LiveLatest on the Tour de France as it details Yorkshire Grand Depart

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Summary

  • Stage one, July 5: Leeds - Harewood - Otley - Ilkley - Skipton - Kettlewell - Aysgarth - Hawes - Reeth - Leyburn - Ripon - Harrogate
  • Stage two, July 6: York - Knaresborough - Silsden - Keighley - Haworth - Hebden Bridge - Elland - Huddersfield - Holmfirth - Sheffield
  • Stage three, July 7: Cambridge - Epping Forest - the Olympic Park - the Mall

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5:20pm

The theme of the race between York and Sheffield will be Past, Present and Future.

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The aim is ten years after the Tour first visits Yorkshire, Yorkshire is still feeling the benefits of that visit, says Verity.

5:07pm

Sheffield cyclist Malcolm Elliott also at press conference in which Gary Verity, chief executive of Welcome to Yorkshire is listing many wonderful things about Yorkshire.

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Just watching a video about Britain's previous achievements in the Tour de France.

4:54pm

Brian Robinson, first Brit to ride the Tour de France, who lives in Huddersfield, is also in the audience at the press conference.

4:46pm

Keith Wakefield, leader of Leeds City Council says it still feels like a dream.

4:44pm

Welcome to Yorkshire press conference in Leeds about to start...

4:38pm

This just in from East Riding of Yorkshire Council:

Councillor Jane Evison, cabinet portfolio holder for economic development, tourism and rural issues, said: “Today’s announcement regarding the route of the 2014 Tour de France is an occasion for the whole of Yorkshire to celebrate.

“While the council is disappointed that the world’s most prestigious cycle race will not pass through the East Riding, residents will still have the opportunity to see the race, with most of the East Riding just one hour away.

“Hosting one of the world’s biggest sporting events in Yorkshire will have untold benefits for the whole county in terms of tourism and boosting the local economy and the council will make every effort to capitalise on this.

“East Yorkshire already has a proud cycling tradition and hopes that the legacy of the Tour de France will be similar to that of the Olympic Torch Relay in attracting more people to the sport.”

4:31pm

Keep letting us know what you think of the announcement. Which part of the route is nearest you and will you be watching? Comment below or tweet to @yorkpress or using the hashtag #tdf2014

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York Outer MP Julian Sturdy has urged communities and businesses to make the most of the Tour de France coming to the city.

Mr Sturdy, who is a vice-chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group for 2014 Yorkshire and the UK Tour de France, lobbied the Government on behalf of Yorkshire's Back le Bid campaign and said: "I am delighted the Tour de France organisers have appreciated the iconic nature and beauty of York and that has been recognised with the second day of the tour starting from our great city and heading out through my constituency to Knaresborough.

“The Tour de France will be a unique advertisement for the whole of our county and I am thrilled at the potential effect the event will have on our local economy. With a worldwide television audience of 3.5 billion people in 188 countries, the Tour de France will be a fantastic opportunity to show the world that what York and Yorkshire have to offer.”

“While the Olympic Torch relay was a big event last year, it will be surpassed in scale by next year’s Tour de France. Each night of the Tour, 1,200 hotel rooms are booked and 2,000 journalists travel with the race along its route.”

“I am looking forward to working with Yorkshire-based colleagues of all political persuasions over the next year as a vice-chair of the All-Party Group and I will do all I can to make sure the event is a massive success and one to remember for years to come."

Mr Sturdy also said he had already signed up as volunteer when the Tour comes to Yorkshire and encouraged others to follow suit.

2:48pm

Hugh Bayley, MP for York Central, said York was the region's most important cycling city and it was great for it to have such a prominent role in the Tour de France.

"Let's hope Sir Bradley Wiggins will have a yellow jersey when we wave off the cyclists from York," he said.

"This will showcase the city to the world. Roughly 20 per cent of journeys in York are carried out by bicycle, which is hugely over the national average.

"Cycling is already big in York and I hope the race will give us an opportunity to encourage more people to cycle, because it reduces traffic congestion, is good for the environment and is good for people's health."

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Julian Smith, MP for Skipton and Ripon, has urged communities and businesses across his constituency to make the most of the world’s largest annual sporting event coming to North Yorkshire in 2014.

 

He said: “I am delighted that the Tour de France organisers have recognised the unique beauty of my constituency. I have been working hard to ensure as many parts as possible are showcased.

“With a worldwide television audience of 3.5 billion people in 188 countries, this opportunity to promote where we live to tourists and where we work to businesses is too good to miss. Skipton and Ripon will benefit massively from this event and will give the Tour de France a great welcome.

“We saw how big the Olympic Torch Relay was last year but the Tour de France is on a much bigger scale. Each night of the Tour, 1,200 hotel rooms are booked and 2,000 journalists travel with the race along its route.

 

"In the coming months, I will be travelling the route the Tour de France will take on a special Doorstep Tour and working with communities and businesses to make sure we explore every opportunity for promoting and showcasing our area to a worldwide audience.”

The MP also confirmed the launch of a cross-party group to promote and support the Tour de France in Yorkshire at Westminster. 

2:27pm

A spokeswoman for the North Yorkshire Moors Railway said she was ‘gutted’ that the race will not be visiting the North York Moors.

Marketing manager Danielle Ramsey said that tour officials had paid visits to the steam railway several times with Gary Verity, of Welcome to Yorkshire, and she had hoped the route would come through the area.

She said she did not know why it had not been chosen. “It’s a great disappointment,” she said. “We are very gutted. It’s such a shame for the area.”

2:20pm

Selby and Ainsty MP Nigel Adams has said he is delighted that the Tour de France 2014 will be making its way through part of his constituency on Sunday July 6 when one of the world’s largest sporting events makes its Grand Depart from Leeds.

Mr Adams, who spoke in a Westminster debate recently promoting the benefits of his constituency as part of the tour’s route, said: “This is more fantastic news for Selby and Ainsty residents.

"Following on the back of the Olympic Torch success for our area, I am delighted that the Tour de France will be going through my constituency giving everyone an opportunity to witness yet another global sporting event”

The Tour de France route takes in part of the Selby and Ainsty constituency passing several villages including Green Hammerton on the second day in Yorkshire on the York to Knaresborough leg.

2:16pm

County Councillor John Weighell, leader of North Yorkshire County Council, welcomed the inclusion of lengthy stages of the Tour in North Yorkshire, and predicted major economic benefits for the county as a result.

 

He said: "We are one of the sponsors of the bid, and we are absolutely delighted with today’s announcement of the route.

“As one of the world’s premier sporting events, the Tour de France brings enormous international exposure and interest in its wake, and the inclusion of Yorkshire can only be excellent news for the economy of North Yorkshire, and its hugely important tourism businesses.”

1:40pm

The Yorkshire delegation celebrate the announcement of the Tour de France Grand Depart routes in Paris.

York Press: Yorkshire delegates in Paris

From left: Leader of Harrogate Borough Council, Coun Anthony Alton; Welcome to Yorkshire’s chief executive Gary Verity, ASO director Christian Prudhomme, leader of City of York Council, Coun James Alexander and leader of North Yorkshire County Council, John Weighell.

1:35pm

Christian Prudhomme, Tour de France director, said: “Yorkshire is a region of outstanding beauty, with breath-taking landscapes whose terrains offer both sprinters and attackers the opportunity to express themselves.

"We have encountered a phenomenal desire to welcome the Tour de France and no doubt that popular acclaim will be particularly in evidence over there.

"The Grand Départ of the Tour de France 2007 in London, the first ever organised in the United Kingdom, will remain unforgettable. We are very glad to return, seven years after, to this magnificent city.”

1:33pm

Gary Verity, chief executive of Welcome to Yorkshire, said: “The routes of the Grand Départ will showcase some of Yorkshire’s iconic cycling climbs and the county’s stunning land and cityscapes.

"The peloton will be technically tested as they tackle some challenging terrain in what are sure to be two exhilarating days of racing in the county.
"The British public’s response since the news broke that the 2014 Grand Départ would be hosted in Yorkshire has been overwhelming and I am sure the route announcements today will encourage even more people to come to the county to experience for themselves the phenomenon that is Le Tour.”

12:52pm

The route from Leeds to Harrogate taking place on Saturday, July 5, 2014.York Press:

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The route from York to Sheffield, taking place on Sunday, July 6, 2014.York Press: York to Sheffield route map

12:31pm

A spokesman for North Yorkshire Police said hosting the opening stages of the Tour De France in 2014 was an honour for both the country and the region.

He said: "North Yorkshire Police is looking forward to helping make the event an enjoyable experience for the many spectators and tourists expected to visit the area.

“The force has only just been informed about the route that the Tour De France will take through North Yorkshire, therefore plans will be developed in due course.

“However, we will build on the experience of last year’s successful Olympic Torch Relay, working closely with the organisers, partner agencies and the other police forces in the region, to ensure that the race stages pass off smoothly and safely.”

12:26pm

Leaders of Hambleton District Council have said they are "bitterly disappointed" that the world’s greatest cycling race is not coming through the district.

Areas around Northallerton, Thirsk, Bedale, Easingwold and Stokesley were not included in the routes announced today in Paris for the Tour de France's Grand Depart in Paris in 2014.

Council leader, Coun Neville Huxtable, said: "We are very disappointed that it won’t be travelling through Hambleton and its glorious countryside.  But we will be working hard to promote the area and hope to welcome many of the millions of visitors to the race into Hambleton.

 

“We are obviously delighted that the race is coming to Yorkshire and we congratulate Welcome 2 Yorkshire on its coup. We look forward to watching it and we wish those organising it the best of luck.

“This is a fantastic event for Yorkshire – and a great opportunity to showcase the area.”

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Julian Sturdy, MP for York Outer, said: "I am delighted the Tour de France organisers have appreciated the iconic nature and beauty of York and that has been recognised with the second day of the tour starting from our great city and heading out through my constituency to Knaresborough."

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Andrew Jones, MP for Harrogate and Knaresborough, has welcomed the news that Harrogate and Knaresborough will both be a part of the Tour de France’s journey through Yorkshire.
Andrew, who is vice-chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on the Tour de France’s Grand Départ in Yorkshire, said Harrogate’s famous hospitality would be on full display when the Tour finishes its first day on the Stray in Harrogate.
“I am delighted with this news, and the people of Harrogate and Knaresborough will be excited that the route comes to this constituency twice and the swell of tourists will make the occasion unforgettable.
“Having the route covering so much of Yorkshire’s iconic countryside is a great advertisement for this county, it will be broadcast to millions of homes across the world, and the viewers will not be disappointed.
“What Harrogate and Knaresborough has to offer as a backdrop for great sport is just fantastic in terms of business facilities, accommodation, historic sites and beautiful scenery as well as many passionate sporting fans. So the ingredients are already here to warmly welcome the Tour with open arms.”

11:24am

James Brennan, head of marketing and sponsorship at York Racecourse, said they hoped to host the start of the race from the Knavesmire on the Sunday.

He said they had worked with Welcome to Yorkshire and the Tour de France organisers, who have visited the Knavesmire, and they would be "delighted" to host the event if chosen.

He said the impact on York would be huge.

"We know what sport can do in terms of exciting and thrilling people. To have such a famous event coming to the city is great news.

"We will see if we go on to be more directly involved as things pan out," he said.

He said the racecourse fully appreciated the economic impact sporting events could have, generating £58 million impact through its own racing events for the local economy.

"The figures are double that for the weekend," he said. "It's that number of television eye balls, billions of people, watching the race in such a wonderful city and such a wonderful county.

"You can see the subsequent huge economic benefit and it's a real tribute to the work of Gary Verity and Welcome to Yorkshire and everyone who has backed Le Bid.

"It's a marvellous prospect for the city and we're ready to help in any way we can."

11:13am

Images from the Official presentation of the 2014 Tour de France Grand Depart:

York Press:

York Press: In the presence of Sir Peter Ricketts (British Ambassador to France) are Gary Verity (Chief Executive of Welcome to Yorkshire) and Christian Prudhomme (Director of the Tour de France).

'In the presence of Sir Peter Ricketts (British Ambassador to France) are Gary Verity (Chief Executive of Welcome to Yorkshire) and Christian Prudhomme (Director of the Tour de France)'

10:57am

The Tour de France in figures:
• It attracts 12 million spectators along the route in a typical year's race
• 1,200 hotel rooms are reserved each night for the teams, staff, press and tour personnel
• There are 4700 hours of TV coverage
• 2,000 accredited journalists from around the world attend

10:48am

The staging of the Grand Depart is estimated to boost York’s economy by more than £73 million, based on an analysis of the impact on London in 2007.
When the Grand Départ was held in London and Kent in 2007, it was estimated to have brought £88 million to south-east England and generated £35 million of media coverage.
York Minster has been used in the marketing of the bid and will appear throughout the Grand Départ media coverage. Two billion spectators will also watch the event worldwide. More than two million spectators watched from the sidelines in 2007.
The council also expects the teams and administration associated with the tour to boost hotels, restaurants and shops from several days before racing begins.

10:42am

Scarborough has missed out on playing a part in the 2014 Tour de France, with Scarborough Borough Council's chief executive Jim Dillon saying: "While of course we are disappointed that the Tour De France will not be passing through our borough in 2014, we are still delighted to be joining in the county-wide celebrations today. 

"Le Tour will be a world-class event for Yorkshire which will show the county off at its very best to a worldwide audience of billions, and we should all be proud to say we will be a part of that experience regardless of the route it will take.

"Local residents won't have to travel far to cheer on their cycling heroes and soak up the atmosphere, and the many thousands of extra visitors who will come to Yorkshire during Le Tour will undoubtedly have a very positive ripple effect on the wider region, including our borough. 

"With this in mind, we will be actively promoting our area as an excellent location for visitors to base themselves in or explore during their time in Yorkshire. We are also very excited about plans that are currently in the pipeline to bring other major cycling events to the Yorkshire coast in future years."

Tour de France director Christian Prudhomme said: "When we visited Yorkshire, Scarborough, the coast and East Yorkshire really captured our imagination and it has stayed long in our hearts.

"Working with Welcome to Yorkshire, we hope to return here in the future."

10:42am

In Paris, Coun James Alexander and Kersten England celebrate the news that Le Grand Départ will leave from York.

York Press: In Paris, Cllr James Alexander and Kersten England celebrate the news that Le Grand Départ will leave from York.

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Councillor Sonja Crisp, cabinet member for leisure, culture and tourism said: “The world’s largest annual sporting event is coming to York!

"Working with our city partners and our own expert officers, we have a track record of staging high-quality, large-scale events which involve and delight local people and reach international TV audiences.

"A legacy of the Olympic Torch’s highly-praised visit to York, we have another moment to shine and share with the world our spectacular and welcoming city.

"This will be a huge boost to the city's leisure and tourism industries, with an estimated 2 million spectators in Yorkshire alone."

10:25am

Coun James Alexander, leader of City of York Council, said: “The Tour de France is one of the world’s top global sporting events attracting a TV audience of over 3.5 billion people.

"The economic benefit from hosting a major event like this cannot be underestimated.

"In 2007, it was worth £88 million to London and the south east of England and early conservative estimates put the economic impact for Yorkshire as a whole at £100m.

"This is something we have worked – as part of the Yorkshire bid – for many months and we will be working to maximise for a lasting impact on our local economy. I’m proud to have played a part in bringing this event to York.”

10:24am

Kersten England, chief executive of City of York Council, said: “We’re delighted to announce to the world that York is hosting the Tour de France Grand Depart, particularly as this year is its centenary race.

"As a cyclist myself, it’s a privilege to be appointed as the senior legacy lead for the region and to ensure that this important legacy lives on in Yorkshire, builds on this city’s long-standing commitment to cycling and inspires generations to come – maybe even a future Tour winner?”

10:19am

The race will begin in earnest on the city’s outer roads before heading onto Knaresborough.

10:18am

The delegation will rush back for a press conference to be held in Leeds this evening, before a celebration at Leeds Town Hall.

10:18am

Leader of City of York Council, James Alexander, and chief executive, Kersten England, are in Paris today with the Yorkshire delegation at the press conference held by race organisers Amaury Sports Organisation (ASO).

10:16am

York will welcome some 200 of the world’s best cyclists to the city, to showcase their road riding skills by promenading along the cobbles and cornering the medieval streets with a backdrop of some of the great sights of the city.

10:09am

Susie Cawood, head of York and North Yorkshire Chamber of Commerce, said: "The economic impact of our region hosting the world's biggest annual sporting event will be huge.

"It will give businesses in York and North Yorkshire a major economic boost; iconic images of our city and countryside will be broadcast to a worldwide audience.

"Tourists will be encouraged to visit the area and it will showcase York and North Yorkshire to potential inward investors."

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From York on the second day, it will go back through Harrogate into West Yorkshire.

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It will take in the Yorkshire Dales on the way to Harrgate.

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The Tour will not reach the Yorkshire coast.

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Day two will start in York.

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The race will start in Leeds, and go through Ripon to Harrogate.

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10:41am Thu 17 Jan 13

timcore says...

Fantastic that we'll have so many drug users coming into the region.
Fantastic that we'll have so many drug users coming into the region. timcore
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10:50am Thu 17 Jan 13

moose says...

Ah, so the whining miseries begin to post.

This is brilliant for York - how it can be seen as anything else is utterly beyond me. An international sporting event on our doorstep, prestige, money, tourists, global TV coverage...

Nevertheless, the commenters here will go out of their way to find as many negatives as possible.
Ah, so the whining miseries begin to post. This is brilliant for York - how it can be seen as anything else is utterly beyond me. An international sporting event on our doorstep, prestige, money, tourists, global TV coverage... Nevertheless, the commenters here will go out of their way to find as many negatives as possible. moose
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11:28am Thu 17 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

'Pedaling Paul'..... this is going to be your greatest moment.

London can stuff its olympics up its proverbial velodrome. The Tour de France is not seen as a political tool, such as the Coe-limpics was used in Britain.
In France 'Le Tour' really is an egalitarian sport-fest, and I trust this concept will not be hijacked by commerce and capitalism.
Thus I for one an rather pleased that 'Le Tour' is starting off in York; and motorists might have to suffer the arduous possibility of York being a traffic-free zone for the day.
'Pedaling Paul'..... this is going to be your greatest moment. London can stuff its olympics up its proverbial velodrome. The Tour de France is not seen as a political tool, such as the Coe-limpics was used in Britain. In France 'Le Tour' really is an egalitarian sport-fest, and I trust this concept will not be hijacked by commerce and capitalism. Thus I for one an rather pleased that 'Le Tour' is starting off in York; and motorists might have to suffer the arduous possibility of York being a traffic-free zone for the day. Trespar Zagenstuz
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11:34am Thu 17 Jan 13

amike says...

Surely the areas where the race finishes will get far more TV coverage, especially on the highlights programs, than where the race starts. So good for Harrogate and Sheffield. How much benefit to York......I wonder
Surely the areas where the race finishes will get far more TV coverage, especially on the highlights programs, than where the race starts. So good for Harrogate and Sheffield. How much benefit to York......I wonder amike
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1:09pm Thu 17 Jan 13

roskoboskovic says...

anyone would think that we d invented the tdf.most people have ignored it for over a century but now all the fairweather bradley wiggins are jumping on the bandwagon.the tdf has as much in common with pedantic prat and his push iron as the premier league has to my back garden kickabout.
anyone would think that we d invented the tdf.most people have ignored it for over a century but now all the fairweather bradley wiggins are jumping on the bandwagon.the tdf has as much in common with pedantic prat and his push iron as the premier league has to my back garden kickabout. roskoboskovic
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2:05pm Thu 17 Jan 13

lowbeam says...

Tour de France, literally "tour of France" not Tour de Yorkshire..
We have enough problems in York without this..
Tour de France, literally "tour of France" not Tour de Yorkshire.. We have enough problems in York without this.. lowbeam
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2:19pm Thu 17 Jan 13

/kev/null says...

Looks like the route goes past my house. Apologies if I don't whine and complain about it like the archetypal miserable Yorkshire git.
Looks like the route goes past my house. Apologies if I don't whine and complain about it like the archetypal miserable Yorkshire git. /kev/null
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2:22pm Thu 17 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense.

These banners don't hold themselves up .....
I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense. These banners don't hold themselves up ..... atorycouncil2014
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2:40pm Thu 17 Jan 13

MouseHouse says...

Not the most obvious route to have chosen, but that's nit picking. This is the biggest sporting event ever to come to York. This is far bigger than Ascot at Yrk a few years back. Get the planning right and this has the potential to be gob-smackingly enormous. The olympic torch...pish and tish in comparison.
Not the most obvious route to have chosen, but that's nit picking. This is the biggest sporting event ever to come to York. This is far bigger than Ascot at Yrk a few years back. Get the planning right and this has the potential to be gob-smackingly enormous. The olympic torch...pish and tish in comparison. MouseHouse
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2:41pm Thu 17 Jan 13

peterstreet says...

atorycouncil2014 wrote:
I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense.

These banners don't hold themselves up .....
I was wondering where all the whining buffoons were, I began to suspect that they were hiding because they might have to give Yorks very good Labour council and CYC,s very able officers some credit for the not insignificant part they played in bringing the tour to this region!! well done all,well done!! as to the buffoons, come on then give us all a good laugh to wind up a wonderfull day! mind, you must be a little worried, after all James Alexander and his Collegues seem to be developing a disconcerting habit of getting things done, despite the best efforts of a very poor coalition government!
[quote][p][bold]atorycouncil2014[/bold] wrote: I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense. These banners don't hold themselves up .....[/p][/quote]I was wondering where all the whining buffoons were, I began to suspect that they were hiding because they might have to give Yorks very good Labour council and CYC,s very able officers some credit for the not insignificant part they played in bringing the tour to this region!! well done all,well done!! as to the buffoons, come on then give us all a good laugh to wind up a wonderfull day! mind, you must be a little worried, after all James Alexander and his Collegues seem to be developing a disconcerting habit of getting things done, despite the best efforts of a very poor coalition government! peterstreet
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3:26pm Thu 17 Jan 13

TheTruthHurts says...

Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this?
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Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?
Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this? ' Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp? TheTruthHurts
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3:30pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

atorycouncil2014 wrote:
"I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense."
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"Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity."
Robert A. Heinlein.

Oh, how miffed are the tories for not securing this opportunity.
Had they been on the Eurostar, they'd be praising this as a "worthy fact-finding mission that will secure much..blah..blah....
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I suppose they cannot now eat humble pie as it would not be claimable on expenses....
atorycouncil2014 wrote: "I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~ ~~~~~ "Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." Robert A. Heinlein. Oh, how miffed are the tories for not securing this opportunity. Had they been on the Eurostar, they'd be praising this as a "worthy fact-finding mission that will secure much..blah..blah.... ". I suppose they cannot now eat humble pie as it would not be claimable on expenses.... Trespar Zagenstuz
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3:38pm Thu 17 Jan 13

moose says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this?
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Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?
Because we bid for it against two other regions. If we hadn't sent anyone, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got it.

Did you also whinge when Cameron and Beckham went to Singapore to secure the Olympics?

That's just how this stuff works - you speculate with some expenditure, and if you speculate well, you get a return far in excess of sending a few elected officials across the channel.

This is a GOOD news story - well done to everyone involved
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this? ' Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?[/p][/quote]Because we bid for it against two other regions. If we hadn't sent anyone, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got it. Did you also whinge when Cameron and Beckham went to Singapore to secure the Olympics? That's just how this stuff works - you speculate with some expenditure, and if you speculate well, you get a return far in excess of sending a few elected officials across the channel. This is a GOOD news story - well done to everyone involved moose
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3:51pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Big Bad Wolf says...

moose wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this?
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Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?
Because we bid for it against two other regions. If we hadn't sent anyone, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got it.

Did you also whinge when Cameron and Beckham went to Singapore to secure the Olympics?

That's just how this stuff works - you speculate with some expenditure, and if you speculate well, you get a return far in excess of sending a few elected officials across the channel.

This is a GOOD news story - well done to everyone involved
Good news, but not for all.....

I am a working man who's employer will not care if the tour is in town or not and will expect me to be at work on time regardless .
I know this will bring visitors to the city, and I welcome it, but it will make traveling around quite difficult for those not involved.... Not a whinge but just explaining my view.
[quote][p][bold]moose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this? ' Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?[/p][/quote]Because we bid for it against two other regions. If we hadn't sent anyone, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got it. Did you also whinge when Cameron and Beckham went to Singapore to secure the Olympics? That's just how this stuff works - you speculate with some expenditure, and if you speculate well, you get a return far in excess of sending a few elected officials across the channel. This is a GOOD news story - well done to everyone involved[/p][/quote]Good news, but not for all..... I am a working man who's employer will not care if the tour is in town or not and will expect me to be at work on time regardless . I know this will bring visitors to the city, and I welcome it, but it will make traveling around quite difficult for those not involved.... Not a whinge but just explaining my view. Big Bad Wolf
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3:59pm Thu 17 Jan 13

TheTruthHurts says...

moose wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this?
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Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?
Because we bid for it against two other regions. If we hadn't sent anyone, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got it.

Did you also whinge when Cameron and Beckham went to Singapore to secure the Olympics?

That's just how this stuff works - you speculate with some expenditure, and if you speculate well, you get a return far in excess of sending a few elected officials across the channel.

This is a GOOD news story - well done to everyone involved
What other regions were we bidding against?
[quote][p][bold]moose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this? ' Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?[/p][/quote]Because we bid for it against two other regions. If we hadn't sent anyone, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got it. Did you also whinge when Cameron and Beckham went to Singapore to secure the Olympics? That's just how this stuff works - you speculate with some expenditure, and if you speculate well, you get a return far in excess of sending a few elected officials across the channel. This is a GOOD news story - well done to everyone involved[/p][/quote]What other regions were we bidding against? TheTruthHurts
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4:22pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

TheTruthHurts says:
(3:59pm)
"What other regions were we bidding against?"

Feasibly the Auvergne, the Loire Valley, the Alpes Maritime.....etc, etc.
TheTruthHurts says: (3:59pm) "What other regions were we bidding against?" Feasibly the Auvergne, the Loire Valley, the Alpes Maritime.....etc, etc. Trespar Zagenstuz
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4:46pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Woody G Mellor says...

Where can I see a map of the route/streets it will take through York?
Where can I see a map of the route/streets it will take through York? Woody G Mellor
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5:02pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
Where can I see a map of the route/streets it will take through York?
Sadly I doubt if the route will involve the snickleways and Shambles, although it would be fun if it did.....
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: Where can I see a map of the route/streets it will take through York?[/p][/quote]Sadly I doubt if the route will involve the snickleways and Shambles, although it would be fun if it did..... Trespar Zagenstuz
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5:22pm Thu 17 Jan 13

far2bizzy says...

amike wrote:
Surely the areas where the race finishes will get far more TV coverage, especially on the highlights programs, than where the race starts. So good for Harrogate and Sheffield. How much benefit to York......I wonder
Totally agree – York may benefit from the business the race brings - but as a marketing opportunity to sell York on the telly, this is a disappointment.

No-one bothers to watch the start.
[quote][p][bold]amike[/bold] wrote: Surely the areas where the race finishes will get far more TV coverage, especially on the highlights programs, than where the race starts. So good for Harrogate and Sheffield. How much benefit to York......I wonder[/p][/quote]Totally agree – York may benefit from the business the race brings - but as a marketing opportunity to sell York on the telly, this is a disappointment. No-one bothers to watch the start. far2bizzy
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5:29pm Thu 17 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

peterstreet wrote:
atorycouncil2014 wrote: I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense. These banners don't hold themselves up .....
I was wondering where all the whining buffoons were, I began to suspect that they were hiding because they might have to give Yorks very good Labour council and CYC,s very able officers some credit for the not insignificant part they played in bringing the tour to this region!! well done all,well done!! as to the buffoons, come on then give us all a good laugh to wind up a wonderfull day! mind, you must be a little worried, after all James Alexander and his Collegues seem to be developing a disconcerting habit of getting things done, despite the best efforts of a very poor coalition government!
Yes this is a success for Visit York as Leeds City Council I do agree.

What exactly have you and your Labour cronies achieved? Closure of Beckfield Lane Closure of Burnholme School. Failed attempt to sell Union Terrace. Turning Illuminating York into a national joke. Shambolic Fireworks display. Roads crumbling. No salt insult bins. Rubbish piling up on the streets. Failure to notice new are home in Fulford won't fit on the flood plain they want it to. Ward Committees destroyed.

They have however toured the country and Europe in search of the lesser spotted photo op
[quote][p][bold]peterstreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atorycouncil2014[/bold] wrote: I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense. These banners don't hold themselves up .....[/p][/quote]I was wondering where all the whining buffoons were, I began to suspect that they were hiding because they might have to give Yorks very good Labour council and CYC,s very able officers some credit for the not insignificant part they played in bringing the tour to this region!! well done all,well done!! as to the buffoons, come on then give us all a good laugh to wind up a wonderfull day! mind, you must be a little worried, after all James Alexander and his Collegues seem to be developing a disconcerting habit of getting things done, despite the best efforts of a very poor coalition government![/p][/quote]Yes this is a success for Visit York as Leeds City Council I do agree. What exactly have you and your Labour cronies achieved? Closure of Beckfield Lane Closure of Burnholme School. Failed attempt to sell Union Terrace. Turning Illuminating York into a national joke. Shambolic Fireworks display. Roads crumbling. No salt insult bins. Rubbish piling up on the streets. Failure to notice new are home in Fulford won't fit on the flood plain they want it to. Ward Committees destroyed. They have however toured the country and Europe in search of the lesser spotted photo op atorycouncil2014
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5:31pm Thu 17 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

By visit York I mean Welcome to Yirkshire. Now Gary Verity is a man who gets things done
By visit York I mean Welcome to Yirkshire. Now Gary Verity is a man who gets things done atorycouncil2014
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5:39pm Thu 17 Jan 13

FortyFour says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
moose wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this?
'
Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?
Because we bid for it against two other regions. If we hadn't sent anyone, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got it.

Did you also whinge when Cameron and Beckham went to Singapore to secure the Olympics?

That's just how this stuff works - you speculate with some expenditure, and if you speculate well, you get a return far in excess of sending a few elected officials across the channel.

This is a GOOD news story - well done to everyone involved
What other regions were we bidding against?
We were bidding against Luxembourg and Florence/Tuscany.
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this? ' Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?[/p][/quote]Because we bid for it against two other regions. If we hadn't sent anyone, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got it. Did you also whinge when Cameron and Beckham went to Singapore to secure the Olympics? That's just how this stuff works - you speculate with some expenditure, and if you speculate well, you get a return far in excess of sending a few elected officials across the channel. This is a GOOD news story - well done to everyone involved[/p][/quote]What other regions were we bidding against?[/p][/quote]We were bidding against Luxembourg and Florence/Tuscany. FortyFour
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5:45pm Thu 17 Jan 13

FortyFour says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
Where can I see a map of the route/streets it will take through York?
Based on the map on the Tour de France webesite (http://www.letour.f
r/le-tour/2013/us/gr
and-depart-2014.html ), it looks like:

Knavesmire Drive, Blossom St, Nunnery Lane, Skeldergate Bridge, Clifford St, Coney, possibly Blake St, Bootham, Water End, Boroughbridge Road, A59.
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: Where can I see a map of the route/streets it will take through York?[/p][/quote]Based on the map on the Tour de France webesite (http://www.letour.f r/le-tour/2013/us/gr and-depart-2014.html ), it looks like: Knavesmire Drive, Blossom St, Nunnery Lane, Skeldergate Bridge, Clifford St, Coney, possibly Blake St, Bootham, Water End, Boroughbridge Road, A59. FortyFour
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5:46pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

atorycouncil2014 says..:
"What exactly have you and your Labour cronies achieved? Closure of Beckfield Lane Closure of Burnholme School. Failed attempt to sell Union Terrace. Turning Illuminating York into a national joke. Shambolic Fireworks display. Roads crumbling. No salt insult bins. Rubbish piling up on the streets. Failure to notice new are home in Fulford won't fit on the flood plain they want it to. Ward Committees destroyed.

They have however toured the country and Europe in search of the lesser spotted photo op"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~
~~~~~
There is no site guaranteed to bring mirth to this column than a tory having a little hysteric fit of apoplexy.
atorycouncil2014 says..: "What exactly have you and your Labour cronies achieved? Closure of Beckfield Lane Closure of Burnholme School. Failed attempt to sell Union Terrace. Turning Illuminating York into a national joke. Shambolic Fireworks display. Roads crumbling. No salt insult bins. Rubbish piling up on the streets. Failure to notice new are home in Fulford won't fit on the flood plain they want it to. Ward Committees destroyed. They have however toured the country and Europe in search of the lesser spotted photo op" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~ ~~~~~ There is no site guaranteed to bring mirth to this column than a tory having a little hysteric fit of apoplexy. Trespar Zagenstuz
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5:53pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

atorycouncil2014 wrote:
By visit York I mean Welcome to Yirkshire. Now Gary Verity is a man who gets things done
Indeed. Word is he's the man who deserves the credit.
[quote][p][bold]atorycouncil2014[/bold] wrote: By visit York I mean Welcome to Yirkshire. Now Gary Verity is a man who gets things done[/p][/quote]Indeed. Word is he's the man who deserves the credit. Buzz Light-year
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5:59pm Thu 17 Jan 13

TheTruthHurts says...

FortyFour wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
moose wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote: Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this? ' Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?
Because we bid for it against two other regions. If we hadn't sent anyone, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got it. Did you also whinge when Cameron and Beckham went to Singapore to secure the Olympics? That's just how this stuff works - you speculate with some expenditure, and if you speculate well, you get a return far in excess of sending a few elected officials across the channel. This is a GOOD news story - well done to everyone involved
What other regions were we bidding against?
We were bidding against Luxembourg and Florence/Tuscany.
I was under the impression that it was confirmed that it was coming to Yorkshire a week or so ago?
[quote][p][bold]FortyFour[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this? ' Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?[/p][/quote]Because we bid for it against two other regions. If we hadn't sent anyone, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got it. Did you also whinge when Cameron and Beckham went to Singapore to secure the Olympics? That's just how this stuff works - you speculate with some expenditure, and if you speculate well, you get a return far in excess of sending a few elected officials across the channel. This is a GOOD news story - well done to everyone involved[/p][/quote]What other regions were we bidding against?[/p][/quote]We were bidding against Luxembourg and Florence/Tuscany.[/p][/quote]I was under the impression that it was confirmed that it was coming to Yorkshire a week or so ago? TheTruthHurts
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6:15pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Woody G Mellor says...

FortyFour wrote:
Woody G Mellor wrote:
Where can I see a map of the route/streets it will take through York?
Based on the map on the Tour de France webesite (http://www.letour.f

r/le-tour/2013/us/gr

and-depart-2014.html ), it looks like:

Knavesmire Drive, Blossom St, Nunnery Lane, Skeldergate Bridge, Clifford St, Coney, possibly Blake St, Bootham, Water End, Boroughbridge Road, A59.
Thanks!
[quote][p][bold]FortyFour[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: Where can I see a map of the route/streets it will take through York?[/p][/quote]Based on the map on the Tour de France webesite (http://www.letour.f r/le-tour/2013/us/gr and-depart-2014.html ), it looks like: Knavesmire Drive, Blossom St, Nunnery Lane, Skeldergate Bridge, Clifford St, Coney, possibly Blake St, Bootham, Water End, Boroughbridge Road, A59.[/p][/quote]Thanks! Woody G Mellor
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6:51pm Thu 17 Jan 13

nearlyman says...

Well I rather hope they get the roads in a fit state for this event. Am I alone in thinking that they have never been in such a shocking state as they are at present. It would be truly embarrassing for York were the competitors to come a cropper in some of our historic pot holes.
Well I rather hope they get the roads in a fit state for this event. Am I alone in thinking that they have never been in such a shocking state as they are at present. It would be truly embarrassing for York were the competitors to come a cropper in some of our historic pot holes. nearlyman
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8:59pm Thu 17 Jan 13

twotonethomas says...

atorycouncil2014 wrote:
By visit York I mean Welcome to Yirkshire. Now Gary Verity is a man who gets things done
At £200k plus a year I should hope he is.

I also notice that the tour is going through his home town. Now that's cronyism for you that even Labour councillors couldn't match.
[quote][p][bold]atorycouncil2014[/bold] wrote: By visit York I mean Welcome to Yirkshire. Now Gary Verity is a man who gets things done[/p][/quote]At £200k plus a year I should hope he is. I also notice that the tour is going through his home town. Now that's cronyism for you that even Labour councillors couldn't match. twotonethomas
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9:17pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Back and Beyond says...

FortyFour wrote:
Woody G Mellor wrote:
Where can I see a map of the route/streets it will take through York?
Based on the map on the Tour de France webesite (http://www.letour.f

r/le-tour/2013/us/gr

and-depart-2014.html ), it looks like:

Knavesmire Drive, Blossom St, Nunnery Lane, Skeldergate Bridge, Clifford St, Coney, possibly Blake St, Bootham, Water End, Boroughbridge Road, A59.
Not sure they are going past Water End? from the map it looks like they are going to use the quicker Westminster Road route..
[quote][p][bold]FortyFour[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: Where can I see a map of the route/streets it will take through York?[/p][/quote]Based on the map on the Tour de France webesite (http://www.letour.f r/le-tour/2013/us/gr and-depart-2014.html ), it looks like: Knavesmire Drive, Blossom St, Nunnery Lane, Skeldergate Bridge, Clifford St, Coney, possibly Blake St, Bootham, Water End, Boroughbridge Road, A59.[/p][/quote]Not sure they are going past Water End? from the map it looks like they are going to use the quicker Westminster Road route.. Back and Beyond
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9:38pm Thu 17 Jan 13

yorkshirelad says...

Just brilliant news...those who think it won't market York and Yorkshire have clearly never seen the TdF on TV. Massive worldwide exposure and actually the TV coverage does make quite a lot of the areas the tour passes through.

Tourism is a massive part of our economy in York and this sort of publicity is priceless.

Have a little look at the Tour on TV this July to see what a massive show it is and what we are in for in 2014.
Just brilliant news...those who think it won't market York and Yorkshire have clearly never seen the TdF on TV. Massive worldwide exposure and actually the TV coverage does make quite a lot of the areas the tour passes through. Tourism is a massive part of our economy in York and this sort of publicity is priceless. Have a little look at the Tour on TV this July to see what a massive show it is and what we are in for in 2014. yorkshirelad
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10:09pm Thu 17 Jan 13

gjh says...

FortyFour wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
moose wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this?
'
Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?
Because we bid for it against two other regions. If we hadn't sent anyone, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got it.

Did you also whinge when Cameron and Beckham went to Singapore to secure the Olympics?

That's just how this stuff works - you speculate with some expenditure, and if you speculate well, you get a return far in excess of sending a few elected officials across the channel.

This is a GOOD news story - well done to everyone involved
What other regions were we bidding against?
We were bidding against Luxembourg and Florence/Tuscany.
We were bidding against Edinburgh, Florence, Barcelona, Berlin and Venice. Yorkshire won it despite not being favoured by our own government. This is great news for our part of the world. It will be a massive benefit and, yes, York will get a lot of TV coverage as the event is transmitted live around the world. Let's show the world what a great place this is to live and what a great, friendly bunch of people we are. Vive le Tour or should that be Vive T' Tour
[quote][p][bold]FortyFour[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: Why is it necessary for James Alexander And Kersten England to be in Paris for this? ' Also why is James Alexander looking like a tramp?[/p][/quote]Because we bid for it against two other regions. If we hadn't sent anyone, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got it. Did you also whinge when Cameron and Beckham went to Singapore to secure the Olympics? That's just how this stuff works - you speculate with some expenditure, and if you speculate well, you get a return far in excess of sending a few elected officials across the channel. This is a GOOD news story - well done to everyone involved[/p][/quote]What other regions were we bidding against?[/p][/quote]We were bidding against Luxembourg and Florence/Tuscany.[/p][/quote]We were bidding against Edinburgh, Florence, Barcelona, Berlin and Venice. Yorkshire won it despite not being favoured by our own government. This is great news for our part of the world. It will be a massive benefit and, yes, York will get a lot of TV coverage as the event is transmitted live around the world. Let's show the world what a great place this is to live and what a great, friendly bunch of people we are. Vive le Tour or should that be Vive T' Tour gjh
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10:35pm Thu 17 Jan 13

henleazeyorkie says...

Make no mistake, this is a seriously good thing for the people of York - if you want it to be.

It won't suit everyone for different reasons, nothing ever has done or ever will, but having had the good fortune to experience Le Tour in Kent a few years back, it will be a great week or two leading up to it and day itself for those who want to embrace it.

Of course, if you're not bothered - simply don't bother. You'll be pleased to know it won't happen again.......
Make no mistake, this is a seriously good thing for the people of York - if you want it to be. It won't suit everyone for different reasons, nothing ever has done or ever will, but having had the good fortune to experience Le Tour in Kent a few years back, it will be a great week or two leading up to it and day itself for those who want to embrace it. Of course, if you're not bothered - simply don't bother. You'll be pleased to know it won't happen again....... henleazeyorkie
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10:43pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Paul Hepworth says...

Oh dearie me...there really are some sceptics out there. I'm highly delighted by the news of the route. York..a premier cycling city and Harrogate where the national cyclists organisation CTC was founded in 1878 as the Bicycle Touring Club.
As Chair of the York Cycle Show Committee, I'm looking forward to us helping to publicise the TdF.
A shameless plug below for our 2013 Show. June 22nd & 23rd on the Knavesmire.
www.yorkcycleshow.co
.uk
Oh dearie me...there really are some sceptics out there. I'm highly delighted by the news of the route. York..a premier cycling city and Harrogate where the national cyclists organisation CTC was founded in 1878 as the Bicycle Touring Club. As Chair of the York Cycle Show Committee, I'm looking forward to us helping to publicise the TdF. A shameless plug below for our 2013 Show. June 22nd & 23rd on the Knavesmire. www.yorkcycleshow.co .uk Paul Hepworth
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10:51pm Thu 17 Jan 13

notmyrealname says...

Good news - Lets hope the Council dont mess up - far better to host this than drunken race meetings and stupid bankrupt big wheels. Lets welcome the cyclists and make it worthwhile
Good news - Lets hope the Council dont mess up - far better to host this than drunken race meetings and stupid bankrupt big wheels. Lets welcome the cyclists and make it worthwhile notmyrealname
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10:51pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Trespar Zagenstuz wrote:
atorycouncil2014 wrote:
"I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~

~~~~~

"Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity."
Robert A. Heinlein.

Oh, how miffed are the tories for not securing this opportunity.
Had they been on the Eurostar, they'd be praising this as a "worthy fact-finding mission that will secure much..blah..blah....

".

I suppose they cannot now eat humble pie as it would not be claimable on expenses....
It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money.

Could someone tell me who exactly benefits ?

What parts of the economy make all this extra money ?

Is it just tourism, eg hotels ?
[quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: atorycouncil2014 wrote: "I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~ ~~~~~ "Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." Robert A. Heinlein. Oh, how miffed are the tories for not securing this opportunity. Had they been on the Eurostar, they'd be praising this as a "worthy fact-finding mission that will secure much..blah..blah.... ". I suppose they cannot now eat humble pie as it would not be claimable on expenses....[/p][/quote]It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money. Could someone tell me who exactly benefits ? What parts of the economy make all this extra money ? Is it just tourism, eg hotels ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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6:52am Fri 18 Jan 13

peterstreet says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Trespar Zagenstuz wrote:
atorycouncil2014 wrote:
"I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~


~~~~~

"Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity."
Robert A. Heinlein.

Oh, how miffed are the tories for not securing this opportunity.
Had they been on the Eurostar, they'd be praising this as a "worthy fact-finding mission that will secure much..blah..blah....


".

I suppose they cannot now eat humble pie as it would not be claimable on expenses....
It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money.

Could someone tell me who exactly benefits ?

What parts of the economy make all this extra money ?

Is it just tourism, eg hotels ?
do your own research whining buffoon!
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: atorycouncil2014 wrote: "I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~ ~~~~~ "Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." Robert A. Heinlein. Oh, how miffed are the tories for not securing this opportunity. Had they been on the Eurostar, they'd be praising this as a "worthy fact-finding mission that will secure much..blah..blah.... ". I suppose they cannot now eat humble pie as it would not be claimable on expenses....[/p][/quote]It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money. Could someone tell me who exactly benefits ? What parts of the economy make all this extra money ? Is it just tourism, eg hotels ?[/p][/quote]do your own research whining buffoon! peterstreet
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7:43am Fri 18 Jan 13

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

I am genuinely excited about the tour coming to York, I will be on the streets watching with the thousands of others.

But for all the people on here saying that this will bring recognition and money to York. How many of you have been to any of the other towns and cities that have hosted this event, solely because you watched the tour and thought
"that looks like a nice place to visit?"
I am genuinely excited about the tour coming to York, I will be on the streets watching with the thousands of others. But for all the people on here saying that this will bring recognition and money to York. How many of you have been to any of the other towns and cities that have hosted this event, solely because you watched the tour and thought "that looks like a nice place to visit?" NoNewsIsGoodNews
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9:54am Fri 18 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

Scarlet Pimpernel says:
(10:51pm Thu 17 Jan) "It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money......
What parts of the economy make all this extra money"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~
~~~~~~~
Your first statement conflates two separate elements, S.Pimpernel.
If it was not secured by politicians, local politicians that is, who was it secured by? An army of traffic wardens? A consortium of York's Cycle-shops? Students?
And I trust it was secured by 'council money', unlike the Coe-limpics, which was secured by fat paybacks from fat company directors who where sponsoring the event. I shall be most disappointed to find the same happening with regard to 'The Tour'.
Who will benefit? Perhaps the shops in York might benefit a little, and don't they just need a small injection of money, thanks to the economic mismanagement by our 'wrecking-ball' Chancellor....
York tourism might benefit, Barnitts and Boyes might benefit, the streets and roads might benefit, and you, S. Pimpernel, might even feel the benefit.
Scarlet Pimpernel says: (10:51pm Thu 17 Jan) "It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money...... What parts of the economy make all this extra money" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~ ~~~~~~~ Your first statement conflates two separate elements, S.Pimpernel. If it was not secured by politicians, local politicians that is, who was it secured by? An army of traffic wardens? A consortium of York's Cycle-shops? Students? And I trust it was secured by 'council money', unlike the Coe-limpics, which was secured by fat paybacks from fat company directors who where sponsoring the event. I shall be most disappointed to find the same happening with regard to 'The Tour'. Who will benefit? Perhaps the shops in York might benefit a little, and don't they just need a small injection of money, thanks to the economic mismanagement by our 'wrecking-ball' Chancellor.... York tourism might benefit, Barnitts and Boyes might benefit, the streets and roads might benefit, and you, S. Pimpernel, might even feel the benefit. Trespar Zagenstuz
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1:22pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

peterstreet wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Trespar Zagenstuz wrote: atorycouncil2014 wrote: "I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~ ~~~~~ "Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." Robert A. Heinlein. Oh, how miffed are the tories for not securing this opportunity. Had they been on the Eurostar, they'd be praising this as a "worthy fact-finding mission that will secure much..blah..blah.... ". I suppose they cannot now eat humble pie as it would not be claimable on expenses....
It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money. Could someone tell me who exactly benefits ? What parts of the economy make all this extra money ? Is it just tourism, eg hotels ?
do your own research whining buffoon!
No, I will not.

It is the job of those who make these claims to explain and substantiate who will benefit. .

Millions of tax-payers money has been paid out by councils to attract this event, and they should provide details of where the millions they predict will come into the economy will end up ?

If it is the tourism industry, then why can't this industry pay the cost of attracting it, instead of using tax-payers money which could be better spent on more needy areas ?
[quote][p][bold]peterstreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: atorycouncil2014 wrote: "I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~ ~~~~~ "Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." Robert A. Heinlein. Oh, how miffed are the tories for not securing this opportunity. Had they been on the Eurostar, they'd be praising this as a "worthy fact-finding mission that will secure much..blah..blah.... ". I suppose they cannot now eat humble pie as it would not be claimable on expenses....[/p][/quote]It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money. Could someone tell me who exactly benefits ? What parts of the economy make all this extra money ? Is it just tourism, eg hotels ?[/p][/quote]do your own research whining buffoon![/p][/quote]No, I will not. It is the job of those who make these claims to explain and substantiate who will benefit. . Millions of tax-payers money has been paid out by councils to attract this event, and they should provide details of where the millions they predict will come into the economy will end up ? If it is the tourism industry, then why can't this industry pay the cost of attracting it, instead of using tax-payers money which could be better spent on more needy areas ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:32pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Trespar Zagenstuz wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel says: (10:51pm Thu 17 Jan) "It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money...... What parts of the economy make all this extra money" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~ ~~~~~~~ Your first statement conflates two separate elements, S.Pimpernel. If it was not secured by politicians, local politicians that is, who was it secured by? An army of traffic wardens? A consortium of York's Cycle-shops? Students? And I trust it was secured by 'council money', unlike the Coe-limpics, which was secured by fat paybacks from fat company directors who where sponsoring the event. I shall be most disappointed to find the same happening with regard to 'The Tour'. Who will benefit? Perhaps the shops in York might benefit a little, and don't they just need a small injection of money, thanks to the economic mismanagement by our 'wrecking-ball' Chancellor.... York tourism might benefit, Barnitts and Boyes might benefit, the streets and roads might benefit, and you, S. Pimpernel, might even feel the benefit.
Gary Verity of Visit Yorkshire secured it, with support from Councils, not politicians. Councils provided the funding.

I don't want to know who 'might' benefit. I want to know who WILL benefit. The streets and roads will be paid for by who exactly ?

This is the problem with Labour stooges, they haven't got a clue about the economics, like those they support, they bluster and use oblique explanations and truly are 'something for nothing' merchants who waste money on vanity projects.
[quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: Scarlet Pimpernel says: (10:51pm Thu 17 Jan) "It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money...... What parts of the economy make all this extra money" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~ ~~~~~~~ Your first statement conflates two separate elements, S.Pimpernel. If it was not secured by politicians, local politicians that is, who was it secured by? An army of traffic wardens? A consortium of York's Cycle-shops? Students? And I trust it was secured by 'council money', unlike the Coe-limpics, which was secured by fat paybacks from fat company directors who where sponsoring the event. I shall be most disappointed to find the same happening with regard to 'The Tour'. Who will benefit? Perhaps the shops in York might benefit a little, and don't they just need a small injection of money, thanks to the economic mismanagement by our 'wrecking-ball' Chancellor.... York tourism might benefit, Barnitts and Boyes might benefit, the streets and roads might benefit, and you, S. Pimpernel, might even feel the benefit.[/p][/quote]Gary Verity of Visit Yorkshire secured it, with support from Councils, not politicians. Councils provided the funding. I don't want to know who 'might' benefit. I want to know who WILL benefit. The streets and roads will be paid for by who exactly ? This is the problem with Labour stooges, they haven't got a clue about the economics, like those they support, they bluster and use oblique explanations and truly are 'something for nothing' merchants who waste money on vanity projects. Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:56pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

How come the photo of Coun Alexander and Kersten England was taken at night ? It was posted at 10.42am, and tweeted by James Alexander at 11.20am.

Maybe they didn't want us to know that they were there the day before too ?
How come the photo of Coun Alexander and Kersten England was taken at night ? It was posted at 10.42am, and tweeted by James Alexander at 11.20am. Maybe they didn't want us to know that they were there the day before too ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:34pm Fri 18 Jan 13

peterstreet says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
peterstreet wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Trespar Zagenstuz wrote: atorycouncil2014 wrote: "I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~ ~~~~~ "Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." Robert A. Heinlein. Oh, how miffed are the tories for not securing this opportunity. Had they been on the Eurostar, they'd be praising this as a "worthy fact-finding mission that will secure much..blah..blah.... ". I suppose they cannot now eat humble pie as it would not be claimable on expenses....
It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money. Could someone tell me who exactly benefits ? What parts of the economy make all this extra money ? Is it just tourism, eg hotels ?
do your own research whining buffoon!
No, I will not.

It is the job of those who make these claims to explain and substantiate who will benefit. .

Millions of tax-payers money has been paid out by councils to attract this event, and they should provide details of where the millions they predict will come into the economy will end up ?

If it is the tourism industry, then why can't this industry pay the cost of attracting it, instead of using tax-payers money which could be better spent on more needy areas ?
Am I the only poster who thinks that "red pimp" is a whining buffoon, still I.m glad he has tory council for a partner. Together they make a wonderfull half- wit! well allmost !!
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peterstreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: atorycouncil2014 wrote: "I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~ ~~~~~ "Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." Robert A. Heinlein. Oh, how miffed are the tories for not securing this opportunity. Had they been on the Eurostar, they'd be praising this as a "worthy fact-finding mission that will secure much..blah..blah.... ". I suppose they cannot now eat humble pie as it would not be claimable on expenses....[/p][/quote]It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money. Could someone tell me who exactly benefits ? What parts of the economy make all this extra money ? Is it just tourism, eg hotels ?[/p][/quote]do your own research whining buffoon![/p][/quote]No, I will not. It is the job of those who make these claims to explain and substantiate who will benefit. . Millions of tax-payers money has been paid out by councils to attract this event, and they should provide details of where the millions they predict will come into the economy will end up ? If it is the tourism industry, then why can't this industry pay the cost of attracting it, instead of using tax-payers money which could be better spent on more needy areas ?[/p][/quote]Am I the only poster who thinks that "red pimp" is a whining buffoon, still I.m glad he has tory council for a partner. Together they make a wonderfull half- wit! well allmost !! peterstreet
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3:03pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

"....they haven't got a clue about the economics"....
...unlike the tory Uberstooge, towel-folder in chief, and Chancer (sic) of the Exchequer, eh,..... S.Pimpernel?
"....they haven't got a clue about the economics".... ...unlike the tory Uberstooge, towel-folder in chief, and Chancer (sic) of the Exchequer, eh,..... S.Pimpernel? Trespar Zagenstuz
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3:08pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

"If it is the tourism industry, then why can't this industry pay the cost of attracting it, instead of using tax-payers money which could be better spent on more needy areas"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~
~~~~
Mr (?) Pimpernel, I trust you were seriously lobbying Boris Johnson about spending 14 billion pounds of tax-payers' money on the coe-limpic farrago?
Or was that OK, given it was money being spent by the Toffs for their sports day?
"If it is the tourism industry, then why can't this industry pay the cost of attracting it, instead of using tax-payers money which could be better spent on more needy areas" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~ ~~~~ Mr (?) Pimpernel, I trust you were seriously lobbying Boris Johnson about spending 14 billion pounds of tax-payers' money on the coe-limpic farrago? Or was that OK, given it was money being spent by the Toffs for their sports day? Trespar Zagenstuz
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3:22pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Trespar Zagenstuz wrote:
"If it is the tourism industry, then why can't this industry pay the cost of attracting it, instead of using tax-payers money which could be better spent on more needy areas" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~ ~~~~ Mr (?) Pimpernel, I trust you were seriously lobbying Boris Johnson about spending 14 billion pounds of tax-payers' money on the coe-limpic farrago? Or was that OK, given it was money being spent by the Toffs for their sports day?
Is that the Olympics that Tessa Jowel was awarded her Dame'hood for ? Is she a Tory then ? Wasn't the bid for the 2012 Olympics made under Labour ?

Don't let the facts get in the way of your selective memory and Labour propaganda.
[quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: "If it is the tourism industry, then why can't this industry pay the cost of attracting it, instead of using tax-payers money which could be better spent on more needy areas" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~ ~~~~ Mr (?) Pimpernel, I trust you were seriously lobbying Boris Johnson about spending 14 billion pounds of tax-payers' money on the coe-limpic farrago? Or was that OK, given it was money being spent by the Toffs for their sports day?[/p][/quote]Is that the Olympics that Tessa Jowel was awarded her Dame'hood for ? Is she a Tory then ? Wasn't the bid for the 2012 Olympics made under Labour ? Don't let the facts get in the way of your selective memory and Labour propaganda. Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:25pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

peterstreet wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
peterstreet wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Trespar Zagenstuz wrote: atorycouncil2014 wrote: "I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~ ~~~~~ "Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." Robert A. Heinlein. Oh, how miffed are the tories for not securing this opportunity. Had they been on the Eurostar, they'd be praising this as a "worthy fact-finding mission that will secure much..blah..blah.... ". I suppose they cannot now eat humble pie as it would not be claimable on expenses....
It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money. Could someone tell me who exactly benefits ? What parts of the economy make all this extra money ? Is it just tourism, eg hotels ?
do your own research whining buffoon!
No, I will not. It is the job of those who make these claims to explain and substantiate who will benefit. . Millions of tax-payers money has been paid out by councils to attract this event, and they should provide details of where the millions they predict will come into the economy will end up ? If it is the tourism industry, then why can't this industry pay the cost of attracting it, instead of using tax-payers money which could be better spent on more needy areas ?
Am I the only poster who thinks that "red pimp" is a whining buffoon, still I.m glad he has tory council for a partner. Together they make a wonderfull half- wit! well allmost !!
You are the only ignorant, Labour troll, poster whipping up bile and vitriol, that's for sure !
[quote][p][bold]peterstreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peterstreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: atorycouncil2014 wrote: "I see Calamity James has seize on another opportunity for free international travel at the taxpayers expense." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~ ~~~~~ "Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity." Robert A. Heinlein. Oh, how miffed are the tories for not securing this opportunity. Had they been on the Eurostar, they'd be praising this as a "worthy fact-finding mission that will secure much..blah..blah.... ". I suppose they cannot now eat humble pie as it would not be claimable on expenses....[/p][/quote]It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money. Could someone tell me who exactly benefits ? What parts of the economy make all this extra money ? Is it just tourism, eg hotels ?[/p][/quote]do your own research whining buffoon![/p][/quote]No, I will not. It is the job of those who make these claims to explain and substantiate who will benefit. . Millions of tax-payers money has been paid out by councils to attract this event, and they should provide details of where the millions they predict will come into the economy will end up ? If it is the tourism industry, then why can't this industry pay the cost of attracting it, instead of using tax-payers money which could be better spent on more needy areas ?[/p][/quote]Am I the only poster who thinks that "red pimp" is a whining buffoon, still I.m glad he has tory council for a partner. Together they make a wonderfull half- wit! well allmost !![/p][/quote]You are the only ignorant, Labour troll, poster whipping up bile and vitriol, that's for sure ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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5:34pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

Scarlet Pimpernel says...
(1:56pm Fri 18 Jan)
"How come the photo of Coun Alexander and Kersten England was taken at night ? It was posted at 10.42am, and tweeted by James Alexander at 11.20am."
Maybe they didn't want us to know that they were there the day before too ?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~
~~~~~~
I believe they also forgot to tell you what they had for lunch.
Perhaps you would have preferred them to be transported by helicopter, so as they could get there, have a day's conferences, and return within hours of setting out. However, I suspect they took the train. It's considerably cheaper.
But full marks for your enthusiastic detective-work.
Scarlet Pimpernel says... (1:56pm Fri 18 Jan) "How come the photo of Coun Alexander and Kersten England was taken at night ? It was posted at 10.42am, and tweeted by James Alexander at 11.20am." Maybe they didn't want us to know that they were there the day before too ?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~ ~~~~~~ I believe they also forgot to tell you what they had for lunch. Perhaps you would have preferred them to be transported by helicopter, so as they could get there, have a day's conferences, and return within hours of setting out. However, I suspect they took the train. It's considerably cheaper. But full marks for your enthusiastic detective-work. Trespar Zagenstuz
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7:19pm Fri 18 Jan 13

nearlyman says...

Trespar Zagenstuz wrote:
"....they haven't got a clue about the economics"....
...unlike the tory Uberstooge, towel-folder in chief, and Chancer (sic) of the Exchequer, eh,..... S.Pimpernel?
And what of Ed balls up ! Even the Labour party are embarrassed about him.
[quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: "....they haven't got a clue about the economics".... ...unlike the tory Uberstooge, towel-folder in chief, and Chancer (sic) of the Exchequer, eh,..... S.Pimpernel?[/p][/quote]And what of Ed balls up ! Even the Labour party are embarrassed about him. nearlyman
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10:42pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Arblaster says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Trespar Zagenstuz wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel says: (10:51pm Thu 17 Jan) "It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money...... What parts of the economy make all this extra money" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~ ~~~~~~~ Your first statement conflates two separate elements, S.Pimpernel. If it was not secured by politicians, local politicians that is, who was it secured by? An army of traffic wardens? A consortium of York's Cycle-shops? Students? And I trust it was secured by 'council money', unlike the Coe-limpics, which was secured by fat paybacks from fat company directors who where sponsoring the event. I shall be most disappointed to find the same happening with regard to 'The Tour'. Who will benefit? Perhaps the shops in York might benefit a little, and don't they just need a small injection of money, thanks to the economic mismanagement by our 'wrecking-ball' Chancellor.... York tourism might benefit, Barnitts and Boyes might benefit, the streets and roads might benefit, and you, S. Pimpernel, might even feel the benefit.
Gary Verity of Visit Yorkshire secured it, with support from Councils, not politicians. Councils provided the funding.

I don't want to know who 'might' benefit. I want to know who WILL benefit. The streets and roads will be paid for by who exactly ?

This is the problem with Labour stooges, they haven't got a clue about the economics, like those they support, they bluster and use oblique explanations and truly are 'something for nothing' merchants who waste money on vanity projects.
since you like slagging of the labour maybe you can telll us who benefits, as you say somebody WILL benefit. or havnt you got a clue abour economics either? cyclists might benefit, so thats good enough for me!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: Scarlet Pimpernel says: (10:51pm Thu 17 Jan) "It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money...... What parts of the economy make all this extra money" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~ ~~~~~~~ Your first statement conflates two separate elements, S.Pimpernel. If it was not secured by politicians, local politicians that is, who was it secured by? An army of traffic wardens? A consortium of York's Cycle-shops? Students? And I trust it was secured by 'council money', unlike the Coe-limpics, which was secured by fat paybacks from fat company directors who where sponsoring the event. I shall be most disappointed to find the same happening with regard to 'The Tour'. Who will benefit? Perhaps the shops in York might benefit a little, and don't they just need a small injection of money, thanks to the economic mismanagement by our 'wrecking-ball' Chancellor.... York tourism might benefit, Barnitts and Boyes might benefit, the streets and roads might benefit, and you, S. Pimpernel, might even feel the benefit.[/p][/quote]Gary Verity of Visit Yorkshire secured it, with support from Councils, not politicians. Councils provided the funding. I don't want to know who 'might' benefit. I want to know who WILL benefit. The streets and roads will be paid for by who exactly ? This is the problem with Labour stooges, they haven't got a clue about the economics, like those they support, they bluster and use oblique explanations and truly are 'something for nothing' merchants who waste money on vanity projects.[/p][/quote]since you like slagging of the labour maybe you can telll us who benefits, as you say somebody WILL benefit. or havnt you got a clue abour economics either? cyclists might benefit, so thats good enough for me!!!! Arblaster
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10:44pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Trespar Zagenstuz wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel says...
(1:56pm Fri 18 Jan)
"How come the photo of Coun Alexander and Kersten England was taken at night ? It was posted at 10.42am, and tweeted by James Alexander at 11.20am."
Maybe they didn't want us to know that they were there the day before too ?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~

~~~~~~
I believe they also forgot to tell you what they had for lunch.
Perhaps you would have preferred them to be transported by helicopter, so as they could get there, have a day's conferences, and return within hours of setting out. However, I suspect they took the train. It's considerably cheaper.
But full marks for your enthusiastic detective-work.
Well they jetted back in the afternoon to attend the big shindig in Leeds, so no expense spared. It's just one long tax-payer funded party for these two, with plenty of photo opportunities thrown in between tweets !

Why did they have to be in Paris in the morning, when there was the media event, dinner and fireworks in Leeds in the evening ?
[quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: Scarlet Pimpernel says... (1:56pm Fri 18 Jan) "How come the photo of Coun Alexander and Kersten England was taken at night ? It was posted at 10.42am, and tweeted by James Alexander at 11.20am." Maybe they didn't want us to know that they were there the day before too ?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~ ~~~~~~ I believe they also forgot to tell you what they had for lunch. Perhaps you would have preferred them to be transported by helicopter, so as they could get there, have a day's conferences, and return within hours of setting out. However, I suspect they took the train. It's considerably cheaper. But full marks for your enthusiastic detective-work.[/p][/quote]Well they jetted back in the afternoon to attend the big shindig in Leeds, so no expense spared. It's just one long tax-payer funded party for these two, with plenty of photo opportunities thrown in between tweets ! Why did they have to be in Paris in the morning, when there was the media event, dinner and fireworks in Leeds in the evening ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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10:54pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Arblaster says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Trespar Zagenstuz wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel says...
(1:56pm Fri 18 Jan)
"How come the photo of Coun Alexander and Kersten England was taken at night ? It was posted at 10.42am, and tweeted by James Alexander at 11.20am."
Maybe they didn't want us to know that they were there the day before too ?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~


~~~~~~
I believe they also forgot to tell you what they had for lunch.
Perhaps you would have preferred them to be transported by helicopter, so as they could get there, have a day's conferences, and return within hours of setting out. However, I suspect they took the train. It's considerably cheaper.
But full marks for your enthusiastic detective-work.
Well they jetted back in the afternoon to attend the big shindig in Leeds, so no expense spared. It's just one long tax-payer funded party for these two, with plenty of photo opportunities thrown in between tweets !

Why did they have to be in Paris in the morning, when there was the media event, dinner and fireworks in Leeds in the evening ?
why are you asking people here these sily questions.? nobody here would know the answers. maybe they had to be in paris because thats when the meeting was. it might not have been their choice in the matter. then they had to get back to leeds. politicians go back and forth. david cameron flies back and forth to europe, why dont you ask him why he does.?
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: Scarlet Pimpernel says... (1:56pm Fri 18 Jan) "How come the photo of Coun Alexander and Kersten England was taken at night ? It was posted at 10.42am, and tweeted by James Alexander at 11.20am." Maybe they didn't want us to know that they were there the day before too ?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~ ~~~~~~ I believe they also forgot to tell you what they had for lunch. Perhaps you would have preferred them to be transported by helicopter, so as they could get there, have a day's conferences, and return within hours of setting out. However, I suspect they took the train. It's considerably cheaper. But full marks for your enthusiastic detective-work.[/p][/quote]Well they jetted back in the afternoon to attend the big shindig in Leeds, so no expense spared. It's just one long tax-payer funded party for these two, with plenty of photo opportunities thrown in between tweets ! Why did they have to be in Paris in the morning, when there was the media event, dinner and fireworks in Leeds in the evening ?[/p][/quote]why are you asking people here these sily questions.? nobody here would know the answers. maybe they had to be in paris because thats when the meeting was. it might not have been their choice in the matter. then they had to get back to leeds. politicians go back and forth. david cameron flies back and forth to europe, why dont you ask him why he does.? Arblaster
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10:56pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Arblaster wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Trespar Zagenstuz wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel says: (10:51pm Thu 17 Jan) "It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money...... What parts of the economy make all this extra money" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~ ~~~~~~~ Your first statement conflates two separate elements, S.Pimpernel. If it was not secured by politicians, local politicians that is, who was it secured by? An army of traffic wardens? A consortium of York's Cycle-shops? Students? And I trust it was secured by 'council money', unlike the Coe-limpics, which was secured by fat paybacks from fat company directors who where sponsoring the event. I shall be most disappointed to find the same happening with regard to 'The Tour'. Who will benefit? Perhaps the shops in York might benefit a little, and don't they just need a small injection of money, thanks to the economic mismanagement by our 'wrecking-ball' Chancellor.... York tourism might benefit, Barnitts and Boyes might benefit, the streets and roads might benefit, and you, S. Pimpernel, might even feel the benefit.
Gary Verity of Visit Yorkshire secured it, with support from Councils, not politicians. Councils provided the funding.

I don't want to know who 'might' benefit. I want to know who WILL benefit. The streets and roads will be paid for by who exactly ?

This is the problem with Labour stooges, they haven't got a clue about the economics, like those they support, they bluster and use oblique explanations and truly are 'something for nothing' merchants who waste money on vanity projects.
since you like slagging of the labour maybe you can telll us who benefits, as you say somebody WILL benefit. or havnt you got a clue abour economics either? cyclists might benefit, so thats good enough for me!!!!
Which cyclists 'might' benefit, and how ?

Tourism will get some free marketing, and a boost for a few days. I doubt that there will be much of a legacy though. It's not like there will be any buildings/regenerati
on left behind like the olympics - remember them - they took place last year ? !!!
[quote][p][bold]Arblaster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: Scarlet Pimpernel says: (10:51pm Thu 17 Jan) "It wasn't secured by politicians, but was secured using council money...... What parts of the economy make all this extra money" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~ ~~~~~~~ Your first statement conflates two separate elements, S.Pimpernel. If it was not secured by politicians, local politicians that is, who was it secured by? An army of traffic wardens? A consortium of York's Cycle-shops? Students? And I trust it was secured by 'council money', unlike the Coe-limpics, which was secured by fat paybacks from fat company directors who where sponsoring the event. I shall be most disappointed to find the same happening with regard to 'The Tour'. Who will benefit? Perhaps the shops in York might benefit a little, and don't they just need a small injection of money, thanks to the economic mismanagement by our 'wrecking-ball' Chancellor.... York tourism might benefit, Barnitts and Boyes might benefit, the streets and roads might benefit, and you, S. Pimpernel, might even feel the benefit.[/p][/quote]Gary Verity of Visit Yorkshire secured it, with support from Councils, not politicians. Councils provided the funding. I don't want to know who 'might' benefit. I want to know who WILL benefit. The streets and roads will be paid for by who exactly ? This is the problem with Labour stooges, they haven't got a clue about the economics, like those they support, they bluster and use oblique explanations and truly are 'something for nothing' merchants who waste money on vanity projects.[/p][/quote]since you like slagging of the labour maybe you can telll us who benefits, as you say somebody WILL benefit. or havnt you got a clue abour economics either? cyclists might benefit, so thats good enough for me!!!![/p][/quote]Which cyclists 'might' benefit, and how ? Tourism will get some free marketing, and a boost for a few days. I doubt that there will be much of a legacy though. It's not like there will be any buildings/regenerati on left behind like the olympics - remember them - they took place last year ? !!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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11:06pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Arblaster wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Trespar Zagenstuz wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel says...
(1:56pm Fri 18 Jan)
"How come the photo of Coun Alexander and Kersten England was taken at night ? It was posted at 10.42am, and tweeted by James Alexander at 11.20am."
Maybe they didn't want us to know that they were there the day before too ?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~



~~~~~~
I believe they also forgot to tell you what they had for lunch.
Perhaps you would have preferred them to be transported by helicopter, so as they could get there, have a day's conferences, and return within hours of setting out. However, I suspect they took the train. It's considerably cheaper.
But full marks for your enthusiastic detective-work.
Well they jetted back in the afternoon to attend the big shindig in Leeds, so no expense spared. It's just one long tax-payer funded party for these two, with plenty of photo opportunities thrown in between tweets !

Why did they have to be in Paris in the morning, when there was the media event, dinner and fireworks in Leeds in the evening ?
why are you asking people here these sily questions.? nobody here would know the answers. maybe they had to be in paris because thats when the meeting was. it might not have been their choice in the matter. then they had to get back to leeds. politicians go back and forth. david cameron flies back and forth to europe, why dont you ask him why he does.?
Oh, you don't think so ?

I think you will find that there are plenty of #teamyork following this thread, reporting back to the international jetsetting council leadership.

It's good to know that York Council have PR experts like you, fending off difficult questions. Alastair Campbell will be asking you for tips next.
[quote][p][bold]Arblaster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: Scarlet Pimpernel says... (1:56pm Fri 18 Jan) "How come the photo of Coun Alexander and Kersten England was taken at night ? It was posted at 10.42am, and tweeted by James Alexander at 11.20am." Maybe they didn't want us to know that they were there the day before too ?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~ ~~~~~~ I believe they also forgot to tell you what they had for lunch. Perhaps you would have preferred them to be transported by helicopter, so as they could get there, have a day's conferences, and return within hours of setting out. However, I suspect they took the train. It's considerably cheaper. But full marks for your enthusiastic detective-work.[/p][/quote]Well they jetted back in the afternoon to attend the big shindig in Leeds, so no expense spared. It's just one long tax-payer funded party for these two, with plenty of photo opportunities thrown in between tweets ! Why did they have to be in Paris in the morning, when there was the media event, dinner and fireworks in Leeds in the evening ?[/p][/quote]why are you asking people here these sily questions.? nobody here would know the answers. maybe they had to be in paris because thats when the meeting was. it might not have been their choice in the matter. then they had to get back to leeds. politicians go back and forth. david cameron flies back and forth to europe, why dont you ask him why he does.?[/p][/quote]Oh, you don't think so ? I think you will find that there are plenty of #teamyork following this thread, reporting back to the international jetsetting council leadership. It's good to know that York Council have PR experts like you, fending off difficult questions. Alastair Campbell will be asking you for tips next. Scarlet Pimpernel
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11:30pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Arblaster wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Trespar Zagenstuz wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel says...
(1:56pm Fri 18 Jan)
"How come the photo of Coun Alexander and Kersten England was taken at night ? It was posted at 10.42am, and tweeted by James Alexander at 11.20am."
Maybe they didn't want us to know that they were there the day before too ?"
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I believe they also forgot to tell you what they had for lunch.
Perhaps you would have preferred them to be transported by helicopter, so as they could get there, have a day's conferences, and return within hours of setting out. However, I suspect they took the train. It's considerably cheaper.
But full marks for your enthusiastic detective-work.
Well they jetted back in the afternoon to attend the big shindig in Leeds, so no expense spared. It's just one long tax-payer funded party for these two, with plenty of photo opportunities thrown in between tweets !

Why did they have to be in Paris in the morning, when there was the media event, dinner and fireworks in Leeds in the evening ?
why are you asking people here these sily questions.? nobody here would know the answers. maybe they had to be in paris because thats when the meeting was. it might not have been their choice in the matter. then they had to get back to leeds. politicians go back and forth. david cameron flies back and forth to europe, why dont you ask him why he does.?
Oh, you don't think so ?

I think you will find that there are plenty of #teamyork following this thread, reporting back to the international jetsetting council leadership.

It's good to know that York Council have PR experts like you, fending off difficult questions. Alastair Campbell will be asking you for tips next.
SP, I don't think "Arblaster" is a PR expert ,for the simple reason that he appears unable to string a proper sentence together.
However, I'm impressed that #teamyork will, or might perchance be following this thread.
But seriously, then, why do you not ask /them/ all your questions? I'm beginning to think these questions of yours are a little bit rhetorical....
You also make mention of 'the buildings and regeneration left by the Olympics last year'. I do remember them , (how could one forget, given they were rammed down one's throat morning, noon and night), I am not really sure I follow your comparison here, because I doubt if York City Council are planning to build a velodrome or a new pointless shopping-centre on the edge of The Knavesmire, on the strength of one weekend's cycling event. But they might have to repair some pot-holes in the roads,and I suspect you and I could both feasibly benefit from that. So I don't think you need fear too much being spent on 'infrastructure', unless you feel we ought to have the army manning gun-positions on the towers of York Minster.

After your rather odd question, "Oh, you don't think so?". I'm afraid I am still puzzling as to whom you are referring (presumably "Arblaster"), and what they do not think.
But I'll not let it bother me too much.
And so to bed. G'night!
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arblaster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: Scarlet Pimpernel says... (1:56pm Fri 18 Jan) "How come the photo of Coun Alexander and Kersten England was taken at night ? It was posted at 10.42am, and tweeted by James Alexander at 11.20am." Maybe they didn't want us to know that they were there the day before too ?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#~~~~~ ~~~~~~ I believe they also forgot to tell you what they had for lunch. Perhaps you would have preferred them to be transported by helicopter, so as they could get there, have a day's conferences, and return within hours of setting out. However, I suspect they took the train. It's considerably cheaper. But full marks for your enthusiastic detective-work.[/p][/quote]Well they jetted back in the afternoon to attend the big shindig in Leeds, so no expense spared. It's just one long tax-payer funded party for these two, with plenty of photo opportunities thrown in between tweets ! Why did they have to be in Paris in the morning, when there was the media event, dinner and fireworks in Leeds in the evening ?[/p][/quote]why are you asking people here these sily questions.? nobody here would know the answers. maybe they had to be in paris because thats when the meeting was. it might not have been their choice in the matter. then they had to get back to leeds. politicians go back and forth. david cameron flies back and forth to europe, why dont you ask him why he does.?[/p][/quote]Oh, you don't think so ? I think you will find that there are plenty of #teamyork following this thread, reporting back to the international jetsetting council leadership. It's good to know that York Council have PR experts like you, fending off difficult questions. Alastair Campbell will be asking you for tips next.[/p][/quote]SP, I don't think "Arblaster" is a PR expert ,for the simple reason that he appears unable to string a proper sentence together. However, I'm impressed that #teamyork will, or might perchance be following this thread. But seriously, then, why do you not ask /them/ all your questions? I'm beginning to think these questions of yours are a little bit rhetorical.... You also make mention of 'the buildings and regeneration left by the Olympics last year'. I do remember them , (how could one forget, given they were rammed down one's throat morning, noon and night), I am not really sure I follow your comparison here, because I doubt if York City Council are planning to build a velodrome or a new pointless shopping-centre on the edge of The Knavesmire, on the strength of one weekend's cycling event. But they might have to repair some pot-holes in the roads,and I suspect you and I could both feasibly benefit from that. So I don't think you need fear too much being spent on 'infrastructure', unless you feel we ought to have the army manning gun-positions on the towers of York Minster. After your rather odd question, "Oh, you don't think so?". I'm afraid I am still puzzling as to whom you are referring (presumably "Arblaster"), and what they do not think. But I'll not let it bother me too much. And so to bed. G'night! Trespar Zagenstuz
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9:11am Sat 19 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Pimpernel wrote:
It's good to know that York Council have PR experts like you, fending off difficult questions. Alastair Campbell will be asking you for tips next.

Hahaha! Listen to yourself! Get a grip of your imagination.

And please stop turning every single story into a paranoid JA TSL DM KE hatefest and/or Pimpernel bickering stream.
We know what you think of them.

You starting to supercede Paul and ColdAsChristmas in the crazed zealot stakes.
[quote]Pimpernel wrote: It's good to know that York Council have PR experts like you, fending off difficult questions. Alastair Campbell will be asking you for tips next.[/quote] Hahaha! Listen to yourself! Get a grip of your imagination. And please stop turning every single story into a paranoid JA TSL DM KE hatefest and/or Pimpernel bickering stream. We know what you think of them. You starting to supercede Paul and ColdAsChristmas in the crazed zealot stakes. Buzz Light-year
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9:11am Sat 19 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Pimpernel wrote:
It's good to know that York Council have PR experts like you, fending off difficult questions. Alastair Campbell will be asking you for tips next.

Hahaha! Listen to yourself! Get a grip of your imagination.

And please stop turning every single story into a paranoid JA TSL DM KE hatefest and/or Pimpernel bickering stream.
We know what you think of them.

You starting to supercede Paul and ColdAsChristmas in the crazed zealot stakes.
[quote]Pimpernel wrote: It's good to know that York Council have PR experts like you, fending off difficult questions. Alastair Campbell will be asking you for tips next.[/quote] Hahaha! Listen to yourself! Get a grip of your imagination. And please stop turning every single story into a paranoid JA TSL DM KE hatefest and/or Pimpernel bickering stream. We know what you think of them. You starting to supercede Paul and ColdAsChristmas in the crazed zealot stakes. Buzz Light-year
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9:12am Sat 19 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Definitely only clicked it once.
Definitely only clicked it once. Buzz Light-year
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11:39am Sat 19 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

"The Pimpernel-bickering stream".....
.........surely a line from a poem by Shelley........
"The Pimpernel-bickering stream"..... .........surely a line from a poem by Shelley........ Trespar Zagenstuz
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12:06pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Or a global weather phenomenon?
Or a global weather phenomenon? Buzz Light-year
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6:12pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Trespar Zagenstuz wrote:
"The Pimpernel-bickering stream".....
.........surely a line from a poem by Shelley........
Being an angler, I prefer the 'babbling brook'.

I bait my hook, cast my line, and the fish start biting..... every time !

Seems that Buzz has been taken in by the political propaganda from JA, KE, TSL, and DM. Fortunately, many of us are not so easily deceived.
[quote][p][bold]Trespar Zagenstuz[/bold] wrote: "The Pimpernel-bickering stream"..... .........surely a line from a poem by Shelley........[/p][/quote]Being an angler, I prefer the 'babbling brook'. I bait my hook, cast my line, and the fish start biting..... every time ! Seems that Buzz has been taken in by the political propaganda from JA, KE, TSL, and DM. Fortunately, many of us are not so easily deceived. Scarlet Pimpernel
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8:39pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

"Fortunately, many of us are not so easily deceived."
I am most fortunate that I m not so easily deceived, Scarlet P. And I don't think "Buzz Light-year" is deceived, either. I cannot speak personally for him or indeed "Ablaster", who did at least put the point rather bluntly. But the approach to take is not to follow a party line, dare I say it...hook,line and sinker. I do not, as my comment on the 'other' cycling thread in this paper might allude.
To be honest, I was generally not aware who 'James Alexander' actually was, or which political party he sided with. I don't think party politics has a place in local government; in fact i don't believe party politics has a place in Westminster. So I judge upon merits, and sadly for you the torys at High Office have no scruples whatsoever, and those in the regions tend to ape them if they can. Sad, but true.
I think this thread draws to a close. Feel free to have the coveted 'last word'.

But beware, that the mighty trout you think you have on the end of your line is not all it appears to be....the fish can outwit the fisherman at times.
"Fortunately, many of us are not so easily deceived." I am most fortunate that I m not so easily deceived, Scarlet P. And I don't think "Buzz Light-year" is deceived, either. I cannot speak personally for him or indeed "Ablaster", who did at least put the point rather bluntly. But the approach to take is not to follow a party line, dare I say it...hook,line and sinker. I do not, as my comment on the 'other' cycling thread in this paper might allude. To be honest, I was generally not aware who 'James Alexander' actually was, or which political party he sided with. I don't think party politics has a place in local government; in fact i don't believe party politics has a place in Westminster. So I judge upon merits, and sadly for you the torys at High Office have no scruples whatsoever, and those in the regions tend to ape them if they can. Sad, but true. I think this thread draws to a close. Feel free to have the coveted 'last word'. But beware, that the mighty trout you think you have on the end of your line is not all it appears to be....the fish can outwit the fisherman at times. Trespar Zagenstuz
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