Two more horses are killed on York roads

TWO horses were killed and three vehicles damaged in the fifth accident involving horses on York’s roads in less than a year.

A motorist told The Press of the chaotic scences that unfolded in Malton Road after a group of up to eight horses strayed into the carriageway last Saturday evening.

The man, from Ryedale, who does not want to be identified, said he was driving into York past the Hopgrove Toby Carvery when he suddenly became aware that several horses were in the road in front of him, having apparently strayed out of a field.

“I managed to swerve to the other side of the road and missed them, but then clipped the side of my car on the back leg of another horse on the other side of the road,” he said. “My car’s been badly damaged and may be written off.

“I parked up and put my warning flashers on, but then saw someone else in a large vehicle had hit the horse. It was on the bonnet and the windscreen was smashed.”

He said another car then hit a foal, badly injuring it, but the driver then drove off. He said the foal had to be put down later.

He believed he could have been badly injured or killed, had he not been able to swerve out of the way in time – as could the driver of the vehicle which hit it head-on, had their vehicle been a smaller car.

Earlier last year, stray horses were struck by vehicles on Malton Road, at Monks Cross, on the A166 between York and Stamford Bridge, and on a lane near Holtby.

Osbaldwick Independent councillor Mark Warters, who has warned someone could be killed before City of York Council finally tackles problems caused by stray horses, called yesterday for the animals involved in the latest incident to be impounded immediately.

North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced.

Steve Waddington, of City of York Council said: “I am very concerned for both the drivers and horses involved in this incident.

“It is concerning too that it appears that the horses unfortunately escaped from a poorly-secured field before straying on to the road. However, this is a matter which the police and the owners of the horses will address.”

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9:04am Mon 7 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

Ambulance chasing law firm parasites know who to pursue. City of York Council.
Lots of compo to be had out of our council taxes. All because no one has the bottle to deal with the problem. With the exception of Mark Warters of course.
Ambulance chasing law firm parasites know who to pursue. City of York Council. Lots of compo to be had out of our council taxes. All because no one has the bottle to deal with the problem. With the exception of Mark Warters of course. capt spaulding
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9:12am Mon 7 Jan 13

The Grim Reaper says...

An easy way to get this problem sorted. These motorists should sue York City Council for lack of care. The council DO have the powers to stop these horses being on the verges. What they lack is the balls to do something. I bet an action against the council would concentrate their minds.
An easy way to get this problem sorted. These motorists should sue York City Council for lack of care. The council DO have the powers to stop these horses being on the verges. What they lack is the balls to do something. I bet an action against the council would concentrate their minds. The Grim Reaper
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9:16am Mon 7 Jan 13

pedalling paul says...

http://www.citizensi
nformation.ie/en/env
ironment/animal_welf
are_and_control/cont
rol_of_horses.html
http://www.citizensi nformation.ie/en/env ironment/animal_welf are_and_control/cont rol_of_horses.html pedalling paul
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9:17am Mon 7 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

Better still make the whole of the A64 a 20 mph zone. LOL
Better still make the whole of the A64 a 20 mph zone. LOL capt spaulding
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9:54am Mon 7 Jan 13

BioLogic says...

pedalling paul wrote:
http://www.citizensi

nformation.ie/en/env

ironment/animal_welf

are_and_control/cont

rol_of_horses.html
Paul, you do realise that thats the irish citizens advice site....

Which is not to suggest that they don't desperately need to address this before someone is seriously killed or injured, just that your debating skills need some work!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: http://www.citizensi nformation.ie/en/env ironment/animal_welf are_and_control/cont rol_of_horses.html[/p][/quote]Paul, you do realise that thats the irish citizens advice site.... Which is not to suggest that they don't desperately need to address this before someone is seriously killed or injured, just that your debating skills need some work! BioLogic
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10:04am Mon 7 Jan 13

again says...

They can't trace the owners?

All horses should be chipped, no?

No chip, confiscate horse.

Having said that, there are deer around many of our country roads. Drivers should be aware of such potential hazards and be alert. If that means taking the foot off the gas, tough.
They can't trace the owners? All horses should be chipped, no? No chip, confiscate horse. Having said that, there are deer around many of our country roads. Drivers should be aware of such potential hazards and be alert. If that means taking the foot off the gas, tough. again
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10:37am Mon 7 Jan 13

Pete the Brickie says...



North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced.



It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then?

They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.
[quote] North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced. [/quote] It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards. Pete the Brickie
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10:50am Mon 7 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

There are a lot of Smiths to choose from.
There are a lot of Smiths to choose from. capt spaulding
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10:57am Mon 7 Jan 13

Saywhat says...

The horse owners should take greater care when tethering their horses.
A few more incidents like this and the problem will be solved, as there won't be any horses left.
The horse owners should take greater care when tethering their horses. A few more incidents like this and the problem will be solved, as there won't be any horses left. Saywhat
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11:17am Mon 7 Jan 13

the commentator says...

ffs, enough is enough! How many times are YCC willing to let this happen before somebody is killed? It is terrible enough that these poor animals are left in unsuitable locations, poorly tethered and allowed to stray into the road and danger their own lives, never mind the lives of innocent motorists and passengers. Does YCC need to wait for "Family of four killed in collision with horses on A64" before they do anything?
If these animals are illegally left on public roadsides, they should be immediately confiscated and put into horse auctions (is there such a thing?).
ffs, enough is enough! How many times are YCC willing to let this happen before somebody is killed? It is terrible enough that these poor animals are left in unsuitable locations, poorly tethered and allowed to stray into the road and danger their own lives, never mind the lives of innocent motorists and passengers. Does YCC need to wait for "Family of four killed in collision with horses on A64" before they do anything? If these animals are illegally left on public roadsides, they should be immediately confiscated and put into horse auctions (is there such a thing?). the commentator
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12:47pm Mon 7 Jan 13

voiceofnormalpeople says...

again wrote:
They can't trace the owners?

All horses should be chipped, no?

No chip, confiscate horse.

Having said that, there are deer around many of our country roads. Drivers should be aware of such potential hazards and be alert. If that means taking the foot off the gas, tough.
idiot! nothing to do with speed. A push biker can be knocked off by a horse bolting into the road. There tends to be signs to tell people where deers are to be cautious. Horse are some what larger. Alot more risk of killing front seat occupants.

Think before you post.
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: They can't trace the owners? All horses should be chipped, no? No chip, confiscate horse. Having said that, there are deer around many of our country roads. Drivers should be aware of such potential hazards and be alert. If that means taking the foot off the gas, tough.[/p][/quote]idiot! nothing to do with speed. A push biker can be knocked off by a horse bolting into the road. There tends to be signs to tell people where deers are to be cautious. Horse are some what larger. Alot more risk of killing front seat occupants. Think before you post. voiceofnormalpeople
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12:53pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Priapus says...

How about some more facts before automatically blaming 'Travellers'? The report just says they "escaped from a poorly-secured field". Not that they were on the verge.
How about some more facts before automatically blaming 'Travellers'? The report just says they "escaped from a poorly-secured field". Not that they were on the verge. Priapus
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1:05pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Yorklies says...

Meat for the food bank
Meat for the food bank Yorklies
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1:38pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SteadyOn says...

Pete the Brickie wrote:
North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced.
It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.
I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue.

Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.
[quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: [quote] North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced. [/quote] It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident. SteadyOn
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1:45pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Podlet says...

Yorklies wrote:
Meat for the food bank
Mmmm! I love dining French.
[quote][p][bold]Yorklies[/bold] wrote: Meat for the food bank[/p][/quote]Mmmm! I love dining French. Podlet
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1:50pm Mon 7 Jan 13

BioLogic says...

SteadyOn wrote:
Pete the Brickie wrote:
North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced.
It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.
I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue.

Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.
Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis.

Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.
[quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: [quote] North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced. [/quote] It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.[/p][/quote]Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra. BioLogic
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2:00pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Boadicea says...

Yorklies wrote:
Meat for the food bank
STUPID.
[quote][p][bold]Yorklies[/bold] wrote: Meat for the food bank[/p][/quote]STUPID. Boadicea
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2:08pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Kevin Turvey says...

‘Boadicea says..2:00pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Yorklies wrote:
Meat for the food bank
STUPID.’

A little tough but very tasty!

They can't be that hungary if they would turn down free frest meat.
In other parts of the world the carcass would have been stripped on site!

Or

lots of free ingredients for the glue factory!

Has anybody thought that the animals themselves are maybe committing suicide as a last ditch escape from their horrible predictable lives tethered (or not) to the side of a busy road and treated fairly badly by their ‘owners’, whilst York City Council look on and do nothing because they have no spine?
‘Boadicea says..2:00pm Mon 7 Jan 13 Yorklies wrote: Meat for the food bank STUPID.’ A little tough but very tasty! They can't be that hungary if they would turn down free frest meat. In other parts of the world the carcass would have been stripped on site! Or lots of free ingredients for the glue factory! Has anybody thought that the animals themselves are maybe committing suicide as a last ditch escape from their horrible predictable lives tethered (or not) to the side of a busy road and treated fairly badly by their ‘owners’, whilst York City Council look on and do nothing because they have no spine? Kevin Turvey
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2:31pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Podlet says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
‘Boadicea says..2:00pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Yorklies wrote:
Meat for the food bank
STUPID.’

A little tough but very tasty!

They can't be that hungary if they would turn down free frest meat.
In other parts of the world the carcass would have been stripped on site!

Or

lots of free ingredients for the glue factory!

Has anybody thought that the animals themselves are maybe committing suicide as a last ditch escape from their horrible predictable lives tethered (or not) to the side of a busy road and treated fairly badly by their ‘owners’, whilst York City Council look on and do nothing because they have no spine?
"York City Council ... have no spine?"

Is that because of the BSE crisis a few years ago?
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: ‘Boadicea says..2:00pm Mon 7 Jan 13 Yorklies wrote: Meat for the food bank STUPID.’ A little tough but very tasty! They can't be that hungary if they would turn down free frest meat. In other parts of the world the carcass would have been stripped on site! Or lots of free ingredients for the glue factory! Has anybody thought that the animals themselves are maybe committing suicide as a last ditch escape from their horrible predictable lives tethered (or not) to the side of a busy road and treated fairly badly by their ‘owners’, whilst York City Council look on and do nothing because they have no spine?[/p][/quote]"York City Council ... have no spine?" Is that because of the BSE crisis a few years ago? Podlet
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2:41pm Mon 7 Jan 13

garyleedodson says...

I rang the police as I almost hit 2 black and white horses on Malton road near to the Hopgrove on saturday 22nd Dec 2302hrs in thick fog not sure if anything was done that night about it but it is hapening far to offten
I rang the police as I almost hit 2 black and white horses on Malton road near to the Hopgrove on saturday 22nd Dec 2302hrs in thick fog not sure if anything was done that night about it but it is hapening far to offten garyleedodson
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3:32pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SteadyOn says...

BioLogic wrote:
SteadyOn wrote:
Pete the Brickie wrote:
North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced.
It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.
I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.
Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.
Perhaps my comment was a little too acerbic and was born of frustration, and for this I apologise. In this instance, though, I stand by by assertion that Pete's comment was insensitive and poorly judged.

Regarding the article, at no point does it refer to tethered horses, but that the horses escaped from a poorly secured field. If this is the case, then surely the owner of the land (whether it is a private land-owner or the council) is responsible for the horses and is culpable for any damage caused to persons or property. If they don't want this responsibility then they should take steps to remove the horses. If this is council-owned land, for Steve Waddington to suggest responsibilty lies elsewhere is merely passing the buck. If the horses belong to the travelling community, perhaps the council could provide a secure field for them to graze (the horses, not the travellers - therein lies a different debate).

To use the police as glorified dog-wardens is ridiculous. Do you want them patrolling the streets or rounding up stray animals? With the limited resources of the current economic climate you can't have it both ways.
[quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: [quote] North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced. [/quote] It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.[/p][/quote]Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.[/p][/quote]Perhaps my comment was a little too acerbic and was born of frustration, and for this I apologise. In this instance, though, I stand by by assertion that Pete's comment was insensitive and poorly judged. Regarding the article, at no point does it refer to tethered horses, but that the horses escaped from a poorly secured field. If this is the case, then surely the owner of the land (whether it is a private land-owner or the council) is responsible for the horses and is culpable for any damage caused to persons or property. If they don't want this responsibility then they should take steps to remove the horses. If this is council-owned land, for Steve Waddington to suggest responsibilty lies elsewhere is merely passing the buck. If the horses belong to the travelling community, perhaps the council could provide a secure field for them to graze (the horses, not the travellers - therein lies a different debate). To use the police as glorified dog-wardens is ridiculous. Do you want them patrolling the streets or rounding up stray animals? With the limited resources of the current economic climate you can't have it both ways. SteadyOn
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3:35pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SteadyOn says...

*borne
*borne SteadyOn
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3:39pm Mon 7 Jan 13

BioLogic says...

SteadyOn wrote:
BioLogic wrote:
SteadyOn wrote:
Pete the Brickie wrote:
North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced.
It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.
I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.
Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.
Perhaps my comment was a little too acerbic and was born of frustration, and for this I apologise. In this instance, though, I stand by by assertion that Pete's comment was insensitive and poorly judged.

Regarding the article, at no point does it refer to tethered horses, but that the horses escaped from a poorly secured field. If this is the case, then surely the owner of the land (whether it is a private land-owner or the council) is responsible for the horses and is culpable for any damage caused to persons or property. If they don't want this responsibility then they should take steps to remove the horses. If this is council-owned land, for Steve Waddington to suggest responsibilty lies elsewhere is merely passing the buck. If the horses belong to the travelling community, perhaps the council could provide a secure field for them to graze (the horses, not the travellers - therein lies a different debate).

To use the police as glorified dog-wardens is ridiculous. Do you want them patrolling the streets or rounding up stray animals? With the limited resources of the current economic climate you can't have it both ways.
Your apology is noted and I'm sure will be gratefully received by Pete.

If its the field I am thinking of, it is "Scrubland" rather than proper fields and the Horses are your typical roadside tethered type, in this instance secured through makeshift fences rather than tethers.

I agree a horse warden is not a great job for a copper, I wouldn't want to do it. However The police's job is to ensure the safety of the highways, in conjunction with the relevant highway authority. As they have abdicated their responsibility for the moment, that leaves only the police. Again CYC failing to meet their legal responsibilities.
[quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: [quote] North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced. [/quote] It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.[/p][/quote]Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.[/p][/quote]Perhaps my comment was a little too acerbic and was born of frustration, and for this I apologise. In this instance, though, I stand by by assertion that Pete's comment was insensitive and poorly judged. Regarding the article, at no point does it refer to tethered horses, but that the horses escaped from a poorly secured field. If this is the case, then surely the owner of the land (whether it is a private land-owner or the council) is responsible for the horses and is culpable for any damage caused to persons or property. If they don't want this responsibility then they should take steps to remove the horses. If this is council-owned land, for Steve Waddington to suggest responsibilty lies elsewhere is merely passing the buck. If the horses belong to the travelling community, perhaps the council could provide a secure field for them to graze (the horses, not the travellers - therein lies a different debate). To use the police as glorified dog-wardens is ridiculous. Do you want them patrolling the streets or rounding up stray animals? With the limited resources of the current economic climate you can't have it both ways.[/p][/quote]Your apology is noted and I'm sure will be gratefully received by Pete. If its the field I am thinking of, it is "Scrubland" rather than proper fields and the Horses are your typical roadside tethered type, in this instance secured through makeshift fences rather than tethers. I agree a horse warden is not a great job for a copper, I wouldn't want to do it. However The police's job is to ensure the safety of the highways, in conjunction with the relevant highway authority. As they have abdicated their responsibility for the moment, that leaves only the police. Again CYC failing to meet their legal responsibilities. BioLogic
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3:51pm Mon 7 Jan 13

the commentator says...

SteadyOn wrote:
BioLogic wrote:
SteadyOn wrote:
Pete the Brickie wrote:
North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced.
It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.
I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.
Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.
Perhaps my comment was a little too acerbic and was born of frustration, and for this I apologise. In this instance, though, I stand by by assertion that Pete's comment was insensitive and poorly judged.

Regarding the article, at no point does it refer to tethered horses, but that the horses escaped from a poorly secured field. If this is the case, then surely the owner of the land (whether it is a private land-owner or the council) is responsible for the horses and is culpable for any damage caused to persons or property. If they don't want this responsibility then they should take steps to remove the horses. If this is council-owned land, for Steve Waddington to suggest responsibilty lies elsewhere is merely passing the buck. If the horses belong to the travelling community, perhaps the council could provide a secure field for them to graze (the horses, not the travellers - therein lies a different debate).

To use the police as glorified dog-wardens is ridiculous. Do you want them patrolling the streets or rounding up stray animals? With the limited resources of the current economic climate you can't have it both ways.
you are not seriously suggesting that we the tax payer now also now pay for land for travellers to keep their horses! Is it not enough that I have to listen to their kids constantly using public land on their quadbikes (which everybody including the police seem to turn a blind eye too) but now I must pay for land to keep their horses on!
[quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: [quote] North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced. [/quote] It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.[/p][/quote]Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.[/p][/quote]Perhaps my comment was a little too acerbic and was born of frustration, and for this I apologise. In this instance, though, I stand by by assertion that Pete's comment was insensitive and poorly judged. Regarding the article, at no point does it refer to tethered horses, but that the horses escaped from a poorly secured field. If this is the case, then surely the owner of the land (whether it is a private land-owner or the council) is responsible for the horses and is culpable for any damage caused to persons or property. If they don't want this responsibility then they should take steps to remove the horses. If this is council-owned land, for Steve Waddington to suggest responsibilty lies elsewhere is merely passing the buck. If the horses belong to the travelling community, perhaps the council could provide a secure field for them to graze (the horses, not the travellers - therein lies a different debate). To use the police as glorified dog-wardens is ridiculous. Do you want them patrolling the streets or rounding up stray animals? With the limited resources of the current economic climate you can't have it both ways.[/p][/quote]you are not seriously suggesting that we the tax payer now also now pay for land for travellers to keep their horses! Is it not enough that I have to listen to their kids constantly using public land on their quadbikes (which everybody including the police seem to turn a blind eye too) but now I must pay for land to keep their horses on! the commentator
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4:16pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Kevin Turvey says...

If you have horses you have somewhere to keep them that is not going to harm the horses or others!


‘the commentator says... 3:51pm Mon 7 Jan 13
Is it not enough that I have to listen to their kids constantly using public land on their quadbikes (which everybody including the police seem to turn a blind eye too)’


It is examples like this that really annoy me.
The last government brought in draconian and tough new laws on illegal off highway vehicle use to stamp out the antisocial element (NERC Act 2005).

To do this they basically removed many legal vehicular rights of way for no reason as the anti-social elements are still acting illegally.

What it has actually done is effect negatively on legal (taxed, licensed, mot, insured and indeed responsible) users of legal un-surfaced roads (legal access to vehicles) to the point of there being very few in number left whilst the antisocial elements carry on as normal causing mayhem with the anti-social behavior that the new legislation was intended to stop and the police ignore them as they are too hard to catch or indeed prosecute.

At the same time the police (along with the two local national park authorities) get all heavy handed and indeed attempt to stop users going about their lawful business as legal users on what is left of the legal rights of vehicular access network because you are following the law, using the anti-social part basically to harass you into giving up a legal activity.

So the golden rule for the UK now seems to be to just break the law on a continual basis and have no fixed abode and/or multi identities and nobody can touch you, do what you want!

Be a legal citizen and have your hobbies/interests stopped because of the above!

Does not seem right to me!

But there again the UK is hugely broken and soon ready for the inevitable economic collapse or civil war/civil unrest, that actually may sort a few issues out!
If you have horses you have somewhere to keep them that is not going to harm the horses or others! ‘the commentator says... 3:51pm Mon 7 Jan 13 Is it not enough that I have to listen to their kids constantly using public land on their quadbikes (which everybody including the police seem to turn a blind eye too)’ It is examples like this that really annoy me. The last government brought in draconian and tough new laws on illegal off highway vehicle use to stamp out the antisocial element (NERC Act 2005). To do this they basically removed many legal vehicular rights of way for no reason as the anti-social elements are still acting illegally. What it has actually done is effect negatively on legal (taxed, licensed, mot, insured and indeed responsible) users of legal un-surfaced roads (legal access to vehicles) to the point of there being very few in number left whilst the antisocial elements carry on as normal causing mayhem with the anti-social behavior that the new legislation was intended to stop and the police ignore them as they are too hard to catch or indeed prosecute. At the same time the police (along with the two local national park authorities) get all heavy handed and indeed attempt to stop users going about their lawful business as legal users on what is left of the legal rights of vehicular access network because you are following the law, using the anti-social part basically to harass you into giving up a legal activity. So the golden rule for the UK now seems to be to just break the law on a continual basis and have no fixed abode and/or multi identities and nobody can touch you, do what you want! Be a legal citizen and have your hobbies/interests stopped because of the above! Does not seem right to me! But there again the UK is hugely broken and soon ready for the inevitable economic collapse or civil war/civil unrest, that actually may sort a few issues out! Kevin Turvey
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4:25pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Guy Fawkes says...

Ambulance chasing law firm parasites know who to pursue. City of York Council.


Without wanting to sound too pedantic, Malton is outside CoYC's bailiwick, isn't it? I'd imagine that it would be North Yorkshire County Council getting the writ.

Something doesn't add up here. The story states that the horses escaped from a field, and that the police have thus far been unable to trace the horses' owner. Surely that is the owner of the field from which they escaped? Either that or the horses had been put in that field without its owner's permission. But in any case, it would be the owner of the field (which, assuming that the police have the necessary detective skills to use the Land Registry's website, they should be able to identify in two minutes flat) I'd be sending the lawyers after in this situation. Failing to secure a field that borders a main road such that animals cannot escape from it and endanger traffic has to be negligence, pure and simple.
[quote]Ambulance chasing law firm parasites know who to pursue. City of York Council.[/quote] Without wanting to sound too pedantic, Malton is outside CoYC's bailiwick, isn't it? I'd imagine that it would be North Yorkshire County Council getting the writ. Something doesn't add up here. The story states that the horses escaped from a field, and that the police have thus far been unable to trace the horses' owner. Surely that is the owner of the field from which they escaped? Either that or the horses had been put in that field without its owner's permission. But in any case, it would be the owner of the field (which, assuming that the police have the necessary detective skills to use the Land Registry's website, they should be able to identify in two minutes flat) I'd be sending the lawyers after in this situation. Failing to secure a field that borders a main road such that animals cannot escape from it and endanger traffic has to be negligence, pure and simple. Guy Fawkes
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4:56pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Sawday2 says...

Guy Fawkes wrote:
Ambulance chasing law firm parasites know who to pursue. City of York Council.


Without wanting to sound too pedantic, Malton is outside CoYC's bailiwick, isn't it? I'd imagine that it would be North Yorkshire County Council getting the writ.

Something doesn't add up here. The story states that the horses escaped from a field, and that the police have thus far been unable to trace the horses' owner. Surely that is the owner of the field from which they escaped? Either that or the horses had been put in that field without its owner's permission. But in any case, it would be the owner of the field (which, assuming that the police have the necessary detective skills to use the Land Registry's website, they should be able to identify in two minutes flat) I'd be sending the lawyers after in this situation. Failing to secure a field that borders a main road such that animals cannot escape from it and endanger traffic has to be negligence, pure and simple.
What's Malton got to do with it? If you read the report properly it states Malton Road.
[quote][p][bold]Guy Fawkes[/bold] wrote: [quote]Ambulance chasing law firm parasites know who to pursue. City of York Council.[/quote] Without wanting to sound too pedantic, Malton is outside CoYC's bailiwick, isn't it? I'd imagine that it would be North Yorkshire County Council getting the writ. Something doesn't add up here. The story states that the horses escaped from a field, and that the police have thus far been unable to trace the horses' owner. Surely that is the owner of the field from which they escaped? Either that or the horses had been put in that field without its owner's permission. But in any case, it would be the owner of the field (which, assuming that the police have the necessary detective skills to use the Land Registry's website, they should be able to identify in two minutes flat) I'd be sending the lawyers after in this situation. Failing to secure a field that borders a main road such that animals cannot escape from it and endanger traffic has to be negligence, pure and simple.[/p][/quote]What's Malton got to do with it? If you read the report properly it states Malton Road. Sawday2
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5:03pm Mon 7 Jan 13

SteadyOn says...

the commentator wrote:
SteadyOn wrote:
BioLogic wrote:
SteadyOn wrote:
Pete the Brickie wrote:
North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced.
It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.
I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.
Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.
Perhaps my comment was a little too acerbic and was born of frustration, and for this I apologise. In this instance, though, I stand by by assertion that Pete's comment was insensitive and poorly judged.

Regarding the article, at no point does it refer to tethered horses, but that the horses escaped from a poorly secured field. If this is the case, then surely the owner of the land (whether it is a private land-owner or the council) is responsible for the horses and is culpable for any damage caused to persons or property. If they don't want this responsibility then they should take steps to remove the horses. If this is council-owned land, for Steve Waddington to suggest responsibilty lies elsewhere is merely passing the buck. If the horses belong to the travelling community, perhaps the council could provide a secure field for them to graze (the horses, not the travellers - therein lies a different debate).

To use the police as glorified dog-wardens is ridiculous. Do you want them patrolling the streets or rounding up stray animals? With the limited resources of the current economic climate you can't have it both ways.
you are not seriously suggesting that we the tax payer now also now pay for land for travellers to keep their horses! Is it not enough that I have to listen to their kids constantly using public land on their quadbikes (which everybody including the police seem to turn a blind eye too) but now I must pay for land to keep their horses on!
That's exactly what I'm suggesting. Whether you like it or not, the travelling community will continue to keep horses and if an alternative is not provided then they will continue to tether them illegally. So you have a choice: Provide secure land for them to keep the horses safely, under council control, where they can be properly monitored, at the tax payers' expense; continue to have them being tethered illegally on roadsides or on private land where they may break free, causing accident and injury which is then rectified at the tax payers' expense; confiscate them (at the tax payers' expense); or have them put down and disposed of at, you guessed it, the tax payer's expense. There must be acres of unused council-owned land that could be set aside for a purpose such as this. Whichever way you look at it, the solution will cost money. As the saying goes, better the devil you know...

Or perhaps you have another solution. In which case, be my guest...
[quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: [quote] North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced. [/quote] It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.[/p][/quote]Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.[/p][/quote]Perhaps my comment was a little too acerbic and was born of frustration, and for this I apologise. In this instance, though, I stand by by assertion that Pete's comment was insensitive and poorly judged. Regarding the article, at no point does it refer to tethered horses, but that the horses escaped from a poorly secured field. If this is the case, then surely the owner of the land (whether it is a private land-owner or the council) is responsible for the horses and is culpable for any damage caused to persons or property. If they don't want this responsibility then they should take steps to remove the horses. If this is council-owned land, for Steve Waddington to suggest responsibilty lies elsewhere is merely passing the buck. If the horses belong to the travelling community, perhaps the council could provide a secure field for them to graze (the horses, not the travellers - therein lies a different debate). To use the police as glorified dog-wardens is ridiculous. Do you want them patrolling the streets or rounding up stray animals? With the limited resources of the current economic climate you can't have it both ways.[/p][/quote]you are not seriously suggesting that we the tax payer now also now pay for land for travellers to keep their horses! Is it not enough that I have to listen to their kids constantly using public land on their quadbikes (which everybody including the police seem to turn a blind eye too) but now I must pay for land to keep their horses on![/p][/quote]That's exactly what I'm suggesting. Whether you like it or not, the travelling community will continue to keep horses and if an alternative is not provided then they will continue to tether them illegally. So you have a choice: Provide secure land for them to keep the horses safely, under council control, where they can be properly monitored, at the tax payers' expense; continue to have them being tethered illegally on roadsides or on private land where they may break free, causing accident and injury which is then rectified at the tax payers' expense; confiscate them (at the tax payers' expense); or have them put down and disposed of at, you guessed it, the tax payer's expense. There must be acres of unused council-owned land that could be set aside for a purpose such as this. Whichever way you look at it, the solution will cost money. As the saying goes, better the devil you know... Or perhaps you have another solution. In which case, be my guest... SteadyOn
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5:42pm Mon 7 Jan 13

GoodDoc says...

A worrying article for all concerned. I hope someone gets to the bottom of these occurrences, as there is surely more to them than meets the eye; Whoever owns the horses, travellers or not, clearly would have no interest in the horses escaping, causing accidents and being killed. Horses are relatively easy to tether, so it's unusual at least how often they escape. I know for a fact that for the last publicised incident (last year) the police had a report that people may have deliberately untethered the horses to cause a nuisance. I'd love to know if the police got to the bottom of it, and if so why the Press isn't privy to the details. Either way, this problem needs to be sorted one way or another.
A worrying article for all concerned. I hope someone gets to the bottom of these occurrences, as there is surely more to them than meets the eye; Whoever owns the horses, travellers or not, clearly would have no interest in the horses escaping, causing accidents and being killed. Horses are relatively easy to tether, so it's unusual at least how often they escape. I know for a fact that for the last publicised incident (last year) the police had a report that people may have deliberately untethered the horses to cause a nuisance. I'd love to know if the police got to the bottom of it, and if so why the Press isn't privy to the details. Either way, this problem needs to be sorted one way or another. GoodDoc
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5:59pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

pedalling paul wrote:
http://www.citizensi

nformation.ie/en/env

ironment/animal_welf

are_and_control/cont

rol_of_horses.html
The above PP reference sadly appears to relate to the Irish Republic not the UK.Perhaps we should adopt it into UK legislation?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: http://www.citizensi nformation.ie/en/env ironment/animal_welf are_and_control/cont rol_of_horses.html[/p][/quote]The above PP reference sadly appears to relate to the Irish Republic not the UK.Perhaps we should adopt it into UK legislation? Older Sometimes Wiser
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5:59pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Dukeofpork says...

I agree with Pete the Brickie and all those who condemn the way the "Travelling Community" appear to have complete immunity from arrest or censure. I am told that horses are very much valued by these people so let us not assume that because they happen to be tethered by the roadside they are badly cared for as several have opined. I speak as a horse owner over many years. Just because they are hairy Cobs it doesn't mean they are neglected!
I agree with Pete the Brickie and all those who condemn the way the "Travelling Community" appear to have complete immunity from arrest or censure. I am told that horses are very much valued by these people so let us not assume that because they happen to be tethered by the roadside they are badly cared for as several have opined. I speak as a horse owner over many years. Just because they are hairy Cobs it doesn't mean they are neglected! Dukeofpork
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6:27pm Mon 7 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

GoodDoc wrote:
A worrying article for all concerned. I hope someone gets to the bottom of these occurrences, as there is surely more to them than meets the eye; Whoever owns the horses, travellers or not, clearly would have no interest in the horses escaping, causing accidents and being killed. Horses are relatively easy to tether, so it's unusual at least how often they escape. I know for a fact that for the last publicised incident (last year) the police had a report that people may have deliberately untethered the horses to cause a nuisance. I'd love to know if the police got to the bottom of it, and if so why the Press isn't privy to the details. Either way, this problem needs to be sorted one way or another.
I would celebrate if the police got to the bottom of anything except speeding motorists.
Like the 2 miscreants who trashed my property last year. Who were known and were never dealt with.

The nice police person saying quite seriously "We like to think we can keep them out of the justice system"

Crime figures are down bye the way. Now you know why.
[quote][p][bold]GoodDoc[/bold] wrote: A worrying article for all concerned. I hope someone gets to the bottom of these occurrences, as there is surely more to them than meets the eye; Whoever owns the horses, travellers or not, clearly would have no interest in the horses escaping, causing accidents and being killed. Horses are relatively easy to tether, so it's unusual at least how often they escape. I know for a fact that for the last publicised incident (last year) the police had a report that people may have deliberately untethered the horses to cause a nuisance. I'd love to know if the police got to the bottom of it, and if so why the Press isn't privy to the details. Either way, this problem needs to be sorted one way or another.[/p][/quote]I would celebrate if the police got to the bottom of anything except speeding motorists. Like the 2 miscreants who trashed my property last year. Who were known and were never dealt with. The nice police person saying quite seriously "We like to think we can keep them out of the justice system" Crime figures are down bye the way. Now you know why. capt spaulding
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7:09pm Mon 7 Jan 13

BioLogic says...

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
http://www.citizensi


nformation.ie/en/env


ironment/animal_welf


are_and_control/cont


rol_of_horses.html
The above PP reference sadly appears to relate to the Irish Republic not the UK.Perhaps we should adopt it into UK legislation?
I'm pretty sure I said that a few hours ago. There is no way that CYC should be providing facilities for these animals owners. They should be enforcing not mollycoddling!
[quote][p][bold]Older Sometimes Wiser[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: http://www.citizensi nformation.ie/en/env ironment/animal_welf are_and_control/cont rol_of_horses.html[/p][/quote]The above PP reference sadly appears to relate to the Irish Republic not the UK.Perhaps we should adopt it into UK legislation?[/p][/quote]I'm pretty sure I said that a few hours ago. There is no way that CYC should be providing facilities for these animals owners. They should be enforcing not mollycoddling! BioLogic
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7:16pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Paul Meoff says...

garyleedodson wrote:
I rang the police as I almost hit 2 black and white horses on Malton road near to the Hopgrove on saturday 22nd Dec 2302hrs in thick fog not sure if anything was done that night about it but it is hapening far to offten
If I was about to hit a couple of stray horses the last thing I'd be doing was reaching for my mobile.
[quote][p][bold]garyleedodson[/bold] wrote: I rang the police as I almost hit 2 black and white horses on Malton road near to the Hopgrove on saturday 22nd Dec 2302hrs in thick fog not sure if anything was done that night about it but it is hapening far to offten[/p][/quote]If I was about to hit a couple of stray horses the last thing I'd be doing was reaching for my mobile. Paul Meoff
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7:16pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Pete the Brickie says...

SteadyOn wrote:
Pete the Brickie wrote:
North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced.
It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.
I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue.

Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.
Good comment Steady ont and well put, but the two subjects are not related. PC Bramma's death like most others was tragic and I would never choose to insult him or his memory.

Thanks for your support Biologic.
[quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: [quote] North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced. [/quote] It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.[/p][/quote]Good comment Steady ont and well put, but the two subjects are not related. PC Bramma's death like most others was tragic and I would never choose to insult him or his memory. Thanks for your support Biologic. Pete the Brickie
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9:05pm Mon 7 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

I recall not so long ago there was an outbreak of Legionaires Disease cant remember quite where but a council officer was put up for prosecution for not doing her job checking the air con towers.
People died.
Ring any bells anyone and any council officers reading this should be wondering if their brief covers loose horses.
Can anyone feel a council prosecution coming on?
I recall not so long ago there was an outbreak of Legionaires Disease cant remember quite where but a council officer was put up for prosecution for not doing her job checking the air con towers. People died. Ring any bells anyone and any council officers reading this should be wondering if their brief covers loose horses. Can anyone feel a council prosecution coming on? capt spaulding
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9:16pm Mon 7 Jan 13

DeeJaiEss says...

capt spaulding wrote:
Ambulance chasing law firm parasites know who to pursue. City of York Council.
Lots of compo to be had out of our council taxes. All because no one has the bottle to deal with the problem. With the exception of Mark Warters of course.
Ambulance-chasing law firm parasites?

What an interesting turn.

Rather than addressing the issue, which to be honest, is nothing but negligence on not only the horse owner's part but York City Council for failing to deal with this long-standing issue, we seem to be turning the guns to those people who have suffered loss or injury as a result of one of these animals breaking their tether and running loose on some of our most busiest roads.

I was always lead to believe that prevention was better than cure.

I suppose the alternative is should such a driver be confronted with a horse on the road, the driver should swerve to avoid it...into the path of an oncoming vehicle thus causing twice as much misery though no fault of their own.

There are ambulance chasers out there I agree but don't try and blame the victim for trying to get their lives back in order after what mush be a horrific ordeal.
[quote][p][bold]capt spaulding[/bold] wrote: Ambulance chasing law firm parasites know who to pursue. City of York Council. Lots of compo to be had out of our council taxes. All because no one has the bottle to deal with the problem. With the exception of Mark Warters of course.[/p][/quote]Ambulance-chasing law firm parasites? What an interesting turn. Rather than addressing the issue, which to be honest, is nothing but negligence on not only the horse owner's part but York City Council for failing to deal with this long-standing issue, we seem to be turning the guns to those people who have suffered loss or injury as a result of one of these animals breaking their tether and running loose on some of our most busiest roads. I was always lead to believe that prevention was better than cure. I suppose the alternative is should such a driver be confronted with a horse on the road, the driver should swerve to avoid it...into the path of an oncoming vehicle thus causing twice as much misery though no fault of their own. There are ambulance chasers out there I agree but don't try and blame the victim for trying to get their lives back in order after what mush be a horrific ordeal. DeeJaiEss
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9:31pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Rockyrabbit says...

I think I'm right in saying that this is an almost repeat incident. Several weeks ago horses escaped and ran onto the road leading up to Monks Cross from the same 'field' not so long ago. (Don't think any damage was caused on that occasion.) Travellers were running around trying to recapture the horses the last time they escaped. The area of land in question was 'secured' by poorly made 'fences' made from old pallets and oddments of wood nailed together. Someone or several people will be seriously hurt before long. It is worrying.
I think I'm right in saying that this is an almost repeat incident. Several weeks ago horses escaped and ran onto the road leading up to Monks Cross from the same 'field' not so long ago. (Don't think any damage was caused on that occasion.) Travellers were running around trying to recapture the horses the last time they escaped. The area of land in question was 'secured' by poorly made 'fences' made from old pallets and oddments of wood nailed together. Someone or several people will be seriously hurt before long. It is worrying. Rockyrabbit
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9:34pm Mon 7 Jan 13

jackdawes says...

We were travelling on the A64 on this Saturday night in question when several horses appeared out of nowhere. We could not swerve as the horse was on our car immediately. There was an enormous bang. We pulled over as soon as possible. Luckily no-one in our car was seriously hurt but the windscreen was smashed and damage to the left side. We could not swerve, there was no time. According to a person who lived near the fields, he had put these horses into the field as they had been loose days before. They were not his horses but thought they would be safer in the field. No-one is owning up to these horses but they have done around £5,000 worth of damage to our vehicle. The poor horse was killed either by us or by the lady in the vehicle behind us that then ran over it. It was a shocking and traumatic incident and someone should be accountable for it. York City Council were aware of this problem and something should have been done about it.
We were travelling on the A64 on this Saturday night in question when several horses appeared out of nowhere. We could not swerve as the horse was on our car immediately. There was an enormous bang. We pulled over as soon as possible. Luckily no-one in our car was seriously hurt but the windscreen was smashed and damage to the left side. We could not swerve, there was no time. According to a person who lived near the fields, he had put these horses into the field as they had been loose days before. They were not his horses but thought they would be safer in the field. No-one is owning up to these horses but they have done around £5,000 worth of damage to our vehicle. The poor horse was killed either by us or by the lady in the vehicle behind us that then ran over it. It was a shocking and traumatic incident and someone should be accountable for it. York City Council were aware of this problem and something should have been done about it. jackdawes
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10:02pm Mon 7 Jan 13

RoseD says...

Jackdawes, how frightening. I once hit a large deer and that was scary enough; and it was in broad daylight. Also, like I think someone said, deer follow fairly predictable trails. These horses are simply abandoned.
Jackdawes, how frightening. I once hit a large deer and that was scary enough; and it was in broad daylight. Also, like I think someone said, deer follow fairly predictable trails. These horses are simply abandoned. RoseD
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10:05pm Mon 7 Jan 13

RoseD says...

" you are not seriously suggesting that we the tax payer now also now pay for land for travellers to keep their horses! ? " to which SteadyOn replied "That's exactly what I'm suggesting. Whether you like it or not, the travelling community will continue to keep horses and if an alternative is not provided then they will continue to tether them illegally. So you have a choice: Provide secure land for them to keep the horses safely, under council control, where they can be properly monitored, at the tax payers' expense; continue to have them being tethered illegally on roadsides or on private land where they may break free, causing accident and injury which is then rectified at the tax payers' expense; confiscate them (at the tax payers' expense); or have them put down and disposed of at, you guessed it, the tax payer's expense. There must be acres of unused council-owned land that could be set aside for a purpose such as this. Whichever way you look at it, the solution will cost money. As the saying goes, better the devil you know... " And SteadyOn, very concise and clear analysis. There is no other way, really. And the horses are here. I once hit a deer; the thought of smashing in to a horse, even at 30 mph in my little tin can of a car is frightening.
" you are not seriously suggesting that we the tax payer now also now pay for land for travellers to keep their horses! ? " to which SteadyOn replied "That's exactly what I'm suggesting. Whether you like it or not, the travelling community will continue to keep horses and if an alternative is not provided then they will continue to tether them illegally. So you have a choice: Provide secure land for them to keep the horses safely, under council control, where they can be properly monitored, at the tax payers' expense; continue to have them being tethered illegally on roadsides or on private land where they may break free, causing accident and injury which is then rectified at the tax payers' expense; confiscate them (at the tax payers' expense); or have them put down and disposed of at, you guessed it, the tax payer's expense. There must be acres of unused council-owned land that could be set aside for a purpose such as this. Whichever way you look at it, the solution will cost money. As the saying goes, better the devil you know... " And SteadyOn, very concise and clear analysis. There is no other way, really. And the horses are here. I once hit a deer; the thought of smashing in to a horse, even at 30 mph in my little tin can of a car is frightening. RoseD
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10:27pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Paul Meoff says...

I'm sure the taxes paid on lucky white heather sales, tarmacing drives and recycling unwanted copper cable dumped by railway tracks will more than pay for the upkeep of a few horses.
I'm sure the taxes paid on lucky white heather sales, tarmacing drives and recycling unwanted copper cable dumped by railway tracks will more than pay for the upkeep of a few horses. Paul Meoff
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10:55pm Mon 7 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

DeeJaiEss wrote:
capt spaulding wrote:
Ambulance chasing law firm parasites know who to pursue. City of York Council.
Lots of compo to be had out of our council taxes. All because no one has the bottle to deal with the problem. With the exception of Mark Warters of course.
Ambulance-chasing law firm parasites?

What an interesting turn.

Rather than addressing the issue, which to be honest, is nothing but negligence on not only the horse owner's part but York City Council for failing to deal with this long-standing issue, we seem to be turning the guns to those people who have suffered loss or injury as a result of one of these animals breaking their tether and running loose on some of our most busiest roads.

I was always lead to believe that prevention was better than cure.

I suppose the alternative is should such a driver be confronted with a horse on the road, the driver should swerve to avoid it...into the path of an oncoming vehicle thus causing twice as much misery though no fault of their own.

There are ambulance chasers out there I agree but don't try and blame the victim for trying to get their lives back in order after what mush be a horrific ordeal.
Theres nothing interesting about ambulance chasing law firm parasites.
The number of times i get texts about the accident I never had makes me really annoyed.
[quote][p][bold]DeeJaiEss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]capt spaulding[/bold] wrote: Ambulance chasing law firm parasites know who to pursue. City of York Council. Lots of compo to be had out of our council taxes. All because no one has the bottle to deal with the problem. With the exception of Mark Warters of course.[/p][/quote]Ambulance-chasing law firm parasites? What an interesting turn. Rather than addressing the issue, which to be honest, is nothing but negligence on not only the horse owner's part but York City Council for failing to deal with this long-standing issue, we seem to be turning the guns to those people who have suffered loss or injury as a result of one of these animals breaking their tether and running loose on some of our most busiest roads. I was always lead to believe that prevention was better than cure. I suppose the alternative is should such a driver be confronted with a horse on the road, the driver should swerve to avoid it...into the path of an oncoming vehicle thus causing twice as much misery though no fault of their own. There are ambulance chasers out there I agree but don't try and blame the victim for trying to get their lives back in order after what mush be a horrific ordeal.[/p][/quote]Theres nothing interesting about ambulance chasing law firm parasites. The number of times i get texts about the accident I never had makes me really annoyed. capt spaulding
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7:01am Tue 8 Jan 13

hikerman says...

By the time City of York Council sort this out it wont be a problem we will be back using horse and cart.
By the time City of York Council sort this out it wont be a problem we will be back using horse and cart. hikerman
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7:06am Tue 8 Jan 13

Rockyrabbit says...

Another horse running on 1079 again this morning.
Another horse running on 1079 again this morning. Rockyrabbit
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9:02am Tue 8 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

Rockyrabbit wrote:
Another horse running on 1079 again this morning.
Was the going hard or soft and what are the odds.
[quote][p][bold]Rockyrabbit[/bold] wrote: Another horse running on 1079 again this morning.[/p][/quote]Was the going hard or soft and what are the odds. capt spaulding
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9:26am Tue 8 Jan 13

Rich Picking says...

Horses were loose at the side of B&Q Osbaldwick at 06.30 this morning. Only just managed to avoid them. I hope the police van that stopped managed to trace the owners.
Horses were loose at the side of B&Q Osbaldwick at 06.30 this morning. Only just managed to avoid them. I hope the police van that stopped managed to trace the owners. Rich Picking
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10:31am Tue 8 Jan 13

ilikechocolate says...

I am sure that the Councils own Animal Health Inspectors and local Rscpa officers will know who the owners of the horses are. I know one traveller from Osbaldwick site owns some of them as i see him tending to them when I go to Monks Cross,he has bought hay from me in the past.
I am sure that the Councils own Animal Health Inspectors and local Rscpa officers will know who the owners of the horses are. I know one traveller from Osbaldwick site owns some of them as i see him tending to them when I go to Monks Cross,he has bought hay from me in the past. ilikechocolate
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11:58am Tue 8 Jan 13

Yorkie Girl says...

SteadyOn wrote:
the commentator wrote:
SteadyOn wrote:
BioLogic wrote:
SteadyOn wrote:
Pete the Brickie wrote:
North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced.
It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.
I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.
Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.
Perhaps my comment was a little too acerbic and was born of frustration, and for this I apologise. In this instance, though, I stand by by assertion that Pete's comment was insensitive and poorly judged. Regarding the article, at no point does it refer to tethered horses, but that the horses escaped from a poorly secured field. If this is the case, then surely the owner of the land (whether it is a private land-owner or the council) is responsible for the horses and is culpable for any damage caused to persons or property. If they don't want this responsibility then they should take steps to remove the horses. If this is council-owned land, for Steve Waddington to suggest responsibilty lies elsewhere is merely passing the buck. If the horses belong to the travelling community, perhaps the council could provide a secure field for them to graze (the horses, not the travellers - therein lies a different debate). To use the police as glorified dog-wardens is ridiculous. Do you want them patrolling the streets or rounding up stray animals? With the limited resources of the current economic climate you can't have it both ways.
you are not seriously suggesting that we the tax payer now also now pay for land for travellers to keep their horses! Is it not enough that I have to listen to their kids constantly using public land on their quadbikes (which everybody including the police seem to turn a blind eye too) but now I must pay for land to keep their horses on!
That's exactly what I'm suggesting. Whether you like it or not, the travelling community will continue to keep horses and if an alternative is not provided then they will continue to tether them illegally. So you have a choice: Provide secure land for them to keep the horses safely, under council control, where they can be properly monitored, at the tax payers' expense; continue to have them being tethered illegally on roadsides or on private land where they may break free, causing accident and injury which is then rectified at the tax payers' expense; confiscate them (at the tax payers' expense); or have them put down and disposed of at, you guessed it, the tax payer's expense. There must be acres of unused council-owned land that could be set aside for a purpose such as this. Whichever way you look at it, the solution will cost money. As the saying goes, better the devil you know... Or perhaps you have another solution. In which case, be my guest...
i can see an alternative, capture them and give them back to the travellers by taking them to the campsites. They are their responsibilty and the have a load of land which they should keep all their animals on.

If they paid taxes then yes, lets provide some land, but as they dont why should they...if a group of taxpayers did the same we wouldnt have a field donated to us!
[quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: [quote] North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced. [/quote] It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.[/p][/quote]Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.[/p][/quote]Perhaps my comment was a little too acerbic and was born of frustration, and for this I apologise. In this instance, though, I stand by by assertion that Pete's comment was insensitive and poorly judged. Regarding the article, at no point does it refer to tethered horses, but that the horses escaped from a poorly secured field. If this is the case, then surely the owner of the land (whether it is a private land-owner or the council) is responsible for the horses and is culpable for any damage caused to persons or property. If they don't want this responsibility then they should take steps to remove the horses. If this is council-owned land, for Steve Waddington to suggest responsibilty lies elsewhere is merely passing the buck. If the horses belong to the travelling community, perhaps the council could provide a secure field for them to graze (the horses, not the travellers - therein lies a different debate). To use the police as glorified dog-wardens is ridiculous. Do you want them patrolling the streets or rounding up stray animals? With the limited resources of the current economic climate you can't have it both ways.[/p][/quote]you are not seriously suggesting that we the tax payer now also now pay for land for travellers to keep their horses! Is it not enough that I have to listen to their kids constantly using public land on their quadbikes (which everybody including the police seem to turn a blind eye too) but now I must pay for land to keep their horses on![/p][/quote]That's exactly what I'm suggesting. Whether you like it or not, the travelling community will continue to keep horses and if an alternative is not provided then they will continue to tether them illegally. So you have a choice: Provide secure land for them to keep the horses safely, under council control, where they can be properly monitored, at the tax payers' expense; continue to have them being tethered illegally on roadsides or on private land where they may break free, causing accident and injury which is then rectified at the tax payers' expense; confiscate them (at the tax payers' expense); or have them put down and disposed of at, you guessed it, the tax payer's expense. There must be acres of unused council-owned land that could be set aside for a purpose such as this. Whichever way you look at it, the solution will cost money. As the saying goes, better the devil you know... Or perhaps you have another solution. In which case, be my guest...[/p][/quote]i can see an alternative, capture them and give them back to the travellers by taking them to the campsites. They are their responsibilty and the have a load of land which they should keep all their animals on. If they paid taxes then yes, lets provide some land, but as they dont why should they...if a group of taxpayers did the same we wouldnt have a field donated to us! Yorkie Girl
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1:30pm Tue 8 Jan 13

SpingloSponglo says...

capt spaulding wrote:
DeeJaiEss wrote:
capt spaulding wrote:
Ambulance chasing law firm parasites know who to pursue. City of York Council.
Lots of compo to be had out of our council taxes. All because no one has the bottle to deal with the problem. With the exception of Mark Warters of course.
Ambulance-chasing law firm parasites?

What an interesting turn.

Rather than addressing the issue, which to be honest, is nothing but negligence on not only the horse owner's part but York City Council for failing to deal with this long-standing issue, we seem to be turning the guns to those people who have suffered loss or injury as a result of one of these animals breaking their tether and running loose on some of our most busiest roads.

I was always lead to believe that prevention was better than cure.

I suppose the alternative is should such a driver be confronted with a horse on the road, the driver should swerve to avoid it...into the path of an oncoming vehicle thus causing twice as much misery though no fault of their own.

There are ambulance chasers out there I agree but don't try and blame the victim for trying to get their lives back in order after what mush be a horrific ordeal.
Theres nothing interesting about ambulance chasing law firm parasites.
The number of times i get texts about the accident I never had makes me really annoyed.
And suddenly it all becomes clear. An ignorant mook with an axe to grind. Spam texts are not from law firms. They're from nefarious "Claims Management Companies". Complain to your mobile phone company instead of spouting your uninformed slurry here.
[quote][p][bold]capt spaulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DeeJaiEss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]capt spaulding[/bold] wrote: Ambulance chasing law firm parasites know who to pursue. City of York Council. Lots of compo to be had out of our council taxes. All because no one has the bottle to deal with the problem. With the exception of Mark Warters of course.[/p][/quote]Ambulance-chasing law firm parasites? What an interesting turn. Rather than addressing the issue, which to be honest, is nothing but negligence on not only the horse owner's part but York City Council for failing to deal with this long-standing issue, we seem to be turning the guns to those people who have suffered loss or injury as a result of one of these animals breaking their tether and running loose on some of our most busiest roads. I was always lead to believe that prevention was better than cure. I suppose the alternative is should such a driver be confronted with a horse on the road, the driver should swerve to avoid it...into the path of an oncoming vehicle thus causing twice as much misery though no fault of their own. There are ambulance chasers out there I agree but don't try and blame the victim for trying to get their lives back in order after what mush be a horrific ordeal.[/p][/quote]Theres nothing interesting about ambulance chasing law firm parasites. The number of times i get texts about the accident I never had makes me really annoyed.[/p][/quote]And suddenly it all becomes clear. An ignorant mook with an axe to grind. Spam texts are not from law firms. They're from nefarious "Claims Management Companies". Complain to your mobile phone company instead of spouting your uninformed slurry here. SpingloSponglo
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1:33pm Tue 8 Jan 13

SpingloSponglo says...

Yorkie Girl wrote:
SteadyOn wrote:
the commentator wrote:
SteadyOn wrote:
BioLogic wrote:
SteadyOn wrote:
Pete the Brickie wrote:
North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced.
It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.
I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.
Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.
Perhaps my comment was a little too acerbic and was born of frustration, and for this I apologise. In this instance, though, I stand by by assertion that Pete's comment was insensitive and poorly judged. Regarding the article, at no point does it refer to tethered horses, but that the horses escaped from a poorly secured field. If this is the case, then surely the owner of the land (whether it is a private land-owner or the council) is responsible for the horses and is culpable for any damage caused to persons or property. If they don't want this responsibility then they should take steps to remove the horses. If this is council-owned land, for Steve Waddington to suggest responsibilty lies elsewhere is merely passing the buck. If the horses belong to the travelling community, perhaps the council could provide a secure field for them to graze (the horses, not the travellers - therein lies a different debate). To use the police as glorified dog-wardens is ridiculous. Do you want them patrolling the streets or rounding up stray animals? With the limited resources of the current economic climate you can't have it both ways.
you are not seriously suggesting that we the tax payer now also now pay for land for travellers to keep their horses! Is it not enough that I have to listen to their kids constantly using public land on their quadbikes (which everybody including the police seem to turn a blind eye too) but now I must pay for land to keep their horses on!
That's exactly what I'm suggesting. Whether you like it or not, the travelling community will continue to keep horses and if an alternative is not provided then they will continue to tether them illegally. So you have a choice: Provide secure land for them to keep the horses safely, under council control, where they can be properly monitored, at the tax payers' expense; continue to have them being tethered illegally on roadsides or on private land where they may break free, causing accident and injury which is then rectified at the tax payers' expense; confiscate them (at the tax payers' expense); or have them put down and disposed of at, you guessed it, the tax payer's expense. There must be acres of unused council-owned land that could be set aside for a purpose such as this. Whichever way you look at it, the solution will cost money. As the saying goes, better the devil you know... Or perhaps you have another solution. In which case, be my guest...
i can see an alternative, capture them and give them back to the travellers by taking them to the campsites. They are their responsibilty and the have a load of land which they should keep all their animals on.

If they paid taxes then yes, lets provide some land, but as they dont why should they...if a group of taxpayers did the same we wouldnt have a field donated to us!
So, basically, allow things to carry on as they are until somebody is killed. Out of spite.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SteadyOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: [quote] North Yorkshire Police confirmed they attended the accident, in which two horses were killed and two Ford Focus cars and a Hyundai Terracan were damaged. A spokeswoman said the horses’ owners had not yet been traced. [/quote] It might therefore be prudent for an officer in authority to divert a few more resources away from patrolling laybys, Morrisons and the immediate vicinity of their desks towards doing so, making them accountable and possibly saving an innocent motorists life then? They no doubt all found time to go the cinema over the holidays, the sort of people they are looking for strongly resemble Hobbits in their appearence, taste for travelling and liking of collecting things made from shiny metal, although I'd add they sell the ferrous objects they gather from third parties for cash rather than using it to save the planet from angry Wizards.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean, Pete. Those useless, layby-patrolling, doughnut-eating, paper-pushing rozzers. They should get out and about and make themselves useful, eh? The way you satirise them... It's brilliant. You truely are the "Voice of the People". Gold star for you, my brick-laying friend. Gold star. Your razor-sharp wit is wasted here.Don't let anyone tell you any different and promise me you'll never miss an opportunity to lampoon those silly boys in blue. Meanwhile, in other news... PC Andrew Bramma was killed whilst on duty over the weekend, responding to reports of an accident.[/p][/quote]Steady On - You will note that Pete's axe is firmly ground against the lacklustre (I'm being generous) management at NYP and not the generally hard working bobbies that do the donkeywork on a day to day basis. Andrew Bramma's death, any death of a PC, on duty is tragic and extremely sad, but as tragic as it may be, that shouldn't ever be a reason to not hold NYP to account for their organisational failings, of which there are many, not least where basic police work and enforcement, in conjunction with the local authority, could possibly have prevented the significant damage to property and risk to life and limb that has occurred over the the past 12 months due to their inaction. Pete at least chooses to do that criticism in jest rather than repeating the same dry but true mantra.[/p][/quote]Perhaps my comment was a little too acerbic and was born of frustration, and for this I apologise. In this instance, though, I stand by by assertion that Pete's comment was insensitive and poorly judged. Regarding the article, at no point does it refer to tethered horses, but that the horses escaped from a poorly secured field. If this is the case, then surely the owner of the land (whether it is a private land-owner or the council) is responsible for the horses and is culpable for any damage caused to persons or property. If they don't want this responsibility then they should take steps to remove the horses. If this is council-owned land, for Steve Waddington to suggest responsibilty lies elsewhere is merely passing the buck. If the horses belong to the travelling community, perhaps the council could provide a secure field for them to graze (the horses, not the travellers - therein lies a different debate). To use the police as glorified dog-wardens is ridiculous. Do you want them patrolling the streets or rounding up stray animals? With the limited resources of the current economic climate you can't have it both ways.[/p][/quote]you are not seriously suggesting that we the tax payer now also now pay for land for travellers to keep their horses! Is it not enough that I have to listen to their kids constantly using public land on their quadbikes (which everybody including the police seem to turn a blind eye too) but now I must pay for land to keep their horses on![/p][/quote]That's exactly what I'm suggesting. Whether you like it or not, the travelling community will continue to keep horses and if an alternative is not provided then they will continue to tether them illegally. So you have a choice: Provide secure land for them to keep the horses safely, under council control, where they can be properly monitored, at the tax payers' expense; continue to have them being tethered illegally on roadsides or on private land where they may break free, causing accident and injury which is then rectified at the tax payers' expense; confiscate them (at the tax payers' expense); or have them put down and disposed of at, you guessed it, the tax payer's expense. There must be acres of unused council-owned land that could be set aside for a purpose such as this. Whichever way you look at it, the solution will cost money. As the saying goes, better the devil you know... Or perhaps you have another solution. In which case, be my guest...[/p][/quote]i can see an alternative, capture them and give them back to the travellers by taking them to the campsites. They are their responsibilty and the have a load of land which they should keep all their animals on. If they paid taxes then yes, lets provide some land, but as they dont why should they...if a group of taxpayers did the same we wouldnt have a field donated to us![/p][/quote]So, basically, allow things to carry on as they are until somebody is killed. Out of spite. SpingloSponglo
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3:07pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Sillybillies says...

Bradford appear to be dealing with the problem -

http://www.bradford.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk

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Bradford appear to be dealing with the problem - http://www.bradford. gov.uk/bmdc/governme nt_politics_and_publ ic_administration/ne ws/new_ways_of_tackl ing_illegal_horse_te thering http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/ukengland-leed s-20146947 Sillybillies
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6:21pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Elizabeth Bennett says...

I have wanted my own horse after riding for the past 20 years but my job doesn't allow me the funds to sufficiently care for the horse, to house it appropriately and tend to its needs. I do little else with my money but pay bills and buy food (like most people do) and unless you own a field, livery is very expensive (at least £100 a month and that's just to rent a space) but very obviously necessary for the care of such a large animal. I doubt I'll ever avoid it so I wouldn't do it because it's not fair on the animal. It isn't as simple as putting them in a field either-who is going to maintain the field so it is free of poisonous plants, has a fresh water supply, mends the fences that get worn and broken? Why should my tax money do that? Why can some people decide they can do what they want and other people will find and pay for a solution? We don't need free fields, we need the police and council to enforce the responsibillity back onto these people who chose to own a horse, or ten. At least that's my opinion anyway.
I have wanted my own horse after riding for the past 20 years but my job doesn't allow me the funds to sufficiently care for the horse, to house it appropriately and tend to its needs. I do little else with my money but pay bills and buy food (like most people do) and unless you own a field, livery is very expensive (at least £100 a month and that's just to rent a space) but very obviously necessary for the care of such a large animal. I doubt I'll ever avoid it so I wouldn't do it because it's not fair on the animal. It isn't as simple as putting them in a field either-who is going to maintain the field so it is free of poisonous plants, has a fresh water supply, mends the fences that get worn and broken? Why should my tax money do that? Why can some people decide they can do what they want and other people will find and pay for a solution? We don't need free fields, we need the police and council to enforce the responsibillity back onto these people who chose to own a horse, or ten. At least that's my opinion anyway. Elizabeth Bennett
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