than their budget for legal expenses fighting such claims.
I wonder what their contingency budget is to handle the claims from accidents caused by the atrocious road conditions? I'll wager that it's probably less than their budget for legal expenses fighting such claims. JHardacre
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12:34pm Wed 30 Jan 13

JHardacre says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
Little point in trying to fix them during all this mixed up weather. CoYC should draw a day-glo circle around them and put signs up telling road-users to put up with them until it's realistic to fix them.

Then, in later spring, it should fix them all properly.
Here Here!!
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: Little point in trying to fix them during all this mixed up weather. CoYC should draw a day-glo circle around them and put signs up telling road-users to put up with them until it's realistic to fix them. Then, in later spring, it should fix them all properly.[/p][/quote]Here Here!! JHardacre
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12:40pm Wed 30 Jan 13

BertieBrompton says...

How do I claim for damages to my car due to poor road surfaces?
How do I claim for damages to my car due to poor road surfaces? BertieBrompton
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12:40pm Wed 30 Jan 13

BertieBrompton says...

How do I claim for damages to my car due to poor road surfaces?
How do I claim for damages to my car due to poor road surfaces? BertieBrompton
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12:41pm Wed 30 Jan 13

bob the builder says...

What do you expect in a third world country! While people and businesses avoid taxes, and there are so many people claiming benefits there will never be the money for roads, hospitals and schools.
What do you expect in a third world country! While people and businesses avoid taxes, and there are so many people claiming benefits there will never be the money for roads, hospitals and schools. bob the builder
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12:46pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Jam tomorrow says...

Is this rutted-roads problem the real reason for the "20 mph" blanket restriction proposed in York?
Is this rutted-roads problem the real reason for the "20 mph" blanket restriction proposed in York? Jam tomorrow
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12:50pm Wed 30 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Very soon our local roads will be suitable for the likes of Land Rovers only.
The ideal solution is resurfacing but as a minimum the pot holes need to be repaired properly and promptly. Repair to a poor standard and you will end up with the same problem soon after, not cost effective at all.
I found it rather strange that the Council claim to be fighting bankruptcy while not that long since suggesting Councillors allowances be hugely increased. What planet are they on?
The business of the local authority is to serve the public. As far as road condition and clearing footpaths during icy weather they have failed the public on the most basic safety standards.
Very soon our local roads will be suitable for the likes of Land Rovers only. The ideal solution is resurfacing but as a minimum the pot holes need to be repaired properly and promptly. Repair to a poor standard and you will end up with the same problem soon after, not cost effective at all. I found it rather strange that the Council claim to be fighting bankruptcy while not that long since suggesting Councillors allowances be hugely increased. What planet are they on? The business of the local authority is to serve the public. As far as road condition and clearing footpaths during icy weather they have failed the public on the most basic safety standards. ColdAsChristmas
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1:05pm Wed 30 Jan 13

soprano 2 says...

It is a false economy to make a sub-standard repair - it will only have to be done again!
It is a false economy to make a sub-standard repair - it will only have to be done again! soprano 2
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2:14pm Wed 30 Jan 13

DEKKA says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.
have you ever cycled in york?..if you did you would see that the cycle lanes are just as bad as the roads.
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.[/p][/quote]have you ever cycled in york?..if you did you would see that the cycle lanes are just as bad as the roads. DEKKA
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2:31pm Wed 30 Jan 13

uriahh says...

Don't these idiots have any understanding of the real cost and operational benefits of a proper programme of a Preventative Maintenance on our roads.

Delayed repairs and lack of ongoing inspection and repair of minor defects as and when they occur save money in the longer term. Any failure to do this leads to escalating impact damage from traffic enlarging any defect which will lead to an escalation of more water penetration under the road surface and foundation softening and further collapse of the road surface around the defect, ultimately exascerbated by frost damage and even larger and more defcts requiring repairs. i

"Cheap" low standard repairs after significant potholes have occured in will only lead to more damage which in turn will lead to even higher bills in the near future compared with repairs being carried out properly in the first place! In addition the likely compensation payments to motorists' insurers for tyre and suspension damage and even exhaust damage will become quite significant.
Don't these idiots have any understanding of the real cost and operational benefits of a proper programme of a Preventative Maintenance on our roads. Delayed repairs and lack of ongoing inspection and repair of minor defects as and when they occur save money in the longer term. Any failure to do this leads to escalating impact damage from traffic enlarging any defect which will lead to an escalation of more water penetration under the road surface and foundation softening and further collapse of the road surface around the defect, ultimately exascerbated by frost damage and even larger and more defcts requiring repairs. i "Cheap" low standard repairs after significant potholes have occured in will only lead to more damage which in turn will lead to even higher bills in the near future compared with repairs being carried out properly in the first place! In addition the likely compensation payments to motorists' insurers for tyre and suspension damage and even exhaust damage will become quite significant. uriahh
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3:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Garrowby Turnoff says...

BertieBrompton wrote:
How do I claim for damages to my car due to poor road surfaces?
Try this website...

http://www.potholes.
co.uk/claims/how_to_
claim
[quote][p][bold]BertieBrompton[/bold] wrote: How do I claim for damages to my car due to poor road surfaces?[/p][/quote]Try this website... http://www.potholes. co.uk/claims/how_to_ claim Garrowby Turnoff
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3:25pm Wed 30 Jan 13

ReginaldBiscuit says...

Maybe the unemployed could be used to fill the holes. Get a recruitment agency to do their usual 'Lies-Pies' on it and hey presto....

"Fantastic opportunity to be an integral part of the infrastructure (literally) of York.

Working with a highly prestigious (if you're a rotted cadaver), forward-looking (the arrow of time only goes one way) and dynamic IT focussed (they own a Blackberry) company.

Must possess strong customer facing skills (unless you lie face down in the pothole) and be enthusiastic about your work (you're a pothole, smile).

(Poverty) Salary: Just about enough to buy a bowl of rice whilst those above you drink champagne and suck off your inheritance whilst eating any living relatives you may have left."

If the tories could do this, THEY WOULD.
Maybe the unemployed could be used to fill the holes. Get a recruitment agency to do their usual 'Lies-Pies' on it and hey presto.... "Fantastic opportunity to be an integral part of the infrastructure (literally) of York. Working with a highly prestigious (if you're a rotted cadaver), forward-looking (the arrow of time only goes one way) and dynamic IT focussed (they own a Blackberry) company. Must possess strong customer facing skills (unless you lie face down in the pothole) and be enthusiastic about your work (you're a pothole, smile). (Poverty) Salary: Just about enough to buy a bowl of rice whilst those above you drink champagne and suck off your inheritance whilst eating any living relatives you may have left." If the tories could do this, THEY WOULD. ReginaldBiscuit
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3:38pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Viper_7 says...

soprano 2 wrote:
It is a false economy to make a sub-standard repair - it will only have to be done again!
Indeed, do the job properly once and have it last.

Surely spending a little more time on the repair is less time consuming and uses less resources then sending the teams out several times over. The repairers spend more time travelling about than actually repairing.
Also, give them some flexibility, if they repair a pothole on their schedule and there is another one 10 feet away- pigging fix that too! Really need to deal with this problem smartly.
[quote][p][bold]soprano 2[/bold] wrote: It is a false economy to make a sub-standard repair - it will only have to be done again![/p][/quote]Indeed, do the job properly once and have it last. Surely spending a little more time on the repair is less time consuming and uses less resources then sending the teams out several times over. The repairers spend more time travelling about than actually repairing. Also, give them some flexibility, if they repair a pothole on their schedule and there is another one 10 feet away- pigging fix that too! Really need to deal with this problem smartly. Viper_7
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3:46pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Capt. Dobie says...

Reg Bisc sez:
"If the tories could do this, THEY WOULD."

Really? Just the Tories? Oh doi be brief Reg...

Blair did alright didn't he..? He was purrrfect wasn't he...the same PM Blair who said 'oh God, not the soldiers wives as well? It's bad enough dealing with them...' when visiting Aldershot in the late 90s.

And Good Old Gordon Clown floggin' off our entire gold reserves for a pie and chips take out...then miring us and our children in debt for the next 50 yrs by getting loans left, right & centre to hand out to whoever. If you remember when CamClegg took over, the bloke who departed the treasury left a scribbled note saying 'it's all gone, there is nothing left.' on the Sec of States desk...short memory Reg?

Labour are far, far, far from perfect. Don't bash the tories because your parents did, bash the bloke making the decisions...

The country my friend, is skint.

BTW, anybody else thinks that Miliband looks 'Pit the Younger' from Blackadder III or one of the 'Banking Clan' from Start Wars Episode III?
Reg Bisc sez: "If the tories could do this, THEY WOULD." Really? Just the Tories? Oh doi be brief Reg... Blair did alright didn't he..? He was purrrfect wasn't he...the same PM Blair who said 'oh God, not the soldiers wives as well? It's bad enough dealing with them...' when visiting Aldershot in the late 90s. And Good Old Gordon Clown floggin' off our entire gold reserves for a pie and chips take out...then miring us and our children in debt for the next 50 yrs by getting loans left, right & centre to hand out to whoever. If you remember when CamClegg took over, the bloke who departed the treasury left a scribbled note saying 'it's all gone, there is nothing left.' on the Sec of States desk...short memory Reg? Labour are far, far, far from perfect. Don't bash the tories because your parents did, bash the bloke making the decisions... The country my friend, is skint. BTW, anybody else thinks that Miliband looks 'Pit the Younger' from Blackadder III or one of the 'Banking Clan' from Start Wars Episode III? Capt. Dobie
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4:40pm Wed 30 Jan 13

ReginaldBiscuit says...

Capt. Dobie wrote:
Reg Bisc sez:
"If the tories could do this, THEY WOULD."

Really? Just the Tories? Oh doi be brief Reg...

Blair did alright didn't he..? He was purrrfect wasn't he...the same PM Blair who said 'oh God, not the soldiers wives as well? It's bad enough dealing with them...' when visiting Aldershot in the late 90s.

And Good Old Gordon Clown floggin' off our entire gold reserves for a pie and chips take out...then miring us and our children in debt for the next 50 yrs by getting loans left, right & centre to hand out to whoever. If you remember when CamClegg took over, the bloke who departed the treasury left a scribbled note saying 'it's all gone, there is nothing left.' on the Sec of States desk...short memory Reg?

Labour are far, far, far from perfect. Don't bash the tories because your parents did, bash the bloke making the decisions...

The country my friend, is skint.

BTW, anybody else thinks that Miliband looks 'Pit the Younger' from Blackadder III or one of the 'Banking Clan' from Start Wars Episode III?
A sensible redaction. Substitute Tory for government as I agree with what you say. Politicians. Quivering mounds of love pudding, the lot of them.
[quote][p][bold]Capt. Dobie[/bold] wrote: Reg Bisc sez: "If the tories could do this, THEY WOULD." Really? Just the Tories? Oh doi be brief Reg... Blair did alright didn't he..? He was purrrfect wasn't he...the same PM Blair who said 'oh God, not the soldiers wives as well? It's bad enough dealing with them...' when visiting Aldershot in the late 90s. And Good Old Gordon Clown floggin' off our entire gold reserves for a pie and chips take out...then miring us and our children in debt for the next 50 yrs by getting loans left, right & centre to hand out to whoever. If you remember when CamClegg took over, the bloke who departed the treasury left a scribbled note saying 'it's all gone, there is nothing left.' on the Sec of States desk...short memory Reg? Labour are far, far, far from perfect. Don't bash the tories because your parents did, bash the bloke making the decisions... The country my friend, is skint. BTW, anybody else thinks that Miliband looks 'Pit the Younger' from Blackadder III or one of the 'Banking Clan' from Start Wars Episode III?[/p][/quote]A sensible redaction. Substitute Tory for government as I agree with what you say. Politicians. Quivering mounds of love pudding, the lot of them. ReginaldBiscuit
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4:59pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Mulgrave says...

We had about a dozen years from the mid 90's when we didn't really have 'winters' but after five proper ones in a row it may be safe to assume they are back to stay and if this is not planned and budgeted for another five years will bring about the total disintegration of any road that hasn't been properly relaid in recent years.

It is all very well CYC becoming such a great patron of the arts ( theatre revamp, Arts Barge grants ) but the basics, safe roads etc seem to be the price.

It may even be time to limit CYCs remit to the basics and spin everything else off into a separate entity that has to sing for its supper to fund non essential projects and services.
We had about a dozen years from the mid 90's when we didn't really have 'winters' but after five proper ones in a row it may be safe to assume they are back to stay and if this is not planned and budgeted for another five years will bring about the total disintegration of any road that hasn't been properly relaid in recent years. It is all very well CYC becoming such a great patron of the arts ( theatre revamp, Arts Barge grants ) but the basics, safe roads etc seem to be the price. It may even be time to limit CYCs remit to the basics and spin everything else off into a separate entity that has to sing for its supper to fund non essential projects and services. Mulgrave
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5:11pm Wed 30 Jan 13

big boy york says...

if they cant afford to do the pot holes how about a bit of dosh to be spent on clearing all the fekking dog sh&t up thats all over the paths since the snow
if they cant afford to do the pot holes how about a bit of dosh to be spent on clearing all the fekking dog sh&t up thats all over the paths since the snow big boy york
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5:17pm Wed 30 Jan 13

PKH says...

Don't you just love the LibDems, when they were in charge in York they always complained they did not get enough money from central government whilst Labour were in power, the coalition government of which their party is part of have cut the money York Council gets, yet they expect it not to have any consequences.
Don't you just love the LibDems, when they were in charge in York they always complained they did not get enough money from central government whilst Labour were in power, the coalition government of which their party is part of have cut the money York Council gets, yet they expect it not to have any consequences. PKH
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5:56pm Wed 30 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Gordon Brown didn't sell off our entire gold reserves Captain but he did sell off more than half, which was criminal enough.
Some of the raised cash went into Euros which are down against the £ while the value of gold has escalated.
Not flash, Gordon, no wonder you did a runner. (Where is he now?)
Incidentally, the A59 all the way to Harrogate is in a shocking state.
If it is a question of cash then how about these Japanese hybrids paying some VED?
Gordon Brown didn't sell off our entire gold reserves Captain but he did sell off more than half, which was criminal enough. Some of the raised cash went into Euros which are down against the £ while the value of gold has escalated. Not flash, Gordon, no wonder you did a runner. (Where is he now?) Incidentally, the A59 all the way to Harrogate is in a shocking state. If it is a question of cash then how about these Japanese hybrids paying some VED? ColdAsChristmas
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6:18pm Wed 30 Jan 13

nick clogg says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Gordon Brown didn't sell off our entire gold reserves Captain but he did sell off more than half, which was criminal enough.
Some of the raised cash went into Euros which are down against the £ while the value of gold has escalated.
Not flash, Gordon, no wonder you did a runner. (Where is he now?)
Incidentally, the A59 all the way to Harrogate is in a shocking state.
If it is a question of cash then how about these Japanese hybrids paying some VED?
at the lowest value of gold, Gordon Brown created the recession
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Gordon Brown didn't sell off our entire gold reserves Captain but he did sell off more than half, which was criminal enough. Some of the raised cash went into Euros which are down against the £ while the value of gold has escalated. Not flash, Gordon, no wonder you did a runner. (Where is he now?) Incidentally, the A59 all the way to Harrogate is in a shocking state. If it is a question of cash then how about these Japanese hybrids paying some VED?[/p][/quote]at the lowest value of gold, Gordon Brown created the recession nick clogg
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6:19pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Mulgrave says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Gordon Brown didn't sell off our entire gold reserves Captain but he did sell off more than half, which was criminal enough.
Some of the raised cash went into Euros which are down against the £ while the value of gold has escalated.
Not flash, Gordon, no wonder you did a runner. (Where is he now?)
Incidentally, the A59 all the way to Harrogate is in a shocking state.
If it is a question of cash then how about these Japanese hybrids paying some VED?
Good point about the VED, I remember paying about £40 a year in 1976 for a 1litre Vauxhall Viva, I bought a new Mazda RX8 a few years ago and VED has gone from £210 to nearly 500 quid a year, I wouldn't mind if it went on the roads but it is just giving others a free ride, you don't even need a hybrid to be paying nothing or just £20 a year.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Gordon Brown didn't sell off our entire gold reserves Captain but he did sell off more than half, which was criminal enough. Some of the raised cash went into Euros which are down against the £ while the value of gold has escalated. Not flash, Gordon, no wonder you did a runner. (Where is he now?) Incidentally, the A59 all the way to Harrogate is in a shocking state. If it is a question of cash then how about these Japanese hybrids paying some VED?[/p][/quote]Good point about the VED, I remember paying about £40 a year in 1976 for a 1litre Vauxhall Viva, I bought a new Mazda RX8 a few years ago and VED has gone from £210 to nearly 500 quid a year, I wouldn't mind if it went on the roads but it is just giving others a free ride, you don't even need a hybrid to be paying nothing or just £20 a year. Mulgrave
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6:46pm Wed 30 Jan 13

pedalling paul says...

A national pothole reporting system for cyclists is at
www.fillthathole.org
.uk/
A national pothole reporting system for cyclists is at www.fillthathole.org .uk/ pedalling paul
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7:44pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Whistler2 says...

Over the years, observing the filling in of road works around the city, I have noticed that the edges of the repairs are seldom, if ever, sealed. This allows water into the crack, which then freezes, expands, and another pot-hole is created! I took the risk of mentioning this to one of the chaps on one occasion,and, rather than bite my head off, he said that the sealing fluid caused a very smooth finish which could cause a slipping surface in wet conditions.
I feel, however, that it should be possible to seal these edges without the fluid spilling over to create a slipping surface, and thus limit the number of repeat repairs.
Over the years, observing the filling in of road works around the city, I have noticed that the edges of the repairs are seldom, if ever, sealed. This allows water into the crack, which then freezes, expands, and another pot-hole is created! I took the risk of mentioning this to one of the chaps on one occasion,and, rather than bite my head off, he said that the sealing fluid caused a very smooth finish which could cause a slipping surface in wet conditions. I feel, however, that it should be possible to seal these edges without the fluid spilling over to create a slipping surface, and thus limit the number of repeat repairs. Whistler2
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7:52pm Wed 30 Jan 13

spottycow says...

Take a photo of pothole and damage to vehicle or bike and send to local council or county council and if no joy take them to small claims county court . and sue i did and they paid out ASAP.
Take a photo of pothole and damage to vehicle or bike and send to local council or county council and if no joy take them to small claims county court . and sue i did and they paid out ASAP. spottycow
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8:14pm Wed 30 Jan 13

fear your government says...

spottycow wrote:
Take a photo of pothole and damage to vehicle or bike and send to local council or county council and if no joy take them to small claims county court . and sue i did and they paid out ASAP.
dito..
it is more common than you think.
i drive with a measuring tape in the car, if i hit a hole, stick the tape in to get the depth take a photo and send to local council bingo...it really is that easy.
[quote][p][bold]spottycow[/bold] wrote: Take a photo of pothole and damage to vehicle or bike and send to local council or county council and if no joy take them to small claims county court . and sue i did and they paid out ASAP.[/p][/quote]dito.. it is more common than you think. i drive with a measuring tape in the car, if i hit a hole, stick the tape in to get the depth take a photo and send to local council bingo...it really is that easy. fear your government
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8:17pm Wed 30 Jan 13

fear your government says...

any one noticed how fantastic the roads are in the rest of the european union?
brown end of the stick...... again.
any one noticed how fantastic the roads are in the rest of the european union? brown end of the stick...... again. fear your government
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11:53pm Wed 30 Jan 13

akaroa says...

Chelsea tractors ferrying privileged kids down Queen Annes road to St Olaves school, day after day ,causes huge damage, potholes, etc, to the road surface. Constant traffic, over 1000 vehicles a week have wrecked the road surface. These irresponsible pseudo aristocrats, should be made to pay for repairs,along with St Peters school. This situation hasn't changed in years and never will,.
Chelsea tractors ferrying privileged kids down Queen Annes road to St Olaves school, day after day ,causes huge damage, potholes, etc, to the road surface. Constant traffic, over 1000 vehicles a week have wrecked the road surface. These irresponsible pseudo aristocrats, should be made to pay for repairs,along with St Peters school. This situation hasn't changed in years and never will,. akaroa
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12:18am Thu 31 Jan 13

bob the builder says...

pedalling paul wrote:
A national pothole reporting system for cyclists is at
www.fillthathole.org

.uk/
...one of your number seems to have taken that too literally, committing crimes, this is what cycle paths leads to...
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: A national pothole reporting system for cyclists is at www.fillthathole.org .uk/[/p][/quote]...one of your number seems to have taken that too literally, committing crimes, this is what cycle paths leads to... bob the builder
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3:02am Thu 31 Jan 13

Magicman! says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.
Are you on crack? Have you actually tried to cycle along half the designated cycle lanes around York? about 80% of them are below the DfT recommended minimum width for cycle lanes (some of them don't even exceed the projected width of drain covers) and so are therefore between the categories of 'risky' and 'dangerous'; then they pass by bus stops, which get used by buses, their heavy weight resting in the same place time and time again forces the road surface to sink and so creates two craters about 10 meters apart; they get all the dirt from the rest of the road chucked into them, which can obscure markings and road-level dangers such as stones/debris and pot holes; the ones on the road don't get cleared of snow and ice in the winter; and they often have cars parked on them or where there is a queue of traffic drivers decide they'll sit in the cycle lane to prevent bicycles getting past them in the raudi/4x4/new mini/zafira/generic small 'city' car....

Before making comments that just show you up as being an uneducated biased commentard, try and find statistics so that there is a grain of truth in what you say.
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.[/p][/quote]Are you on crack? Have you actually tried to cycle along half the designated cycle lanes around York? about 80% of them are below the DfT recommended minimum width for cycle lanes (some of them don't even exceed the projected width of drain covers) and so are therefore between the categories of 'risky' and 'dangerous'; then they pass by bus stops, which get used by buses, their heavy weight resting in the same place time and time again forces the road surface to sink and so creates two craters about 10 meters apart; they get all the dirt from the rest of the road chucked into them, which can obscure markings and road-level dangers such as stones/debris and pot holes; the ones on the road don't get cleared of snow and ice in the winter; and they often have cars parked on them or where there is a queue of traffic drivers decide they'll sit in the cycle lane to prevent bicycles getting past them in the raudi/4x4/new mini/zafira/generic small 'city' car.... Before making comments that just show you up as being an uneducated biased commentard, try and find statistics so that there is a grain of truth in what you say. Magicman!
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8:33am Thu 31 Jan 13

powerwatt says...

akaroa wrote:
Chelsea tractors ferrying privileged kids down Queen Annes road to St Olaves school, day after day ,causes huge damage, potholes, etc, to the road surface. Constant traffic, over 1000 vehicles a week have wrecked the road surface. These irresponsible pseudo aristocrats, should be made to pay for repairs,along with St Peters school. This situation hasn't changed in years and never will,.
Yes that is right. Chelsea tractors taking kids to school are responsible for the roads across the entire of York...

Using narrow mindedness of just your local street without comparing to the rest of the York is silly.

Poor road quality in the UK is a major contributor, especially the old fashioned construction that people really don't use much elsewhere in the world is one factor.

The other is roads are not repaired quickly enough and so damage spreads.

The third is the weather we have had has caused the traditionally built roads to fall apart faster due to the excess water, freezing and snow conditions.

The final is the roads are hardly ever resurfaced, so the age and constant tinkering with them makes them a weaker construction.
[quote][p][bold]akaroa[/bold] wrote: Chelsea tractors ferrying privileged kids down Queen Annes road to St Olaves school, day after day ,causes huge damage, potholes, etc, to the road surface. Constant traffic, over 1000 vehicles a week have wrecked the road surface. These irresponsible pseudo aristocrats, should be made to pay for repairs,along with St Peters school. This situation hasn't changed in years and never will,.[/p][/quote]Yes that is right. Chelsea tractors taking kids to school are responsible for the roads across the entire of York... Using narrow mindedness of just your local street without comparing to the rest of the York is silly. Poor road quality in the UK is a major contributor, especially the old fashioned construction that people really don't use much elsewhere in the world is one factor. The other is roads are not repaired quickly enough and so damage spreads. The third is the weather we have had has caused the traditionally built roads to fall apart faster due to the excess water, freezing and snow conditions. The final is the roads are hardly ever resurfaced, so the age and constant tinkering with them makes them a weaker construction. powerwatt
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9:34am Thu 31 Jan 13

JOHNNYG1979 says...

uriahh wrote:
Don't these idiots have any understanding of the real cost and operational benefits of a proper programme of a Preventative Maintenance on our roads.

Delayed repairs and lack of ongoing inspection and repair of minor defects as and when they occur save money in the longer term. Any failure to do this leads to escalating impact damage from traffic enlarging any defect which will lead to an escalation of more water penetration under the road surface and foundation softening and further collapse of the road surface around the defect, ultimately exascerbated by frost damage and even larger and more defcts requiring repairs. i

"Cheap" low standard repairs after significant potholes have occured in will only lead to more damage which in turn will lead to even higher bills in the near future compared with repairs being carried out properly in the first place! In addition the likely compensation payments to motorists' insurers for tyre and suspension damage and even exhaust damage will become quite significant.
Can you actually claim off your local council if your vehicle is damaged by a pothole...?
And if you can bet you don't get anything...!
CYC is the gentlest council I know that can get away with digging a road up such as archer close then do a substandard job of tieing it in with the original road while making it dangerous this has been reported to York council since the site was completed over four months ago so the road now floods and is dangerous for cyclists look here what York council think is safe for cyclists http://m.youtube.com
/watch?v=Vj8dUV3PSG8
[quote][p][bold]uriahh[/bold] wrote: Don't these idiots have any understanding of the real cost and operational benefits of a proper programme of a Preventative Maintenance on our roads. Delayed repairs and lack of ongoing inspection and repair of minor defects as and when they occur save money in the longer term. Any failure to do this leads to escalating impact damage from traffic enlarging any defect which will lead to an escalation of more water penetration under the road surface and foundation softening and further collapse of the road surface around the defect, ultimately exascerbated by frost damage and even larger and more defcts requiring repairs. i "Cheap" low standard repairs after significant potholes have occured in will only lead to more damage which in turn will lead to even higher bills in the near future compared with repairs being carried out properly in the first place! In addition the likely compensation payments to motorists' insurers for tyre and suspension damage and even exhaust damage will become quite significant.[/p][/quote]Can you actually claim off your local council if your vehicle is damaged by a pothole...? And if you can bet you don't get anything...! CYC is the gentlest council I know that can get away with digging a road up such as archer close then do a substandard job of tieing it in with the original road while making it dangerous this has been reported to York council since the site was completed over four months ago so the road now floods and is dangerous for cyclists look here what York council think is safe for cyclists http://m.youtube.com /watch?v=Vj8dUV3PSG8 JOHNNYG1979
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10:19am Thu 31 Jan 13

JOHNNYG1979 says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.
Yep and how much road tax do cyclists pay...!
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.[/p][/quote]Yep and how much road tax do cyclists pay...! JOHNNYG1979
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10:26am Thu 31 Jan 13

JOHNNYG1979 says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Very soon our local roads will be suitable for the likes of Land Rovers only.
The ideal solution is resurfacing but as a minimum the pot holes need to be repaired properly and promptly. Repair to a poor standard and you will end up with the same problem soon after, not cost effective at all.
I found it rather strange that the Council claim to be fighting bankruptcy while not that long since suggesting Councillors allowances be hugely increased. What planet are they on?
The business of the local authority is to serve the public. As far as road condition and clearing footpaths during icy weather they have failed the public on the most basic safety standards.
This council is prone to being dangerous mate they have aimed cars at my children when they built archer close the block paving looks like it has been layer by a two year old and has subsided already I told the council that the houses that already exist are showing signs of subsidence.
Plus reported the road that is faulty and has been over four months and the trip hazard and dangerous road still there council has no money but built 19 houses these houses won't make any money for probably a decade so are just going to suck more funds.
Shame on city of York council.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Very soon our local roads will be suitable for the likes of Land Rovers only. The ideal solution is resurfacing but as a minimum the pot holes need to be repaired properly and promptly. Repair to a poor standard and you will end up with the same problem soon after, not cost effective at all. I found it rather strange that the Council claim to be fighting bankruptcy while not that long since suggesting Councillors allowances be hugely increased. What planet are they on? The business of the local authority is to serve the public. As far as road condition and clearing footpaths during icy weather they have failed the public on the most basic safety standards.[/p][/quote]This council is prone to being dangerous mate they have aimed cars at my children when they built archer close the block paving looks like it has been layer by a two year old and has subsided already I told the council that the houses that already exist are showing signs of subsidence. Plus reported the road that is faulty and has been over four months and the trip hazard and dangerous road still there council has no money but built 19 houses these houses won't make any money for probably a decade so are just going to suck more funds. Shame on city of York council. JOHNNYG1979
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10:52am Thu 31 Jan 13

JOHNNYG1979 says...

JOHNNYG1979 wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Very soon our local roads will be suitable for the likes of Land Rovers only.
The ideal solution is resurfacing but as a minimum the pot holes need to be repaired properly and promptly. Repair to a poor standard and you will end up with the same problem soon after, not cost effective at all.
I found it rather strange that the Council claim to be fighting bankruptcy while not that long since suggesting Councillors allowances be hugely increased. What planet are they on?
The business of the local authority is to serve the public. As far as road condition and clearing footpaths during icy weather they have failed the public on the most basic safety standards.
This council is prone to being dangerous mate they have aimed cars at my children when they built archer close the block paving looks like it has been layer by a two year old and has subsided already I told the council that the houses that already exist are showing signs of subsidence.
Plus reported the road that is faulty and has been over four months and the trip hazard and dangerous road still there council has no money but built 19 houses these houses won't make any money for probably a decade so are just going to suck more funds.
Shame on city of York council.
Here you go look here:-
http://i623.photobuc
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http://i623.photobuc
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[quote][p][bold]JOHNNYG1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Very soon our local roads will be suitable for the likes of Land Rovers only. The ideal solution is resurfacing but as a minimum the pot holes need to be repaired properly and promptly. Repair to a poor standard and you will end up with the same problem soon after, not cost effective at all. I found it rather strange that the Council claim to be fighting bankruptcy while not that long since suggesting Councillors allowances be hugely increased. What planet are they on? The business of the local authority is to serve the public. As far as road condition and clearing footpaths during icy weather they have failed the public on the most basic safety standards.[/p][/quote]This council is prone to being dangerous mate they have aimed cars at my children when they built archer close the block paving looks like it has been layer by a two year old and has subsided already I told the council that the houses that already exist are showing signs of subsidence. Plus reported the road that is faulty and has been over four months and the trip hazard and dangerous road still there council has no money but built 19 houses these houses won't make any money for probably a decade so are just going to suck more funds. Shame on city of York council.[/p][/quote]Here you go look here:- http://i623.photobuc ket.com/albums/tt314 /JOHNNY-G30/Archercl ose/image_zps0d8f67d 8.jpg http://i623.photobuc ket.com/albums/tt314 /JOHNNY-G30/Archercl ose/image_zps448cb62 1.jpg JOHNNYG1979
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11:11am Thu 31 Jan 13

BertieBrompton says...

JOHNNYG1979 wrote:
roskoboskovic wrote:
ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.
Yep and how much road tax do cyclists pay...!
Here we go again with a road tax ignoramus!

An answer with love from The Times....
When a driver scowls at a passing cyclist and shouts: “You have no right to be on the road - you don’t pay road tax!” are they right?
No, according to advisers at HM Revenue & Customs and the Treasury.
“Road tax” does not exist, and has not existed since the 1930s. What drivers do pay, however, is Vehicle Excise Duty, which is often known as road tax but is not strictly the same thing (a point that should have been made clear in today’s edition of The Times).
Firstly, a poll by British Cycling found that 87 per cent of its cyclist members also regularly drive cars, and so pay the same vehicle and fuel duties as other road users.
Secondly, this tax is paid into a central pot. The money made from Vehicle Excise Duty does not go directly back into the roads and highways. Cyclists - like everyone else - pay council tax, income tax and all sorts of other direct and indirect taxes which pay for the provision of public services, be they hospitals, trains or roads.
And thirdly, Vehicle Excise Duty is based on your vehicle’s emissions. Since a bike creates no emissions, it pays no Vehicle Excise Duty.
So, from a tax perspective, a cyclist has as much right to be on the road as any other road user and an extra levy would not be warranted. http://www.thetimes.
co.uk/tto/public/cyc
lesafety/article3311
131.ece
[quote][p][bold]JOHNNYG1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.[/p][/quote]Yep and how much road tax do cyclists pay...![/p][/quote]Here we go again with a road tax ignoramus! An answer with love from The Times.... When a driver scowls at a passing cyclist and shouts: “You have no right to be on the road - you don’t pay road tax!” are they right? No, according to advisers at HM Revenue & Customs and the Treasury. “Road tax” does not exist, and has not existed since the 1930s. What drivers do pay, however, is Vehicle Excise Duty, which is often known as road tax but is not strictly the same thing (a point that should have been made clear in today’s edition of The Times). Firstly, a poll by British Cycling found that 87 per cent of its cyclist members also regularly drive cars, and so pay the same vehicle and fuel duties as other road users. Secondly, this tax is paid into a central pot. The money made from Vehicle Excise Duty does not go directly back into the roads and highways. Cyclists - like everyone else - pay council tax, income tax and all sorts of other direct and indirect taxes which pay for the provision of public services, be they hospitals, trains or roads. And thirdly, Vehicle Excise Duty is based on your vehicle’s emissions. Since a bike creates no emissions, it pays no Vehicle Excise Duty. So, from a tax perspective, a cyclist has as much right to be on the road as any other road user and an extra levy would not be warranted. http://www.thetimes. co.uk/tto/public/cyc lesafety/article3311 131.ece BertieBrompton
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11:17am Thu 31 Jan 13

BertieBrompton says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
BertieBrompton wrote:
How do I claim for damages to my car due to poor road surfaces?
Try this website...

http://www.potholes.

co.uk/claims/how_to_

claim
Great website thanks....
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BertieBrompton[/bold] wrote: How do I claim for damages to my car due to poor road surfaces?[/p][/quote]Try this website... http://www.potholes. co.uk/claims/how_to_ claim[/p][/quote]Great website thanks.... BertieBrompton
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12:46pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

JOHNNYG1979 wrote:
roskoboskovic wrote: ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.
Yep and how much road tax do cyclists pay...!
Ok so you've had a sensible and mature response from Bertie, I'll do the opposite.

No-one pays road tax and you're a pillock.
[quote][p][bold]JOHNNYG1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.[/p][/quote]Yep and how much road tax do cyclists pay...![/p][/quote]Ok so you've had a sensible and mature response from Bertie, I'll do the opposite. No-one pays road tax and you're a pillock. Buzz Light-year
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4:38pm Thu 31 Jan 13

R'Marcus says...

BL2 wrote:
I do love hearing the LibDums having a go over things that they did in the first place (not repair roads properly)!
You are right, of course.
The LibDums, in the Lady Anne Reid administration, lef our roads in a right mess. Now all we have is make do, not mend.
Our roads should be ripped up and re-made.
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: I do love hearing the LibDums having a go over things that they did in the first place (not repair roads properly)![/p][/quote]You are right, of course. The LibDums, in the Lady Anne Reid administration, lef our roads in a right mess. Now all we have is make do, not mend. Our roads should be ripped up and re-made. R'Marcus
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1:39pm Sat 2 Feb 13

NickPheas says...

JOHNNYG1979 wrote:
roskoboskovic wrote:
ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.
Yep and how much road tax do cyclists pay...!
Yawn. I pay as much road tax as you mate. I also probably pay as much VED as well.
[quote][p][bold]JOHNNYG1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: ycc under labour have no interest in sorting out roads for the motorists.as long as that strip along the nearside is fine they re not bothered and all the newly laid designated bike paths are in good nick.[/p][/quote]Yep and how much road tax do cyclists pay...![/p][/quote]Yawn. I pay as much road tax as you mate. I also probably pay as much VED as well. NickPheas
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