Royal Mail sorting office in Leeman Road, York to close next month

York Press: Royal Mail sorting office in Leeman Road, York Royal Mail sorting office in Leeman Road, York

ROYAL Mail’s sorting office in York will close by the end of next month, with mail processing operations transferred to a new centre near Leeds.

The phased closure of the sorting office in Leeman Road means the loss of 157 jobs to York – although about 60 posts are transferring to Leeds.

A Royal Mail spokeswoman said the York Central Delivery Office in Leeman Road was unaffected.

“The change is part of a major transformation and programme to modernise Royal Mail,” she said.

“We need to modernise in response to the decline in volume of mail and to introduce the latest technology to our sorting centre. The expansion of our Leeds site represents a significant investment by Royal Mail in services in North East Yorkshire.

“This move is an important part of our programme to improve both the efficiency and effectiveness of our operation by making the best possible use of our buildings, machinery and resources.”

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10:03am Tue 22 Jan 13

pedalling paul says...

What will they do with all the postie's bikes.....? Despite the attempts of Royal Mail to end cycle delivery, it seems to be going strong locally, helping to keep York's roads moving.

And in London, rival firm TNT have begun to experiment with pedal powered deliveries.....

Wheels really do turn full circle.
What will they do with all the postie's bikes.....? Despite the attempts of Royal Mail to end cycle delivery, it seems to be going strong locally, helping to keep York's roads moving. And in London, rival firm TNT have begun to experiment with pedal powered deliveries..... Wheels really do turn full circle. pedalling paul

10:27am Tue 22 Jan 13

MrATP1982 says...

Paul, why would they need to do anything with the bikes? The delivery part is staying. Do they use bikes for sorting???!!
Paul, why would they need to do anything with the bikes? The delivery part is staying. Do they use bikes for sorting???!! MrATP1982

10:32am Tue 22 Jan 13

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").
At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange"). Ignatius Lumpopo

10:42am Tue 22 Jan 13

pedalling paul says...

MrATP1982 wrote:
Paul, why would they need to do anything with the bikes? The delivery part is staying. Do they use bikes for sorting???!!
That's music to my ears.........so how will the mail be transferred between York & Leeds plus vice versa, one wonders. Rail would be sensible, and might we ever see the class 325 Royal Mail trains returning to York, especially with transpennine electrification on the cards? They are currently used by DB Schenker between London, Warrington and Glasgow.
[quote][p][bold]MrATP1982[/bold] wrote: Paul, why would they need to do anything with the bikes? The delivery part is staying. Do they use bikes for sorting???!![/p][/quote]That's music to my ears.........so how will the mail be transferred between York & Leeds plus vice versa, one wonders. Rail would be sensible, and might we ever see the class 325 Royal Mail trains returning to York, especially with transpennine electrification on the cards? They are currently used by DB Schenker between London, Warrington and Glasgow. pedalling paul

10:49am Tue 22 Jan 13

Osbaldwick Lad says...

I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.
I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle. Osbaldwick Lad

10:52am Tue 22 Jan 13

roskoboskovic says...

blithering idiot hepworth.we re losing our long established central sorting and collecting office and he s wittering about some knackered old pushbikes.york is swiftly becoming a joke,most of our manufacturing industries have gone,central york and acomb are now full of empty shops and all we re left with is tourism.york is one big disneyland and the residents are surplus to requirement,unpaid extras only useful for contributing taxes.
blithering idiot hepworth.we re losing our long established central sorting and collecting office and he s wittering about some knackered old pushbikes.york is swiftly becoming a joke,most of our manufacturing industries have gone,central york and acomb are now full of empty shops and all we re left with is tourism.york is one big disneyland and the residents are surplus to requirement,unpaid extras only useful for contributing taxes. roskoboskovic

11:00am Tue 22 Jan 13

BL2 says...

I love the way that a letter posted in York to a resident in York is now going to travel to Leeds and back ... what a joke!
I love the way that a letter posted in York to a resident in York is now going to travel to Leeds and back ... what a joke! BL2

11:02am Tue 22 Jan 13

Yorkie41 says...

A very sad day for York and Royal Mail staff, I had such a lot of great memories of this office and the staff that worked there, and of course living in that area for 70 odd years. I think in this case Royal Mail are making one big mistake.
This Office has been always close to my heart even though I transferred from there 30 years ago to live in Wales. When i come up to York several times a year I still get goose bumps and feelings of this office when I pass it. Best of luck to all the staff a leeman road.
A very sad day for York and Royal Mail staff, I had such a lot of great memories of this office and the staff that worked there, and of course living in that area for 70 odd years. I think in this case Royal Mail are making one big mistake. This Office has been always close to my heart even though I transferred from there 30 years ago to live in Wales. When i come up to York several times a year I still get goose bumps and feelings of this office when I pass it. Best of luck to all the staff a leeman road. Yorkie41

11:19am Tue 22 Jan 13

yorkiemum says...

PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story
PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story yorkiemum

11:36am Tue 22 Jan 13

Keeet Lemon says...

yorkiemum wrote:
PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story[/p][/quote]Well said! Keeet Lemon

11:56am Tue 22 Jan 13

Old_Man says...

I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means! Old_Man

12:16pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Zetkin says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").
Indeed it is, but I suspect you know as well as I do that it's far more likely to be earmarked for more luxury riverside apartments aka block of yuppie flats, replete with howls of anguish from the building industry lest some poor people get in and reduce the profit.
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").[/p][/quote]Indeed it is, but I suspect you know as well as I do that it's far more likely to be earmarked for more luxury riverside apartments aka block of yuppie flats, replete with howls of anguish from the building industry lest some poor people get in and reduce the profit. Zetkin

12:21pm Tue 22 Jan 13

timcore says...

I know, why don't we teach them a lesson by stopping sending letters? Oh...
I know, why don't we teach them a lesson by stopping sending letters? Oh... timcore

12:38pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Bucktrout says...

“...transformation programme ... represents a significant investment ... important part of our programme to ... efficiency and effectiveness of our operation ... best possible use of ... resources ... yadda yadda yadda”

My word, who wrote this? Bland, ambiguous, tells us absolutely nothing. Royal Mail, please could you replace the management speak in your statements with some actual substance?
“...transformation programme ... represents a significant investment ... important part of our programme to ... efficiency and effectiveness of our operation ... best possible use of ... resources ... yadda yadda yadda” My word, who wrote this? Bland, ambiguous, tells us absolutely nothing. Royal Mail, please could you replace the management speak in your statements with some actual substance? Bucktrout

12:44pm Tue 22 Jan 13

James Vane says...

I think you might find that Royal Mail is keeping the delivery operation for YO1 10 19 23 and 24 postcode areas at Leeman Road so you can forget about bus stations and the like I'm afraid. The Press headline is misleading in that respect...not for the first time either. Cycles will eventually be replaced by trolleys and vans...not a popular decision with staff I can assure you. And as for the guy who insists his postman never knocks on the door for parcels...ask yourself what benefit there is for the postman having to carry a bagful of parcels that he can't deliver all the way around his delivery and back to the office when he already has 6 or 7 other bags of mail to deliver as well ? The postman didn't knock is becoming the excuse of choice for customers who, in reality, can't be bothered to answer the door...
I think you might find that Royal Mail is keeping the delivery operation for YO1 10 19 23 and 24 postcode areas at Leeman Road so you can forget about bus stations and the like I'm afraid. The Press headline is misleading in that respect...not for the first time either. Cycles will eventually be replaced by trolleys and vans...not a popular decision with staff I can assure you. And as for the guy who insists his postman never knocks on the door for parcels...ask yourself what benefit there is for the postman having to carry a bagful of parcels that he can't deliver all the way around his delivery and back to the office when he already has 6 or 7 other bags of mail to deliver as well ? The postman didn't knock is becoming the excuse of choice for customers who, in reality, can't be bothered to answer the door... James Vane

12:44pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Bucktrout says...

BL2 wrote:
I love the way that a letter posted in York to a resident in York is now going to travel to Leeds and back ... what a joke!
...which is exactly the same for everyone living in every UK town without a central sorting office. Example: if you post from Strensall, your letter goes to city centre and back to Strensall.

How does that affect you? I don't see your point.
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: I love the way that a letter posted in York to a resident in York is now going to travel to Leeds and back ... what a joke![/p][/quote]...which is exactly the same for everyone living in every UK town without a central sorting office. Example: if you post from Strensall, your letter goes to city centre and back to Strensall. How does that affect you? I don't see your point. Bucktrout

12:47pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Anotherslownewsday says...

yorkiemum wrote:
PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story
Do you ever get the feeling that Pedalling Paul is twisting your melons.
[quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story[/p][/quote]Do you ever get the feeling that Pedalling Paul is twisting your melons. Anotherslownewsday

12:55pm Tue 22 Jan 13

yorkiemum says...

Anotherslownewsday wrote:
yorkiemum wrote: PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story
Do you ever get the feeling that Pedalling Paul is twisting your melons.
Oy!!!! Leave my melons alone!! Lol
[quote][p][bold]Anotherslownewsday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story[/p][/quote]Do you ever get the feeling that Pedalling Paul is twisting your melons.[/p][/quote]Oy!!!! Leave my melons alone!! Lol yorkiemum

1:14pm Tue 22 Jan 13

MrsHoney says...

Actually, I happened to be off sick last week and so I was in when the post was delivered. I was in the sitting room which is right next to the front door, I saw the postman go past and heard the post come through the door. I immediately got up to collect it and found a note saying sorry you weren't in, you can get your parcel from ........ They didn't knock on the door I can promise you that. Perhaps they assumed nobody would be in as normally there wouldn't be.
Actually, I happened to be off sick last week and so I was in when the post was delivered. I was in the sitting room which is right next to the front door, I saw the postman go past and heard the post come through the door. I immediately got up to collect it and found a note saying sorry you weren't in, you can get your parcel from ........ They didn't knock on the door I can promise you that. Perhaps they assumed nobody would be in as normally there wouldn't be. MrsHoney

1:15pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Yorkie41 says...

Old_Man wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!
Not like the old days, posties used to go out of their way to help. in my opinion if this packet was to big to be delivered by the postman then it should have been delivered on a van with other large packets., the system seems to have gone down here or some one is being very lazy, give them a ring and tell them that they are willfully delaying your mail.
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means![/p][/quote]Not like the old days, posties used to go out of their way to help. in my opinion if this packet was to big to be delivered by the postman then it should have been delivered on a van with other large packets., the system seems to have gone down here or some one is being very lazy, give them a ring and tell them that they are willfully delaying your mail. Yorkie41

2:06pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Mork says...

Improvement - Hardly likely they will be short handed in Leeds I would put money on it
Improvement - Hardly likely they will be short handed in Leeds I would put money on it Mork

2:36pm Tue 22 Jan 13

openallhours says...

Wonderful, yet another major employer dumping on York workers (Norwich Union, Nestle, Railway and not to mention The Press etc etc...).

No need to worry though as no doubt we'll be getting another posh supermarket or fast food restaurant soon.

What a joke!
Wonderful, yet another major employer dumping on York workers (Norwich Union, Nestle, Railway and not to mention The Press etc etc...). No need to worry though as no doubt we'll be getting another posh supermarket or fast food restaurant soon. What a joke! openallhours

2:56pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Candy Cupcake says...

This site has been ear marked for closure for at least 15 years to my knowledge, one of the reasons being, this site is the most valuable site, as in £ for redeveloping, that Royal Mail owns... so from a business point of view it makes perfect logical sense to move it and liquidise the assets.
This site has been ear marked for closure for at least 15 years to my knowledge, one of the reasons being, this site is the most valuable site, as in £ for redeveloping, that Royal Mail owns... so from a business point of view it makes perfect logical sense to move it and liquidise the assets. Candy Cupcake

3:10pm Tue 22 Jan 13

oswaldcobblepot says...

Old_Man wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!
Well if in the time it took you to walk two feet the postman was able to post the letter, walk to his bike, get on it and cycle off and of hearing reach then I think the postman might not be the one with problems!
[quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means![/p][/quote]Well if in the time it took you to walk two feet the postman was able to post the letter, walk to his bike, get on it and cycle off and of hearing reach then I think the postman might not be the one with problems! oswaldcobblepot

3:20pm Tue 22 Jan 13

scooterboy says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
blithering idiot hepworth.we re losing our long established central sorting and collecting office and he s wittering about some knackered old pushbikes.york is swiftly becoming a joke,most of our manufacturing industries have gone,central york and acomb are now full of empty shops and all we re left with is tourism.york is one big disneyland and the residents are surplus to requirement,unpaid extras only useful for contributing taxes.
well said , my granddad was a manager there god rest his sole, the fact worry s me that jobs are disappearing around York to quick, and lately my mail always ends up in another persons house, so now i gather it will probably get worse, bikes are the last thing that we should be worried about , york is slowly becoming a ghost town
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: blithering idiot hepworth.we re losing our long established central sorting and collecting office and he s wittering about some knackered old pushbikes.york is swiftly becoming a joke,most of our manufacturing industries have gone,central york and acomb are now full of empty shops and all we re left with is tourism.york is one big disneyland and the residents are surplus to requirement,unpaid extras only useful for contributing taxes.[/p][/quote]well said , my granddad was a manager there god rest his sole, the fact worry s me that jobs are disappearing around York to quick, and lately my mail always ends up in another persons house, so now i gather it will probably get worse, bikes are the last thing that we should be worried about , york is slowly becoming a ghost town scooterboy

3:32pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Mork says...

openallhours wrote:
Wonderful, yet another major employer dumping on York workers (Norwich Union, Nestle, Railway and not to mention The Press etc etc...).

No need to worry though as no doubt we'll be getting another posh supermarket or fast food restaurant soon.

What a joke!
yet our beloved MP and so called Unions do nothing whilst York becomes a dead city "Yet" somehow the monthly un -employment figures always improve How does that work then?
[quote][p][bold]openallhours[/bold] wrote: Wonderful, yet another major employer dumping on York workers (Norwich Union, Nestle, Railway and not to mention The Press etc etc...). No need to worry though as no doubt we'll be getting another posh supermarket or fast food restaurant soon. What a joke![/p][/quote]yet our beloved MP and so called Unions do nothing whilst York becomes a dead city "Yet" somehow the monthly un -employment figures always improve How does that work then? Mork

3:50pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Tim Cronin says...

I scared my postman today by going to the door completely naked.
I'm not sure what scared him more though, my naked body or the fact that I knew where he lived.
I scared my postman today by going to the door completely naked. I'm not sure what scared him more though, my naked body or the fact that I knew where he lived. Tim Cronin

4:10pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Old_Man says...

oswaldcobblepot wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!
Well if in the time it took you to walk two feet the postman was able to post the letter, walk to his bike, get on it and cycle off and of hearing reach then I think the postman might not be the one with problems!
That would be true, had I spotted the card immediately instead of it being in the middle of the bundle of mail. Thanks for your valuable input anyway ;-)
[quote][p][bold]oswaldcobblepot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means![/p][/quote]Well if in the time it took you to walk two feet the postman was able to post the letter, walk to his bike, get on it and cycle off and of hearing reach then I think the postman might not be the one with problems![/p][/quote]That would be true, had I spotted the card immediately instead of it being in the middle of the bundle of mail. Thanks for your valuable input anyway ;-) Old_Man

4:29pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future?
The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc
Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!
Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future? The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do! Older Sometimes Wiser

4:37pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Garrowby Turnoff says...

I don't see why they need a big sorting office when 75% of my mail is junk advertising and fliers. Even when a house is unoccupied a load of paperwork piles up underneath the letterbox.
I don't see why they need a big sorting office when 75% of my mail is junk advertising and fliers. Even when a house is unoccupied a load of paperwork piles up underneath the letterbox. Garrowby Turnoff

4:39pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Yorkie41 says...

oswaldcobblepot wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!
Well if in the time it took you to walk two feet the postman was able to post the letter, walk to his bike, get on it and cycle off and of hearing reach then I think the postman might not be the one with problems!
before you say silly things, read what oswaldcobblepot was saying, some people only read the first bit of anything then start working themselves up.
[quote][p][bold]oswaldcobblepot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means![/p][/quote]Well if in the time it took you to walk two feet the postman was able to post the letter, walk to his bike, get on it and cycle off and of hearing reach then I think the postman might not be the one with problems![/p][/quote]before you say silly things, read what oswaldcobblepot was saying, some people only read the first bit of anything then start working themselves up. Yorkie41

4:57pm Tue 22 Jan 13

hustler says...

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future?
The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc
Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!
If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe).

Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future? The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do![/p][/quote]If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe). Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose. hustler

5:23pm Tue 22 Jan 13

bloodaxe says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
blithering idiot hepworth.we re losing our long established central sorting and collecting office and he s wittering about some knackered old pushbikes.york is swiftly becoming a joke,most of our manufacturing industries have gone,central york and acomb are now full of empty shops and all we re left with is tourism.york is one big disneyland and the residents are surplus to requirement,unpaid extras only useful for contributing taxes.
Rubbish. Of course York isn't full of empty shops. Use your eyes and look up the stats. As for tourism, what's wrong with that ? Don't you ever travel ? Daft question; of course you don't.
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: blithering idiot hepworth.we re losing our long established central sorting and collecting office and he s wittering about some knackered old pushbikes.york is swiftly becoming a joke,most of our manufacturing industries have gone,central york and acomb are now full of empty shops and all we re left with is tourism.york is one big disneyland and the residents are surplus to requirement,unpaid extras only useful for contributing taxes.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. Of course York isn't full of empty shops. Use your eyes and look up the stats. As for tourism, what's wrong with that ? Don't you ever travel ? Daft question; of course you don't. bloodaxe

5:27pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Platform9 says...

hustler wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote: Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future? The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!
If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe). Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.
Why cant Lendal Post Office be the collection point?
[quote][p][bold]hustler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future? The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do![/p][/quote]If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe). Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.[/p][/quote]Why cant Lendal Post Office be the collection point? Platform9

5:44pm Tue 22 Jan 13

bob the builder says...

Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.
.. not the day he doesn't realise someone has taken his saddle off and he gets the tube instead of a bike ride?
[quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.[/p][/quote].. not the day he doesn't realise someone has taken his saddle off and he gets the tube instead of a bike ride? bob the builder

5:46pm Tue 22 Jan 13

bob the builder says...

... another potential development site for undevelopment... or I could short term lease it and run a car park within walking distance of town - but that wouldn't work, everyone parks on the double yellow lines outside knowing that in 20 years no one has ever got a ticket!
... another potential development site for undevelopment... or I could short term lease it and run a car park within walking distance of town - but that wouldn't work, everyone parks on the double yellow lines outside knowing that in 20 years no one has ever got a ticket! bob the builder

6:33pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Yorkborneinbse says...

pedalling paul wrote:
What will they do with all the postie's bikes.....? Despite the attempts of Royal Mail to end cycle delivery, it seems to be going strong locally, helping to keep York's roads moving.

And in London, rival firm TNT have begun to experiment with pedal powered deliveries.....

Wheels really do turn full circle.
You really are one obnoxious, nauseating individual. In your quest to offer a contribution on here, to anything and everything, and woven in between your inane ramblings, is the usual claptrap references to cycles, cycling, pedal power, cycle lanes.

You may come back with references to 'laying the bait', for my type of response, well its worked. Your neither funny, informed or respected. Missing the major point of this article, the loss of 157 jobs has passed you by.

To summarise, one obnoxious, nauseating individual.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: What will they do with all the postie's bikes.....? Despite the attempts of Royal Mail to end cycle delivery, it seems to be going strong locally, helping to keep York's roads moving. And in London, rival firm TNT have begun to experiment with pedal powered deliveries..... Wheels really do turn full circle.[/p][/quote]You really are one obnoxious, nauseating individual. In your quest to offer a contribution on here, to anything and everything, and woven in between your inane ramblings, is the usual claptrap references to cycles, cycling, pedal power, cycle lanes. You may come back with references to 'laying the bait', for my type of response, well its worked. Your neither funny, informed or respected. Missing the major point of this article, the loss of 157 jobs [did you skip that part?] has passed you by. To summarise, one obnoxious, nauseating individual. Yorkborneinbse

7:01pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Trustmeiknoweverything&every1 says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
blithering idiot hepworth.we re losing our long established central sorting and collecting office and he s wittering about some knackered old pushbikes.york is swiftly becoming a joke,most of our manufacturing industries have gone,central york and acomb are now full of empty shops and all we re left with is tourism.york is one big disneyland and the residents are surplus to requirement,unpaid extras only useful for contributing taxes.
Could'nt have said it any better myself!

Think what your saying though...
No manufacturing jobs, empty shops, bored men, hungry men, lonely men

Soon becomes an intresting recipe for the authority's to deal with..

Take it the christmas temp jobs are out of the window now then at this office because that was a big line up for yorks work. Getting in at that post office. Carnt re-call how many times job centre have mention that hole to me!

i mean majority of leeman road people work there! owell give them sumat to chat about in jubilee! or leeman.

Think i mite take a walk down minster and listen to some guy playing his guitar
PEACE
much love x x
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: blithering idiot hepworth.we re losing our long established central sorting and collecting office and he s wittering about some knackered old pushbikes.york is swiftly becoming a joke,most of our manufacturing industries have gone,central york and acomb are now full of empty shops and all we re left with is tourism.york is one big disneyland and the residents are surplus to requirement,unpaid extras only useful for contributing taxes.[/p][/quote]Could'nt have said it any better myself! Think what your saying though... No manufacturing jobs, empty shops, bored men, hungry men, lonely men Soon becomes an intresting recipe for the authority's to deal with.. Take it the christmas temp jobs are out of the window now then at this office because that was a big line up for yorks work. Getting in at that post office. Carnt re-call how many times job centre have mention that hole to me! i mean majority of leeman road people work there! owell give them sumat to chat about in jubilee! or leeman. Think i mite take a walk down minster and listen to some guy playing his guitar PEACE much love x x Trustmeiknoweverything&every1

7:09pm Tue 22 Jan 13

desmond tiblets says...

Again real jobs been lost,whilst York is apparently booming.
Again real jobs been lost,whilst York is apparently booming. desmond tiblets

7:12pm Tue 22 Jan 13

JHardacre says...

I would just like to say that our postwoman is a gem.

Seeing me returning home as she was returning to the sorting office at the end of her shift with a large parcel meant for me, she turned her van around, drove the half mile behind me and handed me the parcel as I was opening my front door. All this with a cheery smile and a "thought I'd save you the trip into town to collect it". Service above and beyond the call of duty. Brilliant!
I would just like to say that our postwoman is a gem. Seeing me returning home as she was returning to the sorting office at the end of her shift with a large parcel meant for me, she turned her van around, drove the half mile behind me and handed me the parcel as I was opening my front door. All this with a cheery smile and a "thought I'd save you the trip into town to collect it". Service above and beyond the call of duty. Brilliant! JHardacre

7:46pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Paul Meoff says...

Less volume to process so less sorting offices needed. Hardly rocket science.

There is a certain irony with moaning about this on an internet forum. If everyone who had a whinge wrote it on a piece of paper, put it in an envelope, stuck a stamp on and took it to a post box and sent it to the Evening Press
then there may be a demand for more sorting offices.

It's called progress. How much stuff that comes through the letter box could be emailed. Probably 75% plus.
Less volume to process so less sorting offices needed. Hardly rocket science. There is a certain irony with moaning about this on an internet forum. If everyone who had a whinge wrote it on a piece of paper, put it in an envelope, stuck a stamp on and took it to a post box and sent it to the Evening Press then there may be a demand for more sorting offices. It's called progress. How much stuff that comes through the letter box could be emailed. Probably 75% plus. Paul Meoff

7:48pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Paul Meoff says...

bob the builder wrote:
Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.
.. not the day he doesn't realise someone has taken his saddle off and he gets the tube instead of a bike ride?
Sounds like the voice of perverted experience extolling previous pleasures.
[quote][p][bold]bob the builder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.[/p][/quote].. not the day he doesn't realise someone has taken his saddle off and he gets the tube instead of a bike ride?[/p][/quote]Sounds like the voice of perverted experience extolling previous pleasures. Paul Meoff

8:15pm Tue 22 Jan 13

ReginaldBiscuit says...

Yorkie41 wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!
Not like the old days, posties used to go out of their way to help. in my opinion if this packet was to big to be delivered by the postman then it should have been delivered on a van with other large packets., the system seems to have gone down here or some one is being very lazy, give them a ring and tell them that they are willfully delaying your mail.
I worked as a postman at Leeman Road back in the early nineties after graduating from university. I was on YO1 deliveries and thoroughly enjoyed my time there (The pay stank - £96 for a 6 day week). Fast forward to the present day and after talking to a friend who has worked there for over a year now, I have concerns, much like this sorting office closure gives me concerns. Let me list a few generic beefs and hopefully, the well-paid Royal Mail senior management 'team' may read and understand them. Given the decisions they make though, it is highly questionable if they possess good literacy and comprehension skills.

1. Delivery time - WTF has gone on here??? My mail is now randomly delivered by a different being everyday between the hours of 2 and 4.

2. The utter crap that gets shoved through my letterbox - I live in the world of the internet. If it's a catalogue, I don't want it. If it's a flyer for Sky, I don't want it. If it's any corporate advertising services, I don't want it. Get it? I DON't WANT IT! Parcels and letters please.

3. Which moron ran a piece of software which calculated that postal round sizes should be doubled, recalculated the routes without with no regard for logic and came up with the statistic that post-postpeople should walk at 4mph carrying large Kg bags?


4. Staff turnover - Royal Mail has a high staff turnover. Factor in the above and below and go figure.

5. Senior Management - And here it isn't just the Royal Mail, we are talking about a generation of middle and senior managers, CEO's and boards who would turn up holding a battered sausage to a Taleban gun fight.

One of the biggest modern day problems with the UK is management. Spineless 'yes men', egomaniacs, backstabbers, sycophants, brown-nosers and jobsworths. People who bottleneck and cause problems with every event due to the simple fact that they cannot 'manage' people or processes. The public sector has them, hell, so does the private sector (they're called bankers). Well-paid soft-palmed office monkeys who have 'meetings' and nice salaries and this brings me full circle. It's people like this who are ruining the post office. The post office used to work well and it's the management who are wrecking it. The closure of Leeman Road sorting is yet another ill-thought out management decision.

I'll be getting my mail delivered at midnight soon. Oh well....
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means![/p][/quote]Not like the old days, posties used to go out of their way to help. in my opinion if this packet was to big to be delivered by the postman then it should have been delivered on a van with other large packets., the system seems to have gone down here or some one is being very lazy, give them a ring and tell them that they are willfully delaying your mail.[/p][/quote]I worked as a postman at Leeman Road back in the early nineties after graduating from university. I was on YO1 deliveries and thoroughly enjoyed my time there (The pay stank - £96 for a 6 day week). Fast forward to the present day and after talking to a friend who has worked there for over a year now, I have concerns, much like this sorting office closure gives me concerns. Let me list a few generic beefs and hopefully, the well-paid Royal Mail senior management 'team' may read and understand them. Given the decisions they make though, it is highly questionable if they possess good literacy and comprehension skills. 1. Delivery time - WTF has gone on here??? My mail is now randomly delivered by a different being everyday between the hours of 2 and 4. 2. The utter crap that gets shoved through my letterbox - I live in the world of the internet. If it's a catalogue, I don't want it. If it's a flyer for Sky, I don't want it. If it's any corporate advertising services, I don't want it. Get it? I DON't WANT IT! Parcels and letters please. 3. Which moron ran a piece of software which calculated that postal round sizes should be doubled, recalculated the routes without with no regard for logic and came up with the statistic that post-postpeople should walk at 4mph carrying large Kg bags? 4. Staff turnover - Royal Mail has a high staff turnover. Factor in the above and below and go figure. 5. Senior Management - And here it isn't just the Royal Mail, we are talking about a generation of middle and senior managers, CEO's and boards who would turn up holding a battered sausage to a Taleban gun fight. One of the biggest modern day problems with the UK is management. Spineless 'yes men', egomaniacs, backstabbers, sycophants, brown-nosers and jobsworths. People who bottleneck and cause problems with every event due to the simple fact that they cannot 'manage' people or processes. The public sector has them, hell, so does the private sector (they're called bankers). Well-paid soft-palmed office monkeys who have 'meetings' and nice salaries and this brings me full circle. It's people like this who are ruining the post office. The post office used to work well and it's the management who are wrecking it. The closure of Leeman Road sorting is yet another ill-thought out management decision. I'll be getting my mail delivered at midnight soon. Oh well.... ReginaldBiscuit

9:15pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Yorkie41 says...

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
Yorkie41 wrote:
Old_Man wrote:
I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means!
Not like the old days, posties used to go out of their way to help. in my opinion if this packet was to big to be delivered by the postman then it should have been delivered on a van with other large packets., the system seems to have gone down here or some one is being very lazy, give them a ring and tell them that they are willfully delaying your mail.
I worked as a postman at Leeman Road back in the early nineties after graduating from university. I was on YO1 deliveries and thoroughly enjoyed my time there (The pay stank - £96 for a 6 day week). Fast forward to the present day and after talking to a friend who has worked there for over a year now, I have concerns, much like this sorting office closure gives me concerns. Let me list a few generic beefs and hopefully, the well-paid Royal Mail senior management 'team' may read and understand them. Given the decisions they make though, it is highly questionable if they possess good literacy and comprehension skills.

1. Delivery time - WTF has gone on here??? My mail is now randomly delivered by a different being everyday between the hours of 2 and 4.

2. The utter crap that gets shoved through my letterbox - I live in the world of the internet. If it's a catalogue, I don't want it. If it's a flyer for Sky, I don't want it. If it's any corporate advertising services, I don't want it. Get it? I DON't WANT IT! Parcels and letters please.

3. Which moron ran a piece of software which calculated that postal round sizes should be doubled, recalculated the routes without with no regard for logic and came up with the statistic that post-postpeople should walk at 4mph carrying large Kg bags?


4. Staff turnover - Royal Mail has a high staff turnover. Factor in the above and below and go figure.

5. Senior Management - And here it isn't just the Royal Mail, we are talking about a generation of middle and senior managers, CEO's and boards who would turn up holding a battered sausage to a Taleban gun fight.

One of the biggest modern day problems with the UK is management. Spineless 'yes men', egomaniacs, backstabbers, sycophants, brown-nosers and jobsworths. People who bottleneck and cause problems with every event due to the simple fact that they cannot 'manage' people or processes. The public sector has them, hell, so does the private sector (they're called bankers). Well-paid soft-palmed office monkeys who have 'meetings' and nice salaries and this brings me full circle. It's people like this who are ruining the post office. The post office used to work well and it's the management who are wrecking it. The closure of Leeman Road sorting is yet another ill-thought out management decision.

I'll be getting my mail delivered at midnight soon. Oh well....
I could not have put it any better myself ReginaldBiscuit, another thing is Royal mail is delivering for firms like TNT and other firms and getting pea nuts for doing it. if you look at your mail today you will find very few items have a stamp on them.In my opinion Royal Mail has gone Backward over the last 20 or so , maybe they should go back to employing ex Military personnel as there will soon be plenty of them looking for employment.
[quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old_Man[/bold] wrote: I don't feel sorry for the postmen at all. Only this morning I was standing two feet from my front door when I heard the post being delivered. Included in my bundle was a red card saying that a packet was too large to deliver and that I'd need to go to Leeman Ro.... opps, no... COPMANTHORPE to collect it. Now had the postman actually knocked on the door I could have taken it, but the lazy git couldn't be bothered and just posted the card. By the time I'd opened the front door he was already cycling off into the distance. This is not the first time this has happened by any means![/p][/quote]Not like the old days, posties used to go out of their way to help. in my opinion if this packet was to big to be delivered by the postman then it should have been delivered on a van with other large packets., the system seems to have gone down here or some one is being very lazy, give them a ring and tell them that they are willfully delaying your mail.[/p][/quote]I worked as a postman at Leeman Road back in the early nineties after graduating from university. I was on YO1 deliveries and thoroughly enjoyed my time there (The pay stank - £96 for a 6 day week). Fast forward to the present day and after talking to a friend who has worked there for over a year now, I have concerns, much like this sorting office closure gives me concerns. Let me list a few generic beefs and hopefully, the well-paid Royal Mail senior management 'team' may read and understand them. Given the decisions they make though, it is highly questionable if they possess good literacy and comprehension skills. 1. Delivery time - WTF has gone on here??? My mail is now randomly delivered by a different being everyday between the hours of 2 and 4. 2. The utter crap that gets shoved through my letterbox - I live in the world of the internet. If it's a catalogue, I don't want it. If it's a flyer for Sky, I don't want it. If it's any corporate advertising services, I don't want it. Get it? I DON't WANT IT! Parcels and letters please. 3. Which moron ran a piece of software which calculated that postal round sizes should be doubled, recalculated the routes without with no regard for logic and came up with the statistic that post-postpeople should walk at 4mph carrying large Kg bags? 4. Staff turnover - Royal Mail has a high staff turnover. Factor in the above and below and go figure. 5. Senior Management - And here it isn't just the Royal Mail, we are talking about a generation of middle and senior managers, CEO's and boards who would turn up holding a battered sausage to a Taleban gun fight. One of the biggest modern day problems with the UK is management. Spineless 'yes men', egomaniacs, backstabbers, sycophants, brown-nosers and jobsworths. People who bottleneck and cause problems with every event due to the simple fact that they cannot 'manage' people or processes. The public sector has them, hell, so does the private sector (they're called bankers). Well-paid soft-palmed office monkeys who have 'meetings' and nice salaries and this brings me full circle. It's people like this who are ruining the post office. The post office used to work well and it's the management who are wrecking it. The closure of Leeman Road sorting is yet another ill-thought out management decision. I'll be getting my mail delivered at midnight soon. Oh well....[/p][/quote]I could not have put it any better myself ReginaldBiscuit, another thing is Royal mail is delivering for firms like TNT and other firms and getting pea nuts for doing it. if you look at your mail today you will find very few items have a stamp on them.In my opinion Royal Mail has gone Backward over the last 20 or so , maybe they should go back to employing ex Military personnel as there will soon be plenty of them looking for employment. Yorkie41

9:34pm Tue 22 Jan 13

The Junkyard Angel says...

I used to know a few PO management types, nice people but most of them had to take their shoes and socks off to count to 20 !

'Backstabbers' and 'yes men' does seem to ring a bell in my experience!
I used to know a few PO management types, nice people but most of them had to take their shoes and socks off to count to 20 ! 'Backstabbers' and 'yes men' does seem to ring a bell in my experience! The Junkyard Angel

10:11pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Zetkin wrote:
Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").
Indeed it is, but I suspect you know as well as I do that it's far more likely to be earmarked for more luxury riverside apartments aka block of yuppie flats, replete with howls of anguish from the building industry lest some poor people get in and reduce the profit.
Doubt it - maybe too close to railway line ?

Hopefully JRHT or Council will buy it for affordable/social/co
uncil housing.
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").[/p][/quote]Indeed it is, but I suspect you know as well as I do that it's far more likely to be earmarked for more luxury riverside apartments aka block of yuppie flats, replete with howls of anguish from the building industry lest some poor people get in and reduce the profit.[/p][/quote]Doubt it - maybe too close to railway line ? Hopefully JRHT or Council will buy it for affordable/social/co uncil housing. Scarlet Pimpernel

10:19pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

157 jobs LOST !

Where are Bayley and Alexander with their jobs and growth agenda ?

Too busy gushing over a bloody bike race starting in York for one day - big deal ? NOT !
157 jobs LOST ! Where are Bayley and Alexander with their jobs and growth agenda ? Too busy gushing over a bloody bike race starting in York for one day - big deal ? NOT ! Scarlet Pimpernel

11:20pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Hoofarted says...

Another Tory Coalition cut back in action. And more **** from Mr Laverack i see
Another Tory Coalition cut back in action. And more **** from Mr Laverack i see Hoofarted

3:58am Wed 23 Jan 13

Magicman! says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").
Originally I would have agreed.... however there's one major problem: traffic. Afternoon peak traffic from about 3pm until roughly 6pm along Leeman Road and over Lendal Bridge is a nightmare. It can take a bus 45 minutes to get from the NRM to the bottom of Lendal Bridge. With a transport interchange there if the current road layout was kept we would be looking at every bus going across the crossroads and then having to turn right into the interchange, and on the way out it'd then have to go all the way around the gyratory before carrying on to the station and acomb direction. Including dwell time at a stand, you'd be looking at about 12 minutes extra time between St Lenoards Place/Rougier Street and the train station in normal traffic - in the afternoon peak you're looking at 30-40 minutes extra time.

If there was a silver bullet to get rid of all the cars causing this congestion then a bus station there would be good, as it could have a completely covered walkway right into the train station, maybe even with lifts for wheelchairs and buggies. The only solution I have would be to redirect all traffic along Nunnery Lane and over Skeldergate Bridge, Paragon Street, Foss Islands, Lord Mayors Walk - with traffic lights retimed to give priority to these roads - and have ANPR cameras monitoring the whole roadways between Lendal Bridge and Queen Street so anybody 'passing through' that's not a delivery vehicle gets a ticket but anybody going in and coming out the same way (ie to drop somebody off at the train station) does not get a ticket.
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").[/p][/quote]Originally I would have agreed.... however there's one major problem: traffic. Afternoon peak traffic from about 3pm until roughly 6pm along Leeman Road and over Lendal Bridge is a nightmare. It can take a bus 45 minutes to get from the NRM to the bottom of Lendal Bridge. With a transport interchange there if the current road layout was kept we would be looking at every bus going across the crossroads and then having to turn right into the interchange, and on the way out it'd then have to go all the way around the gyratory before carrying on to the station and acomb direction. Including dwell time at a stand, you'd be looking at about 12 minutes extra time between St Lenoards Place/Rougier Street and the train station in normal traffic - in the afternoon peak you're looking at 30-40 minutes extra time. If there was a silver bullet to get rid of all the cars causing this congestion then a bus station there would be good, as it could have a completely covered walkway right into the train station, maybe even with lifts for wheelchairs and buggies. The only solution I have would be to redirect all traffic along Nunnery Lane and over Skeldergate Bridge, Paragon Street, Foss Islands, Lord Mayors Walk - with traffic lights retimed to give priority to these roads - and have ANPR cameras monitoring the whole roadways between Lendal Bridge and Queen Street so anybody 'passing through' that's not a delivery vehicle gets a ticket but anybody going in and coming out the same way (ie to drop somebody off at the train station) does not get a ticket. Magicman!

6:29am Wed 23 Jan 13

Caecilius says...

hustler wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future?
The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc
Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!
If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe).

Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.
Yes, having trekked out to Birch Park a couple of times, it is inconvenient - particularly given the restricted opening hours. A central location, such as Leeman Road, would make far more sense if Royal Mail's primary concern was to provide decent customer service. This isn't unique to York, of course: it's now normal for mail collection points to be in inconvenient, out of the way locations on trading estates away from town centres.

And yes, there is a facility to have mail redelivered to your local post office - and Royal Mail, not all that long ago, tripled the charge from 50p to £1.50. Just the way to win your customer's heart, if you've actually made no attempt to deliver their package (i.e. left it at the office and come along with a card to stick through their door) and are now asking them to pay a second time when they've already paid for the item to be delivered to their house. In those circumstances, it comes perilously close to fraud.

I would stress that it's the system to blame, not postmen. Some at least go out of their way to help by leaving packages with neighbours if you're out or, if practical, in a safe place outside your house.
[quote][p][bold]hustler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future? The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do![/p][/quote]If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe). Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yes, having trekked out to Birch Park a couple of times, it is inconvenient - particularly given the restricted opening hours. A central location, such as Leeman Road, would make far more sense if Royal Mail's primary concern was to provide decent customer service. This isn't unique to York, of course: it's now normal for mail collection points to be in inconvenient, out of the way locations on trading estates away from town centres. And yes, there is a facility to have mail redelivered to your local post office - and Royal Mail, not all that long ago, tripled the charge from 50p to £1.50. Just the way to win your customer's heart, if you've actually made no attempt to deliver their package (i.e. left it at the office and come along with a card to stick through their door) and are now asking them to pay a second time when they've already paid for the item to be delivered to their house. In those circumstances, it comes perilously close to fraud. I would stress that it's the system to blame, not postmen. Some at least go out of their way to help by leaving packages with neighbours if you're out or, if practical, in a safe place outside your house. Caecilius

6:57am Wed 23 Jan 13

Paul Meoff says...

Caecilius wrote:
hustler wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future?
The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc
Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!
If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe).

Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.
Yes, having trekked out to Birch Park a couple of times, it is inconvenient - particularly given the restricted opening hours. A central location, such as Leeman Road, would make far more sense if Royal Mail's primary concern was to provide decent customer service. This isn't unique to York, of course: it's now normal for mail collection points to be in inconvenient, out of the way locations on trading estates away from town centres.

And yes, there is a facility to have mail redelivered to your local post office - and Royal Mail, not all that long ago, tripled the charge from 50p to £1.50. Just the way to win your customer's heart, if you've actually made no attempt to deliver their package (i.e. left it at the office and come along with a card to stick through their door) and are now asking them to pay a second time when they've already paid for the item to be delivered to their house. In those circumstances, it comes perilously close to fraud.

I would stress that it's the system to blame, not postmen. Some at least go out of their way to help by leaving packages with neighbours if you're out or, if practical, in a safe place outside your house.
If a card is left without an attempt to deliver a package then it is not the system at fault. Unless you mean the system is failing to detect workshy slackers who should be dismissed.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hustler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future? The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do![/p][/quote]If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe). Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yes, having trekked out to Birch Park a couple of times, it is inconvenient - particularly given the restricted opening hours. A central location, such as Leeman Road, would make far more sense if Royal Mail's primary concern was to provide decent customer service. This isn't unique to York, of course: it's now normal for mail collection points to be in inconvenient, out of the way locations on trading estates away from town centres. And yes, there is a facility to have mail redelivered to your local post office - and Royal Mail, not all that long ago, tripled the charge from 50p to £1.50. Just the way to win your customer's heart, if you've actually made no attempt to deliver their package (i.e. left it at the office and come along with a card to stick through their door) and are now asking them to pay a second time when they've already paid for the item to be delivered to their house. In those circumstances, it comes perilously close to fraud. I would stress that it's the system to blame, not postmen. Some at least go out of their way to help by leaving packages with neighbours if you're out or, if practical, in a safe place outside your house.[/p][/quote]If a card is left without an attempt to deliver a package then it is not the system at fault. Unless you mean the system is failing to detect workshy slackers who should be dismissed. Paul Meoff

8:23am Wed 23 Jan 13

xtc says...

Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.
Now kids play nice!
[quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.[/p][/quote]Now kids play nice! xtc

8:27am Wed 23 Jan 13

xtc says...

Does it mean my postie can stop delivering the well sorted recycling now? Hurray,suit my lazy ex wife to lose her job more time for sitting on benefits for her!
Does it mean my postie can stop delivering the well sorted recycling now? Hurray,suit my lazy ex wife to lose her job more time for sitting on benefits for her! xtc

9:09am Wed 23 Jan 13

dodgydavereturns says...

Osbaldwick Lad wrote:
I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.
You won't see that day.... He does it at night!
[quote][p][bold]Osbaldwick Lad[/bold] wrote: I am looking forward to the day when Paul sits on the end of his bike pump instead of his saddle.[/p][/quote]You won't see that day.... He does it at night! dodgydavereturns

12:46pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Mr Udigawa says...

Anotherslownewsday wrote:
yorkiemum wrote: PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story
Do you ever get the feeling that Pedalling Paul is twisting your melons.
He kettles my Swede.
[quote][p][bold]Anotherslownewsday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: PP why do you have to make every thread about cycling for goodness sake give it a rest!! This is about people losing their jobs not about bikes!! you are obviously retired and don't rely on a job as you don't seem to care or give a monkeys about this story[/p][/quote]Do you ever get the feeling that Pedalling Paul is twisting your melons.[/p][/quote]He kettles my Swede. Mr Udigawa

2:20pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

Rather than all these anecdotal often irrelevant posts, I suggest that some of the regular bloggers here raise this as formal complaint /issue with their Ward Councillor as I have!
A working democracy requires information, reaction and action on the part of the electorate.......Hot air in this context doesnt help.
Rather than all these anecdotal often irrelevant posts, I suggest that some of the regular bloggers here raise this as formal complaint /issue with their Ward Councillor as I have! A working democracy requires information, reaction and action on the part of the electorate.......Hot air in this context doesnt help. Older Sometimes Wiser

2:43pm Wed 23 Jan 13

brahma says...

Caecilius wrote:
hustler wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future?
The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc
Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!
If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe).

Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.
Yes, having trekked out to Birch Park a couple of times, it is inconvenient - particularly given the restricted opening hours. A central location, such as Leeman Road, would make far more sense if Royal Mail's primary concern was to provide decent customer service. This isn't unique to York, of course: it's now normal for mail collection points to be in inconvenient, out of the way locations on trading estates away from town centres.

And yes, there is a facility to have mail redelivered to your local post office - and Royal Mail, not all that long ago, tripled the charge from 50p to £1.50. Just the way to win your customer's heart, if you've actually made no attempt to deliver their package (i.e. left it at the office and come along with a card to stick through their door) and are now asking them to pay a second time when they've already paid for the item to be delivered to their house. In those circumstances, it comes perilously close to fraud.

I would stress that it's the system to blame, not postmen. Some at least go out of their way to help by leaving packages with neighbours if you're out or, if practical, in a safe place outside your house.
I just re-read the above article and it makes no mention of the collection office moving or of the whole site being lost. The delivery office for the postcodes currently served by Leeman Road remains at Leeman Road and so therefore should personal collections for these as they are part of the delivery process. It would be really good if people read the whole piece before commenting.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hustler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future? The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do![/p][/quote]If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe). Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yes, having trekked out to Birch Park a couple of times, it is inconvenient - particularly given the restricted opening hours. A central location, such as Leeman Road, would make far more sense if Royal Mail's primary concern was to provide decent customer service. This isn't unique to York, of course: it's now normal for mail collection points to be in inconvenient, out of the way locations on trading estates away from town centres. And yes, there is a facility to have mail redelivered to your local post office - and Royal Mail, not all that long ago, tripled the charge from 50p to £1.50. Just the way to win your customer's heart, if you've actually made no attempt to deliver their package (i.e. left it at the office and come along with a card to stick through their door) and are now asking them to pay a second time when they've already paid for the item to be delivered to their house. In those circumstances, it comes perilously close to fraud. I would stress that it's the system to blame, not postmen. Some at least go out of their way to help by leaving packages with neighbours if you're out or, if practical, in a safe place outside your house.[/p][/quote]I just re-read the above article and it makes no mention of the collection office moving or of the whole site being lost. The delivery office for the postcodes currently served by Leeman Road remains at Leeman Road and so therefore should personal collections for these as they are part of the delivery process. It would be really good if people read the whole piece before commenting. brahma

2:48pm Wed 23 Jan 13

brahma says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Zetkin wrote:
Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").
Indeed it is, but I suspect you know as well as I do that it's far more likely to be earmarked for more luxury riverside apartments aka block of yuppie flats, replete with howls of anguish from the building industry lest some poor people get in and reduce the profit.
Doubt it - maybe too close to railway line ?

Hopefully JRHT or Council will buy it for affordable/social/co

uncil housing.
Scarcely. Try reading the article and you'll see that it is destined to remain the delivery office. Only part of the building is used as a sorting office.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: At last: an ideal site for York's new bus station... (er, "transport interchange").[/p][/quote]Indeed it is, but I suspect you know as well as I do that it's far more likely to be earmarked for more luxury riverside apartments aka block of yuppie flats, replete with howls of anguish from the building industry lest some poor people get in and reduce the profit.[/p][/quote]Doubt it - maybe too close to railway line ? Hopefully JRHT or Council will buy it for affordable/social/co uncil housing.[/p][/quote]Scarcely. Try reading the article and you'll see that it is destined to remain the delivery office. Only part of the building is used as a sorting office. brahma

3:57pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Yorkie41 says...

brahma wrote:
Caecilius wrote:
hustler wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future?
The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc
Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do!
If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe).

Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.
Yes, having trekked out to Birch Park a couple of times, it is inconvenient - particularly given the restricted opening hours. A central location, such as Leeman Road, would make far more sense if Royal Mail's primary concern was to provide decent customer service. This isn't unique to York, of course: it's now normal for mail collection points to be in inconvenient, out of the way locations on trading estates away from town centres.

And yes, there is a facility to have mail redelivered to your local post office - and Royal Mail, not all that long ago, tripled the charge from 50p to £1.50. Just the way to win your customer's heart, if you've actually made no attempt to deliver their package (i.e. left it at the office and come along with a card to stick through their door) and are now asking them to pay a second time when they've already paid for the item to be delivered to their house. In those circumstances, it comes perilously close to fraud.

I would stress that it's the system to blame, not postmen. Some at least go out of their way to help by leaving packages with neighbours if you're out or, if practical, in a safe place outside your house.
I just re-read the above article and it makes no mention of the collection office moving or of the whole site being lost. The delivery office for the postcodes currently served by Leeman Road remains at Leeman Road and so therefore should personal collections for these as they are part of the delivery process. It would be really good if people read the whole piece before commenting.
My sentiments from earlier part of this story, people only read the first part of a story then create hell.
[quote][p][bold]brahma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hustler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: Can we have factual information on where undelivered or under stamped mail may be collected in future? The suggestion that mail/parcels etc will no longer be able to be picked up from a central York location is crazy, This is particularly relevant for older or disabled citizens,young mothers with prams or buggies etc Can we please have an assurance from both the City Council and Royal Mail that a central easy access point in YORK will be provided. Copmanthorpe will just not do![/p][/quote]If I have to collect undelivered or under stamped mail, for at least the last decade (probably longer); I've had to go to Birch Park (off Huntington Road) to collect it rather than Leeman Road (which for the groups you've identified above, would most likely be just as inconvenient as a location in Copmanthorpe). Can requests be made for said undelivered items to be collected from a post office of your choice though ? Although this may incur a charge I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yes, having trekked out to Birch Park a couple of times, it is inconvenient - particularly given the restricted opening hours. A central location, such as Leeman Road, would make far more sense if Royal Mail's primary concern was to provide decent customer service. This isn't unique to York, of course: it's now normal for mail collection points to be in inconvenient, out of the way locations on trading estates away from town centres. And yes, there is a facility to have mail redelivered to your local post office - and Royal Mail, not all that long ago, tripled the charge from 50p to £1.50. Just the way to win your customer's heart, if you've actually made no attempt to deliver their package (i.e. left it at the office and come along with a card to stick through their door) and are now asking them to pay a second time when they've already paid for the item to be delivered to their house. In those circumstances, it comes perilously close to fraud. I would stress that it's the system to blame, not postmen. Some at least go out of their way to help by leaving packages with neighbours if you're out or, if practical, in a safe place outside your house.[/p][/quote]I just re-read the above article and it makes no mention of the collection office moving or of the whole site being lost. The delivery office for the postcodes currently served by Leeman Road remains at Leeman Road and so therefore should personal collections for these as they are part of the delivery process. It would be really good if people read the whole piece before commenting.[/p][/quote]My sentiments from earlier part of this story, people only read the first part of a story then create hell. Yorkie41

3:11pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Tim Cronin says...

My dear old Grandfather was a postman, and he enjoyed it. `It was better than waliking the streets` he used to say................
My dear old Grandfather was a postman, and he enjoyed it. `It was better than waliking the streets` he used to say................ Tim Cronin

5:37pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Yorkie41 says...

Tim Cronin wrote:
My dear old Grandfather was a postman, and he enjoyed it. `It was better than waliking the streets` he used to say................
I was there over 35 years ago it was great in those days Tim, I had many good years at Leemon Road. In those days you only got a job there if you had been an ex serviceman.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Cronin[/bold] wrote: My dear old Grandfather was a postman, and he enjoyed it. `It was better than waliking the streets` he used to say................[/p][/quote]I was there over 35 years ago it was great in those days Tim, I had many good years at Leemon Road. In those days you only got a job there if you had been an ex serviceman. Yorkie41

2:12pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Tim Cronin says...

That`s right Yorkie41, they were all ex-forces in those days. He eventually lost his job though and went to work on various farms throughout England, but oh how he craved the good life of being a postman. He met lots of his lady friends through his job, but was eventually taken by the demon drink. He was run over by a Guiness wagon........
That`s right Yorkie41, they were all ex-forces in those days. He eventually lost his job though and went to work on various farms throughout England, but oh how he craved the good life of being a postman. He met lots of his lady friends through his job, but was eventually taken by the demon drink. He was run over by a Guiness wagon........ Tim Cronin

2:45pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Yorkie41 says...

Tim Cronin wrote:
That`s right Yorkie41, they were all ex-forces in those days. He eventually lost his job though and went to work on various farms throughout England, but oh how he craved the good life of being a postman. He met lots of his lady friends through his job, but was eventually taken by the demon drink. He was run over by a Guiness wagon........
sorry to hear that Tim I must have known him, I did know in those days one or two Casanova's, the comradeship in those days was unbelievable at Leeman road.we also had our own parcel office further up Leeman road very fond memories.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Cronin[/bold] wrote: That`s right Yorkie41, they were all ex-forces in those days. He eventually lost his job though and went to work on various farms throughout England, but oh how he craved the good life of being a postman. He met lots of his lady friends through his job, but was eventually taken by the demon drink. He was run over by a Guiness wagon........[/p][/quote]sorry to hear that Tim I must have known him, I did know in those days one or two Casanova's, the comradeship in those days was unbelievable at Leeman road.we also had our own parcel office further up Leeman road very fond memories. Yorkie41

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