Leeman Road sorting office to close next month (From York Press)

What will they do with all the postie's bikes.....? Despite the attempts of Royal Mail to end cycle delivery, it seems to be going strong locally, helping to keep York's roads moving.

And in London, rival firm TNT have begun to experiment with pedal powered deliveries.....

Wheels really do turn full circle.

Paul, why would they need to do anything with the bikes? The delivery part is staying. Do they use bikes for sorting???!!

At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").

MrATP1982 wrote:
Paul, why would they need to do anything with the bikes? The delivery part is staying. Do they use bikes for sorting???!!

That's music to my ears.........so how will the mail be transferred between York & Leeds plus vice versa, one wonders. Rail would be sensible, and might we ever see the class 325 Royal Mail trains returning to York, especially with transpennine electrification on the cards? They are currently used by DB Schenker between London, Warrington and Glasgow.

I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.

blithering idiot hepworth.we re losing our long established central sorting and collecting office and he s wittering about some knackered old pushbikes.york is swiftly becoming a joke,most of our manufacturing industries have gone,central york and acomb are now full of empty shops and all we re left with is tourism.york is one big disneyland and the residents are surplus to requirement,unpaid extras only useful for contributing taxes.

I love the way that a letter posted in York to a resident in York is now going to travel to Leeds and back ... what a joke!

A very sad day for York and Royal Mail staff, I had such a lot of great memories of this office and the staff that worked there, and of course living in that area for 70 odd years. I think in this case Royal Mail are making one big mistake.
This Office has been always close to my heart even though I transferred from there 30 years ago to live in Wales. When i come up to York several times a year I still get goose bumps and feelings of this office when I pass it. Best of luck to all the staff a leeman road.

PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story

yorkiemum wrote:
PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story

Well said!

I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").

Indeed it is, but I suspect you know as well as I do that it's far more likely to be earmarked for more luxury riverside apartments aka block of yuppie flats, replete with howls of anguish from the building industry lest some poor people get in and reduce the profit.

I know, why don't we teach them a lesson by stopping sending letters? Oh...

“...transformation programme ... represents a significant investment ... important part of our programme to ... efficiency and effectiveness of our operation ... best possible use of ... resources ... yadda yadda yadda”

My word, who wrote this? Bland, ambiguous, tells us absolutely nothing. Royal Mail, please could you replace the management speak in your statements with some actual substance?

I think you might find that Royal Mail is keeping the delivery operation for YO1 10 19 23 and 24 postcode areas at Leeman Road so you can forget about bus stations and the like I'm afraid. The Press headline is misleading in that respect...not for the first time either. Cycles will eventually be replaced by trolleys and vans...not a popular decision with staff I can assure you. And as for the guy who insists his postman never knocks on the door for parcels...ask yourself what benefit there is for the postman having to carry a bagful of parcels that he can't deliver all the way around his delivery and back to the office when he already has 6 or 7 other bags of mail to deliver as well ? The postman didn't knock is becoming the excuse of choice for customers who, in reality, can't be bothered to answer the door...

BL2 wrote:
I love the way that a letter posted in York to a resident in York is now going to travel to Leeds and back ... what a joke!

...which is exactly the same for everyone living in every UK town without a central sorting office. Example: if you post from Strensall, your letter goes to city centre and back to Strensall.

How does that affect you? I don't see your point.

yorkiemum wrote:
PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story

Do you ever get the feeling that Pedalling Paul is twisting your melons.

Anotherslownewsday wrote:

yorkiemum wrote: PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story

Do you ever get the feeling that Pedalling Paul is twisting your melons.

Oy!!!! Leave my melons alone!! Lol

Actually, I happened to be off sick last week and so I was in when the post was delivered. I was in the sitting room which is right next to the front door, I saw the postman go past and heard the post come through the door. I immediately got up to collect it and found a note saying sorry you weren't in, you can get your parcel from ........ They didn't knock on the door I can promise you that. Perhaps they assumed nobody would be in as normally there wouldn't be.

Old_Man wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!

Not like the old days, posties used to go out of their way to help. in my opinion if this packet was to big to be delivered by the postman then it should have been delivered on a van with other large packets., the system seems to have gone down here or some one is being very lazy, give them a ring and tell them that they are willfully delaying your mail.

Improvement - Hardly likely they will be short handed in Leeds I would put money on it

Wonderful, yet another major employer dumping on York workers (Norwich Union, Nestle, Railway and not to mention The Press etc etc...).

No need to worry though as no doubt we'll be getting another posh supermarket or fast food restaurant soon.

What a joke!

This site has been ear marked for closure for at least 15 years to my knowledge, one of the reasons being, this site is the most valuable site, as in £ for redeveloping, that Royal Mail owns... so from a business point of view it makes perfect logical sense to move it and liquidise the assets.

Old_Man wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!

Well if in the time it took you to walk two feet the postman was able to post the letter, walk to his bike, get on it and cycle off and of hearing reach then I think the postman might not be the one with problems!

roskoboskovic wrote:
blithering idiot hepworth.we re losing our long established central sorting and collecting office and he s wittering about some knackered old pushbikes.york is swiftly becoming a joke,most of our manufacturing industries have gone,central york and acomb are now full of empty shops and all we re left with is tourism.york is one big disneyland and the residents are surplus to requirement,unpaid extras only useful for contributing taxes.

well said , my granddad was a manager there god rest his sole, the fact worry s me that jobs are disappearing around York to quick, and lately my mail always ends up in another persons house, so now i gather it will probably get worse, bikes are the last thing that we should be worried about , york is slowly becoming a ghost town

openallhours wrote:
Wonderful, yet another major employer dumping on York workers (Norwich Union, Nestle, Railway and not to mention The Press etc etc...).

No need to worry though as no doubt we'll be getting another posh supermarket or fast food restaurant soon.

What a joke!

yet our beloved MP and so called Unions do nothing whilst York becomes a dead city "Yet" somehow the monthly un -employment figures always improve How does that work then?

I scared my postman today by going to the door completely naked.
I'm not sure what scared him more though, my naked body or the fact that I knew where he lived.

oswaldcobblepot wrote:

Old_Man wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!

Well if in the time it took you to walk two feet the postman was able to post the letter, walk to his bike, get on it and cycle off and of hearing reach then I think the postman might not be the one with problems!

That would be true, had I spotted the card immediately instead of it being in the middle of the bundle of mail. Thanks for your valuable input anyway ;-)

Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future?
The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc
Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!

I don't see why they need a big sorting office when 75% of my mail is junk advertising and fliers. Even when a house is unoccupied a load of paperwork piles up underneath the letterbox.

oswaldcobblepot wrote:

Old_Man wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!

Well if in the time it took you to walk two feet the postman was able to post the letter, walk to his bike, get on it and cycle off and of hearing reach then I think the postman might not be the one with problems!

before you say silly things, read what oswaldcobblepot was saying, some people only read the first bit of anything then start working themselves up.

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future?
The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc
Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!

If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe).

Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.

roskoboskovic wrote:
blithering idiot hepworth.we re losing our long established central sorting and collecting office and he s wittering about some knackered old pushbikes.york is swiftly becoming a joke,most of our manufacturing industries have gone,central york and acomb are now full of empty shops and all we re left with is tourism.york is one big disneyland and the residents are surplus to requirement,unpaid extras only useful for contributing taxes.

Rubbish. Of course York isn't full of empty shops. Use your eyes and look up the stats. As for tourism, what's wrong with that ? Don't you ever travel ? Daft question; of course you don't.

hustler wrote:

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote: Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future? The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!

If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe). Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.

Why cant Lendal Post Office be the collection point?

Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.

.. not the day he doesn't realise someone has taken his saddle off and he gets the tube instead of a bike ride?

... another potential development site for undevelopment... or I could short term lease it and run a car park within walking distance of town - but that wouldn't work, everyone parks on the double yellow lines outside knowing that in 20 years no one has ever got a ticket!

pedalling paul wrote:
What will they do with all the postie's bikes.....? Despite the attempts of Royal Mail to end cycle delivery, it seems to be going strong locally, helping to keep York's roads moving.

And in London, rival firm TNT have begun to experiment with pedal powered deliveries.....

Wheels really do turn full circle.

You really are one obnoxious, nauseating individual. In your quest to offer a contribution on here, to anything and everything, and woven in between your inane ramblings, is the usual claptrap references to cycles, cycling, pedal power, cycle lanes.

You may come back with references to 'laying the bait', for my type of response, well its worked. Your neither funny, informed or respected. Missing the major point of this article, the loss of 157 jobs has passed you by.

To summarise, one obnoxious, nauseating individual.

roskoboskovic wrote:
blithering idiot hepworth.we re losing our long established central sorting and collecting office and he s wittering about some knackered old pushbikes.york is swiftly becoming a joke,most of our manufacturing industries have gone,central york and acomb are now full of empty shops and all we re left with is tourism.york is one big disneyland and the residents are surplus to requirement,unpaid extras only useful for contributing taxes.

Could'nt have said it any better myself!

Think what your saying though...
No manufacturing jobs, empty shops, bored men, hungry men, lonely men

Soon becomes an intresting recipe for the authority's to deal with..

Take it the christmas temp jobs are out of the window now then at this office because that was a big line up for yorks work. Getting in at that post office. Carnt re-call how many times job centre have mention that hole to me!

i mean majority of leeman road people work there! owell give them sumat to chat about in jubilee! or leeman.

Think i mite take a walk down minster and listen to some guy playing his guitar
PEACE
much love x x

Again real jobs been lost,whilst York is apparently booming.

I would just like to say that our postwoman is a gem.

Seeing me returning home as she was returning to the sorting office at the end of her shift with a large parcel meant for me, she turned her van around, drove the half mile behind me and handed me the parcel as I was opening my front door. All this with a cheery smile and a "thought I'd save you the trip into town to collect it". Service above and beyond the call of duty. Brilliant!

Less volume to process so less sorting offices needed. Hardly rocket science.

There is a certain irony with moaning about this on an internet forum. If everyone who had a whinge wrote it on a piece of paper, put it in an envelope, stuck a stamp on and took it to a post box and sent it to the Evening Press
then there may be a demand for more sorting offices.

It's called progress. How much stuff that comes through the letter box could be emailed. Probably 75% plus.

bob the builder wrote:

Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.

.. not the day he doesn't realise someone has taken his saddle off and he gets the tube instead of a bike ride?

Sounds like the voice of perverted experience extolling previous pleasures.

Yorkie41 wrote:

Old_Man wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!

Not like the old days, posties used to go out of their way to help. in my opinion if this packet was to big to be delivered by the postman then it should have been delivered on a van with other large packets., the system seems to have gone down here or some one is being very lazy, give them a ring and tell them that they are willfully delaying your mail.

I worked as a postman at Leeman Road back in the early nineties after graduating from university. I was on YO1 deliveries and thoroughly enjoyed my time there (The pay stank - £96 for a 6 day week). Fast forward to the present day and after talking to a friend who has worked there for over a year now, I have concerns, much like this sorting office closure gives me concerns. Let me list a few generic beefs and hopefully, the well-paid Royal Mail senior management 'team' may read and understand them. Given the decisions they make though, it is highly questionable if they possess good literacy and comprehension skills.

1. Delivery time - WTF has gone on here??? My mail is now randomly delivered by a different being everyday between the hours of 2 and 4.

2. The utter crap that gets shoved through my letterbox - I live in the world of the internet. If it's a catalogue, I don't want it. If it's a flyer for Sky, I don't want it. If it's any corporate advertising services, I don't want it. Get it? I DON't WANT IT! Parcels and letters please.

3. Which moron ran a piece of software which calculated that postal round sizes should be doubled, recalculated the routes without with no regard for logic and came up with the statistic that post-postpeople should walk at 4mph carrying large Kg bags?


4. Staff turnover - Royal Mail has a high staff turnover. Factor in the above and below and go figure.

5. Senior Management - And here it isn't just the Royal Mail, we are talking about a generation of middle and senior managers, CEO's and boards who would turn up holding a battered sausage to a Taleban gun fight.

One of the biggest modern day problems with the UK is management. Spineless 'yes men', egomaniacs, backstabbers, sycophants, brown-nosers and jobsworths. People who bottleneck and cause problems with every event due to the simple fact that they cannot 'manage' people or processes. The public sector has them, hell, so does the private sector (they're called bankers). Well-paid soft-palmed office monkeys who have 'meetings' and nice salaries and this brings me full circle. It's people like this who are ruining the post office. The post office used to work well and it's the management who are wrecking it. The closure of Leeman Road sorting is yet another ill-thought out management decision.

I'll be getting my mail delivered at midnight soon. Oh well....

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:

Yorkie41 wrote:

Old_Man wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!

Not like the old days, posties used to go out of their way to help. in my opinion if this packet was to big to be delivered by the postman then it should have been delivered on a van with other large packets., the system seems to have gone down here or some one is being very lazy, give them a ring and tell them that they are willfully delaying your mail.

I worked as a postman at Leeman Road back in the early nineties after graduating from university. I was on YO1 deliveries and thoroughly enjoyed my time there (The pay stank - £96 for a 6 day week). Fast forward to the present day and after talking to a friend who has worked there for over a year now, I have concerns, much like this sorting office closure gives me concerns. Let me list a few generic beefs and hopefully, the well-paid Royal Mail senior management 'team' may read and understand them. Given the decisions they make though, it is highly questionable if they possess good literacy and comprehension skills.

1. Delivery time - WTF has gone on here??? My mail is now randomly delivered by a different being everyday between the hours of 2 and 4.

2. The utter crap that gets shoved through my letterbox - I live in the world of the internet. If it's a catalogue, I don't want it. If it's a flyer for Sky, I don't want it. If it's any corporate advertising services, I don't want it. Get it? I DON't WANT IT! Parcels and letters please.

3. Which moron ran a piece of software which calculated that postal round sizes should be doubled, recalculated the routes without with no regard for logic and came up with the statistic that post-postpeople should walk at 4mph carrying large Kg bags?


4. Staff turnover - Royal Mail has a high staff turnover. Factor in the above and below and go figure.

5. Senior Management - And here it isn't just the Royal Mail, we are talking about a generation of middle and senior managers, CEO's and boards who would turn up holding a battered sausage to a Taleban gun fight.

One of the biggest modern day problems with the UK is management. Spineless 'yes men', egomaniacs, backstabbers, sycophants, brown-nosers and jobsworths. People who bottleneck and cause problems with every event due to the simple fact that they cannot 'manage' people or processes. The public sector has them, hell, so does the private sector (they're called bankers). Well-paid soft-palmed office monkeys who have 'meetings' and nice salaries and this brings me full circle. It's people like this who are ruining the post office. The post office used to work well and it's the management who are wrecking it. The closure of Leeman Road sorting is yet another ill-thought out management decision.

I'll be getting my mail delivered at midnight soon. Oh well....

I could not have put it any better myself ReginaldBiscuit, another thing is Royal mail is delivering for firms like TNT and other firms and getting pea nuts for doing it. if you look at your mail today you will find very few items have a stamp on them.In my opinion Royal Mail has gone Backward over the last 20 or so , maybe they should go back to employing ex Military personnel as there will soon be plenty of them looking for employment.

I used to know a few PO management types, nice people but most of them had to take their shoes and socks off to count to 20 !

'Backstabbers' and 'yes men' does seem to ring a bell in my experience!

Zetkin wrote:

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").

Indeed it is, but I suspect you know as well as I do that it's far more likely to be earmarked for more luxury riverside apartments aka block of yuppie flats, replete with howls of anguish from the building industry lest some poor people get in and reduce the profit.

Doubt it - maybe too close to railway line ?

Hopefully JRHT or Council will buy it for affordable/social/co
uncil housing.

157 jobs LOST !

Where are Bayley and Alexander with their jobs and growth agenda ?

Too busy gushing over a bloody bike race starting in York for one day - big deal ? NOT !

Another Tory Coalition cut back in action. And more **** from Mr Laverack i see

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").

Originally I would have agreed.... however there's one major problem: traffic. Afternoon peak traffic from about 3pm until roughly 6pm along Leeman Road and over Lendal Bridge is a nightmare. It can take a bus 45 minutes to get from the NRM to the bottom of Lendal Bridge. With a transport interchange there if the current road layout was kept we would be looking at every bus going across the crossroads and then having to turn right into the interchange, and on the way out it'd then have to go all the way around the gyratory before carrying on to the station and acomb direction. Including dwell time at a stand, you'd be looking at about 12 minutes extra time between St Lenoards Place/Rougier Street and the train station in normal traffic - in the afternoon peak you're looking at 30-40 minutes extra time.

If there was a silver bullet to get rid of all the cars causing this congestion then a bus station there would be good, as it could have a completely covered walkway right into the train station, maybe even with lifts for wheelchairs and buggies. The only solution I have would be to redirect all traffic along Nunnery Lane and over Skeldergate Bridge, Paragon Street, Foss Islands, Lord Mayors Walk - with traffic lights retimed to give priority to these roads - and have ANPR cameras monitoring the whole roadways between Lendal Bridge and Queen Street so anybody 'passing through' that's not a delivery vehicle gets a ticket but anybody going in and coming out the same way (ie to drop somebody off at the train station) does not get a ticket.

hustler wrote:

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future?
The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc
Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!

If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe).

Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.

Yes, having trekked out to Birch Park a couple of times, it is inconvenient - particularly given the restricted opening hours. A central location, such as Leeman Road, would make far more sense if Royal Mail's primary concern was to provide decent customer service. This isn't unique to York, of course: it's now normal for mail collection points to be in inconvenient, out of the way locations on trading estates away from town centres.

And yes, there is a facility to have mail redelivered to your local post office - and Royal Mail, not all that long ago, tripled the charge from 50p to £1.50. Just the way to win your customer's heart, if you've actually made no attempt to deliver their package (i.e. left it at the office and come along with a card to stick through their door) and are now asking them to pay a second time when they've already paid for the item to be delivered to their house. In those circumstances, it comes perilously close to fraud.

I would stress that it's the system to blame, not postmen. Some at least go out of their way to help by leaving packages with neighbours if you're out or, if practical, in a safe place outside your house.

Caecilius wrote:

hustler wrote:

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future?
The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc
Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!

If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe).

Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.

Yes, having trekked out to Birch Park a couple of times, it is inconvenient - particularly given the restricted opening hours. A central location, such as Leeman Road, would make far more sense if Royal Mail's primary concern was to provide decent customer service. This isn't unique to York, of course: it's now normal for mail collection points to be in inconvenient, out of the way locations on trading estates away from town centres.

And yes, there is a facility to have mail redelivered to your local post office - and Royal Mail, not all that long ago, tripled the charge from 50p to £1.50. Just the way to win your customer's heart, if you've actually made no attempt to deliver their package (i.e. left it at the office and come along with a card to stick through their door) and are now asking them to pay a second time when they've already paid for the item to be delivered to their house. In those circumstances, it comes perilously close to fraud.

I would stress that it's the system to blame, not postmen. Some at least go out of their way to help by leaving packages with neighbours if you're out or, if practical, in a safe place outside your house.

If a card is left without an attempt to deliver a package then it is not the system at fault. Unless you mean the system is failing to detect workshy slackers who should be dismissed.

Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.

Now kids play nice!

Does it mean my postie can stop delivering the well sorted recycling now? Hurray,suit my lazy ex wife to lose her job more time for sitting on benefits for her!

Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.

You won't see that day.... He does it at night!

Anotherslownewsday wrote:

yorkiemum wrote: PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story

Do you ever get the feeling that Pedalling Paul is twisting your melons.

He kettles my Swede.

Rather than all these anecdotal often irrelevant posts, I suggest that some of the regular bloggers here raise this as formal complaint /issue with their Ward Councillor as I have!
A working democracy requires information, reaction and action on the part of the electorate.......Hot air in this context doesnt help.

Caecilius wrote:

hustler wrote:

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future?
The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc
Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!

If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe).

Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.

Yes, having trekked out to Birch Park a couple of times, it is inconvenient - particularly given the restricted opening hours. A central location, such as Leeman Road, would make far more sense if Royal Mail's primary concern was to provide decent customer service. This isn't unique to York, of course: it's now normal for mail collection points to be in inconvenient, out of the way locations on trading estates away from town centres.

And yes, there is a facility to have mail redelivered to your local post office - and Royal Mail, not all that long ago, tripled the charge from 50p to £1.50. Just the way to win your customer's heart, if you've actually made no attempt to deliver their package (i.e. left it at the office and come along with a card to stick through their door) and are now asking them to pay a second time when they've already paid for the item to be delivered to their house. In those circumstances, it comes perilously close to fraud.

I would stress that it's the system to blame, not postmen. Some at least go out of their way to help by leaving packages with neighbours if you're out or, if practical, in a safe place outside your house.

I just re-read the above article and it makes no mention of the collection office moving or of the whole site being lost. The delivery office for the postcodes currently served by Leeman Road remains at Leeman Road and so therefore should personal collections for these as they are part of the delivery process. It would be really good if people read the whole piece before commenting.

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Zetkin wrote:

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").

Indeed it is, but I suspect you know as well as I do that it's far more likely to be earmarked for more luxury riverside apartments aka block of yuppie flats, replete with howls of anguish from the building industry lest some poor people get in and reduce the profit.

Doubt it - maybe too close to railway line ?

Hopefully JRHT or Council will buy it for affordable/social/co

uncil housing.

Scarcely. Try reading the article and you'll see that it is destined to remain the delivery office. Only part of the building is used as a sorting office.

brahma wrote:

Caecilius wrote:

hustler wrote:

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future?
The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc
Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!

If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe).

Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.

Yes, having trekked out to Birch Park a couple of times, it is inconvenient - particularly given the restricted opening hours. A central location, such as Leeman Road, would make far more sense if Royal Mail's primary concern was to provide decent customer service. This isn't unique to York, of course: it's now normal for mail collection points to be in inconvenient, out of the way locations on trading estates away from town centres.

And yes, there is a facility to have mail redelivered to your local post office - and Royal Mail, not all that long ago, tripled the charge from 50p to £1.50. Just the way to win your customer's heart, if you've actually made no attempt to deliver their package (i.e. left it at the office and come along with a card to stick through their door) and are now asking them to pay a second time when they've already paid for the item to be delivered to their house. In those circumstances, it comes perilously close to fraud.

I would stress that it's the system to blame, not postmen. Some at least go out of their way to help by leaving packages with neighbours if you're out or, if practical, in a safe place outside your house.

I just re-read the above article and it makes no mention of the collection office moving or of the whole site being lost. The delivery office for the postcodes currently served by Leeman Road remains at Leeman Road and so therefore should personal collections for these as they are part of the delivery process. It would be really good if people read the whole piece before commenting.

My sentiments from earlier part of this story, people only read the first part of a story then create hell.

brahma wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Zetkin wrote:

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").

Indeed it is, but I suspect you know as well as I do that it's far more likely to be earmarked for more luxury riverside apartments aka block of yuppie flats, replete with howls of anguish from the building industry lest some poor people get in and reduce the profit.

Doubt it - maybe too close to railway line ?

Hopefully JRHT or Council will buy it for affordable/social/co


uncil housing.

Scarcely. Try reading the article and you'll see that it is destined to remain the delivery office. Only part of the building is used as a sorting office.

The majority of the building is used as a sorting office for processing. The site is far too lucrative for RM to keep it there.

I envisage a small delivery office in each of the YO1 and YO2 delivery areas, a little bit like the Birch Park DO serving the YO3 area of York.

EG: YO1 could go to Fulford Road somewhere and YO2 could go to Holgate Park? Who knows!!

Also a small satelite Collection Hub like there is scattered around the country. Maybe based on the A64 somewhere enroute to Leeds Mail Centre?

This site is just worth too much cash for RM to not want to move out.

Watch this space!!

My dear old Grandfather was a postman, and he enjoyed it. `It was better than waliking the streets` he used to say................

Tim Cronin wrote:
My dear old Grandfather was a postman, and he enjoyed it. `It was better than waliking the streets` he used to say................

I was there over 35 years ago it was great in those days Tim, I had many good years at Leemon Road. In those days you only got a job there if you had been an ex serviceman.

That`s right Yorkie41, they were all ex-forces in those days. He eventually lost his job though and went to work on various farms throughout England, but oh how he craved the good life of being a postman. He met lots of his lady friends through his job, but was eventually taken by the demon drink. He was run over by a Guiness wagon........

Tim Cronin wrote:
That`s right Yorkie41, they were all ex-forces in those days. He eventually lost his job though and went to work on various farms throughout England, but oh how he craved the good life of being a postman. He met lots of his lady friends through his job, but was eventually taken by the demon drink. He was run over by a Guiness wagon........

sorry to hear that Tim I must have known him, I did know in those days one or two Casanova's, the comradeship in those days was unbelievable at Leeman road.we also had our own parcel office further up Leeman road very fond memories.