York councillors' travel expenses come under fire

Lib Dem councillor Nigel Ayre

Lib Dem councillor Nigel Ayre

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TRAVEL expenses for York councillors have come under fire after it emerged city leaders have taken journeys worth thousands of pounds more than official lists suggested.

The total travel costs for the current members of City of York Council’s Labour cabinet since the group won power in 2011 come to £6,015.92 – while the amount listed for all councillors through the authority’s monthly online updates during 2011/12 and 2012/13 is £943.87.

Opposition parties said it raised questions about the openness of the council in making expenses details publicly available, but council leader James Alexander said the travel was purchased through the authority, rather than directly by councillors themselves as listed monthly, for “essential” meetings.

Responses to questions lodged by Lib Dem councillor Nigel Ayre showed council leader James Alexander has taken journeys outside York costing £2,877.70 since June 2011, while travel costs for Coun Tracey Simpson-Laing, cabinet member for health, housing and adult social services were £1,468.40.

Coun Sonja Crisp took journeys totalling £669.80, and costs for Couns Julie Gunnell, Dave Merrett and David Levene were £482.62, £351.50 and £165.90 respectively.

“The key issue has always been openness, and in 2011 Labour promised to improve transparency and accountability,” said Coun Ayre, describing the current publication of expenses as “a sham”.

“Time and again, cabinet members post expense returns on the council website stating they have claimed nothing, which was clearly not the case. This is taxpayers’ money – they should be able to see when, how and why the money is spent.”

Conservative leader Coun Ian Gillies questioned why cabinet travel expenses were “diverted through other channels”, saying: “This lack of transparency is contrary to the spirit of openness which allows the public to keep track of our expenses.”

Green leader Coun Andy D’Agorne said he believed the travel was due to “promoting York’s interests” but all details should be published.

Coun Alexander said councillors did not pay for these journeys or claim costs back and he tweeted his full travel costs before Christmas, while the information was published in the council’s statement of accounts. He said this system had been in place “for many years” and York needed “a strong voice” at important meetings.

“The opposition should attack me for where and when I fail, not for having the energy to be out there batting and delivering for York, and I am sure my colleagues and I would equally be attacked for not turning up to meetings we are expected to attend,” he said.

The council said travel which is booked directly for councillors by the authority does not appear on the individual lists of members' expenses, but does appear on a monthly transparency report.

A spokeswoman said an Independent Remuneration Panel set up to look at York councillors' expenses had said it was "surprised" to see how "limited" the budget for travel outside the city was, and it felt it was "important that councillors, particularly those holding senior positions, are able to travel to promote the city and identify opportunities the city might be able to grasp". The panel also said it hoped "serious consideration will be given in relation to investment in this important area".

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9:13am Tue 22 Jan 13

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

The opposition should attack me for where and when I fail, not for having the energy to be out there batting and delivering for York,

They do, but you don't listen.
[quote]The opposition should attack me for where and when I fail, not for having the energy to be out there batting and delivering for York,[/quote] They do, but you don't listen. NoNewsIsGoodNews
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9:14am Tue 22 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

Does this include~

James Alexanders

"Essential meeting"

at the Phillipine Embassy.
Does this include~ James Alexanders "Essential meeting" at the Phillipine Embassy. capt spaulding
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9:17am Tue 22 Jan 13

meme says...

Its amazing how politicians of all colours just dont get it........All we want is to know what its costing...There are probably reasons they needed to claim but why try to hide it
No matter how much scandal occurs nothing changes despite it being obvious that trasparency is what we want NOT what appears to be secrecy as they seem to be ashamed
Its amazing how politicians of all colours just dont get it........All we want is to know what its costing...There are probably reasons they needed to claim but why try to hide it No matter how much scandal occurs nothing changes despite it being obvious that trasparency is what we want NOT what appears to be secrecy as they seem to be ashamed meme
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9:39am Tue 22 Jan 13

jorvik says...

Usual suspects I see,alexander/crisp/
laing and gunnell ripping the arse out of the tax payers
Usual suspects I see,alexander/crisp/ laing and gunnell ripping the arse out of the tax payers jorvik
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9:46am Tue 22 Jan 13

Shouter says...

Well done to Councillor Ayre for exposing this hypocrisy. Cuts have been made to essential services yet money can still be found to fund travel for certain individuals. Stinks a bit doesn't it!
Well done to Councillor Ayre for exposing this hypocrisy. Cuts have been made to essential services yet money can still be found to fund travel for certain individuals. Stinks a bit doesn't it! Shouter
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9:59am Tue 22 Jan 13

myselby says...

James and his fellow councillors have to attend meetings, thats part of the job, they are out there batting for York, and to some extent the wider region, CYC do far better than the councils that box them in
James and his fellow councillors have to attend meetings, thats part of the job, they are out there batting for York, and to some extent the wider region, CYC do far better than the councils that box them in myselby
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10:07am Tue 22 Jan 13

pedalling paul says...

How much of each Councillors expenses were mileage allowance for cycling locally on CoYC business? I'd like to learn who is setting a good example by using pedal power where possible...

.....and the more the merrier.
How much of each Councillors expenses were mileage allowance for cycling locally on CoYC business? I'd like to learn who is setting a good example by using pedal power where possible... .....and the more the merrier. pedalling paul
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10:48am Tue 22 Jan 13

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

pedalling paul wrote:
How much of each Councillors expenses were mileage allowance for cycling locally on CoYC business? I'd like to learn who is setting a good example by using pedal power where possible...

.....and the more the merrier.
I can't believe I agree with you, but I do. There are one or two cycling heroes on CoYC - councillors such as Janet Looker often to be seen battling through the elements on her bicycle in fair weather or foul - and they need to be congratulated. It's a shame that the mileage allowance on bicycles (20p/ml) isn't the same as in a car (45p/ml). If it was, it'd be very hard for our city councillors to justify driving a car around it.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: How much of each Councillors expenses were mileage allowance for cycling locally on CoYC business? I'd like to learn who is setting a good example by using pedal power where possible... .....and the more the merrier.[/p][/quote]I can't believe I agree with you, but I do. There are one or two cycling heroes on CoYC - councillors such as Janet Looker often to be seen battling through the elements on her bicycle in fair weather or foul - and they need to be congratulated. It's a shame that the mileage allowance on bicycles (20p/ml) isn't the same as in a car (45p/ml). If it was, it'd be very hard for our city councillors to justify driving a car around it. Ignatius Lumpopo
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10:50am Tue 22 Jan 13

Guy Fawkes says...

...council leader James Alexander has taken journeys outside York costing £2,877.70 since June 2011...


That's £151.45 a month. A single London meeting each month could account for that - it doesn't seem like an excessive figure to me.
[quote]...council leader James Alexander has taken journeys outside York costing £2,877.70 since June 2011...[/quote] That's £151.45 a month. A single London meeting each month could account for that - it doesn't seem like an excessive figure to me. Guy Fawkes
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10:52am Tue 22 Jan 13

R'Marcus says...

Typical. York's councillors of the fiddle, in the guise of "expenses".
Fine them and fire them.
They are stealing from the public purse.
Typical. York's councillors of the fiddle, in the guise of "expenses". Fine them and fire them. They are stealing from the public purse. R'Marcus
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10:54am Tue 22 Jan 13

R'Marcus says...

myselby wrote:
James and his fellow councillors have to attend meetings, thats part of the job, they are out there batting for York, and to some extent the wider region, CYC do far better than the councils that box them in
Get real, myselby.
They are ripping the taxpayers off.
[quote][p][bold]myselby[/bold] wrote: James and his fellow councillors have to attend meetings, thats part of the job, they are out there batting for York, and to some extent the wider region, CYC do far better than the councils that box them in[/p][/quote]Get real, myselby. They are ripping the taxpayers off. R'Marcus
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11:09am Tue 22 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

R'Marcus wrote:
myselby wrote:
James and his fellow councillors have to attend meetings, thats part of the job, they are out there batting for York, and to some extent the wider region, CYC do far better than the councils that box them in
Get real, myselby.
They are ripping the taxpayers off.
Hidden away so you can't see the First Class fares and pointless trips.
[quote][p][bold]R'Marcus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]myselby[/bold] wrote: James and his fellow councillors have to attend meetings, thats part of the job, they are out there batting for York, and to some extent the wider region, CYC do far better than the councils that box them in[/p][/quote]Get real, myselby. They are ripping the taxpayers off.[/p][/quote]Hidden away so you can't see the First Class fares and pointless trips. atorycouncil2014
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11:29am Tue 22 Jan 13

JC42 says...

I think I would like to apply to be a councillor as they get very well looked after all expenses paid for food and transport to meetings, no doubt a few dodgy dealings as well and a good salary also. Dont think im very thick skinned but I am sure I could switch off from the people and make unpopular decisions.
I think I would like to apply to be a councillor as they get very well looked after all expenses paid for food and transport to meetings, no doubt a few dodgy dealings as well and a good salary also. Dont think im very thick skinned but I am sure I could switch off from the people and make unpopular decisions. JC42
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11:44am Tue 22 Jan 13

Mulgrave says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
How much of each Councillors expenses were mileage allowance for cycling locally on CoYC business? I'd like to learn who is setting a good example by using pedal power where possible...

.....and the more the merrier.
I can't believe I agree with you, but I do. There are one or two cycling heroes on CoYC - councillors such as Janet Looker often to be seen battling through the elements on her bicycle in fair weather or foul - and they need to be congratulated. It's a shame that the mileage allowance on bicycles (20p/ml) isn't the same as in a car (45p/ml). If it was, it'd be very hard for our city councillors to justify driving a car around it.
20p per mile bicycle mileage allowance!!! ie the cyclist RECEIVES that amount, just as a councillor would receive 45p for car mileage.
I complete the self assesment return every year and claim business mileage against profit ( tools and equipment are carried in an estate car ). I claim the 45p per mile, but this means I am PAYING 36p per mile, and HMRC lets me off the ninepence.

If some of the spendthrift councillors paused for just a moment they may just begin to grasp the utter stupidity of their 'spend spend spend' ways. It didn't work for Gordon Brown and in the long run they will find it doesn't work for them.
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: How much of each Councillors expenses were mileage allowance for cycling locally on CoYC business? I'd like to learn who is setting a good example by using pedal power where possible... .....and the more the merrier.[/p][/quote]I can't believe I agree with you, but I do. There are one or two cycling heroes on CoYC - councillors such as Janet Looker often to be seen battling through the elements on her bicycle in fair weather or foul - and they need to be congratulated. It's a shame that the mileage allowance on bicycles (20p/ml) isn't the same as in a car (45p/ml). If it was, it'd be very hard for our city councillors to justify driving a car around it.[/p][/quote]20p per mile bicycle mileage allowance!!! ie the cyclist RECEIVES that amount, just as a councillor would receive 45p for car mileage. I complete the self assesment return every year and claim business mileage against profit ( tools and equipment are carried in an estate car ). I claim the 45p per mile, but this means I am PAYING 36p per mile, and HMRC lets me off the ninepence. If some of the spendthrift councillors paused for just a moment they may just begin to grasp the utter stupidity of their 'spend spend spend' ways. It didn't work for Gordon Brown and in the long run they will find it doesn't work for them. Mulgrave
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11:54am Tue 22 Jan 13

ak7274 says...

Why not be open about it before getting caught?

Just like a kid getting caught with his fingers in the sweet jar.

All I ever see from Politicians of all faiths is secrecy and when they get caught, bluster about how much they promote the City.

Snouts in Troughs.
Why not be open about it before getting caught? Just like a kid getting caught with his fingers in the sweet jar. All I ever see from Politicians of all faiths is secrecy and when they get caught, bluster about how much they promote the City. Snouts in Troughs. ak7274
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12:04pm Tue 22 Jan 13

James Alexander says...

Here is a copy of the full statement I gave to York Press: http://t.co/YMy5bheW


And here is a link to my full travel list: http://t.co/u7PN0QNL


Both were tweeted earlier today and the full list of travel was tweeted in mid December.

Feel free to ask me any questions by emailing me on cllr.jalexander(at)y
ork.gov.uk or by following me (at)jmalexander1982.


Councillor James Alexander
Leader of City of York Council
Here is a copy of the full statement I gave to York Press: http://t.co/YMy5bheW And here is a link to my full travel list: http://t.co/u7PN0QNL Both were tweeted earlier today and the full list of travel was tweeted in mid December. Feel free to ask me any questions by emailing me on cllr.jalexander(at)y ork.gov.uk or by following me (at)jmalexander1982. Councillor James Alexander Leader of City of York Council James Alexander
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12:28pm Tue 22 Jan 13

BigDog-LittleDog says...

Mulgrave wrote:
Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
How much of each Councillors expenses were mileage allowance for cycling locally on CoYC business? I'd like to learn who is setting a good example by using pedal power where possible...

.....and the more the merrier.
I can't believe I agree with you, but I do. There are one or two cycling heroes on CoYC - councillors such as Janet Looker often to be seen battling through the elements on her bicycle in fair weather or foul - and they need to be congratulated. It's a shame that the mileage allowance on bicycles (20p/ml) isn't the same as in a car (45p/ml). If it was, it'd be very hard for our city councillors to justify driving a car around it.
20p per mile bicycle mileage allowance!!! ie the cyclist RECEIVES that amount, just as a councillor would receive 45p for car mileage.
I complete the self assesment return every year and claim business mileage against profit ( tools and equipment are carried in an estate car ). I claim the 45p per mile, but this means I am PAYING 36p per mile, and HMRC lets me off the ninepence.

If some of the spendthrift councillors paused for just a moment they may just begin to grasp the utter stupidity of their 'spend spend spend' ways. It didn't work for Gordon Brown and in the long run they will find it doesn't work for them.
It would be interesting to see what constitutes the 20p/mile.

In a car, the 45p accounts for fuel, wear and tear on components, procurement in the first place, servicing, MOT, insurance. On a bike you need fuel (food, but they would need that anyway), wear and tear and procurement in the first place.

The ratio of 20:45 suggests the council believe that owning and running a bike costs half as much as a car!! I spent £21k on my car, I bet I could own and run a bike for considerably less.

Also, how do you prove mileage? The odometer is usually a good bet, are bikes now equipped with these, which are calibrated and maintained regularly? I suppose for a £9k bike it's the least I would expect.

Yet again, council throwing money away. I'm in the wrong job. We can't beat them so we must all join them. It's the only way.
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: How much of each Councillors expenses were mileage allowance for cycling locally on CoYC business? I'd like to learn who is setting a good example by using pedal power where possible... .....and the more the merrier.[/p][/quote]I can't believe I agree with you, but I do. There are one or two cycling heroes on CoYC - councillors such as Janet Looker often to be seen battling through the elements on her bicycle in fair weather or foul - and they need to be congratulated. It's a shame that the mileage allowance on bicycles (20p/ml) isn't the same as in a car (45p/ml). If it was, it'd be very hard for our city councillors to justify driving a car around it.[/p][/quote]20p per mile bicycle mileage allowance!!! ie the cyclist RECEIVES that amount, just as a councillor would receive 45p for car mileage. I complete the self assesment return every year and claim business mileage against profit ( tools and equipment are carried in an estate car ). I claim the 45p per mile, but this means I am PAYING 36p per mile, and HMRC lets me off the ninepence. If some of the spendthrift councillors paused for just a moment they may just begin to grasp the utter stupidity of their 'spend spend spend' ways. It didn't work for Gordon Brown and in the long run they will find it doesn't work for them.[/p][/quote]It would be interesting to see what constitutes the 20p/mile. In a car, the 45p accounts for fuel, wear and tear on components, procurement in the first place, servicing, MOT, insurance. On a bike you need fuel (food, but they would need that anyway), wear and tear and procurement in the first place. The ratio of 20:45 suggests the council believe that owning and running a bike costs half as much as a car!! I spent £21k on my car, I bet I could own and run a bike for considerably less. Also, how do you prove mileage? The odometer is usually a good bet, are bikes now equipped with these, which are calibrated and maintained regularly? I suppose for a £9k bike it's the least I would expect. Yet again, council throwing money away. I'm in the wrong job. We can't beat them so we must all join them. It's the only way. BigDog-LittleDog
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12:33pm Tue 22 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

James Alexander wrote:
Here is a copy of the full statement I gave to York Press: http://t.co/YMy5bheW



And here is a link to my full travel list: http://t.co/u7PN0QNL



Both were tweeted earlier today and the full list of travel was tweeted in mid December.

Feel free to ask me any questions by emailing me on cllr.jalexander(at)y

ork.gov.uk or by following me (at)jmalexander1982.



Councillor James Alexander
Leader of City of York Council
I see you travelled to Dijon on the 16th September and didnt come back until the 19th?

Who paid for your three night stay?
[quote][p][bold]James Alexander[/bold] wrote: Here is a copy of the full statement I gave to York Press: http://t.co/YMy5bheW And here is a link to my full travel list: http://t.co/u7PN0QNL Both were tweeted earlier today and the full list of travel was tweeted in mid December. Feel free to ask me any questions by emailing me on cllr.jalexander(at)y ork.gov.uk or by following me (at)jmalexander1982. Councillor James Alexander Leader of City of York Council[/p][/quote]I see you travelled to Dijon on the 16th September and didnt come back until the 19th? Who paid for your three night stay? atorycouncil2014
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12:44pm Tue 22 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

James Alexander wrote:
Here is a copy of the full statement I gave to York Press: http://t.co/YMy5bheW



And here is a link to my full travel list: http://t.co/u7PN0QNL



Both were tweeted earlier today and the full list of travel was tweeted in mid December.

Feel free to ask me any questions by emailing me on cllr.jalexander(at)y

ork.gov.uk or by following me (at)jmalexander1982.



Councillor James Alexander
Leader of City of York Council
£112 to get to Birmingham? Off Peak return is £58
[quote][p][bold]James Alexander[/bold] wrote: Here is a copy of the full statement I gave to York Press: http://t.co/YMy5bheW And here is a link to my full travel list: http://t.co/u7PN0QNL Both were tweeted earlier today and the full list of travel was tweeted in mid December. Feel free to ask me any questions by emailing me on cllr.jalexander(at)y ork.gov.uk or by following me (at)jmalexander1982. Councillor James Alexander Leader of City of York Council[/p][/quote]£112 to get to Birmingham? Off Peak return is £58 atorycouncil2014
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12:49pm Tue 22 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

atorycouncil2014 wrote:
James Alexander wrote:
Here is a copy of the full statement I gave to York Press: http://t.co/YMy5bheW




And here is a link to my full travel list: http://t.co/u7PN0QNL




Both were tweeted earlier today and the full list of travel was tweeted in mid December.

Feel free to ask me any questions by emailing me on cllr.jalexander(at)y


ork.gov.uk or by following me (at)jmalexander1982.




Councillor James Alexander
Leader of City of York Council
I see you travelled to Dijon on the 16th September and didnt come back until the 19th?

Who paid for your three night stay?
Have any previous leaders taken international travel and if so how much did that cost the tax payer?
[quote][p][bold]atorycouncil2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]James Alexander[/bold] wrote: Here is a copy of the full statement I gave to York Press: http://t.co/YMy5bheW And here is a link to my full travel list: http://t.co/u7PN0QNL Both were tweeted earlier today and the full list of travel was tweeted in mid December. Feel free to ask me any questions by emailing me on cllr.jalexander(at)y ork.gov.uk or by following me (at)jmalexander1982. Councillor James Alexander Leader of City of York Council[/p][/quote]I see you travelled to Dijon on the 16th September and didnt come back until the 19th? Who paid for your three night stay?[/p][/quote]Have any previous leaders taken international travel and if so how much did that cost the tax payer? atorycouncil2014
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1:08pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Guy Fawkes says...

£112 to get to Birmingham? Off Peak return is £58


If you're fitting business travel in around other work commitments, there are are sometimes valid reasons why you need to travel at peak times. Train companies and airlines know this, which is why they charge through the nose for it.

Nothing on that spreadsheet looks unreasonable to me.
[quote]£112 to get to Birmingham? Off Peak return is £58[/quote] If you're fitting business travel in around other work commitments, there are are sometimes valid reasons why you need to travel at peak times. Train companies and airlines know this, which is why they charge through the nose for it. Nothing on that spreadsheet looks unreasonable to me. Guy Fawkes
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2:05pm Tue 22 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

Guy Fawkes wrote:
£112 to get to Birmingham? Off Peak return is £58
If you're fitting business travel in around other work commitments, there are are sometimes valid reasons why you need to travel at peak times. Train companies and airlines know this, which is why they charge through the nose for it. Nothing on that spreadsheet looks unreasonable to me.
It was a two day conference/jolly. No newsprint travel at peak times
[quote][p][bold]Guy Fawkes[/bold] wrote: [quote]£112 to get to Birmingham? Off Peak return is £58[/quote] If you're fitting business travel in around other work commitments, there are are sometimes valid reasons why you need to travel at peak times. Train companies and airlines know this, which is why they charge through the nose for it. Nothing on that spreadsheet looks unreasonable to me.[/p][/quote]It was a two day conference/jolly. No newsprint travel at peak times atorycouncil2014
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2:52pm Tue 22 Jan 13

oi oi savaloy says...

You have to wonder what this James Alexander would be like If he was an MP? He would have a bigger expense account than huge bayley!!

And he as no shame in his claims either! Just another career politician not to be trusted , the current labour bunch are just rotten to the core!! Worse than thatchers Tories !!
You have to wonder what this James Alexander would be like If he was an MP? He would have a bigger expense account than huge bayley!! And he as no shame in his claims either! Just another career politician not to be trusted , the current labour bunch are just rotten to the core!! Worse than thatchers Tories !! oi oi savaloy
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2:58pm Tue 22 Jan 13

desmond tiblets says...

Typical labour promise what the people want to here.But everything turns out to be a sham.Just like tony Blair and his corrupt cronies.
Typical labour promise what the people want to here.But everything turns out to be a sham.Just like tony Blair and his corrupt cronies. desmond tiblets
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3:03pm Tue 22 Jan 13

perplexed says...

atorycouncil2014 wrote:
Guy Fawkes wrote:
£112 to get to Birmingham? Off Peak return is £58
If you're fitting business travel in around other work commitments, there are are sometimes valid reasons why you need to travel at peak times. Train companies and airlines know this, which is why they charge through the nose for it. Nothing on that spreadsheet looks unreasonable to me.
It was a two day conference/jolly. No newsprint travel at peak times
Shocking isn't it? Almost as bad as Tory MP Bob Stewart who refused to join a Commons visit to Pakistan last week when he was told that he and his colleagues would have to sit in 'cattle class'. According to The Mail on Sunday Col Stewart 'kicked off' and said that if that was the case, he would prefer to remain at home.

It doesn't matter which party we are talking about, all our elected representatives appear to have nothing but contempt for ordinary folk!
[quote][p][bold]atorycouncil2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy Fawkes[/bold] wrote: [quote]£112 to get to Birmingham? Off Peak return is £58[/quote] If you're fitting business travel in around other work commitments, there are are sometimes valid reasons why you need to travel at peak times. Train companies and airlines know this, which is why they charge through the nose for it. Nothing on that spreadsheet looks unreasonable to me.[/p][/quote]It was a two day conference/jolly. No newsprint travel at peak times[/p][/quote]Shocking isn't it? Almost as bad as Tory MP Bob Stewart who refused to join a Commons visit to Pakistan last week when he was told that he and his colleagues would have to sit in 'cattle class'. According to The Mail on Sunday Col Stewart 'kicked off' and said that if that was the case, he would prefer to remain at home. It doesn't matter which party we are talking about, all our elected representatives appear to have nothing but contempt for ordinary folk! perplexed
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3:47pm Tue 22 Jan 13

pedalling paul says...

James seems to have a lot of rail travel (good) car sharing (good) but no claims showing for pedal power (two wheels even more good).
James seems to have a lot of rail travel (good) car sharing (good) but no claims showing for pedal power (two wheels even more good). pedalling paul
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4:29pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

An analysis of the spreadsheet breakdown of Coun Alexander's travel expenses for the 19 months from June 2011 to December 2012, gives the following information:-

Total c.83 journeys claimed
Total Cost ; £2,877.70
Ave 4.37journeys/month
Ave monthly cost £151
Ave journey cost £35

Highest : £385.70 trip to Dijon (Sep' 12)

Trips to London
Total : 7
Total Cost : £982.20
Ave : £140.31
Lowest : £53.10
Highest : £251.50

Most surprising : Taxi to and from Sand Hutton - £35.40 !!!
An analysis of the spreadsheet breakdown of Coun Alexander's travel expenses for the 19 months from June 2011 to December 2012, gives the following information:- Total c.83 journeys claimed Total Cost ; £2,877.70 Ave 4.37journeys/month Ave monthly cost £151 Ave journey cost £35 Highest : £385.70 trip to Dijon (Sep' 12) Trips to London Total : 7 Total Cost : £982.20 Ave : £140.31 Lowest : £53.10 Highest : £251.50 Most surprising : Taxi to and from Sand Hutton - £35.40 !!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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4:38pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

The fact that over £5,000 of travel expenses are in effect undisclosed shows that the Labour administration are hiding the truth from York residents.

It's just one thing after another with this Council - mired in maladministration and mismanagement.

Millions squandered on office furniture (West Offices), and office refurbishment (James Street).

The manipulation, lying and cheating that has been exposed under the current leadership is breathtaking. The culture at York Council is anything but clear and transparent, and the level of mistrust is at an all time high.

It's time that those responsible were held to account and sent packing.
The fact that over £5,000 of travel expenses are in effect undisclosed shows that the Labour administration are hiding the truth from York residents. It's just one thing after another with this Council - mired in maladministration and mismanagement. Millions squandered on office furniture (West Offices), and office refurbishment (James Street). The manipulation, lying and cheating that has been exposed under the current leadership is breathtaking. The culture at York Council is anything but clear and transparent, and the level of mistrust is at an all time high. It's time that those responsible were held to account and sent packing. Scarlet Pimpernel
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5:03pm Tue 22 Jan 13

meme says...

I think you have to give JA credit for appearing on here.
As I stated earlier most of the journeys will be needed. He is the leader for goodness sake and needs to get places quickly and efficiently
What none of them get is saying they have claimed one ammount when other claims are made make it looks like they were deliberatly hidden to steer people away from the truth..probably an oversight but still looks bad.
His job entails travel His job does not allow him to arrive scruffy on a bike etc bnut it does not entite him to first class travel everywhere and anywhere
I doubt he has cheated but everyone is now watching what all politicians do because we dont trust them anymore...and it was their own doing because of Westminster antics and yet still they cheat and fiddle so they have to now be squeaky clean in everything or accept serious criticism...That's what this is about not the nitty gritty of how much everything combined cost.
I think you have to give JA credit for appearing on here. As I stated earlier most of the journeys will be needed. He is the leader for goodness sake and needs to get places quickly and efficiently What none of them get is saying they have claimed one ammount when other claims are made make it looks like they were deliberatly hidden to steer people away from the truth..probably an oversight but still looks bad. His job entails travel His job does not allow him to arrive scruffy on a bike etc bnut it does not entite him to first class travel everywhere and anywhere I doubt he has cheated but everyone is now watching what all politicians do because we dont trust them anymore...and it was their own doing because of Westminster antics and yet still they cheat and fiddle [in westminster in the publics eyes] so they have to now be squeaky clean in everything or accept serious criticism...That's what this is about not the nitty gritty of how much everything combined cost. meme
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5:26pm Tue 22 Jan 13

perplexed says...

Sadly, sign of the times we live in. People are generally very sceptical about expenses full stop! And who could blame them after the MP's expenses scandals of recent years. I am not aware that any party is without its difficulties over this , despite the obvious omissions from some of our more 'right wing' brethren. Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt for example claimed almost £170 on petrol for his intern's motorbike in 2012 ,never mind the rail minster who only recently discovered travelling by train over his preferred ministerial car!


Of course MPs and councillors need reasonable expenses and office support to help them carry out their roles, but taxpayers will certainly be left wondering how they can end up spending vastly different amounts.
Sadly, sign of the times we live in. People are generally very sceptical about expenses full stop! And who could blame them after the MP's expenses scandals of recent years. I am not aware that any party is without its difficulties over this , despite the obvious omissions from some of our more 'right wing' brethren. Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt for example claimed almost £170 on petrol for his intern's motorbike in 2012 ,never mind the rail minster who only recently discovered travelling by train over his preferred ministerial car! Of course MPs and councillors need reasonable expenses and office support to help them carry out their roles, but taxpayers will certainly be left wondering how they can end up spending vastly different amounts. perplexed
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5:27pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Oaklands Resident says...

More to this than meets the eye.

In the past I understand that most Councillors paid their own travel expenses. With a salary of circa £30k a year the Leader should certainly be able to afford to do so.

But if this sort of expenditure has been hidden then how many other taxi rides have been massaged through other accounts?

If JA saw fit to release details of his costs when questions started to be asked, no doubt he will be doing so routinely from now so that people can read about them on the Councils web site?
More to this than meets the eye. In the past I understand that most Councillors paid their own travel expenses. With a salary of circa £30k a year the Leader should certainly be able to afford to do so. But if this sort of expenditure has been hidden then how many other taxi rides have been massaged through other accounts? If JA saw fit to release details of his costs when questions started to be asked, no doubt he will be doing so routinely from now so that people can read about them on the Councils web site? Oaklands Resident
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6:01pm Tue 22 Jan 13

bob the builder says...

All the councillors over 60 should be using their bus passes and not claiming anything!
All the councillors over 60 should be using their bus passes and not claiming anything! bob the builder
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6:24pm Tue 22 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

meme wrote:
I think you have to give JA credit for appearing on here.
As I stated earlier most of the journeys will be needed. He is the leader for goodness sake and needs to get places quickly and efficiently
What none of them get is saying they have claimed one ammount when other claims are made make it looks like they were deliberatly hidden to steer people away from the truth..probably an oversight but still looks bad.
His job entails travel His job does not allow him to arrive scruffy on a bike etc bnut it does not entite him to first class travel everywhere and anywhere
I doubt he has cheated but everyone is now watching what all politicians do because we dont trust them anymore...and it was their own doing because of Westminster antics and yet still they cheat and fiddle so they have to now be squeaky clean in everything or accept serious criticism...That's what this is about not the nitty gritty of how much everything combined cost.
Give over. It was dragged out of him. He had no intention of anyone finding out. Claiming to have tweeted it does not make him open. He had to reply publicly to a direct question. Typical of his sliminess to try and spin it that he did it off his own back.

As for coming on here. It grates him that the Press won't cow tow and perpetuate his spin. He therefore tries to divert away from objective journalism to the pages of his spin department where he can maintain the illusions half truths and slander.

Fortunately he fools no one but the Labour students told to come on this forum to try and defend him.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: I think you have to give JA credit for appearing on here. As I stated earlier most of the journeys will be needed. He is the leader for goodness sake and needs to get places quickly and efficiently What none of them get is saying they have claimed one ammount when other claims are made make it looks like they were deliberatly hidden to steer people away from the truth..probably an oversight but still looks bad. His job entails travel His job does not allow him to arrive scruffy on a bike etc bnut it does not entite him to first class travel everywhere and anywhere I doubt he has cheated but everyone is now watching what all politicians do because we dont trust them anymore...and it was their own doing because of Westminster antics and yet still they cheat and fiddle [in westminster in the publics eyes] so they have to now be squeaky clean in everything or accept serious criticism...That's what this is about not the nitty gritty of how much everything combined cost.[/p][/quote]Give over. It was dragged out of him. He had no intention of anyone finding out. Claiming to have tweeted it does not make him open. He had to reply publicly to a direct question. Typical of his sliminess to try and spin it that he did it off his own back. As for coming on here. It grates him that the Press won't cow tow and perpetuate his spin. He therefore tries to divert away from objective journalism to the pages of his spin department where he can maintain the illusions half truths and slander. Fortunately he fools no one but the Labour students told to come on this forum to try and defend him. atorycouncil2014
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6:51pm Tue 22 Jan 13

nearlyman says...

Do you think he has so much time for all this twitting because he spends so much time on trains ?
Do you think he has so much time for all this twitting because he spends so much time on trains ? nearlyman
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8:44pm Tue 22 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

nearlyman wrote:
Do you think he has so much time for all this twitting because he spends so much time on trains ?
And in foreign embassies
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: Do you think he has so much time for all this twitting because he spends so much time on trains ?[/p][/quote]And in foreign embassies capt spaulding
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9:47pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

capt spaulding wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
Do you think he has so much time for all this twitting because he spends so much time on trains ?
And in foreign embassies
And on jets, to and from Paris !

At the Housing Summit on 8th November 2012, which ran from 9.30am to 12.30am, he posted 35 tweets, only 4 of which related to the event. Makes you wonder what he takes in at these costly council events (38 officers were on the attendee list out of 80), while he is glued to his i-pad ?
[quote][p][bold]capt spaulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: Do you think he has so much time for all this twitting because he spends so much time on trains ?[/p][/quote]And in foreign embassies[/p][/quote]And on jets, to and from Paris ! At the Housing Summit on 8th November 2012, which ran from 9.30am to 12.30am, he posted 35 tweets, only 4 of which related to the event. Makes you wonder what he takes in at these costly council events (38 officers were on the attendee list out of 80), while he is glued to his i-pad ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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9:54pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Oaklands Resident wrote:
More to this than meets the eye.

In the past I understand that most Councillors paid their own travel expenses. With a salary of circa £30k a year the Leader should certainly be able to afford to do so.

But if this sort of expenditure has been hidden then how many other taxi rides have been massaged through other accounts?

If JA saw fit to release details of his costs when questions started to be asked, no doubt he will be doing so routinely from now so that people can read about them on the Councils web site?
Interesting point - taxi expenses !!!!

There were hardly any on the six pages of his journey details posted on his twitter page, mostly these were by train.

Rumour has it that sidelined Labour Councillor David Scott, had tried to expose Alexander and Crisp's allegedly excessive use of taxi's at tax-payers expense. Sounds like there is still a cover up of these, and I hope that these free-loading councillors are forced to disclose them.
[quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: More to this than meets the eye. In the past I understand that most Councillors paid their own travel expenses. With a salary of circa £30k a year the Leader should certainly be able to afford to do so. But if this sort of expenditure has been hidden then how many other taxi rides have been massaged through other accounts? If JA saw fit to release details of his costs when questions started to be asked, no doubt he will be doing so routinely from now so that people can read about them on the Councils web site?[/p][/quote]Interesting point - taxi expenses !!!! There were hardly any on the six pages of his journey details posted on his twitter page, mostly these were by train. Rumour has it that sidelined Labour Councillor David Scott, had tried to expose Alexander and Crisp's allegedly excessive use of taxi's at tax-payers expense. Sounds like there is still a cover up of these, and I hope that these free-loading councillors are forced to disclose them. Scarlet Pimpernel
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10:03pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

I hope that Steve Galloway will cover this on his excellent blog. Hopefully he might also point us towards other buried secrets ?
I hope that Steve Galloway will cover this on his excellent blog. Hopefully he might also point us towards other buried secrets ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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6:32am Wed 23 Jan 13

Micklegate says...

meme wrote:
I think you have to give JA credit for appearing on here.
As I stated earlier most of the journeys will be needed. He is the leader for goodness sake and needs to get places quickly and efficiently
What none of them get is saying they have claimed one ammount when other claims are made make it looks like they were deliberatly hidden to steer people away from the truth..probably an oversight but still looks bad.
His job entails travel His job does not allow him to arrive scruffy on a bike etc bnut it does not entite him to first class travel everywhere and anywhere
I doubt he has cheated but everyone is now watching what all politicians do because we dont trust them anymore...and it was their own doing because of Westminster antics and yet still they cheat and fiddle so they have to now be squeaky clean in everything or accept serious criticism...That's what this is about not the nitty gritty of how much everything combined cost.
He has only come on to release his one sided statement in full and then he says email him any questions, he won't answer them on here he will merely reply to the ones he likes and ignore what he doesn't. Well done to Cllr Ayre for forcing out this information which Cllr Alexander wanted kept secret. Surely all expenses are to help councillors do their job so all should be against their name this is just deceitful.

Also why does the headline blacken all councillors names? This does not relate to 47 councillors it relates to the 8 cabinet.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: I think you have to give JA credit for appearing on here. As I stated earlier most of the journeys will be needed. He is the leader for goodness sake and needs to get places quickly and efficiently What none of them get is saying they have claimed one ammount when other claims are made make it looks like they were deliberatly hidden to steer people away from the truth..probably an oversight but still looks bad. His job entails travel His job does not allow him to arrive scruffy on a bike etc bnut it does not entite him to first class travel everywhere and anywhere I doubt he has cheated but everyone is now watching what all politicians do because we dont trust them anymore...and it was their own doing because of Westminster antics and yet still they cheat and fiddle [in westminster in the publics eyes] so they have to now be squeaky clean in everything or accept serious criticism...That's what this is about not the nitty gritty of how much everything combined cost.[/p][/quote]He has only come on to release his one sided statement in full and then he says email him any questions, he won't answer them on here he will merely reply to the ones he likes and ignore what he doesn't. Well done to Cllr Ayre for forcing out this information which Cllr Alexander wanted kept secret. Surely all expenses are to help councillors do their job so all should be against their name this is just deceitful. Also why does the headline blacken all councillors names? This does not relate to 47 councillors it relates to the 8 cabinet. Micklegate
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8:34am Wed 23 Jan 13

perplexed says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Oaklands Resident wrote:
More to this than meets the eye.

In the past I understand that most Councillors paid their own travel expenses. With a salary of circa £30k a year the Leader should certainly be able to afford to do so.

But if this sort of expenditure has been hidden then how many other taxi rides have been massaged through other accounts?

If JA saw fit to release details of his costs when questions started to be asked, no doubt he will be doing so routinely from now so that people can read about them on the Councils web site?
Interesting point - taxi expenses !!!!

There were hardly any on the six pages of his journey details posted on his twitter page, mostly these were by train.

Rumour has it that sidelined Labour Councillor David Scott, had tried to expose Alexander and Crisp's allegedly excessive use of taxi's at tax-payers expense. Sounds like there is still a cover up of these, and I hope that these free-loading councillors are forced to disclose them.
While one has come to expect such salacious gossip and paranoid innuendo, please do tell where is your evidence of a cover up? Presumably you do have evidence or is it just opinion? I can't believe anyone would make such serious accusations without indisputable facts or is it just another case of political grandstanding ?
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: More to this than meets the eye. In the past I understand that most Councillors paid their own travel expenses. With a salary of circa £30k a year the Leader should certainly be able to afford to do so. But if this sort of expenditure has been hidden then how many other taxi rides have been massaged through other accounts? If JA saw fit to release details of his costs when questions started to be asked, no doubt he will be doing so routinely from now so that people can read about them on the Councils web site?[/p][/quote]Interesting point - taxi expenses !!!! There were hardly any on the six pages of his journey details posted on his twitter page, mostly these were by train. Rumour has it that sidelined Labour Councillor David Scott, had tried to expose Alexander and Crisp's allegedly excessive use of taxi's at tax-payers expense. Sounds like there is still a cover up of these, and I hope that these free-loading councillors are forced to disclose them.[/p][/quote]While one has come to expect such salacious gossip and paranoid innuendo, please do tell where is your evidence of a cover up? Presumably you do have evidence or is it just opinion? I can't believe anyone would make such serious accusations without indisputable facts or is it just another case of political grandstanding ? perplexed
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8:45am Wed 23 Jan 13

hikerman says...

James Alexander you and your cronies are ripping York residents off talk about cutbacks you are all cheating and fiddling and there is talks charging for green bins you are all a big joke if this was a common working man or woman you would be all sacked.
James Alexander you and your cronies are ripping York residents off talk about cutbacks you are all cheating and fiddling and there is talks charging for green bins you are all a big joke if this was a common working man or woman you would be all sacked. hikerman
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12:06pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Kevin Turvey says...

‘James Alexander says... 12:04pm Tue 22 Jan 13
‘Feel free to ask me any questions’

As you are an elected person in public life that can also be unelected person that would then not be in public life, that I certainly will!

But on this public forum as you have embraced the digital age (twitter, twatter etc.) then I suggest you will have no objection!

My main question is:
When are you going to resign and leave the people of York to elect somebody that helps the population/city rather than destroy it by a deliberate policy of financial mismanagement?


‘ or by following me ‘
You are not worth following as you are not leadership material in any way!
Sheeple may well follow you to their and your inevitable demise!




‘Scarlet Pimpernel says...
4:29pm Tue 22 Jan 13
An analysis of the spreadsheet breakdown of Coun Alexander's travel expenses for the 19 months from June 2011 to December 2012, gives the following information:-

Most surprising : Taxi to and from Sand Hutton - £35.40 !!!’

I would say this is excessive as there is a perfectly good bus service that goes to Sand Hutton and back, it does not cost £35.40!



‘meme says... 5:03pm Tue 22 Jan 13
I think you have to give JA credit for appearing on here.’

It’s only an attempt at misinformation/propa
ganda anyhow, as all the information is not present!



‘The Great Boda says...
8:33am Wed 23 Jan 13
I don't see the problem. Surely residents don't expect me to stay in the city? How can I set about getting my safe seat in London without substantial brown nosing? And do you really expect me to pay for this myself?

And of course taxpayers should fund my holidays. £30k just isn't enough. This years trip to Dijon was nice but next years week at Cannes will be even better.

#suckers’


Whilst I accept this as a parody of some peoples so called leader, it is worryingly accurate!
‘James Alexander says... 12:04pm Tue 22 Jan 13 ‘Feel free to ask me any questions’ As you are an elected person in public life that can also be unelected person that would then not be in public life, that I certainly will! But on this public forum as you have embraced the digital age (twitter, twatter etc.) then I suggest you will have no objection! My main question is: When are you going to resign and leave the people of York to elect somebody that helps the population/city rather than destroy it by a deliberate policy of financial mismanagement? ‘ or by following me ‘ You are not worth following as you are not leadership material in any way! Sheeple may well follow you to their and your inevitable demise! ‘Scarlet Pimpernel says... 4:29pm Tue 22 Jan 13 An analysis of the spreadsheet breakdown of Coun Alexander's travel expenses for the 19 months from June 2011 to December 2012, gives the following information:- Most surprising : Taxi to and from Sand Hutton - £35.40 !!!’ I would say this is excessive as there is a perfectly good bus service that goes to Sand Hutton and back, it does not cost £35.40! ‘meme says... 5:03pm Tue 22 Jan 13 I think you have to give JA credit for appearing on here.’ It’s only an attempt at misinformation/propa ganda anyhow, as all the information is not present! ‘The Great Boda says... 8:33am Wed 23 Jan 13 I don't see the problem. Surely residents don't expect me to stay in the city? How can I set about getting my safe seat in London without substantial brown nosing? And do you really expect me to pay for this myself? And of course taxpayers should fund my holidays. £30k just isn't enough. This years trip to Dijon was nice but next years week at Cannes will be even better. #suckers’ Whilst I accept this as a parody of some peoples so called leader, it is worryingly accurate! Kevin Turvey
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12:13pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

perplexed wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Oaklands Resident wrote: More to this than meets the eye. In the past I understand that most Councillors paid their own travel expenses. With a salary of circa £30k a year the Leader should certainly be able to afford to do so. But if this sort of expenditure has been hidden then how many other taxi rides have been massaged through other accounts? If JA saw fit to release details of his costs when questions started to be asked, no doubt he will be doing so routinely from now so that people can read about them on the Councils web site?
Interesting point - taxi expenses !!!! There were hardly any on the six pages of his journey details posted on his twitter page, mostly these were by train. Rumour has it that sidelined Labour Councillor David Scott, had tried to expose Alexander and Crisp's allegedly excessive use of taxi's at tax-payers expense. Sounds like there is still a cover up of these, and I hope that these free-loading councillors are forced to disclose them.
While one has come to expect such salacious gossip and paranoid innuendo, please do tell where is your evidence of a cover up? Presumably you do have evidence or is it just opinion? I can't believe anyone would make such serious accusations without indisputable facts or is it just another case of political grandstanding ?
Ask your mate James, but, don't expect him to give you an honest answer.

No smoke without fire, and if they (Labour cabinet) have hidden over £5,000 of travelling expenses mainly by train, then the taxi account is probably hidden too.
[quote][p][bold]perplexed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: More to this than meets the eye. In the past I understand that most Councillors paid their own travel expenses. With a salary of circa £30k a year the Leader should certainly be able to afford to do so. But if this sort of expenditure has been hidden then how many other taxi rides have been massaged through other accounts? If JA saw fit to release details of his costs when questions started to be asked, no doubt he will be doing so routinely from now so that people can read about them on the Councils web site?[/p][/quote]Interesting point - taxi expenses !!!! There were hardly any on the six pages of his journey details posted on his twitter page, mostly these were by train. Rumour has it that sidelined Labour Councillor David Scott, had tried to expose Alexander and Crisp's allegedly excessive use of taxi's at tax-payers expense. Sounds like there is still a cover up of these, and I hope that these free-loading councillors are forced to disclose them.[/p][/quote]While one has come to expect such salacious gossip and paranoid innuendo, please do tell where is your evidence of a cover up? Presumably you do have evidence or is it just opinion? I can't believe anyone would make such serious accusations without indisputable facts or is it just another case of political grandstanding ?[/p][/quote]Ask your mate James, but, don't expect him to give you an honest answer. No smoke without fire, and if they (Labour cabinet) have hidden over £5,000 of travelling expenses mainly by train, then the taxi account is probably hidden too. Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:21pm Wed 23 Jan 13

perplexed says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
perplexed wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Oaklands Resident wrote: More to this than meets the eye. In the past I understand that most Councillors paid their own travel expenses. With a salary of circa £30k a year the Leader should certainly be able to afford to do so. But if this sort of expenditure has been hidden then how many other taxi rides have been massaged through other accounts? If JA saw fit to release details of his costs when questions started to be asked, no doubt he will be doing so routinely from now so that people can read about them on the Councils web site?
Interesting point - taxi expenses !!!! There were hardly any on the six pages of his journey details posted on his twitter page, mostly these were by train. Rumour has it that sidelined Labour Councillor David Scott, had tried to expose Alexander and Crisp's allegedly excessive use of taxi's at tax-payers expense. Sounds like there is still a cover up of these, and I hope that these free-loading councillors are forced to disclose them.
While one has come to expect such salacious gossip and paranoid innuendo, please do tell where is your evidence of a cover up? Presumably you do have evidence or is it just opinion? I can't believe anyone would make such serious accusations without indisputable facts or is it just another case of political grandstanding ?
Ask your mate James, but, don't expect him to give you an honest answer.

No smoke without fire, and if they (Labour cabinet) have hidden over £5,000 of travelling expenses mainly by train, then the taxi account is probably hidden too.
I don't have to ask James Alexander anything , you made the accusation of a cover up , I simply am asking you where is your evidence? It can't be that much of a cover up , if you have discovered it that easily! Or this is just another example of your political posturing?

Disparaging those who disagree with your unfounded accusations isn't evidence. If you can substantiate such claims, then stand by them! In a democracy, transparency goes both ways !
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]perplexed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: More to this than meets the eye. In the past I understand that most Councillors paid their own travel expenses. With a salary of circa £30k a year the Leader should certainly be able to afford to do so. But if this sort of expenditure has been hidden then how many other taxi rides have been massaged through other accounts? If JA saw fit to release details of his costs when questions started to be asked, no doubt he will be doing so routinely from now so that people can read about them on the Councils web site?[/p][/quote]Interesting point - taxi expenses !!!! There were hardly any on the six pages of his journey details posted on his twitter page, mostly these were by train. Rumour has it that sidelined Labour Councillor David Scott, had tried to expose Alexander and Crisp's allegedly excessive use of taxi's at tax-payers expense. Sounds like there is still a cover up of these, and I hope that these free-loading councillors are forced to disclose them.[/p][/quote]While one has come to expect such salacious gossip and paranoid innuendo, please do tell where is your evidence of a cover up? Presumably you do have evidence or is it just opinion? I can't believe anyone would make such serious accusations without indisputable facts or is it just another case of political grandstanding ?[/p][/quote]Ask your mate James, but, don't expect him to give you an honest answer. No smoke without fire, and if they (Labour cabinet) have hidden over £5,000 of travelling expenses mainly by train, then the taxi account is probably hidden too.[/p][/quote]I don't have to ask James Alexander anything , you made the accusation of a cover up , I simply am asking you where is your evidence? It can't be that much of a cover up , if you have discovered it that easily! Or this is just another example of your political posturing? Disparaging those who disagree with your unfounded accusations isn't evidence. If you can substantiate such claims, then stand by them! In a democracy, transparency goes both ways ! perplexed
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5:39pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Ichabod76 says...

perplexed says...
2:21pm Wed 23 Jan 13

In a democracy, transparency goes both ways

your right but it should start at the top
perplexed says... 2:21pm Wed 23 Jan 13 In a democracy, transparency goes both ways your right but it should start at the top Ichabod76
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5:40pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Ichabod76 says...

Still waiting for a reply to my email James ?
Still waiting for a reply to my email James ? Ichabod76
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6:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
Still waiting for a reply to my email James ?
As Micklegate rightly says - Alexander will only reply to the emails he likes. If your line of questioning will incriminate his dodgy practices, he will ignore you, and allege that you are being, insulting, abusive, or challenging his integrity. If you continue to email him with facts exposing his mismanagement etc, he will then seek to have your emails blocked from the @york.gov.uk addresses, which was done to two York residents on illegitimate grounds. The Council don't have an email blocking policy, so cannot break any rules by blocking, which speaks volumes about the lack of fairness in the way that COYC deal with/treat residents.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: Still waiting for a reply to my email James ?[/p][/quote]As Micklegate rightly says - Alexander will only reply to the emails he likes. If your line of questioning will incriminate his dodgy practices, he will ignore you, and allege that you are being, insulting, abusive, or challenging his integrity. If you continue to email him with facts exposing his mismanagement etc, he will then seek to have your emails blocked from the @york.gov.uk addresses, which was done to two York residents on illegitimate grounds. The Council don't have an email blocking policy, so cannot break any rules by blocking, which speaks volumes about the lack of fairness in the way that COYC deal with/treat residents. Scarlet Pimpernel
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6:46pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Perplexed wrote,
I don't have to ask James Alexander anything , you made the accusation of a cover up , I simply am asking you where is your evidence? It can't be that much of a cover up , if you have discovered it that easily! Or this is just another example of your political posturing?


The suspected/alleged excessive use of taxi's by Coun Alexander and Coun Crisp, has been raised by several individuals, one being Coun David Scott. It's easy for this to be resolved - all Coun Alexander has to do is provide the information. If he hasn't abused or hidden his taxi expenses, he can prove it. If he doesn't clear his name, then it's up to York residents to make their own minds up as to whether they believe he is innocent, or not ?
Perplexed wrote, [quote] I don't have to ask James Alexander anything , you made the accusation of a cover up , I simply am asking you where is your evidence? It can't be that much of a cover up , if you have discovered it that easily! Or this is just another example of your political posturing? [/quote] The suspected/alleged excessive use of taxi's by Coun Alexander and Coun Crisp, has been raised by several individuals, one being Coun David Scott. It's easy for this to be resolved - all Coun Alexander has to do is provide the information. If he hasn't abused or hidden his taxi expenses, he can prove it. If he doesn't clear his name, then it's up to York residents to make their own minds up as to whether they believe he is innocent, or not ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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7:20pm Wed 23 Jan 13

perplexed says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Perplexed wrote,
I don't have to ask James Alexander anything , you made the accusation of a cover up , I simply am asking you where is your evidence? It can't be that much of a cover up , if you have discovered it that easily! Or this is just another example of your political posturing?


The suspected/alleged excessive use of taxi's by Coun Alexander and Coun Crisp, has been raised by several individuals, one being Coun David Scott. It's easy for this to be resolved - all Coun Alexander has to do is provide the information. If he hasn't abused or hidden his taxi expenses, he can prove it. If he doesn't clear his name, then it's up to York residents to make their own minds up as to whether they believe he is innocent, or not ?
If Coun Scott has evidence of suspected/ alleged excessive use of taxi's then clearly he must present his evidence and take the appropriate action. Or perhaps are you privy to the information , if that is the case please do provide the information and prove your accusations are correct .

In the absence of any evidence , the only 'cover up' is your attempt to back track over making wild and fanciful allegations! For this to be resolved , all we needs is your evidence !
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Perplexed wrote, [quote] I don't have to ask James Alexander anything , you made the accusation of a cover up , I simply am asking you where is your evidence? It can't be that much of a cover up , if you have discovered it that easily! Or this is just another example of your political posturing? [/quote] The suspected/alleged excessive use of taxi's by Coun Alexander and Coun Crisp, has been raised by several individuals, one being Coun David Scott. It's easy for this to be resolved - all Coun Alexander has to do is provide the information. If he hasn't abused or hidden his taxi expenses, he can prove it. If he doesn't clear his name, then it's up to York residents to make their own minds up as to whether they believe he is innocent, or not ?[/p][/quote]If Coun Scott has evidence of suspected/ alleged excessive use of taxi's then clearly he must present his evidence and take the appropriate action. Or perhaps are you privy to the information , if that is the case please do provide the information and prove your accusations are correct . In the absence of any evidence , the only 'cover up' is your attempt to back track over making wild and fanciful allegations! For this to be resolved , all we needs is your evidence ! perplexed
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1:07pm Thu 24 Jan 13

oi oi savaloy says...

should my new beard stay or go?
let me know live on @BBCYORK 103.7fm 103.7 with joncowap Friday 11am 01904 641641

this is the all important question that james alexander tweeted 1 hr ago.. 47 minute later he tweets that he has just had a very productive meeting at east coast mainline council at NRM.. so obviuosly sat with his head in the clouds tweeting b****x during the meeting

this bloke should go now if he is sat in important meetings just twittering rubbish on his iPad whilst he is supposed to be running a council..
should my new beard stay or go? let me know live on @BBCYORK 103.7fm 103.7 with joncowap Friday 11am 01904 641641 this is the all important question that james alexander tweeted 1 hr ago.. 47 minute later he tweets that he has just had a very productive meeting at east coast mainline council at NRM.. so obviuosly sat with his head in the clouds tweeting b****x during the meeting this bloke should go now if he is sat in important meetings just twittering rubbish on his iPad whilst he is supposed to be running a council.. oi oi savaloy
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2:59pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
should my new beard stay or go? let me know live on @BBCYORK 103.7fm 103.7 with joncowap Friday 11am 01904 641641 this is the all important question that james alexander tweeted 1 hr ago.. 47 minute later he tweets that he has just had a very productive meeting at east coast mainline council at NRM.. so obviuosly sat with his head in the clouds tweeting b****x during the meeting this bloke should go now if he is sat in important meetings just twittering rubbish on his iPad whilst he is supposed to be running a council..
Don't give a stuff about his beard, but he should certainly go....... ASAP !!!
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: should my new beard stay or go? let me know live on @BBCYORK 103.7fm 103.7 with joncowap Friday 11am 01904 641641 this is the all important question that james alexander tweeted 1 hr ago.. 47 minute later he tweets that he has just had a very productive meeting at east coast mainline council at NRM.. so obviuosly sat with his head in the clouds tweeting b****x during the meeting this bloke should go now if he is sat in important meetings just twittering rubbish on his iPad whilst he is supposed to be running a council..[/p][/quote]Don't give a stuff about his beard, but he should certainly go....... ASAP !!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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7:14pm Thu 24 Jan 13

desmond tiblets says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
should my new beard stay or go? let me know live on @BBCYORK 103.7fm 103.7 with joncowap Friday 11am 01904 641641 this is the all important question that james alexander tweeted 1 hr ago.. 47 minute later he tweets that he has just had a very productive meeting at east coast mainline council at NRM.. so obviuosly sat with his head in the clouds tweeting b****x during the meeting this bloke should go now if he is sat in important meetings just twittering rubbish on his iPad whilst he is supposed to be running a council..
Don't give a stuff about his beard, but he should certainly go....... ASAP !!!
He seems to think he is an A list celebrity and we are all interested in his constant tweeting.someone needs to keep an eye on him during working hours and if he is playing with his ipad or i phone,take it of him smack his bottom,and return it at home time.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: should my new beard stay or go? let me know live on @BBCYORK 103.7fm 103.7 with joncowap Friday 11am 01904 641641 this is the all important question that james alexander tweeted 1 hr ago.. 47 minute later he tweets that he has just had a very productive meeting at east coast mainline council at NRM.. so obviuosly sat with his head in the clouds tweeting b****x during the meeting this bloke should go now if he is sat in important meetings just twittering rubbish on his iPad whilst he is supposed to be running a council..[/p][/quote]Don't give a stuff about his beard, but he should certainly go....... ASAP !!![/p][/quote]He seems to think he is an A list celebrity and we are all interested in his constant tweeting.someone needs to keep an eye on him during working hours and if he is playing with his ipad or i phone,take it of him smack his bottom,and return it at home time. desmond tiblets
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