Councillor in attack on food bank

Volunteers work at the food bank at the Acomb Gateway Centre

Coun Chris Steward

Published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , News editor

A SENIOR York politician has sparked a furious row by saying there is no real poverty in Britain and people should not donate to food banks.

Chris Steward, a Conservative councillor, said living standards had surged, that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world, and that donating to them allowed recipients to spend more money on alcohol and cigarettes.

But his comments have been condemned by political opponents and The Trussell Trust, which runs 275 banks nationwide.

Chris Mould, the charity’s executive chairman, said more than 10,000 professionals nationwide were referring people to food banks and said: “He is making totally inappropriate assertions which I challenge him to back up with proper evidence.”

Coun Steward said on twitter that it insulted those in poverty to claim it existed in the UK. Asked to elaborate, he said Britain had relative poverty, like every country, but not absolute poverty.

He said: “We have lots of poor people, but living standards have surged over the years. There is certainly no need for food banks; no-one in the UK is starving and I think food banks insult the one billion in the world that go to bed hungry every day and ignore the fact a child dies of hunger every three seconds.

"The fact some give food to food banks, merely enables people who can’t budget (an issue where schools should do much more and I have said the council should) or don’t want to, to have more money to spend on alcohol, cigarettes etc.”

Mr Mould said Coun Steward was “poorly informed” and said living standards for people on low incomes had declined in recent years, with heating costs rising by 65 per cent in five years and the cost of basic food rising by 35 per cent. He said it was stereotyping to say those on low incomes were using money unwisely, saying there were many reasons why people found themself in crisis.

He said: “He says there is no need for food banks; I am astonished by his assertion. What does he know? Where is his evidence? More than 10,000 front-line professionals, week in week out, are referring people they are trying to help to food banks.

"They are seeing people from Cornwall to Inverness, York to Liverpool, and in increasing numbers they are referring people to food banks. I am talking from an evidence-base of 10,000 care professionals who would argue with him. It is astonishing he would make an assertion like that.”

Mr Mould said nobody suggested people should not be distressed or outraged by unnecessary hunger elsewhere in the world, but said: “It is clear that people in the UK who we meet have been going without meals when they arrive at food banks. They are going to bed hungry too. We are one of the richest countries in the world, but one of the most unequal in terms of income distribution in Europe.”

Tracey Simpson-Laing, the council’s cabinet member for health, housing and adult social services, called Coun Steward’s comments “astounding” and “disgraceful”, coming soon after the launch of The Press’s Stamp Out Poverty campaign and the findings of the York’s Fairness Commission, led by the Archbishop of York.

She said the council was working to tackle poverty, asked other Tory councillors to say whether they agreed with Coun Steward, and said she would write to Prime Minister David Cameron to ask whether Coun Steward’s comments reflected Government policy.

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9:54am Thu 3 Jan 13

bolero says...

Typical Tory stinking rich. Say no more.
Typical Tory stinking rich. Say no more. bolero
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9:57am Thu 3 Jan 13

Zetkin says...

Damned poor people, snatching food from the tables of the deserving and corpulent rich.

How bloody dare they?
Damned poor people, snatching food from the tables of the deserving and corpulent rich. How bloody dare they? Zetkin
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10:00am Thu 3 Jan 13

willo the wisp says...

My Dear Mr Steward,

Maybe you need to get out more and live in the real world. With ever increasing food prices and salaries and benefits not increasing at the same rate, "whilst this is obviously not a problem for you", it's getting ever harder for families to manage. Food is just too expensive for some to afford.
My Dear Mr Steward, Maybe you need to get out more and live in the real world. With ever increasing food prices and salaries and benefits not increasing at the same rate, "whilst this is obviously not a problem for you", it's getting ever harder for families to manage. Food is just too expensive for some to afford. willo the wisp
  • Score: -1

10:02am Thu 3 Jan 13

beretta says...

Firstly, I'm not into politics in any way.
I think it's time the torys removed their heads from up their rear ends and had a good look around them and see how some of the people in this country are having to live.
I class myself as upper working class and I know people at my level who are really finding it hard to make ends meet and these are people who are in work, not your life long benifit claimers.
People are going without so their kids can have food on the table.
I bet Chris Steward didn't worry about the cost of his christmas dinner like alot of people
Firstly, I'm not into politics in any way. I think it's time the torys removed their heads from up their rear ends and had a good look around them and see how some of the people in this country are having to live. I class myself as upper working class and I know people at my level who are really finding it hard to make ends meet and these are people who are in work, not your life long benifit claimers. People are going without so their kids can have food on the table. I bet Chris Steward didn't worry about the cost of his christmas dinner like alot of people beretta
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10:10am Thu 3 Jan 13

Lord Muck says...

Chris, Chris - it's David on the phone for you..
Chris, Chris - it's David on the phone for you.. Lord Muck
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10:10am Thu 3 Jan 13

Big Bad Wolf says...

beretta wrote:
Firstly, I'm not into politics in any way.
I think it's time the torys removed their heads from up their rear ends and had a good look around them and see how some of the people in this country are having to live.
I class myself as upper working class and I know people at my level who are really finding it hard to make ends meet and these are people who are in work, not your life long benifit claimers.
People are going without so their kids can have food on the table.
I bet Chris Steward didn't worry about the cost of his christmas dinner like alot of people
Totally understand your point Beretta but when you say you are finding it difficult to make ends meet, the outcome will be more likely using a cheaper brand than usual.... A lot of people are looking at missing meals and that is where the food bank is a life line.
[quote][p][bold]beretta[/bold] wrote: Firstly, I'm not into politics in any way. I think it's time the torys removed their heads from up their rear ends and had a good look around them and see how some of the people in this country are having to live. I class myself as upper working class and I know people at my level who are really finding it hard to make ends meet and these are people who are in work, not your life long benifit claimers. People are going without so their kids can have food on the table. I bet Chris Steward didn't worry about the cost of his christmas dinner like alot of people[/p][/quote]Totally understand your point Beretta but when you say you are finding it difficult to make ends meet, the outcome will be more likely using a cheaper brand than usual.... A lot of people are looking at missing meals and that is where the food bank is a life line. Big Bad Wolf
  • Score: 1

10:12am Thu 3 Jan 13

kirchheim says...

So Cllr Steward thinks that if schools and the council were to do more to teach budgeting there would be no more poverty and no need for food banks. What an interesting view of the world. If his repellent party leaders and the rest of our lamentable government were to do more to ensure that the vast majority of people had decent, well-paid jobs backed up by a proper, supportive benefits system THEN we would need no food banks. Cllr Steward is not fit to be a citizens' representative!
So Cllr Steward thinks that if schools and the council were to do more to teach budgeting there would be no more poverty and no need for food banks. What an interesting view of the world. If his repellent party leaders and the rest of our lamentable government were to do more to ensure that the vast majority of people had decent, well-paid jobs backed up by a proper, supportive benefits system THEN we would need no food banks. Cllr Steward is not fit to be a citizens' representative! kirchheim
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10:12am Thu 3 Jan 13

Fat Harry says...

I'm reminded of the old anarchist slgan, "Feed the poor - eat the rich."
I'm reminded of the old anarchist slgan, "Feed the poor - eat the rich." Fat Harry
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10:16am Thu 3 Jan 13

Sillybillies says...

Chris Steward, a Conservative councillor, said living standards had surged, that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world, and that donating to them allowed recipients to spend more money on alcohol and cigarettes.

I'm sure he's absolutely right!
[quote]Chris Steward, a Conservative councillor, said living standards had surged, that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world, and that donating to them allowed recipients to spend more money on alcohol and cigarettes.[/quote] I'm sure he's absolutely right! Sillybillies
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10:21am Thu 3 Jan 13

hifive says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Chris Steward, a Conservative councillor, said living standards had surged, that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world, and that donating to them allowed recipients to spend more money on alcohol and cigarettes.
I'm sure he's absolutely right!
That every poor person is in the situation they're in due to alcohol and cigarettes? All of them? I presume you're being sarcastic.......
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]Chris Steward, a Conservative councillor, said living standards had surged, that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world, and that donating to them allowed recipients to spend more money on alcohol and cigarettes.[/quote] I'm sure he's absolutely right![/p][/quote]That every poor person is in the situation they're in due to alcohol and cigarettes? All of them? I presume you're being sarcastic....... hifive
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10:23am Thu 3 Jan 13

pedalling paul says...

I recall a TV programme a few years ago, which compared poverty in Victorian York with todays. Underneath today's tourism veneer, there were some genuine stories of distress. A lot of the commentary was filmed from an open top sightseeing bus. Didn't a well known tour bus guide feature briefly in the programme....?
I recall a TV programme a few years ago, which compared poverty in Victorian York with todays. Underneath today's tourism veneer, there were some genuine stories of distress. A lot of the commentary was filmed from an open top sightseeing bus. Didn't a well known tour bus guide feature briefly in the programme....? pedalling paul
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10:23am Thu 3 Jan 13

Tony Manning says...

I thought charity began at home? Obviously he hasn't been homeless or destitute. In my previous employment I saw many folk who needed these worthy causes to get them through each and every day through no fault if their own. Wake up man and take a reality check! I am a Tory but Mr Steward's remarks enrage me to say the least
I thought charity began at home? Obviously he hasn't been homeless or destitute. In my previous employment I saw many folk who needed these worthy causes to get them through each and every day through no fault if their own. Wake up man and take a reality check! I am a Tory but Mr Steward's remarks enrage me to say the least Tony Manning
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10:24am Thu 3 Jan 13

Tinpot says...

Who actually uses food banks? If the state isn't providing enough social security for those temporarily out of work then that's the problem. Food banks could make the situation worse if it ends up letting the state avoid their obligations.
Who actually uses food banks? If the state isn't providing enough social security for those temporarily out of work then that's the problem. Food banks could make the situation worse if it ends up letting the state avoid their obligations. Tinpot
  • Score: 1

10:26am Thu 3 Jan 13

ReginaldBiscuit says...

This is a disgraceful comment. Here's to the next national and local elections.
This is a disgraceful comment. Here's to the next national and local elections. ReginaldBiscuit
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10:31am Thu 3 Jan 13

nr59 says...

I find it laughable when a Tory takes a swipe at benefit claimants.Have they all forgotten it was their great heroine Thatcher who actually created the "Benefit Culture" that still exists today.
I find it laughable when a Tory takes a swipe at benefit claimants.Have they all forgotten it was their great heroine Thatcher who actually created the "Benefit Culture" that still exists today. nr59
  • Score: 2

11:09am Thu 3 Jan 13

lezyork1966 says...

I think your all missing the big picture here, this is nothing to do with his comment I cant be bothered to address that issue..

The real issue is the governments hate mongering towards the unemployed, you have long term unemployed who are just not employable even though they have skills and can get off their arses, but employess wont gamble on them and give them a jopb when there is better looking candidates, so eventually you now have a two tier 'workforce', and one tier, becomes the longterm unemployed for reasons that are out of their control.

It is this group that is a permanent stone around the governments neck, and you paypacket, what they dont tell you is how much it hits your pay packet, its a few pennys, really is.

to the government its a big figure to use on the news.

once they make foodbanks look acceptable to the voters, they will pull benefits to save money for a new golf course.

these long terms will then have no income, and will then really hit you in the pocket as they have no option but to beg or steal, so if you back the government in this, then you can look forward to car radio thefts, petrol thefts, more garden shed thefts...

if you want to see where your money really is wasted, get on youtube and research a little.
I think your all missing the big picture here, this is nothing to do with his comment I cant be bothered to address that issue.. The real issue is the governments hate mongering towards the unemployed, you have long term unemployed who are just not employable even though they have skills and can get off their arses, but employess wont gamble on them and give them a jopb when there is better looking candidates, so eventually you now have a two tier 'workforce', and one tier, becomes the longterm unemployed for reasons that are out of their control. It is this group that is a permanent stone around the governments neck, and you paypacket, what they dont tell you is how much it hits your pay packet, its a few pennys, really is. to the government its a big figure to use on the news. once they make foodbanks look acceptable to the voters, they will pull benefits to save money for a new golf course. these long terms will then have no income, and will then really hit you in the pocket as they have no option but to beg or steal, so if you back the government in this, then you can look forward to car radio thefts, petrol thefts, more garden shed thefts... if you want to see where your money really is wasted, get on youtube and research a little. lezyork1966
  • Score: 3

11:15am Thu 3 Jan 13

Oncebitten says...

Comments on the Councillors sizes/stature are of no help and show only ignorance, he may have a medical condition!

I believe he is the most out of touch person in North Yorkshire/UK .

If one child cannot be fed today become of lack of cash then this is a travesty in 2013 UK.

Middle England do not want to believe there is poverty in the UK, while they live in denial they don't have to face the facts .

I will continue to give and live in the hope that I will never have to receive but if I ever become in need would be more than grateful for those that gave.

I believe the good councillor needs to engage his brain before opening his mouth
Comments on the Councillors sizes/stature are of no help and show only ignorance, he may have a medical condition! I believe he is the most out of touch person in North Yorkshire/UK . If one child cannot be fed today become of lack of cash then this is a travesty in 2013 UK. Middle England do not want to believe there is poverty in the UK, while they live in denial they don't have to face the facts . I will continue to give and live in the hope that I will never have to receive but if I ever become in need would be more than grateful for those that gave. I believe the good councillor needs to engage his brain before opening his mouth Oncebitten
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11:18am Thu 3 Jan 13

rothko says...

Just shows how completely out of touch with reality the Tory party are.
Just shows how completely out of touch with reality the Tory party are. rothko
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11:19am Thu 3 Jan 13

old_selebian says...

Daft comments from the councillor, he has a point about budgeting and prioritising but makes it poorly with sweeping generalisations
Daft comments from the councillor, he has a point about budgeting and prioritising but makes it poorly with sweeping generalisations old_selebian
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11:24am Thu 3 Jan 13

Zetkin says...

I agree with lezyork1966 that government and media hatemongering against claimants (be they disabled, unemployed, or anything else) lies at the heart of this.

The more the government get away with it, the easier it is to slash benefits, whilst ignoring the far greater sums that the idle rich avoid and evade paying in tax.

Steward's revolting attack on people in poverty (and upon the people at the Foodbank) is the thin end of a very big wedge.

Therefore, standing together to fight against government attacks on benefits and claimants is crucial if we're to prevent poverty becoming even more widespread than it is already.
I agree with lezyork1966 that government and media hatemongering against claimants (be they disabled, unemployed, or anything else) lies at the heart of this. The more the government get away with it, the easier it is to slash benefits, whilst ignoring the far greater sums that the idle rich avoid and evade paying in tax. Steward's revolting attack on people in poverty (and upon the people at the Foodbank) is the thin end of a very big wedge. Therefore, standing together to fight against government attacks on benefits and claimants is crucial if we're to prevent poverty becoming even more widespread than it is already. Zetkin
  • Score: 4

11:27am Thu 3 Jan 13

malwood9 says...

Can some one remind me why the Tories are called 'The Nasty Party'. When is this object of derision up for re-election.
Can some one remind me why the Tories are called 'The Nasty Party'. When is this object of derision up for re-election. malwood9
  • Score: 1

11:29am Thu 3 Jan 13

timcore says...

Could he be more shortsighted? Unbelievable. Not very smart. Totally unacceptable.
Could he be more shortsighted? Unbelievable. Not very smart. Totally unacceptable. timcore
  • Score: 0

11:31am Thu 3 Jan 13

m1d2b3 says...

Striped shirt with a striped jacket.

Thats the real offence here
Striped shirt with a striped jacket. Thats the real offence here m1d2b3
  • Score: -2

11:33am Thu 3 Jan 13

Rich Picking says...

Large helping of Humble Pie required
Large helping of Humble Pie required Rich Picking
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11:55am Thu 3 Jan 13

/kev/null says...

He won't see these comments anyway, that moat's not going to clean itself.
He won't see these comments anyway, that moat's not going to clean itself. /kev/null
  • Score: 1

11:56am Thu 3 Jan 13

brahma says...

dodgydavereturns wrote:
Even peddling Paul hasn't commented!
He is probably scared he would have to cycle around him! Something Sir Bradley May be challenged doing?

It's time this councillor stepped up to the plate!...... oh Hang on !
He was on here about an hour and three minutes ahead of you if you look.
Just for the record he observed, "I recall a TV programme a few years ago, which compared poverty in Victorian York with todays. Underneath today's tourism veneer, there were some genuine stories of distress. A lot of the commentary was filmed from an open top sightseeing bus. Didn't a well known tour bus guide feature briefly in the programme....?"
[quote][p][bold]dodgydavereturns[/bold] wrote: Even peddling Paul hasn't commented! He is probably scared he would have to cycle around him! Something Sir Bradley May be challenged doing? It's time this councillor stepped up to the plate!...... oh Hang on ![/p][/quote]He was on here about an hour and three minutes ahead of you if you look. Just for the record he observed, "I recall a TV programme a few years ago, which compared poverty in Victorian York with todays. Underneath today's tourism veneer, there were some genuine stories of distress. A lot of the commentary was filmed from an open top sightseeing bus. Didn't a well known tour bus guide feature briefly in the programme....?" brahma
  • Score: 1

12:05pm Thu 3 Jan 13

pedalling paul says...

brahma wrote:
dodgydavereturns wrote:
Even peddling Paul hasn't commented!
He is probably scared he would have to cycle around him! Something Sir Bradley May be challenged doing?

It's time this councillor stepped up to the plate!...... oh Hang on !
He was on here about an hour and three minutes ahead of you if you look.
Just for the record he observed, "I recall a TV programme a few years ago, which compared poverty in Victorian York with todays. Underneath today's tourism veneer, there were some genuine stories of distress. A lot of the commentary was filmed from an open top sightseeing bus. Didn't a well known tour bus guide feature briefly in the programme....?"
Tee hee.....!
[quote][p][bold]brahma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dodgydavereturns[/bold] wrote: Even peddling Paul hasn't commented! He is probably scared he would have to cycle around him! Something Sir Bradley May be challenged doing? It's time this councillor stepped up to the plate!...... oh Hang on ![/p][/quote]He was on here about an hour and three minutes ahead of you if you look. Just for the record he observed, "I recall a TV programme a few years ago, which compared poverty in Victorian York with todays. Underneath today's tourism veneer, there were some genuine stories of distress. A lot of the commentary was filmed from an open top sightseeing bus. Didn't a well known tour bus guide feature briefly in the programme....?"[/p][/quote]Tee hee.....! pedalling paul
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12:09pm Thu 3 Jan 13

yorkshirelad says...

Breathtaking arrogance. But i think some of these Tories genuinely don't think poverty (and other social problems) don't exist because they don't see it.

Another amazing side to it is how politically insensitive the New Right has become. They brazenly think 'anything goes' at the moment.

The best description I have heard of these new Tory bufoons is 'well mannered thugs'.

Poor old David Cameron and his efforts to detoxify the nasty party!
Breathtaking arrogance. But i think some of these Tories genuinely don't think poverty (and other social problems) don't exist because they don't see it. Another amazing side to it is how politically insensitive the New Right has become. They brazenly think 'anything goes' at the moment. The best description I have heard of these new Tory bufoons is 'well mannered thugs'. Poor old David Cameron and his efforts to detoxify the nasty party! yorkshirelad
  • Score: -1

12:10pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Newton1 says...

Prompted by this story I took a look at Chris Steward's twitter feed. Its full of other ill-informed right wing rants similar to this one.

I think the Tories should make him apologise or kick him out of the Party if he refuses.
Prompted by this story I took a look at Chris Steward's twitter feed. Its full of other ill-informed right wing rants similar to this one. I think the Tories should make him apologise or kick him out of the Party if he refuses. Newton1
  • Score: 0

12:11pm Thu 3 Jan 13

yorkshirelad says...

Whoops - mistaken double negative in my first paragraph above.Apologies.
Whoops - mistaken double negative in my first paragraph above.Apologies. yorkshirelad
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12:18pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Toplinkdriver says...

This man is out of touch with reality; I suggest that he takes up the opportunity to swap places with one of the families he clearly feels are not in need of help. Not just for a week, let him try it for a month and then see if he still holds the same bigotted views. He is an utter disgrace regardless of which political party is unfortunate enough to have him as a member.
This man is out of touch with reality; I suggest that he takes up the opportunity to swap places with one of the families he clearly feels are not in need of help. Not just for a week, let him try it for a month and then see if he still holds the same bigotted views. He is an utter disgrace regardless of which political party is unfortunate enough to have him as a member. Toplinkdriver
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12:29pm Thu 3 Jan 13

m dee says...

And to think this out of touch,arrogant , ignorant man who clearly has no understanding of what hardship really is like for many in today's society actually represents a party that hopes to one day run York Council and we all chip in for his allowance and expenses is in itself sickening.
And to think this out of touch,arrogant , ignorant man who clearly has no understanding of what hardship really is like for many in today's society actually represents a party that hopes to one day run York Council and we all chip in for his allowance and expenses is in itself sickening. m dee
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12:35pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Tom6187 says...

Tory in attack on the poor shocker. We all know what these privileged toffs are all about by now and they don't live in the real world. What worries me is the amount of poor people who vote for them, if you're poor and you vote Tory you're as thick as it gets.
Tory in attack on the poor shocker. We all know what these privileged toffs are all about by now and they don't live in the real world. What worries me is the amount of poor people who vote for them, if you're poor and you vote Tory you're as thick as it gets. Tom6187
  • Score: 0

12:43pm Thu 3 Jan 13

postie28 says...

a tory sticking the boot into people less fortunate than him is news ?????
a tory sticking the boot into people less fortunate than him is news ????? postie28
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12:45pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

I suggest that Coun Steward volunteers to assist at a food bank, contributing food, and using the opportunity to talk to those in need, and guage for himself the true extent of the problem, and how they food bank system works. He will then have first hand experience, and can then comment. He should then write a piece on his findings, apologising for any statement that has caused offence.

I also think that those who are making the personal insulting physical comments towards Coun Steward, should do the same thing. If they disagree with him, by all means say so, then back up their argument with facts, instead of acting like a bunch of playground bullies. A contribution to the food bank would be an appropriate gesture to make amends for their behaviour.
I suggest that Coun Steward volunteers to assist at a food bank, contributing food, and using the opportunity to talk to those in need, and guage for himself the true extent of the problem, and how they food bank system works. He will then have first hand experience, and can then comment. He should then write a piece on his findings, apologising for any statement that has caused offence. I also think that those who are making the personal insulting physical comments towards Coun Steward, should do the same thing. If they disagree with him, by all means say so, then back up their argument with facts, instead of acting like a bunch of playground bullies. A contribution to the food bank would be an appropriate gesture to make amends for their behaviour. Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:46pm Thu 3 Jan 13

goodfellow says...

He is a Stockbrokers in York
Member of Taxpayers' Alliance
Member of North Yorkshire Fire & Rescue Authority
member of CYC
so must be getting £10,000 + in ratepayers money. and He is Chairman of the Local Conservative ****.
good example of the Nasty party
He is a Stockbrokers in York Member of Taxpayers' Alliance Member of North Yorkshire Fire & Rescue Authority member of CYC so must be getting £10,000 + in ratepayers money. and He is Chairman of the Local Conservative ****. good example of the Nasty party goodfellow
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12:46pm Thu 3 Jan 13

the original Homer says...

I don't agree with the councillors comments at all, but I do think he has actually helped by commenting.

Just look at the number of comments on here, and think how many people (me included) have read the article because it appears as a "most commented".

We are all more aware of the issues, indirectly because of the councillor's comments.

I too have concerns if it simply means some people can use the food bank as a means of having more money to spend on booze and fags.
However, if you try to exclude those you'd exclude all the others who really do go short of food.
There must be many who don't have the money for food OR booze OR cigs, and whose first prority would be food.
There will also be some of the boozers / smokers whose families will get food they wouldn't have got, even if money is still wasted elsewhere.
If the foodbank feeds some undernourished kid, it's needed, even if it has flaws elsewhere.
I don't agree with the councillors comments at all, but I do think he has actually helped by commenting. Just look at the number of comments on here, and think how many people (me included) have read the article because it appears as a "most commented". We are all more aware of the issues, indirectly because of the councillor's comments. I too have concerns if it simply means some people can use the food bank as a means of having more money to spend on booze and fags. However, if you try to exclude those you'd exclude all the others who really do go short of food. There must be many who don't have the money for food OR booze OR cigs, and whose first prority would be food. There will also be some of the boozers / smokers whose families will get food they wouldn't have got, even if money is still wasted elsewhere. If the foodbank feeds some undernourished kid, it's needed, even if it has flaws elsewhere. the original Homer
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12:50pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Stuart Wyatt says...

It never ceases to amaze me how out of touch, selfish and hateful the Tories are towards poor people. I know many people who rely or have relied on food banks to stay alive. These are GOOD people who have been shafted by Tory policies, and who have found themselves either unemployed, or not able to earn enough to survive, or those poor disabled who are being culled by ATOS.

For such an overweight man to make this comment just highlights the hypocrisy of the Conservatives. While it is 100% evident that starvation doesn't exist in HIS household, it exists in this country. Just because the starvation in this country is not as bad as elsewhere in the world is not a valid reason to ignore the suffering over here.

I hope that the good people of York are able to vote this nutter out of office.
It never ceases to amaze me how out of touch, selfish and hateful the Tories are towards poor people. I know many people who rely or have relied on food banks to stay alive. These are GOOD people who have been shafted by Tory policies, and who have found themselves either unemployed, or not able to earn enough to survive, or those poor disabled who are being culled by ATOS. For such an overweight man to make this comment just highlights the hypocrisy of the Conservatives. While it is 100% evident that starvation doesn't exist in HIS household, it exists in this country. Just because the starvation in this country is not as bad as elsewhere in the world is not a valid reason to ignore the suffering over here. I hope that the good people of York are able to vote this nutter out of office. Stuart Wyatt
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12:55pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Ichabod76 says...

I in no way agree with Chris Steward's comments, but if this story was about a comment made by a Labour councillor on any subject there would be no discussion allowed and if anyone call's the council leader fat, all comments are removed !
where is the equality ?
I in no way agree with Chris Steward's comments, but if this story was about a comment made by a Labour councillor on any subject there would be no discussion allowed and if anyone call's the council leader fat, all comments are removed ! where is the equality ? Ichabod76
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12:55pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Newton1 wrote:
Prompted by this story I took a look at Chris Steward's twitter feed. Its full of other ill-informed right wing rants similar to this one. I think the Tories should make him apologise or kick him out of the Party if he refuses.
Ah ha... the pot calls the kettle ?

You should vet the twitter feeds of your own Labour group before criticising Coun Steward's. What did you do about Coun Crisp's 'rotten apple' tweet against poor Coun Jeffreys ? Nothing at all. Shame on you for allowing such disgraceful personal attacks, and not removing her from her cabinet post for equality. What an absolute hypocrite ! .

I hope readers do look at Coun Steward's twitter feed, and they will see that he is actually a mild mannered, decent bloke, and nothing like the characterisations of the personal insults on this thread. They should then look at Coun Crisp's, Coun Simpson-Laing's and Coun William's twitter feeds an compare them with Coun Steward's. Lets see who should be making the most apologies shall we ?
[quote][p][bold]Newton1[/bold] wrote: Prompted by this story I took a look at Chris Steward's twitter feed. Its full of other ill-informed right wing rants similar to this one. I think the Tories should make him apologise or kick him out of the Party if he refuses.[/p][/quote]Ah ha... the pot calls the kettle ? You should vet the twitter feeds of your own Labour group before criticising Coun Steward's. What did you do about Coun Crisp's 'rotten apple' tweet against poor Coun Jeffreys ? Nothing at all. Shame on you for allowing such disgraceful personal attacks, and not removing her from her cabinet post for equality. What an absolute hypocrite ! . I hope readers do look at Coun Steward's twitter feed, and they will see that he is actually a mild mannered, decent bloke, and nothing like the characterisations of the personal insults on this thread. They should then look at Coun Crisp's, Coun Simpson-Laing's and Coun William's twitter feeds an compare them with Coun Steward's. Lets see who should be making the most apologies shall we ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:01pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

I'm completely disgusted by the councillor's comments.

that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world... ...I think food banks insult the one billion in the world that go to bed hungry every day and ignore the fact a child dies of hunger every three seconds.

Yes well, a broken arm is nothing compared to a heart attack, let's start treating the broken bones as minor and withdraw funding... oh wait.
Um, physical assault is nothing compared to murder, let's cut police and stop dealing with minor crimes... oh wait.

It's heartening to see these unanimous comments on this page from readers of all political persuasions.
It's looks on the face of it like Councillor Chris Steward has just committed political suicide.

I'm waiting for the rest of his party to denounce him or back him.
That's important.
Over to you York Conservatives.
I'm completely disgusted by the councillor's comments. [quote]that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world... ...I think food banks insult the one billion in the world that go to bed hungry every day and ignore the fact a child dies of hunger every three seconds.[/quote] Yes well, a broken arm is nothing compared to a heart attack, let's start treating the broken bones as minor and withdraw funding... oh wait. Um, physical assault is nothing compared to murder, let's cut police and stop dealing with minor crimes... oh wait. It's heartening to see these unanimous comments on this page from readers of all political persuasions. It's looks on the face of it like Councillor Chris Steward has just committed political suicide. I'm waiting for the rest of his party to denounce him or back him. That's important. Over to you York Conservatives. Buzz Light-year
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1:02pm Thu 3 Jan 13

farmer_robot says...

Typical Tory line, sadly. Take this interview with Thatcher from 1978 http://www.margarett
hatcher.org/document
/103793 -> ""Nowadays there really is no primary poverty left in this country. In Western countries we are left with the problems which aren't poverty. All right, there may be poverty because people don't know how to budget, don't know how to spend their earnings, but now you are left with the really hard fundamental character—personal
ity defect. "

His comment about budgeting is pure Thatcher doctrine.

Victim blame is a key weapon in the Tories arsenal. Blame the poor for their problems. Cut the benefits to the unemployed who become fat. Attacking the symptoms of a society which has allowed itself to develop the biggest disparity between rich and poor in Europe. Utter disgrace.
Typical Tory line, sadly. Take this interview with Thatcher from 1978 http://www.margarett hatcher.org/document /103793 -> ""Nowadays there really is no primary poverty left in this country. In Western countries we are left with the problems which aren't poverty. All right, there may be poverty because people don't know how to budget, don't know how to spend their earnings, but now you are left with the really hard fundamental character—personal ity defect. " His comment about budgeting is pure Thatcher doctrine. Victim blame is a key weapon in the Tories arsenal. Blame the poor for their problems. Cut the benefits to the unemployed who become fat. Attacking the symptoms of a society which has allowed itself to develop the biggest disparity between rich and poor in Europe. Utter disgrace. farmer_robot
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1:02pm Thu 3 Jan 13

realist says...

I would suggest he is taking a hit for the team, very clever to distract attention from the national issues and at the same time getting the masses to fight among themselves.
I would suggest he is taking a hit for the team, very clever to distract attention from the national issues and at the same time getting the masses to fight among themselves. realist
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1:03pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Newton1 says...

the original Homer wrote:
I don't agree with the councillors comments at all, but I do think he has actually helped by commenting. Just look at the number of comments on here, and think how many people (me included) have read the article because it appears as a "most commented". We are all more aware of the issues, indirectly because of the councillor's comments. I too have concerns if it simply means some people can use the food bank as a means of having more money to spend on booze and fags. However, if you try to exclude those you'd exclude all the others who really do go short of food. There must be many who don't have the money for food OR booze OR cigs, and whose first prority would be food. There will also be some of the boozers / smokers whose families will get food they wouldn't have got, even if money is still wasted elsewhere. If the foodbank feeds some undernourished kid, it's needed, even if it has flaws elsewhere.
I'm sure that's just what he intended - say something outrageous in order to highlight an important issue on behalf of the poor! Not.
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with the councillors comments at all, but I do think he has actually helped by commenting. Just look at the number of comments on here, and think how many people (me included) have read the article because it appears as a "most commented". We are all more aware of the issues, indirectly because of the councillor's comments. I too have concerns if it simply means some people can use the food bank as a means of having more money to spend on booze and fags. However, if you try to exclude those you'd exclude all the others who really do go short of food. There must be many who don't have the money for food OR booze OR cigs, and whose first prority would be food. There will also be some of the boozers / smokers whose families will get food they wouldn't have got, even if money is still wasted elsewhere. If the foodbank feeds some undernourished kid, it's needed, even if it has flaws elsewhere.[/p][/quote]I'm sure that's just what he intended - say something outrageous in order to highlight an important issue on behalf of the poor! Not. Newton1
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1:10pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Zetkin says...

Toplinkdriver wrote:
This man is out of touch with reality; I suggest that he takes up the opportunity to swap places with one of the families he clearly feels are not in need of help. Not just for a week, let him try it for a month and then see if he still holds the same bigotted views. He is an utter disgrace regardless of which political party is unfortunate enough to have him as a member.
A good idea, but to be honest it needs to be a lot longer than a month.

The dire straits that push people to try the Foodbank tend to build up over months or even years.

Coun Steward should try keeping a family of four on the minimum wage (and with no recourse to thousands of quid councillor's allowances) for, say, two years.

Food; clothes and school equipment for growing children; bus fares (you'll have to lose the 4x4, matey); rent; council tax; electricity & gas to heat a damp, uninsulated house.

Then at the end of two years, you lose the job, and spend the next two years on jobseekers allowance. Even less money than you had on the minimum wage. You're forced to work 30 unpaid hours a week at Poundstretcher to hang on to your benefits.

Then come back and tell us the Foodbank exists only to subsidise the tobacco and alcohol companies' profits.
[quote][p][bold]Toplinkdriver[/bold] wrote: This man is out of touch with reality; I suggest that he takes up the opportunity to swap places with one of the families he clearly feels are not in need of help. Not just for a week, let him try it for a month and then see if he still holds the same bigotted views. He is an utter disgrace regardless of which political party is unfortunate enough to have him as a member.[/p][/quote]A good idea, but to be honest it needs to be a lot longer than a month. The dire straits that push people to try the Foodbank tend to build up over months or even years. Coun Steward should try keeping a family of four on the minimum wage (and with no recourse to thousands of quid councillor's allowances) for, say, two years. Food; clothes and school equipment for growing children; bus fares (you'll have to lose the 4x4, matey); rent; council tax; electricity & gas to heat a damp, uninsulated house. Then at the end of two years, you lose the job, and spend the next two years on jobseekers allowance. Even less money than you had on the minimum wage. You're forced to work 30 unpaid hours a week at Poundstretcher to hang on to your benefits. Then come back and tell us the Foodbank exists only to subsidise the tobacco and alcohol companies' profits. Zetkin
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1:13pm Thu 3 Jan 13

oi oi savaloy says...

I actually agree with this guy! There is no such thing as poverty in the uk! What we do suffer a lot of is child neglect from these so called parents who just have kids to boost their benefit claims! They have kids, take the money and then just spend it on booze,cigs and takeaways (and in some cases drugs) ... Bring in this voucher system now!
I actually agree with this guy! There is no such thing as poverty in the uk! What we do suffer a lot of is child neglect from these so called parents who just have kids to boost their benefit claims! They have kids, take the money and then just spend it on booze,cigs and takeaways (and in some cases drugs) ... Bring in this voucher system now! oi oi savaloy
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1:14pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Kevin Turvey says...

Well to me he has a point!

The number of so called poor people I see drinking and smoking is quite high, are they essentials?
No, all they do is place themselves in a worse position financially and indeed tha taxpayer.

If the safety net gets too big then people rely on it even more rather than resolve their own issues for themselves as adults through their own actions.

I am afraid that the situation is derived from 40 years of socialist policies and the growing nanny in this country so the population in general has been dumbed down so they are reliant on the state, therefore the state/government machine is more required.
It’s a vicious circle!

True anarchist policies would sort this out (not the ones that the statists tell you is anarchy. ie. violence)!
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Anarchism

I think James Alexander should resign over this!
Well to me he has a point! The number of so called poor people I see drinking and smoking is quite high, are they essentials? No, all they do is place themselves in a worse position financially and indeed tha taxpayer. If the safety net gets too big then people rely on it even more rather than resolve their own issues for themselves as adults through their own actions. I am afraid that the situation is derived from 40 years of socialist policies and the growing nanny in this country so the population in general has been dumbed down so they are reliant on the state, therefore the state/government machine is more required. It’s a vicious circle! True anarchist policies would sort this out (not the ones that the statists tell you is anarchy. ie. violence)! http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Anarchism I think James Alexander should resign over this! Kevin Turvey
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1:17pm Thu 3 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

I see the Tory Trolls are now trying to defend his comments, no wonder this country is in a mess when such people are part of it.
I see the Tory Trolls are now trying to defend his comments, no wonder this country is in a mess when such people are part of it. The Great Buda
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1:26pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

The Great Buda wrote:
I see the Tory Trolls are now trying to defend his comments, no wonder this country is in a mess when such people are part of it.
Not as nasty and personal as the Trotsky Trolls though.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: I see the Tory Trolls are now trying to defend his comments, no wonder this country is in a mess when such people are part of it.[/p][/quote]Not as nasty and personal as the Trotsky Trolls though. Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:29pm Thu 3 Jan 13

desmond tiblets says...

Food banks? Times must be bad.just shows you what labours spending did to this country.Brought this country to its knees.
Food banks? Times must be bad.just shows you what labours spending did to this country.Brought this country to its knees. desmond tiblets
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1:32pm Thu 3 Jan 13

corfu1985 says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
I actually agree with this guy! There is no such thing as poverty in the uk! What we do suffer a lot of is child neglect from these so called parents who just have kids to boost their benefit claims! They have kids, take the money and then just spend it on booze,cigs and takeaways (and in some cases drugs) ... Bring in this voucher system now!
No poverty in the uk,your having a laugh,try being a pensioner in tory britain today
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: I actually agree with this guy! There is no such thing as poverty in the uk! What we do suffer a lot of is child neglect from these so called parents who just have kids to boost their benefit claims! They have kids, take the money and then just spend it on booze,cigs and takeaways (and in some cases drugs) ... Bring in this voucher system now![/p][/quote]No poverty in the uk,your having a laugh,try being a pensioner in tory britain today corfu1985
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1:32pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
It is the left who are fanning the flames by exaggerating the extent of the problem, to divert attention from the far worse situation of housing need.

That's funny because I've just had a word with ColdAsChristmas who says it's nothing of the sort and in fact it's the "warmers" who are fanning the flames by exaggerating the extent of the problem, to divert attention from the far worse situation of taxes on fresh air or something.
This has nowt to do with your agenda.
[quote]Scarlet Pimpernel wrote: It is the left who are fanning the flames by exaggerating the extent of the problem, to divert attention from the far worse situation of housing need.[/quote] That's funny because I've just had a word with ColdAsChristmas who says it's nothing of the sort and in fact it's the "warmers" who are fanning the flames by exaggerating the extent of the problem, to divert attention from the far worse situation of taxes on fresh air or something. This has nowt to do with your agenda. Buzz Light-year
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1:34pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote: It is the left who are fanning the flames by exaggerating the extent of the problem, to divert attention from the far worse situation of housing need.
That's funny because I've just had a word with ColdAsChristmas who says it's nothing of the sort and in fact it's the "warmers" who are fanning the flames by exaggerating the extent of the problem, to divert attention from the far worse situation of taxes on fresh air or something. This has nowt to do with your agenda.
Turn it into a panotomime....


OH YES IT HAS !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]Scarlet Pimpernel wrote: It is the left who are fanning the flames by exaggerating the extent of the problem, to divert attention from the far worse situation of housing need.[/quote] That's funny because I've just had a word with ColdAsChristmas who says it's nothing of the sort and in fact it's the "warmers" who are fanning the flames by exaggerating the extent of the problem, to divert attention from the far worse situation of taxes on fresh air or something. This has nowt to do with your agenda.[/p][/quote]Turn it into a panotomime.... OH YES IT HAS !!!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:34pm Thu 3 Jan 13

desmond tiblets says...

Food banks? Times must be bad.just shows you what labours spending did to this country.Brought this country to its knees.
Food banks? Times must be bad.just shows you what labours spending did to this country.Brought this country to its knees. desmond tiblets
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1:35pm Thu 3 Jan 13

peterstreet says...

pedalling paul wrote:
I recall a TV programme a few years ago, which compared poverty in Victorian York with todays. Underneath today's tourism veneer, there were some genuine stories of distress. A lot of the commentary was filmed from an open top sightseeing bus. Didn't a well known tour bus guide feature briefly in the programme....?
"A lot of the commentary was filmed from an open top sightseeing bus. Didn't a well known tour bus guide feature briefly in the programme....?"

the peddling one just cannat help himself. He takes every opportunity, no matter how distastefull, to draw attention to himself. me me me me me me me me !

there is something seriously wrong with with Paul Hepworth that needs seeing to urgently!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I recall a TV programme a few years ago, which compared poverty in Victorian York with todays. Underneath today's tourism veneer, there were some genuine stories of distress. A lot of the commentary was filmed from an open top sightseeing bus. Didn't a well known tour bus guide feature briefly in the programme....?[/p][/quote]"A lot of the commentary was filmed from an open top sightseeing bus. Didn't a well known tour bus guide feature briefly in the programme....?" the peddling one just cannat help himself. He takes every opportunity, no matter how distastefull, to draw attention to himself. me me me me me me me me ! there is something seriously wrong with with Paul Hepworth that needs seeing to urgently! peterstreet
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1:37pm Thu 3 Jan 13

farmer_robot says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
Well to me he has a point!

The number of so called poor people I see drinking and smoking is quite high, are they essentials?
No, all they do is place themselves in a worse position financially and indeed tha taxpayer.

If the safety net gets too big then people rely on it even more rather than resolve their own issues for themselves as adults through their own actions.

I am afraid that the situation is derived from 40 years of socialist policies and the growing nanny in this country so the population in general has been dumbed down so they are reliant on the state, therefore the state/government machine is more required.
It’s a vicious circle!

True anarchist policies would sort this out (not the ones that the statists tell you is anarchy. ie. violence)!
http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Anarchism

I think James Alexander should resign over this!
True anarchist? "Liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality." - Mikhail Bakunin

Sort yourself out.
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: Well to me he has a point! The number of so called poor people I see drinking and smoking is quite high, are they essentials? No, all they do is place themselves in a worse position financially and indeed tha taxpayer. If the safety net gets too big then people rely on it even more rather than resolve their own issues for themselves as adults through their own actions. I am afraid that the situation is derived from 40 years of socialist policies and the growing nanny in this country so the population in general has been dumbed down so they are reliant on the state, therefore the state/government machine is more required. It’s a vicious circle! True anarchist policies would sort this out (not the ones that the statists tell you is anarchy. ie. violence)! http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Anarchism I think James Alexander should resign over this![/p][/quote]True anarchist? "Liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality." - Mikhail Bakunin Sort yourself out. farmer_robot
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1:38pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Sanctity says...

Chris Steward is a stockbroker in his day job. See here:

http://www.redmayne.
co.uk/branch/branch-
pics.htm?bID=36

As such completely unfamiliar with any kind of real productive work, in fact I'd say he's a member of the most significant scrounger class in the UK.

Anyway, his knowledge of what drives people to food banks, what trade-offs they are making, etc is pretty much guaranteed to be vanishingly small.
Chris Steward is a stockbroker in his day job. See here: http://www.redmayne. co.uk/branch/branch- pics.htm?bID=36 As such completely unfamiliar with any kind of real productive work, in fact I'd say he's a member of the most significant scrounger class in the UK. Anyway, his knowledge of what drives people to food banks, what trade-offs they are making, etc is pretty much guaranteed to be vanishingly small. Sanctity
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1:41pm Thu 3 Jan 13

oi oi savaloy says...

corfu1985 wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote: I actually agree with this guy! There is no such thing as poverty in the uk! What we do suffer a lot of is child neglect from these so called parents who just have kids to boost their benefit claims! They have kids, take the money and then just spend it on booze,cigs and takeaways (and in some cases drugs) ... Bring in this voucher system now!
No poverty in the uk,your having a laugh,try being a pensioner in tory britain today
??? My mum,dad and mother in law are doing fantastic on their pensions, all 3 from working class backgrounds.. Rowntrees/carriagewo
rks/nhs I don't know any pensioners in York who are struggling ,, I think you mate haven't got a grasp on reality!
[quote][p][bold]corfu1985[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: I actually agree with this guy! There is no such thing as poverty in the uk! What we do suffer a lot of is child neglect from these so called parents who just have kids to boost their benefit claims! They have kids, take the money and then just spend it on booze,cigs and takeaways (and in some cases drugs) ... Bring in this voucher system now![/p][/quote]No poverty in the uk,your having a laugh,try being a pensioner in tory britain today[/p][/quote]??? My mum,dad and mother in law are doing fantastic on their pensions, all 3 from working class backgrounds.. Rowntrees/carriagewo rks/nhs I don't know any pensioners in York who are struggling ,, I think you mate haven't got a grasp on reality! oi oi savaloy
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1:46pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

What's the betting that 'Sanctity' and 'Gladys Cheesepick' are labour stooges, who have just registered these avatars/accounts today ? Provoked or instructed by their party leaders, no doubt!

Never seen their comments before.
What's the betting that 'Sanctity' and 'Gladys Cheesepick' are labour stooges, who have just registered these avatars/accounts today ? Provoked or instructed by their party leaders, no doubt! Never seen their comments before. Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:46pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Torkie says...

We'd rather live in a society that's charitable and caring than one that looks down and sneers at others.
We'd rather live in a society that's charitable and caring than one that looks down and sneers at others. Torkie
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1:52pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Oncebitten says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
Breathtaking arrogance. But i think some of these Tories genuinely don't think poverty (and other social problems) don't exist because they don't see it.

Another amazing side to it is how politically insensitive the New Right has become. They brazenly think 'anything goes' at the moment.

The best description I have heard of these new Tory bufoons is 'well mannered thugs'.

Poor old David Cameron and his efforts to detoxify the nasty party!
I think they are well aware it's happening, but if they admit there is a problem then they have to deal with it, but while in denial ...they can continue to turn the blind eye.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Breathtaking arrogance. But i think some of these Tories genuinely don't think poverty (and other social problems) don't exist because they don't see it. Another amazing side to it is how politically insensitive the New Right has become. They brazenly think 'anything goes' at the moment. The best description I have heard of these new Tory bufoons is 'well mannered thugs'. Poor old David Cameron and his efforts to detoxify the nasty party![/p][/quote]I think they are well aware it's happening, but if they admit there is a problem then they have to deal with it, but while in denial ...they can continue to turn the blind eye. Oncebitten
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1:57pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Gladys Cheesepick says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
What's the betting that 'Sanctity' and 'Gladys Cheesepick' are labour stooges, who have just registered these avatars/accounts today ? Provoked or instructed by their party leaders, no doubt!

Never seen their comments before.
Happy to put money on it Mr Pimpernel....
:)
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: What's the betting that 'Sanctity' and 'Gladys Cheesepick' are labour stooges, who have just registered these avatars/accounts today ? Provoked or instructed by their party leaders, no doubt! Never seen their comments before.[/p][/quote]Happy to put money on it Mr Pimpernel.... :) Gladys Cheesepick
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1:58pm Thu 3 Jan 13

YSTClinguist says...

Oncebitten wrote:
yorkshirelad wrote:
Breathtaking arrogance. But i think some of these Tories genuinely don't think poverty (and other social problems) don't exist because they don't see it.

Another amazing side to it is how politically insensitive the New Right has become. They brazenly think 'anything goes' at the moment.

The best description I have heard of these new Tory bufoons is 'well mannered thugs'.

Poor old David Cameron and his efforts to detoxify the nasty party!
I think they are well aware it's happening, but if they admit there is a problem then they have to deal with it, but while in denial ...they can continue to turn the blind eye.
They know it is going on. They are creating it. But like the Nazi's with the 'Jew' platform they ran, they are succeeding to turn society against each other. 60% of those harmed by benefits squeezing recently have jobs. JRF work groups came up with a minimum wage for workers that allowed them to feel part of society, if that demographic is in the food banks then we're stuffed.
[quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Breathtaking arrogance. But i think some of these Tories genuinely don't think poverty (and other social problems) don't exist because they don't see it. Another amazing side to it is how politically insensitive the New Right has become. They brazenly think 'anything goes' at the moment. The best description I have heard of these new Tory bufoons is 'well mannered thugs'. Poor old David Cameron and his efforts to detoxify the nasty party![/p][/quote]I think they are well aware it's happening, but if they admit there is a problem then they have to deal with it, but while in denial ...they can continue to turn the blind eye.[/p][/quote]They know it is going on. They are creating it. But like the Nazi's with the 'Jew' platform they ran, they are succeeding to turn society against each other. 60% of those harmed by benefits squeezing recently have jobs. JRF work groups came up with a minimum wage for workers that allowed them to feel part of society, if that demographic is in the food banks then we're stuffed. YSTClinguist
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1:59pm Thu 3 Jan 13

raysalaugh says...

This is clearly a man who does not live in the real world. He has been elected by the people of York to represent there views. The people of York have the chance to get rid of a man who must live in his grand castle and who does not understand what happens to those less fortunate than himself. There is no room for a person like this to be placed in office, representing others. Get rid at the next election or ask him to resign.
This is clearly a man who does not live in the real world. He has been elected by the people of York to represent there views. The people of York have the chance to get rid of a man who must live in his grand castle and who does not understand what happens to those less fortunate than himself. There is no room for a person like this to be placed in office, representing others. Get rid at the next election or ask him to resign. raysalaugh
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2:00pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Gladys Cheesepick wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote: What's the betting that 'Sanctity' and 'Gladys Cheesepick' are labour stooges, who have just registered these avatars/accounts today ? Provoked or instructed by their party leaders, no doubt! Never seen their comments before.
Happy to put money on it Mr Pimpernel.... :)
Who are ya, then ?
[quote][p][bold]Gladys Cheesepick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: What's the betting that 'Sanctity' and 'Gladys Cheesepick' are labour stooges, who have just registered these avatars/accounts today ? Provoked or instructed by their party leaders, no doubt! Never seen their comments before.[/p][/quote]Happy to put money on it Mr Pimpernel.... :)[/p][/quote]Who are ya, then ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:05pm Thu 3 Jan 13

dudbertman says...

Perhaps you should step down as councillor as you do not seem to be in touch with reality of the poverty of many of our young people. Many of our one parent young Mums struggle with buying food and nappies, and paying their bills. They do not have there heating on a lot of the time, unless someones coming. Bless. Breaks your heart , well it does mine. As Grandparents we can only help a little.. Some can't even afford bus fare. Help them.Please. Don't hinder.Have compassion.
Perhaps you should step down as councillor as you do not seem to be in touch with reality of the poverty of many of our young people. Many of our one parent young Mums struggle with buying food and nappies, and paying their bills. They do not have there heating on a lot of the time, unless someones coming. Bless. Breaks your heart , well it does mine. As Grandparents we can only help a little.. Some can't even afford bus fare. Help them.Please. Don't hinder.Have compassion. dudbertman
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2:09pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

raysalaugh wrote:
This is clearly a man who does not live in the real world. He has been elected by the people of York to represent there views. The people of York have the chance to get rid of a man who must live in his grand castle and who does not understand what happens to those less fortunate than himself. There is no room for a person like this to be placed in office, representing others. Get rid at the next election or ask him to resign.
He gave an opinion, not a council policy proposal. This has nothing to do with council business, which he has been elected to represent on.

There is more harm being done to York and it's people by the Labour leadership. Their mismanagement of housing policy has caused massive harm to the local economy and added to the housing crisis - a fact that many are oblivious of, and one that the well-informed perpetrators would have York residents ignore.

Remove your votes from those whose actions damage York, not those whose opinions you disagree with.
[quote][p][bold]raysalaugh[/bold] wrote: This is clearly a man who does not live in the real world. He has been elected by the people of York to represent there views. The people of York have the chance to get rid of a man who must live in his grand castle and who does not understand what happens to those less fortunate than himself. There is no room for a person like this to be placed in office, representing others. Get rid at the next election or ask him to resign.[/p][/quote]He gave an opinion, not a council policy proposal. This has nothing to do with council business, which he has been elected to represent on. There is more harm being done to York and it's people by the Labour leadership. Their mismanagement of housing policy has caused massive harm to the local economy and added to the housing crisis - a fact that many are oblivious of, and one that the well-informed perpetrators would have York residents ignore. Remove your votes from those whose actions damage York, not those whose opinions you disagree with. Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:14pm Thu 3 Jan 13

asd says...

These people who spout off about loonie lefts etc are proberly religeous. I vagily remeber some of these religeous teachings like share and share a like, treat your neighbour as your self, jeez i would hate to be a neighbours with these hate filled comments thats been made. The fact is there is poverty and for anyone to say there is not is blind and pathetic.
These people who spout off about loonie lefts etc are proberly religeous. I vagily remeber some of these religeous teachings like share and share a like, treat your neighbour as your self, jeez i would hate to be a neighbours with these hate filled comments thats been made. The fact is there is poverty and for anyone to say there is not is blind and pathetic. asd
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2:17pm Thu 3 Jan 13

YSTClinguist says...

asd wrote:
These people who spout off about loonie lefts etc are proberly religeous. I vagily remeber some of these religeous teachings like share and share a like, treat your neighbour as your self, jeez i would hate to be a neighbours with these hate filled comments thats been made. The fact is there is poverty and for anyone to say there is not is blind and pathetic.
Wait, wouldn't those with religion actually be helping out their neighbours? Much like the CofE's massive volunteer programme, and the spectrum of churches around York and their outreach programmes already in place.
[quote][p][bold]asd[/bold] wrote: These people who spout off about loonie lefts etc are proberly religeous. I vagily remeber some of these religeous teachings like share and share a like, treat your neighbour as your self, jeez i would hate to be a neighbours with these hate filled comments thats been made. The fact is there is poverty and for anyone to say there is not is blind and pathetic.[/p][/quote]Wait, wouldn't those with religion actually be helping out their neighbours? Much like the CofE's massive volunteer programme, and the spectrum of churches around York and their outreach programmes already in place. YSTClinguist
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2:19pm Thu 3 Jan 13

hifive says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
raysalaugh wrote: This is clearly a man who does not live in the real world. He has been elected by the people of York to represent there views. The people of York have the chance to get rid of a man who must live in his grand castle and who does not understand what happens to those less fortunate than himself. There is no room for a person like this to be placed in office, representing others. Get rid at the next election or ask him to resign.
He gave an opinion, not a council policy proposal. This has nothing to do with council business, which he has been elected to represent on. There is more harm being done to York and it's people by the Labour leadership. Their mismanagement of housing policy has caused massive harm to the local economy and added to the housing crisis - a fact that many are oblivious of, and one that the well-informed perpetrators would have York residents ignore. Remove your votes from those whose actions damage York, not those whose opinions you disagree with.
It's not an opinion though is it? He hasn't said "in my view" or "as far as I'm concerned" , he's made out he's stating facts! He says "there is CERTAINLY no need for food banks". He is denying that there is a very real problem and sticking your fingers in your ears and la-la-la-ing your way through a role which demands that you work for the general public - the very public he's condemning - is sackable. Oh...in my opinion of course!
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raysalaugh[/bold] wrote: This is clearly a man who does not live in the real world. He has been elected by the people of York to represent there views. The people of York have the chance to get rid of a man who must live in his grand castle and who does not understand what happens to those less fortunate than himself. There is no room for a person like this to be placed in office, representing others. Get rid at the next election or ask him to resign.[/p][/quote]He gave an opinion, not a council policy proposal. This has nothing to do with council business, which he has been elected to represent on. There is more harm being done to York and it's people by the Labour leadership. Their mismanagement of housing policy has caused massive harm to the local economy and added to the housing crisis - a fact that many are oblivious of, and one that the well-informed perpetrators would have York residents ignore. Remove your votes from those whose actions damage York, not those whose opinions you disagree with.[/p][/quote]It's not an opinion though is it? He hasn't said "in my view" or "as far as I'm concerned" , he's made out he's stating facts! He says "there is CERTAINLY no need for food banks". He is denying that there is a very real problem and sticking your fingers in your ears and la-la-la-ing your way through a role which demands that you work for the general public - the very public he's condemning - is sackable. Oh...in my opinion of course! hifive
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2:49pm Thu 3 Jan 13

smiler45 says...

I wonder how the tory government would survive on the minimum wage maybe that is something they should try and see if they can manage without there big salaries for a year and then see if they think food banks are required or not when they have to struggle like the rest of us they might realise, they keep saying we are all in this together so maybe they should try some of their own medicine for once and put themselves in the same position as those that are struggling to make ends meet.
I wonder how the tory government would survive on the minimum wage maybe that is something they should try and see if they can manage without there big salaries for a year and then see if they think food banks are required or not when they have to struggle like the rest of us they might realise, they keep saying we are all in this together so maybe they should try some of their own medicine for once and put themselves in the same position as those that are struggling to make ends meet. smiler45
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2:56pm Thu 3 Jan 13

donaldo says...

I sincerely hope Steward never finds himself in the position of the people he condemns.
I sincerely hope Steward never finds himself in the position of the people he condemns. donaldo
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3:00pm Thu 3 Jan 13

outofspace says...

donaldo wrote:
I sincerely hope Steward never finds himself in the position of the people he condemns.
I sincerely hope he does. And if there is any justice, it will start when he loses the next election.
[quote][p][bold]donaldo[/bold] wrote: I sincerely hope Steward never finds himself in the position of the people he condemns.[/p][/quote]I sincerely hope he does. And if there is any justice, it will start when he loses the next election. outofspace
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3:03pm Thu 3 Jan 13

YoRkIe59 says...

the thing that baffles me most of the comments on this story is the fact that anybody is even surprised by it.its just a fairly typical comment from a fairly typical tory when are people ever gonna learn just remember this come election time.
the thing that baffles me most of the comments on this story is the fact that anybody is even surprised by it.its just a fairly typical comment from a fairly typical tory when are people ever gonna learn just remember this come election time. YoRkIe59
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3:09pm Thu 3 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

YSTClinguist wrote:
Oncebitten wrote:
yorkshirelad wrote:
Breathtaking arrogance. But i think some of these Tories genuinely don't think poverty (and other social problems) don't exist because they don't see it.

Another amazing side to it is how politically insensitive the New Right has become. They brazenly think 'anything goes' at the moment.

The best description I have heard of these new Tory bufoons is 'well mannered thugs'.

Poor old David Cameron and his efforts to detoxify the nasty party!
I think they are well aware it's happening, but if they admit there is a problem then they have to deal with it, but while in denial ...they can continue to turn the blind eye.
They know it is going on. They are creating it. But like the Nazi's with the 'Jew' platform they ran, they are succeeding to turn society against each other. 60% of those harmed by benefits squeezing recently have jobs. JRF work groups came up with a minimum wage for workers that allowed them to feel part of society, if that demographic is in the food banks then we're stuffed.
at last Godwin's law is evoked
[quote][p][bold]YSTClinguist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Breathtaking arrogance. But i think some of these Tories genuinely don't think poverty (and other social problems) don't exist because they don't see it. Another amazing side to it is how politically insensitive the New Right has become. They brazenly think 'anything goes' at the moment. The best description I have heard of these new Tory bufoons is 'well mannered thugs'. Poor old David Cameron and his efforts to detoxify the nasty party![/p][/quote]I think they are well aware it's happening, but if they admit there is a problem then they have to deal with it, but while in denial ...they can continue to turn the blind eye.[/p][/quote]They know it is going on. They are creating it. But like the Nazi's with the 'Jew' platform they ran, they are succeeding to turn society against each other. 60% of those harmed by benefits squeezing recently have jobs. JRF work groups came up with a minimum wage for workers that allowed them to feel part of society, if that demographic is in the food banks then we're stuffed.[/p][/quote]at last Godwin's law is evoked atorycouncil2014
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3:11pm Thu 3 Jan 13

atorycouncil2014 says...

The Great Buda wrote:
I see the Tory Trolls are now trying to defend his comments, no wonder this country is in a mess when such people are part of it.
Hello Calamity. I thought you said your job as Council Leader kept you too busy to work part time yet you have plenty of time to post anonymously on this debate (despite labeling people as cowards for doing it)

You really should drop the troll line though. Being a critic of your party makes you part of the majority not a troll
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: I see the Tory Trolls are now trying to defend his comments, no wonder this country is in a mess when such people are part of it.[/p][/quote]Hello Calamity. I thought you said your job as Council Leader kept you too busy to work part time yet you have plenty of time to post anonymously on this debate (despite labeling people as cowards for doing it) You really should drop the troll line though. Being a critic of your party makes you part of the majority not a troll atorycouncil2014
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3:17pm Thu 3 Jan 13

testinguy says...

I had to rely on The Trussel Trust more than once last year due to unfair (and in my mind illegal) sanctions made by the DWP (I was sanctioned 6 times in 6 months!) If it wasn't for people like this, and those that give to them then I wouldn't have eaten. Keep them going I say as they are a vital resource for those that need them. There are people that abuse these services I know, but not everyone, and we shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush.
I had to rely on The Trussel Trust more than once last year due to unfair (and in my mind illegal) sanctions made by the DWP (I was sanctioned 6 times in 6 months!) If it wasn't for people like this, and those that give to them then I wouldn't have eaten. Keep them going I say as they are a vital resource for those that need them. There are people that abuse these services I know, but not everyone, and we shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush. testinguy
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3:18pm Thu 3 Jan 13

dasreich1943 says...

I'm no Tory, but for goodness' sake, a tin of hot dogs costs about 30 pence! A budget ready meal is less than £1! The point is; no one is going to starve to death in the UK. Just take a look at photographs of skeletal children from other parts of the world, and then complain that we have a serious problem with poverty in the UK. Some perspective is required here!
I'm no Tory, but for goodness' sake, a tin of hot dogs costs about 30 pence! A budget ready meal is less than £1! The point is; no one is going to starve to death in the UK. Just take a look at photographs of skeletal children from other parts of the world, and then complain that we have a serious problem with poverty in the UK. Some perspective is required here! dasreich1943
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3:26pm Thu 3 Jan 13

eeoodares says...

smiler45 wrote:
I wonder how the tory government would survive on the minimum wage maybe that is something they should try and see if they can manage without there big salaries for a year and then see if they think food banks are required or not when they have to struggle like the rest of us they might realise, they keep saying we are all in this together so maybe they should try some of their own medicine for once and put themselves in the same position as those that are struggling to make ends meet.
I would like to see how messrs Blair, Brown, Mandy and the rest of them would do on £100,000 per year...me thinks that these socialists would struggle!
[quote][p][bold]smiler45[/bold] wrote: I wonder how the tory government would survive on the minimum wage maybe that is something they should try and see if they can manage without there big salaries for a year and then see if they think food banks are required or not when they have to struggle like the rest of us they might realise, they keep saying we are all in this together so maybe they should try some of their own medicine for once and put themselves in the same position as those that are struggling to make ends meet.[/p][/quote]I would like to see how messrs Blair, Brown, Mandy and the rest of them would do on £100,000 per year...me thinks that these socialists would struggle! eeoodares
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3:31pm Thu 3 Jan 13

eeoodares says...

dasreich1943 wrote:
I'm no Tory, but for goodness' sake, a tin of hot dogs costs about 30 pence! A budget ready meal is less than £1! The point is; no one is going to starve to death in the UK. Just take a look at photographs of skeletal children from other parts of the world, and then complain that we have a serious problem with poverty in the UK. Some perspective is required here!
What you have said is the unpalatable truth. You can eat very well for well under a £1. I did it when I was skint and you get used to it, I am not so skint anymore and leftovers made into another meal is still the norm in our house.

If you travel abroad and see what poverty looks like and then compare it to the UK...no comparison!
[quote][p][bold]dasreich1943[/bold] wrote: I'm no Tory, but for goodness' sake, a tin of hot dogs costs about 30 pence! A budget ready meal is less than £1! The point is; no one is going to starve to death in the UK. Just take a look at photographs of skeletal children from other parts of the world, and then complain that we have a serious problem with poverty in the UK. Some perspective is required here![/p][/quote]What you have said is the unpalatable truth. You can eat very well for well under a £1. I did it when I was skint and you get used to it, I am not so skint anymore and leftovers made into another meal is still the norm in our house. If you travel abroad and see what poverty looks like and then compare it to the UK...no comparison! eeoodares
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3:37pm Thu 3 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

atorycouncil2014 wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
I see the Tory Trolls are now trying to defend his comments, no wonder this country is in a mess when such people are part of it.
Hello Calamity. I thought you said your job as Council Leader kept you too busy to work part time yet you have plenty of time to post anonymously on this debate (despite labeling people as cowards for doing it)

You really should drop the troll line though. Being a critic of your party makes you part of the majority not a troll
Do you not understand that this mans actions is the reason we never have to suffer a Tory council?

He's un-done all of Daves work to de-toxify the Tory party in one simple ill-thoughout, ill-advised and down right stupid comment.

He's put the "nasty" back into the Nasty Party.
[quote][p][bold]atorycouncil2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: I see the Tory Trolls are now trying to defend his comments, no wonder this country is in a mess when such people are part of it.[/p][/quote]Hello Calamity. I thought you said your job as Council Leader kept you too busy to work part time yet you have plenty of time to post anonymously on this debate (despite labeling people as cowards for doing it) You really should drop the troll line though. Being a critic of your party makes you part of the majority not a troll[/p][/quote]Do you not understand that this mans actions is the reason we never have to suffer a Tory council? He's un-done all of Daves work to de-toxify the Tory party in one simple ill-thoughout, ill-advised and down right stupid comment. He's put the "nasty" back into the Nasty Party. The Great Buda
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3:39pm Thu 3 Jan 13

fiascophil says...

eeoodares wrote:
smiler45 wrote:
I wonder how the tory government would survive on the minimum wage maybe that is something they should try and see if they can manage without there big salaries for a year and then see if they think food banks are required or not when they have to struggle like the rest of us they might realise, they keep saying we are all in this together so maybe they should try some of their own medicine for once and put themselves in the same position as those that are struggling to make ends meet.
I would like to see how messrs Blair, Brown, Mandy and the rest of them would do on £100,000 per year...me thinks that these socialists would struggle!
If you imagine that Blair, Brown or Mandleson were or are socialists you clearly know nothing about politics!
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smiler45[/bold] wrote: I wonder how the tory government would survive on the minimum wage maybe that is something they should try and see if they can manage without there big salaries for a year and then see if they think food banks are required or not when they have to struggle like the rest of us they might realise, they keep saying we are all in this together so maybe they should try some of their own medicine for once and put themselves in the same position as those that are struggling to make ends meet.[/p][/quote]I would like to see how messrs Blair, Brown, Mandy and the rest of them would do on £100,000 per year...me thinks that these socialists would struggle![/p][/quote]If you imagine that Blair, Brown or Mandleson were or are socialists you clearly know nothing about politics! fiascophil
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3:43pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Spoonydoc says...

I am severely disabled, housebound and on long term sickness benefit.
A year ago when I was up for medical reassessment an admin error was made as a result of which all benefits were stopped. Although it was eventually sorted out and backpayment was made I was without any income at all for a period of 3 months.
I am lucky: I used to be able to work and so have some modest savings I was able to fall back on during that time. If I hadn't I may well have had to rely on foodbanks.

I am far from the only person this has happened to. Many people who go to foodbanks do so as a result of DWP errors and backlogs. Not everyone has savings they can use to tide them over.
I am severely disabled, housebound and on long term sickness benefit. A year ago when I was up for medical reassessment an admin error was made as a result of which all benefits were stopped. Although it was eventually sorted out and backpayment was made I was without any income at all for a period of 3 months. I am lucky: I used to be able to work and so have some modest savings I was able to fall back on during that time. If I hadn't I may well have had to rely on foodbanks. I am far from the only person this has happened to. Many people who go to foodbanks do so as a result of DWP errors and backlogs. Not everyone has savings they can use to tide them over. Spoonydoc
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3:46pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Gladys Cheesepick says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Gladys Cheesepick wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote: What's the betting that 'Sanctity' and 'Gladys Cheesepick' are labour stooges, who have just registered these avatars/accounts today ? Provoked or instructed by their party leaders, no doubt! Never seen their comments before.
Happy to put money on it Mr Pimpernel.... :)
Who are ya, then ?
Not a labour stooge or someone who has commented for the first time/just registered an account
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gladys Cheesepick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: What's the betting that 'Sanctity' and 'Gladys Cheesepick' are labour stooges, who have just registered these avatars/accounts today ? Provoked or instructed by their party leaders, no doubt! Never seen their comments before.[/p][/quote]Happy to put money on it Mr Pimpernel.... :)[/p][/quote]Who are ya, then ?[/p][/quote]Not a labour stooge or someone who has commented for the first time/just registered an account Gladys Cheesepick
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3:49pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Rich Picking says...

eeoodares wrote:
dasreich1943 wrote:
I'm no Tory, but for goodness' sake, a tin of hot dogs costs about 30 pence! A budget ready meal is less than £1! The point is; no one is going to starve to death in the UK. Just take a look at photographs of skeletal children from other parts of the world, and then complain that we have a serious problem with poverty in the UK. Some perspective is required here!
What you have said is the unpalatable truth. You can eat very well for well under a £1. I did it when I was skint and you get used to it, I am not so skint anymore and leftovers made into another meal is still the norm in our house.

If you travel abroad and see what poverty looks like and then compare it to the UK...no comparison!
I suspect that one person can eat reasonably well for a pound however visitors to the food bank will probably have young children to feed as well as themselves so I am afraid your pound will not go far. As for travelling abroad these families are probably not going to be able to for some time. Now enough about starvation in other countries (sad as it is) lets look after our own first.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dasreich1943[/bold] wrote: I'm no Tory, but for goodness' sake, a tin of hot dogs costs about 30 pence! A budget ready meal is less than £1! The point is; no one is going to starve to death in the UK. Just take a look at photographs of skeletal children from other parts of the world, and then complain that we have a serious problem with poverty in the UK. Some perspective is required here![/p][/quote]What you have said is the unpalatable truth. You can eat very well for well under a £1. I did it when I was skint and you get used to it, I am not so skint anymore and leftovers made into another meal is still the norm in our house. If you travel abroad and see what poverty looks like and then compare it to the UK...no comparison![/p][/quote]I suspect that one person can eat reasonably well for a pound however visitors to the food bank will probably have young children to feed as well as themselves so I am afraid your pound will not go far. As for travelling abroad these families are probably not going to be able to for some time. Now enough about starvation in other countries (sad as it is) lets look after our own first. Rich Picking
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3:53pm Thu 3 Jan 13

sounds weird but says...

Interesting how some comments posted previously seem to just 'disappear'!
Interesting how some comments posted previously seem to just 'disappear'! sounds weird but
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3:57pm Thu 3 Jan 13

JinxMeister says...

Typical coming from a selfservative, I believe he should resign for making such shocking statements.
Typical coming from a selfservative, I believe he should resign for making such shocking statements. JinxMeister
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3:58pm Thu 3 Jan 13

dasreich1943 says...

Rich Picking, that's my point, nobody is starving to death in the UK, so I don't think it's good enough to say "forget about people from other countries" and we should just "look after our own", the point is that "our own" aren't starving to death every day! All I am asking for is perspective, especially when choosing terminology! Yes we don't want people in a situation where they feel they have no choice but to take handouts, but we all know that should the handouts cease, no one will die...
Rich Picking, that's my point, nobody is starving to death in the UK, so I don't think it's good enough to say "forget about people from other countries" and we should just "look after our own", the point is that "our own" aren't starving to death every day! All I am asking for is perspective, especially when choosing terminology! Yes we don't want people in a situation where they feel they have no choice but to take handouts, but we all know that should the handouts cease, no one will die... dasreich1943
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4:01pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Hilly rides Horses says...

Arguments for being rich or at least slightly better off than the majority:

You have to get to that position in the first place by either inheritance or by sheer hard work/sacrifice/savin
g up (most peoples way).

You have to maintain a well paid job and its demands for years to be in the position you have worked hard for.

The taxman takes lots of money off you at 25 and 40%.

You pay national Insurance on your PAYE contributions at 11% a lot higher to get the same benefit as self-employed paying the minimum.

You have to continue to work hard to maintain your present position with the young and ever present competition attempting to get into your position who will work for less to get a step up.

You have to pay your full amount of council tax.

You are a hate/jealousy figure from the poor and possibly also a target for theft.

Interests rates at an all-time low so savings are worth less year on year.



Arguments for being poor:

Free accommodation (ie. Rent) paid for by welfare benefits.

Council tax severely reduced and indeed some paid for by additional council tax benefits.

Household bills covered by benefits.
Free food from food banks.

Leaving plenty of cash left over for essentials like fags and booze covered out of ‘your or my’ benefits.
If you are a registered alcoholic you get further payments to cover booze.



Conclusion:

Why bother with the effort/risk/further education of trying to be a good worthwhile citizen who tries hard to be independent of the state and responsible for your own actions?


Can the last worthwhile person in the UK can you please turn off the lights as you depart!
Arguments for being rich or at least slightly better off than the majority: You have to get to that position in the first place by either inheritance or by sheer hard work/sacrifice/savin g up (most peoples way). You have to maintain a well paid job and its demands for years to be in the position you have worked hard for. The taxman takes lots of money off you at 25 and 40%. You pay national Insurance on your PAYE contributions at 11% a lot higher to get the same benefit as self-employed paying the minimum. You have to continue to work hard to maintain your present position with the young and ever present competition attempting to get into your position who will work for less to get a step up. You have to pay your full amount of council tax. You are a hate/jealousy figure from the poor and possibly also a target for theft. Interests rates at an all-time low so savings are worth less year on year. Arguments for being poor: Free accommodation (ie. Rent) paid for by welfare benefits. Council tax severely reduced and indeed some paid for by additional council tax benefits. Household bills covered by benefits. Free food from food banks. Leaving plenty of cash left over for essentials like fags and booze covered out of ‘your or my’ benefits. If you are a registered alcoholic you get further payments to cover booze. Conclusion: Why bother with the effort/risk/further education of trying to be a good worthwhile citizen who tries hard to be independent of the state and responsible for your own actions? Can the last worthwhile person in the UK can you please turn off the lights as you depart! Hilly rides Horses
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4:04pm Thu 3 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

Hilly rides Horses wrote:
Arguments for being rich or at least slightly better off than the majority:

You have to get to that position in the first place by either inheritance or by sheer hard work/sacrifice/savin

g up (most peoples way).

You have to maintain a well paid job and its demands for years to be in the position you have worked hard for.

The taxman takes lots of money off you at 25 and 40%.

You pay national Insurance on your PAYE contributions at 11% a lot higher to get the same benefit as self-employed paying the minimum.

You have to continue to work hard to maintain your present position with the young and ever present competition attempting to get into your position who will work for less to get a step up.

You have to pay your full amount of council tax.

You are a hate/jealousy figure from the poor and possibly also a target for theft.

Interests rates at an all-time low so savings are worth less year on year.



Arguments for being poor:

Free accommodation (ie. Rent) paid for by welfare benefits.

Council tax severely reduced and indeed some paid for by additional council tax benefits.

Household bills covered by benefits.
Free food from food banks.

Leaving plenty of cash left over for essentials like fags and booze covered out of ‘your or my’ benefits.
If you are a registered alcoholic you get further payments to cover booze.



Conclusion:

Why bother with the effort/risk/further education of trying to be a good worthwhile citizen who tries hard to be independent of the state and responsible for your own actions?


Can the last worthwhile person in the UK can you please turn off the lights as you depart!
10/10.
[quote][p][bold]Hilly rides Horses[/bold] wrote: Arguments for being rich or at least slightly better off than the majority: You have to get to that position in the first place by either inheritance or by sheer hard work/sacrifice/savin g up (most peoples way). You have to maintain a well paid job and its demands for years to be in the position you have worked hard for. The taxman takes lots of money off you at 25 and 40%. You pay national Insurance on your PAYE contributions at 11% a lot higher to get the same benefit as self-employed paying the minimum. You have to continue to work hard to maintain your present position with the young and ever present competition attempting to get into your position who will work for less to get a step up. You have to pay your full amount of council tax. You are a hate/jealousy figure from the poor and possibly also a target for theft. Interests rates at an all-time low so savings are worth less year on year. Arguments for being poor: Free accommodation (ie. Rent) paid for by welfare benefits. Council tax severely reduced and indeed some paid for by additional council tax benefits. Household bills covered by benefits. Free food from food banks. Leaving plenty of cash left over for essentials like fags and booze covered out of ‘your or my’ benefits. If you are a registered alcoholic you get further payments to cover booze. Conclusion: Why bother with the effort/risk/further education of trying to be a good worthwhile citizen who tries hard to be independent of the state and responsible for your own actions? Can the last worthwhile person in the UK can you please turn off the lights as you depart![/p][/quote]10/10. The Great Buda
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4:09pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Rich Picking says...

dasreich how can you be so sure that nobody will die if the handouts ceased in this country? You dont know what actually goes on out there. The handouts are a major lifeline to many many people.
Perspective doesnt feed the less fortunate than yourself.........I truly hope that you do not find yourself having to use one of the food banks however I suspect you would be there like a shot if your young family needed feeding. Wake up and smell the coffee (if your lucky enough to afford it) instead of this ruddy perspective your ramming down my throat!
dasreich how can you be so sure that nobody will die if the handouts ceased in this country? You dont know what actually goes on out there. The handouts are a major lifeline to many many people. Perspective doesnt feed the less fortunate than yourself.........I truly hope that you do not find yourself having to use one of the food banks however I suspect you would be there like a shot if your young family needed feeding. Wake up and smell the coffee (if your lucky enough to afford it) instead of this ruddy perspective your ramming down my throat! Rich Picking
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4:17pm Thu 3 Jan 13

fiascophil says...

eeoodares wrote:
dasreich1943 wrote:
I'm no Tory, but for goodness' sake, a tin of hot dogs costs about 30 pence! A budget ready meal is less than £1! The point is; no one is going to starve to death in the UK. Just take a look at photographs of skeletal children from other parts of the world, and then complain that we have a serious problem with poverty in the UK. Some perspective is required here!
What you have said is the unpalatable truth. You can eat very well for well under a £1. I did it when I was skint and you get used to it, I am not so skint anymore and leftovers made into another meal is still the norm in our house.

If you travel abroad and see what poverty looks like and then compare it to the UK...no comparison!
I have travelled abroad as an aid worker so can speak empirically on this subject. Poverty is, of course, relative only to the country in which it is taking place so any comparison is pointless and meaningless. Cost of living, differentials between rich and poor, expectation of living standards and level of development are just some of the paradigms used to assess what constitutes poverty in a country. Clearly that means there is, as you say, no comparison - unless you take all of those differences into account. Poverty abroad, however, is further exacerbated by corruption in governments, exploitation of certain classes, creeds or ethnic groups, tribal disputes, war, famine, greed and selfishness amongst the elite, poor economic output or low gross national product and often pitiful levels of humanity amongst the controlling interest. We, however, are meant to pride ourselves on being a generous, caring, tolerant and civilised society that sets itself up as an example to poorer nations who might look to us for guidance and assistance.... or are we not like that? The fact that we do have so many people in this country whose standard of living is below what is acceptable in a developed country without having most of the problems experienced by countries with severe difficulties is quite shameful. To compare our situation with overseas is disingenuous to all concerned and yet another smokescreen to hide the truth of what this governments policies are doing to people of this country.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dasreich1943[/bold] wrote: I'm no Tory, but for goodness' sake, a tin of hot dogs costs about 30 pence! A budget ready meal is less than £1! The point is; no one is going to starve to death in the UK. Just take a look at photographs of skeletal children from other parts of the world, and then complain that we have a serious problem with poverty in the UK. Some perspective is required here![/p][/quote]What you have said is the unpalatable truth. You can eat very well for well under a £1. I did it when I was skint and you get used to it, I am not so skint anymore and leftovers made into another meal is still the norm in our house. If you travel abroad and see what poverty looks like and then compare it to the UK...no comparison![/p][/quote]I have travelled abroad as an aid worker so can speak empirically on this subject. Poverty is, of course, relative only to the country in which it is taking place so any comparison is pointless and meaningless. Cost of living, differentials between rich and poor, expectation of living standards and level of development are just some of the paradigms used to assess what constitutes poverty in a country. Clearly that means there is, as you say, no comparison - unless you take all of those differences into account. Poverty abroad, however, is further exacerbated by corruption in governments, exploitation of certain classes, creeds or ethnic groups, tribal disputes, war, famine, greed and selfishness amongst the elite, poor economic output or low gross national product and often pitiful levels of humanity amongst the controlling interest. We, however, are meant to pride ourselves on being a generous, caring, tolerant and civilised society that sets itself up as an example to poorer nations who might look to us for guidance and assistance.... or are we not like that? The fact that we do have so many people in this country whose standard of living is below what is acceptable in a developed country without having most of the problems experienced by countries with severe difficulties is quite shameful. To compare our situation with overseas is disingenuous to all concerned and yet another smokescreen to hide the truth of what this governments policies are doing to people of this country. fiascophil
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4:17pm Thu 3 Jan 13

jackhigh says...

On the radio today a food bank organizer spoke of a 'typical' case of giving food to a man who could not afford food because his car had broken down & he could not afford to get it fixed. She did not disclose the age & make of the car - we never get full details of cases like this
On the radio today a food bank organizer spoke of a 'typical' case of giving food to a man who could not afford food because his car had broken down & he could not afford to get it fixed. She did not disclose the age & make of the car - we never get full details of cases like this jackhigh
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4:19pm Thu 3 Jan 13

AJButler says...

hifive wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
raysalaugh wrote: This is clearly a man who does not live in the real world. He has been elected by the people of York to represent there views. The people of York have the chance to get rid of a man who must live in his grand castle and who does not understand what happens to those less fortunate than himself. There is no room for a person like this to be placed in office, representing others. Get rid at the next election or ask him to resign.
He gave an opinion, not a council policy proposal. This has nothing to do with council business, which he has been elected to represent on. There is more harm being done to York and it's people by the Labour leadership. Their mismanagement of housing policy has caused massive harm to the local economy and added to the housing crisis - a fact that many are oblivious of, and one that the well-informed perpetrators would have York residents ignore. Remove your votes from those whose actions damage York, not those whose opinions you disagree with.
It's not an opinion though is it? He hasn't said "in my view" or "as far as I'm concerned" , he's made out he's stating facts! He says "there is CERTAINLY no need for food banks". He is denying that there is a very real problem and sticking your fingers in your ears and la-la-la-ing your way through a role which demands that you work for the general public - the very public he's condemning - is sackable. Oh...in my opinion of course!
hifive wrote:
It's not an opinion though is it?


Given that the entirety of the quote from Chris Steward is pulled from a conversation he was having on Twitter, I'd say it's fairly obvious he's expressing his opinion.
[quote][p][bold]hifive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raysalaugh[/bold] wrote: This is clearly a man who does not live in the real world. He has been elected by the people of York to represent there views. The people of York have the chance to get rid of a man who must live in his grand castle and who does not understand what happens to those less fortunate than himself. There is no room for a person like this to be placed in office, representing others. Get rid at the next election or ask him to resign.[/p][/quote]He gave an opinion, not a council policy proposal. This has nothing to do with council business, which he has been elected to represent on. There is more harm being done to York and it's people by the Labour leadership. Their mismanagement of housing policy has caused massive harm to the local economy and added to the housing crisis - a fact that many are oblivious of, and one that the well-informed perpetrators would have York residents ignore. Remove your votes from those whose actions damage York, not those whose opinions you disagree with.[/p][/quote]It's not an opinion though is it? He hasn't said "in my view" or "as far as I'm concerned" , he's made out he's stating facts! He says "there is CERTAINLY no need for food banks". He is denying that there is a very real problem and sticking your fingers in your ears and la-la-la-ing your way through a role which demands that you work for the general public - the very public he's condemning - is sackable. Oh...in my opinion of course![/p][/quote][quote]hifive wrote: It's not an opinion though is it?[/quote] Given that the entirety of the quote from Chris Steward is pulled from a conversation he was having on Twitter, I'd say it's fairly obvious he's expressing his opinion. AJButler
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4:24pm Thu 3 Jan 13

meme says...

A bit of a red herring but there is a related article to this one called ''there is no shame in visiting a food bank''
But it hen states that a woman called sarah has been interviewed but her name has been changed to protect her identity...Is there some irony here? or was it unintentionally done this way?
As for the comments made by this idiot Tory councillor I have to say I dont believe he is representative of the views of the vast majority of Conservatives. He is a fool with a political death wish and deserves to be kicked out. hes as irresponsibvle as G brown was when buing votes yet busting the country doing so..Anyone noticed how he has disappeared off the face of the earth yet is still an elected politician presumably picking up his salary etc?
A bit of a red herring but there is a related article to this one called ''there is no shame in visiting a food bank'' But it hen states that a woman called sarah has been interviewed but her name has been changed to protect her identity...Is there some irony here? or was it unintentionally done this way? As for the comments made by this idiot Tory councillor I have to say I dont believe he is representative of the views of the vast majority of Conservatives. He is a fool with a political death wish and deserves to be kicked out. hes as irresponsibvle as G brown was when buing votes yet busting the country doing so..Anyone noticed how he has disappeared off the face of the earth yet is still an elected politician presumably picking up his salary etc? meme
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4:26pm Thu 3 Jan 13

dasreich1943 says...

Rich Picking, I don't drink coffee but I certainly can smell it! How, with all the apparantly very generous benefit payments, even to those in work, do people suddenly become unable to feed their children and danger of succumbing to starvation? I'm sorry but you sound like you are talking about a developing country, not the UK. As I said before, no one will die from hunger in this country, but yes, the least well off in society do need to be looked out for in more long term ways than some free charity food now and then...
Rich Picking, I don't drink coffee but I certainly can smell it! How, with all the apparantly very generous benefit payments, even to those in work, do people suddenly become unable to feed their children and danger of succumbing to starvation? I'm sorry but you sound like you are talking about a developing country, not the UK. As I said before, no one will die from hunger in this country, but yes, the least well off in society do need to be looked out for in more long term ways than some free charity food now and then... dasreich1943
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4:38pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Digeorge says...

I work on a voluntary basis for an advice bureau and do have clients who have nothing. Absolutely nothing.

The benefit cuts mean that they turn to agencies that I work for because they are so desperate and have become somewhat a local expert in the area where I work as 'destitution expert'. The numbers have increased since the recession and if it wasn't for the likes of the above centres and in Leeds, we would have far more poverty.

Sadly, the increasing numbers of homeless do not help and it will get worse over the next 18 months or so when the real benefit cuts such as tax credits and working tax credits start to bite.
I work on a voluntary basis for an advice bureau and do have clients who have nothing. Absolutely nothing. The benefit cuts mean that they turn to agencies that I work for because they are so desperate and have become somewhat a local expert in the area where I work as 'destitution expert'. The numbers have increased since the recession and if it wasn't for the likes of the above centres and in Leeds, we would have far more poverty. Sadly, the increasing numbers of homeless do not help and it will get worse over the next 18 months or so when the real benefit cuts such as tax credits and working tax credits start to bite. Digeorge
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4:43pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Matt_S says...

It's stupid to make blanket statements such as 'no one in the UK needs food banks' and 'donating to them means users simply spending more on alcohol and cigarettes', *but* it is certainly true that poverty in the UK is *nowhere near* that of many developing countries.

The biggest problem in the UK is the cost of renting or buying a house.
It's stupid to make blanket statements such as 'no one in the UK needs food banks' and 'donating to them means users simply spending more on alcohol and cigarettes', *but* it is certainly true that poverty in the UK is *nowhere near* that of many developing countries. The biggest problem in the UK is the cost of renting or buying a house. Matt_S
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4:43pm Thu 3 Jan 13

YSTClinguist says...

dasreich1943 wrote:
Rich Picking, I don't drink coffee but I certainly can smell it! How, with all the apparantly very generous benefit payments, even to those in work, do people suddenly become unable to feed their children and danger of succumbing to starvation? I'm sorry but you sound like you are talking about a developing country, not the UK. As I said before, no one will die from hunger in this country, but yes, the least well off in society do need to be looked out for in more long term ways than some free charity food now and then...
You are assuming that the claimants, including many who work and have to claim topups, are being paid what they are supposed to be. You are assuming ESA claims staff aren't denying claims because their workload is too high, knowing full well someone else will have to deal with it,18 months later. And it's not just a broken down car for a worker, but washing machines, fridges, they all break down (faster than they ought to nowadays) and the money for "essentials" doesn't seem to factor this in.

That the Tories have spread that vile comeback that workers who don't claim are being squeezed and that welfare claimants shouldn't be seen to get better raises in their money (to cover raising living expenses) has not been seen as "workers are being hard done by". Two separate things. But the "Us vs Them" argument is always a good one. Money, housing, bicycles. Compassion appears to be missing from all these arguments.
[quote][p][bold]dasreich1943[/bold] wrote: Rich Picking, I don't drink coffee but I certainly can smell it! How, with all the apparantly very generous benefit payments, even to those in work, do people suddenly become unable to feed their children and danger of succumbing to starvation? I'm sorry but you sound like you are talking about a developing country, not the UK. As I said before, no one will die from hunger in this country, but yes, the least well off in society do need to be looked out for in more long term ways than some free charity food now and then...[/p][/quote]You are assuming that the claimants, including many who work and have to claim topups, are being paid what they are supposed to be. You are assuming ESA claims staff aren't denying claims because their workload is too high, knowing full well someone else will have to deal with it,18 months later. And it's not just a broken down car for a worker, but washing machines, fridges, they all break down (faster than they ought to nowadays) and the money for "essentials" doesn't seem to factor this in. That the Tories have spread that vile comeback that workers who don't claim are being squeezed and that welfare claimants shouldn't be seen to get better raises in their money (to cover raising living expenses) has not been seen as "workers are being hard done by". Two separate things. But the "Us vs Them" argument is always a good one. Money, housing, bicycles. Compassion appears to be missing from all these arguments. YSTClinguist
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4:49pm Thu 3 Jan 13

wheelyjane says...

Councillor Steward you should be ashamed. May I suggest you visit Carecent, talk to Besom or indeed go visit and talk with those running and accessing the food bank - then come back and tell us it is not necessary.

Oh and dasreich1943 do you want to live on a tin of hotdogs and white sliced bread for a week let alone a month?
Councillor Steward you should be ashamed. May I suggest you visit Carecent, talk to Besom or indeed go visit and talk with those running and accessing the food bank - then come back and tell us it is not necessary. Oh and dasreich1943 do you want to live on a tin of hotdogs and white sliced bread for a week let alone a month? wheelyjane
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5:03pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Sawday2 says...

Obviously from the same school as the Tory minister who claims that rail fares are not overpriced and that our rail service is 'a premium product'.

What planet are these people on?
Obviously from the same school as the Tory minister who claims that rail fares are not overpriced and that our rail service is 'a premium product'. What planet are these people on? Sawday2
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5:04pm Thu 3 Jan 13

PKH says...

sounds weird but wrote:
lezyork1966 wrote:
I think your all missing the big picture here, this is nothing to do with his comment I cant be bothered to address that issue.. The real issue is the governments hate mongering towards the unemployed, you have long term unemployed who are just not employable even though they have skills and can get off their arses, but employess wont gamble on them and give them a jopb when there is better looking candidates, so eventually you now have a two tier 'workforce', and one tier, becomes the longterm unemployed for reasons that are out of their control. It is this group that is a permanent stone around the governments neck, and you paypacket, what they dont tell you is how much it hits your pay packet, its a few pennys, really is. to the government its a big figure to use on the news. once they make foodbanks look acceptable to the voters, they will pull benefits to save money for a new golf course. these long terms will then have no income, and will then really hit you in the pocket as they have no option but to beg or steal, so if you back the government in this, then you can look forward to car radio thefts, petrol thefts, more garden shed thefts... if you want to see where your money really is wasted, get on youtube and research a little.
lezyork1966 wrote:
"... you have long term unemployed who are just not employable even though they have skills and can get off their arses, but employess wont gamble on them and give them a jopb when there is better looking candidates.."

so if they have the skills and will get off arses then why wont employers 'gamble' on them? Being better looking is not a feasible excuse..Chris Steward is certainly not better looking fat or thin!
One of the reasons is that employers give preference to people that have very very recent experience of the job, therefore the longer you are unemployed even though you are seeking work the harder it becomes to get a job. Those who say people should have no problem getting work as they have transferable skills are out of touch with reality, employers are not interested in transferable skills they want someone who has just done the same job.
[quote][p][bold]sounds weird but[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lezyork1966[/bold] wrote: I think your all missing the big picture here, this is nothing to do with his comment I cant be bothered to address that issue.. The real issue is the governments hate mongering towards the unemployed, you have long term unemployed who are just not employable even though they have skills and can get off their arses, but employess wont gamble on them and give them a jopb when there is better looking candidates, so eventually you now have a two tier 'workforce', and one tier, becomes the longterm unemployed for reasons that are out of their control. It is this group that is a permanent stone around the governments neck, and you paypacket, what they dont tell you is how much it hits your pay packet, its a few pennys, really is. to the government its a big figure to use on the news. once they make foodbanks look acceptable to the voters, they will pull benefits to save money for a new golf course. these long terms will then have no income, and will then really hit you in the pocket as they have no option but to beg or steal, so if you back the government in this, then you can look forward to car radio thefts, petrol thefts, more garden shed thefts... if you want to see where your money really is wasted, get on youtube and research a little.[/p][/quote]lezyork1966 wrote: "... you have long term unemployed who are just not employable even though they have skills and can get off their arses, but employess wont gamble on them and give them a jopb when there is better looking candidates.." so if they have the skills and will get off arses then why wont employers 'gamble' on them? Being better looking is not a feasible excuse..Chris Steward is certainly not better looking fat or thin![/p][/quote]One of the reasons is that employers give preference to people that have very very recent experience of the job, therefore the longer you are unemployed even though you are seeking work the harder it becomes to get a job. Those who say people should have no problem getting work as they have transferable skills are out of touch with reality, employers are not interested in transferable skills they want someone who has just done the same job. PKH
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5:05pm Thu 3 Jan 13

dodgydavereturns says...

wheelyjane wrote:
Councillor Steward you should be ashamed. May I suggest you visit Carecent, talk to Besom or indeed go visit and talk with those running and accessing the food bank - then come back and tell us it is not necessary. Oh and dasreich1943 do you want to live on a tin of hotdogs and white sliced bread for a week let alone a month?
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]wheelyjane[/bold] wrote: Councillor Steward you should be ashamed. May I suggest you visit Carecent, talk to Besom or indeed go visit and talk with those running and accessing the food bank - then come back and tell us it is not necessary. Oh and dasreich1943 do you want to live on a tin of hotdogs and white sliced bread for a week let alone a month?[/p][/quote]Well said! dodgydavereturns
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5:07pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Caecilius says...

wheelyjane wrote:
Councillor Steward you should be ashamed. May I suggest you visit Carecent, talk to Besom or indeed go visit and talk with those running and accessing the food bank - then come back and tell us it is not necessary.

Oh and dasreich1943 do you want to live on a tin of hotdogs and white sliced bread for a week let alone a month?
Oh no, HE doesn't. He just thinks that poor people should - including people who've been plunged into poverty by the economic collapse caused by the greed, dishonesty and incompetence of the fat cats whose interests Coun Steward's party exists to serve.

You wouldn't really expect much sensitivity from someone who takes their user name from the Waffen SS panzer division notorious for the Oradour massacre in 1944.
[quote][p][bold]wheelyjane[/bold] wrote: Councillor Steward you should be ashamed. May I suggest you visit Carecent, talk to Besom or indeed go visit and talk with those running and accessing the food bank - then come back and tell us it is not necessary. Oh and dasreich1943 do you want to live on a tin of hotdogs and white sliced bread for a week let alone a month?[/p][/quote]Oh no, HE doesn't. He just thinks that poor people should - including people who've been plunged into poverty by the economic collapse caused by the greed, dishonesty and incompetence of the fat cats whose interests Coun Steward's party exists to serve. You wouldn't really expect much sensitivity from someone who takes their user name from the Waffen SS panzer division notorious for the Oradour massacre in 1944. Caecilius
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5:08pm Thu 3 Jan 13

dasreich1943 says...

wheelyjane, no I would not choose that diet, GIVEN THE CHOICE! If I had no choice, then it'd do because it would have to. 12 years ago I was in a situation where it really was a diet of cheap hot dogs and white bread for a while, because that's all I could afford. Are you saying that the quality of the diet available to poorer people is the issue, not that they can't actually buy any food with money? In which case, we have a different debate...
wheelyjane, no I would not choose that diet, GIVEN THE CHOICE! If I had no choice, then it'd do because it would have to. 12 years ago I was in a situation where it really was a diet of cheap hot dogs and white bread for a while, because that's all I could afford. Are you saying that the quality of the diet available to poorer people is the issue, not that they can't actually buy any food with money? In which case, we have a different debate... dasreich1943
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5:10pm Thu 3 Jan 13

E=MC^2 says...

This Tory councilor would make a good recruitment poster for the Socialist Workers Party. So long may he twitter inanely.
This Tory councilor would make a good recruitment poster for the Socialist Workers Party. So long may he twitter inanely. E=MC^2
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5:15pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Oncebitten says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Hilly rides Horses wrote:
Arguments for being rich or at least slightly better off than the majority:

You have to get to that position in the first place by either inheritance or by sheer hard work/sacrifice/savin


g up (most peoples way).

You have to maintain a well paid job and its demands for years to be in the position you have worked hard for.

The taxman takes lots of money off you at 25 and 40%.

You pay national Insurance on your PAYE contributions at 11% a lot higher to get the same benefit as self-employed paying the minimum.

You have to continue to work hard to maintain your present position with the young and ever present competition attempting to get into your position who will work for less to get a step up.

You have to pay your full amount of council tax.

You are a hate/jealousy figure from the poor and possibly also a target for theft.

Interests rates at an all-time low so savings are worth less year on year.



Arguments for being poor:

Free accommodation (ie. Rent) paid for by welfare benefits.

Council tax severely reduced and indeed some paid for by additional council tax benefits.

Household bills covered by benefits.
Free food from food banks.

Leaving plenty of cash left over for essentials like fags and booze covered out of ‘your or my’ benefits.
If you are a registered alcoholic you get further payments to cover booze.



Conclusion:

Why bother with the effort/risk/further education of trying to be a good worthwhile citizen who tries hard to be independent of the state and responsible for your own actions?


Can the last worthwhile person in the UK can you please turn off the lights as you depart!
10/10.
I do not agree with any the Councillors comments in the slightest.

I do feel The Press should remove any comments that refer to his size or eating habits.....totally out of order and not an intelligent argument!
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hilly rides Horses[/bold] wrote: Arguments for being rich or at least slightly better off than the majority: You have to get to that position in the first place by either inheritance or by sheer hard work/sacrifice/savin g up (most peoples way). You have to maintain a well paid job and its demands for years to be in the position you have worked hard for. The taxman takes lots of money off you at 25 and 40%. You pay national Insurance on your PAYE contributions at 11% a lot higher to get the same benefit as self-employed paying the minimum. You have to continue to work hard to maintain your present position with the young and ever present competition attempting to get into your position who will work for less to get a step up. You have to pay your full amount of council tax. You are a hate/jealousy figure from the poor and possibly also a target for theft. Interests rates at an all-time low so savings are worth less year on year. Arguments for being poor: Free accommodation (ie. Rent) paid for by welfare benefits. Council tax severely reduced and indeed some paid for by additional council tax benefits. Household bills covered by benefits. Free food from food banks. Leaving plenty of cash left over for essentials like fags and booze covered out of ‘your or my’ benefits. If you are a registered alcoholic you get further payments to cover booze. Conclusion: Why bother with the effort/risk/further education of trying to be a good worthwhile citizen who tries hard to be independent of the state and responsible for your own actions? Can the last worthwhile person in the UK can you please turn off the lights as you depart![/p][/quote]10/10.[/p][/quote]I do not agree with any the Councillors comments in the slightest. I do feel The Press should remove any comments that refer to his size or eating habits.....totally out of order and not an intelligent argument! Oncebitten
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5:25pm Thu 3 Jan 13

dasreich1943 says...

Caecilius, if your only "argument" against me is that my email address has the name of a German World War 2 panzer division in it, then you obviously lack debating skill! Calling yourself Caecilius, presumably after the wealthy merchant and banker from Pompeii who kept slaves, I assume doesn't mean that you would promote the virtues of slavery? Stick to the debate!
Caecilius, if your only "argument" against me is that my email address has the name of a German World War 2 panzer division in it, then you obviously lack debating skill! Calling yourself Caecilius, presumably after the wealthy merchant and banker from Pompeii who kept slaves, I assume doesn't mean that you would promote the virtues of slavery? Stick to the debate! dasreich1943
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5:46pm Thu 3 Jan 13

baldiebiker says...

Where's this food bank, I could buy more beer if I got some food for free, I only drink 2 pints a week.
Where's this food bank, I could buy more beer if I got some food for free, I only drink 2 pints a week. baldiebiker
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6:00pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Bingalingbean says...

No need for food banks?!?!?!
They literally stopped me and my son from starving, food banks give out food like cheap white bread and .39p hotdogs! And I couldn't have been more grateful. I found myself in an unfortunate situation when fleeing domestic violence and it takes some time to get your benefits up and running. I had NOTHING when I left and before I got to the refuge I needed that food to live on, so did my son! I understand the poverty cannot be compared to poverty in developing countries, but that is because if we didn't have services such as the food bank and crisis loans we would be in that same situation and it would be comparable! Luckily we look after those in need in this country!

I do not smoke/drink take drugs and anyone I know who has needed to use a food bank before doesn't either! If all your benefits are in place and you have no massive disasters like fraudulent account activity or a bank charge, or a house fire etc then there should be very little reason to go to a food bank. But very very few people use these food banks more than a few months whilst things get sorted.

I thank anyone who has donated to food banks in the past and urge anyone to consider doing it in the future, I can only speak for ladies in refuge, but when we leave we leave with NOTHING (some women and children come in their pjs with no shoes) They have no id, no proof of address and it takes a long time to get benefits etc sorted sometimes. try to have compassion for those less fortunate and hope you are never in a situation where you NEED to reach out yourself. We are not all benefit cheating, lazy women who just have loads of kids for the benefit money and use our money on fags and booze instead of food!
No need for food banks?!?!?! They literally stopped me and my son from starving, food banks give out food like cheap white bread and .39p hotdogs! And I couldn't have been more grateful. I found myself in an unfortunate situation when fleeing domestic violence and it takes some time to get your benefits up and running. I had NOTHING when I left and before I got to the refuge I needed that food to live on, so did my son! I understand the poverty cannot be compared to poverty in developing countries, but that is because if we didn't have services such as the food bank and crisis loans we would be in that same situation and it would be comparable! Luckily we look after those in need in this country! I do not smoke/drink take drugs and anyone I know who has needed to use a food bank before doesn't either! If all your benefits are in place and you have no massive disasters like fraudulent account activity or a bank charge, or a house fire etc then there should be very little reason to go to a food bank. But very very few people use these food banks more than a few months whilst things get sorted. I thank anyone who has donated to food banks in the past and urge anyone to consider doing it in the future, I can only speak for ladies in refuge, but when we leave we leave with NOTHING (some women and children come in their pjs with no shoes) They have no id, no proof of address and it takes a long time to get benefits etc sorted sometimes. try to have compassion for those less fortunate and hope you are never in a situation where you NEED to reach out yourself. We are not all benefit cheating, lazy women who just have loads of kids for the benefit money and use our money on fags and booze instead of food! Bingalingbean
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6:03pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

meme says...
4:24pm Thu 3 Jan 13
"A bit of a red herring.....as G brown was when buing votes yet busting the country doing so.. ......anyone noticed how he has disappeared off the face of the earth yet is still an elected politician presumably picking up his salary"
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To cook your red herring, Mr or Mrs Meme, may I point out that Gordon Brown is MP for Kircaldy in Scotland, and so it's hardly surprising that you do not hear much of what he does.
He is not a shadow cabinet minister, so spends his time in his constituency, currently, amongst other work, trying to save the Remploy factory that the tories are desperate to close.

I will add that Gordon Brown earned £1.3 million in two years on the so-called 'lecture circuit'.
I might also add that he has given 100% of these earnings to charity.
There, your herring is nicely cooked now. Please continue.....
meme says... 4:24pm Thu 3 Jan 13 "A bit of a red herring.....as G brown was when buing [?buying???)] votes yet busting the country doing so.. [Eh?]......anyone noticed how he has disappeared off the face of the earth yet is still an elected politician presumably picking up his salary" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ To cook your red herring, Mr or Mrs Meme, may I point out that Gordon Brown is MP for Kircaldy in Scotland, and so it's hardly surprising that you do not hear much of what he does. He is not a shadow cabinet minister, so spends his time in his constituency, currently, amongst other work, trying to save the Remploy factory that the tories are desperate to close. I will add that Gordon Brown earned £1.3 million in two years on the so-called 'lecture circuit'. I might also add that he has given 100% of these earnings to charity. There, your herring is nicely cooked now. Please continue..... Trespar Zagenstuz
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6:09pm Thu 3 Jan 13

YSTClinguist says...

Next the Tories will be putting their new scientific discovery before us:

Soylent green
Next the Tories will be putting their new scientific discovery before us: Soylent green YSTClinguist
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6:13pm Thu 3 Jan 13

bob the builder says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Chris Steward, a Conservative councillor, said living standards had surged, that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world, and that donating to them allowed recipients to spend more money on alcohol and cigarettes.

I'm sure he's absolutely right!
... spending money on tattoos, smartphones, fake tan, Sky TV, and counterfeit ugg boots, handbags etc. There are genuinely poor people but they are too proud to seek assistance and try to muddle on. This has been the case since the 1980s, we are handing out money to people who cannot manage it. Perhaps if we gave ration books instead of cash there would be an incentive to improve.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]Chris Steward, a Conservative councillor, said living standards had surged, that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world, and that donating to them allowed recipients to spend more money on alcohol and cigarettes.[/quote] I'm sure he's absolutely right![/p][/quote]... spending money on tattoos, smartphones, fake tan, Sky TV, and counterfeit ugg boots, handbags etc. There are genuinely poor people but they are too proud to seek assistance and try to muddle on. This has been the case since the 1980s, we are handing out money to people who cannot manage it. Perhaps if we gave ration books instead of cash there would be an incentive to improve. bob the builder
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6:15pm Thu 3 Jan 13

bob the builder says...

bob the builder wrote:
Sillybillies wrote:
Chris Steward, a Conservative councillor, said living standards had surged, that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world, and that donating to them allowed recipients to spend more money on alcohol and cigarettes.

I'm sure he's absolutely right!
... spending money on tattoos, smartphones, fake tan, Sky TV, and counterfeit ugg boots, handbags etc. There are genuinely poor people but they are too proud to seek assistance and try to muddle on. This has been the case since the 1980s, we are handing out money to people who cannot manage it. Perhaps if we gave ration books instead of cash there would be an incentive to improve.
.. . I missed out scratchcards, lotteries, online poker, bingo, and all other online gambling avenues!
[quote][p][bold]bob the builder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]Chris Steward, a Conservative councillor, said living standards had surged, that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world, and that donating to them allowed recipients to spend more money on alcohol and cigarettes.[/quote] I'm sure he's absolutely right![/p][/quote]... spending money on tattoos, smartphones, fake tan, Sky TV, and counterfeit ugg boots, handbags etc. There are genuinely poor people but they are too proud to seek assistance and try to muddle on. This has been the case since the 1980s, we are handing out money to people who cannot manage it. Perhaps if we gave ration books instead of cash there would be an incentive to improve.[/p][/quote].. . I missed out scratchcards, lotteries, online poker, bingo, and all other online gambling avenues! bob the builder
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6:15pm Thu 3 Jan 13

marvell says...

I see from his Twitter that Cllr Steward has agreed to go to do a shift at the food bank to see if he is correct in his assertions.

Quite fun that Look North have picked up on the story and have asked to go along as well to film him.
I see from his Twitter that Cllr Steward has agreed to go to do a shift at the food bank to see if he is correct in his assertions. Quite fun that Look North have picked up on the story and have asked to go along as well to film him. marvell
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6:25pm Thu 3 Jan 13

snugglebunny says...

Its a pity this story didn't appear on Xmas Eve.Reading these comments would have made better entertainment than appeared on the telly.
You should all do your your talking in the best way possible and thats with your vote.Any right minded,law abiding citizen would never vote Tory.I voted for Mrs T-never forgive myself.
This country lacks proper jobs-manufacturing,a
pprenticiships,inves
tment in its jewel,the people that live and breathe here.
Too much capitalism-profit seeking,class distintinction and the man that provoked this response from everyone is a prime example of where we've gone wrong.
How to rectify it-don't vote Tory but hope that the looney left don't get a strangle hold either.
What a mess where in !!
Its a pity this story didn't appear on Xmas Eve.Reading these comments would have made better entertainment than appeared on the telly. You should all do your your talking in the best way possible and thats with your vote.Any right minded,law abiding citizen would never vote Tory.I voted for Mrs T-never forgive myself. This country lacks proper jobs-manufacturing,a pprenticiships,inves tment in its jewel,the people that live and breathe here. Too much capitalism-profit seeking,class distintinction and the man that provoked this response from everyone is a prime example of where we've gone wrong. How to rectify it-don't vote Tory but hope that the looney left don't get a strangle hold either. What a mess where in !! snugglebunny
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6:26pm Thu 3 Jan 13

corfu1985 says...

If there is no poverty in the uk then why the need for breakfast clubs at schools?At least these children who eat there start the day off right & from what I am told there are no shortage of children partaking
If there is no poverty in the uk then why the need for breakfast clubs at schools?At least these children who eat there start the day off right & from what I am told there are no shortage of children partaking corfu1985
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6:36pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Trespar Zagenstuz says...

It is symptomatic of a rather sad society we live in when debates such as that we read here actually snowball into rabid attacks from one person to another, each claiming to know intimately the slice of society they criticise.
Perhaps this idiotic councilor knew the small snowball he threw would gather muck and detritus as it rolled downhill, enlarging and engorging itself on any bigotry it cared to mop up.
That 'food banks' exist at all in Britain in 2013 is jaw-dropping enough, as is the mind-numbing notion that caMoron suggests that they are a pointer to the success of his approach to improving (!) the welfare state.
But exist they do.
Why do they exist?
Their existence annoys me because despite caMoron's lauding of them as a success, they provide a yardstick of absolute failure in society.
And yet, even then, there are people here who can only judge them as exploitable freebies for scroungers.
How desperate does society have to get before people actually think as one unit and do not judge others' failings (not often of their own making; it could happen to you...) as an attack on their own personal success? Why not consider yourself lucky and fortunate that you are not desperate enough to go to a soup kitchen for your daily bread?
It is symptomatic of a rather sad society we live in when debates such as that we read here actually snowball into rabid attacks from one person to another, each claiming to know intimately the slice of society they criticise. Perhaps this idiotic councilor knew the small snowball he threw would gather muck and detritus as it rolled downhill, enlarging and engorging itself on any bigotry it cared to mop up. That 'food banks' exist at all in Britain in 2013 is jaw-dropping enough, as is the mind-numbing notion that caMoron suggests that they are a pointer to the success of his approach to improving (!) the welfare state. But exist they do. Why do they exist? Their existence annoys me because despite caMoron's lauding of them as a success, they provide a yardstick of absolute failure in society. And yet, even then, there are people here who can only judge them as exploitable freebies for scroungers. How desperate does society have to get before people actually think as one unit and do not judge others' failings (not often of their own making; it could happen to you...) as an attack on their own personal success? Why not consider yourself lucky and fortunate that you are not desperate enough to go to a soup kitchen for your daily bread? Trespar Zagenstuz
  • Score: -1

7:04pm Thu 3 Jan 13

roy_batty says...

it seems the labour party want to create a country of people dependant on welfare benefits and handouts, people who will do nothing but sit at home and watch jeremy kyle, and then hop round to the supermarket for a packet of cigarettes, 4 pack of lager a £10 mobile phone top up, and then when they check the pantry is empty go crying to the food bank for a meal .. and then be totally grateful to the labour party and vote them in so that they can totally run this country into the ground!
it seems the labour party want to create a country of people dependant on welfare benefits and handouts, people who will do nothing but sit at home and watch jeremy kyle, and then hop round to the supermarket for a packet of cigarettes, 4 pack of lager a £10 mobile phone top up, and then when they check the pantry is empty go crying to the food bank for a meal .. and then be totally grateful to the labour party and vote them in so that they can totally run this country into the ground! roy_batty
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7:19pm Thu 3 Jan 13

mickeytops says...

You Pratt how dare you, while people like you on handouts from expences have the right to say that about the needy. Enjoy it while it lasts you idiot because no one in this city will ever vote a Pratt like you again. At a time when the needy need help and you come out with a comment like that.
You Pratt how dare you, while people like you on handouts from expences have the right to say that about the needy. Enjoy it while it lasts you idiot because no one in this city will ever vote a Pratt like you again. At a time when the needy need help and you come out with a comment like that. mickeytops
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7:31pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Minsterred says...

Sadly individuals like this character just dont get to see or understand that many people may fall on hard times due to just a single piece of bad luck, relationship breakdown, bereavement, redundancy, domestic violence etc, and that a food bank really makes a difference, he really doesnt get what life can be like for some people through no fault of their own (not me but I have seen it happen) Genuinely sad that him and others like him are calling the shots at the moment.
Sadly individuals like this character just dont get to see or understand that many people may fall on hard times due to just a single piece of bad luck, relationship breakdown, bereavement, redundancy, domestic violence etc, and that a food bank really makes a difference, he really doesnt get what life can be like for some people through no fault of their own (not me but I have seen it happen) Genuinely sad that him and others like him are calling the shots at the moment. Minsterred
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7:36pm Thu 3 Jan 13

gjh says...

A Tory and a stockbroker? Being either one is bad but he has chosen to be 2 of the most despicable things anyone could be. Hopefully after the next election Mr Steward and his other caring-sharing Tory friends will be sent so far into the political wilderness that they will be pleased that food banks exist.
A Tory and a stockbroker? Being either one is bad but he has chosen to be 2 of the most despicable things anyone could be. Hopefully after the next election Mr Steward and his other caring-sharing Tory friends will be sent so far into the political wilderness that they will be pleased that food banks exist. gjh
  • Score: -1

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