How would you make York and the world a better place? (From York Press)

Dual carriageway the northern ringroad with over or under roundabouts for a start off, also get rid of half the traffic lights in York and put roundabouts in their place, traffic would move a lot freer then!

Godwin's Law of York

YorkyBoy wrote:
Dual carriageway the northern ringroad with over or under roundabouts for a start off, also get rid of half the traffic lights in York and put roundabouts in their place, traffic would move a lot freer then!

However we all become pedestrians at some point on our journeys. So how would you be able to safely cross a road on which traffic is "flowing" especially if you have mobility or sensory restrictions?
And would you like to predict how few years it would be before your proposals if enacted, would encourage sufficient additional car journeys to bring congestion back to current levels. You may choose to bury your head in the sand on that one, but York's Transport Planners can not.
That's why York's Local Transport Plan seeks further reductions in car dependancy. Then those who need rather than wish to travel round by car will be able to more easily do so. Simple!

The list is huge and therefore able to be debated over for many years so therefore no progress, most of the issues are certainly well beyond the remit of this!

However some of the below are quite pressing:

1. The huge over population of this country and indeed the rest of the planet addressed by a controlled reduction through mandatory robust family planning/budgeting education.

2. A reduction in the size of the UK government and the civil service, therefore cost to the taxpayer.

3. The benefit system overhauled to ensure that there is a financial incentive to go to work by there being lower benefits for the out of work rather than the disabled/ill etc. so therefore working is a better option for those that can work but choose not to.

4. The representation of the people i.e. British Democracy updated to reflect that the present system favours corporate interests (eg corporate wars in Iraq & Afganistan) rather than the electorate that it should.

5. Peddling Paul banned from commenting on any issue that tenuously contents cycling related issues.

YorkyBoy wrote:
Dual carriageway the northern ringroad with over or under roundabouts for a start off, also get rid of half the traffic lights in York and put roundabouts in their place, traffic would move a lot freer then!

Wider roads = more cars
More cars = more pollution
More cars have to park somewhere
More car parks in the city?
How to get to them - dual Tadcaster Road etc?

Doesn't sound like a way to improve York. Could do better.

World peace,and a council that can would be nice!

Kevin Turvey wrote:
The list is huge and therefore able to be debated over for many years so therefore no progress, most of the issues are certainly well beyond the remit of this!

However some of the below are quite pressing:

1. The huge over population of this country and indeed the rest of the planet addressed by a controlled reduction through mandatory robust family planning/budgeting education.

2. A reduction in the size of the UK government and the civil service, therefore cost to the taxpayer.

3. The benefit system overhauled to ensure that there is a financial incentive to go to work by there being lower benefits for the out of work rather than the disabled/ill etc. so therefore working is a better option for those that can work but choose not to.

4. The representation of the people i.e. British Democracy updated to reflect that the present system favours corporate interests (eg corporate wars in Iraq & Afganistan) rather than the electorate that it should.

5. Peddling Paul banned from commenting on any issue that tenuously contents cycling related issues.

Yaaaaaaaaaaawn!

pedalling paul wrote:

YorkyBoy wrote:
Dual carriageway the northern ringroad with over or under roundabouts for a start off, also get rid of half the traffic lights in York and put roundabouts in their place, traffic would move a lot freer then!

However we all become pedestrians at some point on our journeys. So how would you be able to safely cross a road on which traffic is "flowing" especially if you have mobility or sensory restrictions?
And would you like to predict how few years it would be before your proposals if enacted, would encourage sufficient additional car journeys to bring congestion back to current levels. You may choose to bury your head in the sand on that one, but York's Transport Planners can not.
That's why York's Local Transport Plan seeks further reductions in car dependancy. Then those who need rather than wish to travel round by car will be able to more easily do so. Simple!

I am very much against blanket 20mph in York, but I know pedallingpaul supports it. I have also done a bit of resarch and have read that the principle works best when it removes the 'confrontation' between road users ( including pedestrians) that occurs at higher speeds where the traffic is controlled, and replaces it with co-operation that is said to occur when speeds are limited to 20mph. This can be seen when traffic is always moving, albeit slowly, at a junction where the trafffic lights have failed. It would therefore cost many times the quoted £600,000 to install it properly in York, and that is why I am against it.

In dismissing YorkieBoy's suggestion to get rid of half the traffic lights in York, pedallingpaul seems to be arguing against himself, and this typifies the weak logic behind the total 20 campaign in York.

Remove the distinction between roadway and pavement in the pedestrianised areas. This would make movement by any form of wheeled vehicle intrusive into the area, placing the driver or rider in the position of having to take more care and pay greater attention.

Pay for all improvements by installing junction infringement cameras.

And, yes, sort out the roundabouts on the ring road.

Remove this site.

Paul Meoff wrote:

YorkyBoy wrote: Dual carriageway the northern ringroad with over or under roundabouts for a start off, also get rid of half the traffic lights in York and put roundabouts in their place, traffic would move a lot freer then!

Wider roads = more cars More cars = more pollution More cars have to park somewhere More car parks in the city? How to get to them - dual Tadcaster Road etc? Doesn't sound like a way to improve York. Could do better.

BOLL*CKS

Wider roads does not equal more cars - what rubbish!

There is more to life than traffic.

What's the going price on ex USSR nuclear weapons?

Paul Meoff wrote:

YorkyBoy wrote:
Dual carriageway the northern ringroad with over or under roundabouts for a start off, also get rid of half the traffic lights in York and put roundabouts in their place, traffic would move a lot freer then!

Wider roads = more cars
More cars = more pollution
More cars have to park somewhere
More car parks in the city?
How to get to them - dual Tadcaster Road etc?

Doesn't sound like a way to improve York. Could do better.

Yaaawn!
Traffic are the life blood of any town or cityy, as we all know.
No traffis:no food or drink, no safety (police or ambulances ets).

R'Marcus wrote:

Paul Meoff wrote:

YorkyBoy wrote:
Dual carriageway the northern ringroad with over or under roundabouts for a start off, also get rid of half the traffic lights in York and put roundabouts in their place, traffic would move a lot freer then!

Wider roads = more cars
More cars = more pollution
More cars have to park somewhere
More car parks in the city?
How to get to them - dual Tadcaster Road etc?

Doesn't sound like a way to improve York. Could do better.

Yaaawn!
Traffic are the life blood of any town or cityy, as we all know.
No traffis:no food or drink, no safety (police or ambulances ets).

Where does he mention traffic? Yes there are essential components to traffic – but cars aren’t one of them.

Buzz Light-year wrote:
There is more to life than traffic.

^this^ Ditto bins.

BL2 wrote:
Wider roads does not equal more cars - what rubbish!

So you think there’s no correlation between the vast improvement in road infrastructure over the last 50 years and the equivalent increase in car ownership?

far2bizzy wrote:

BL2 wrote:
Wider roads does not equal more cars - what rubbish!

So you think there’s no correlation between the vast improvement in road infrastructure over the last 50 years and the equivalent increase in car ownership?

You are right. Also real cost of motoring has gone down. The point the motorist of tomorrow has to understand is that the government won't want to stop you having a car (they love all that lovely tax!) but they can tell you where to drive it and park it. York wasn't built for the motor car and we all suffer for it.

far2bizzy wrote:

BL2 wrote:
Wider roads does not equal more cars - what rubbish!

So you think there’s no correlation between the vast improvement in road infrastructure over the last 50 years and the equivalent increase in car ownership?

Surely the decision to axe large parts of the rail network 50 years ago reflected the fact that there was a half decent road network to use as an alternative, and rising real incomes since have fuelled the growth in car ownership, which requires ever greater road capacity.

Sure, you could stifle car ownership by not providing more and better roads, but it doesn't rake the taxes in or win votes at election time.