Labour accused of stifling council debate

York Press: Conservative councillor Chris Steward Conservative councillor Chris Steward

YORK’S ruling cabinet is eroding respect in the council and making too many decisions behind closed doors, it has been claimed.

Conservative councillor Chris Steward said the Labour cabinet was guilty of “anti-democratic” practices and said the local authority needed to be more effective, transparent and engaging.

Labour said it followed the same requirements as other councils.

Coun Steward said an all-party group should be formed to draw up recommendations to try to improve the way the council works and to “restore the respect for the council which the cabinet has done so much to erode”.

He criticised:

• The ruling party being allowed to chair scrutiny committees and Labour imposing whip instructions on scrutiny committee members

• Agendas for meetings being published late, giving inadequate time for other parties and the public to consider them

• The number of decisions being made in private meetings instead of in public and the amount of information being kept secret

• The rearrangement and cancellation of meetings at short notice He also claimed full council meetings were flawed, with discussion “stifled”, inadequate priority for motions to debate, and not enough opportunity to question cabinet members.

Coun Steward said: “Our motion confronts Labour’s dicatatorial approach where a small number within cabinet decide everything, without respecting councillors or residents. Whipping of supposedly independent scrutinty committees is one of the greatest affronts, but too many meetings are cancelled, information is not provided to other councillors and cabinet only ‘listen’ if it knows in advance the answer.”

Coun Tracey Simpson-Laing, Labour’s deputy council leader, said: “The council follows the same legislative requirements that councils do nationwide. Cabinet member decisions taken with officers are no different to ‘officer in consultation’ meetings taken under the Liberal Democrats, which is standard practice in other councils too.

“The way meetings operate is designed to engage the public on important decisions.

“There are occasions when work requires time to complete and on these occasions meetings are postponed to save money to local taxpayers. On petitions, the cabinet considers these very carefully, and responds in a way that protects the long-term interests of York residents and the secure financial future of the council”.

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8:51am Tue 11 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Be very careful what you say on this.
@jmalexander1982 is #stillthere


It's not just council debate that's being stifled.
Be very careful what you say on this. @jmalexander1982 is #stillthere It's not just council debate that's being stifled. Buzz Light-year
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9:01am Tue 11 Dec 12

Thisisme says...

I would like to know which other Councils they are referring to who also have this shambolic decision making process?

What about the meetings they keep cancelling? How equal is the equalities group when they have not met for months as they keep cancelling it?

Answers on a press comment.......
I would like to know which other Councils they are referring to who also have this shambolic decision making process? What about the meetings they keep cancelling? How equal is the equalities group when they have not met for months as they keep cancelling it? Answers on a press comment....... Thisisme
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9:03am Tue 11 Dec 12

Oaklands Resident says...

Those of us who try to take an intelligent interest in local affairs find the approach of the present Council obstructive and arrogant.

How many decisions have been taken in private over the last 6 months compared to the record of the previous administration? I seem to recall that they were criticised for having meetings where Councillors from all parties could express a view.

Other Councils do publish agendas and reports ahead of so called “officer in consultation” type meetings. This allows residents to make representations before decisions are taken. That has gone out of the window and produced a major democratic deficit in York.

When a major report such as the one on the future of the bus services in the City is taken in private then there is something seriously wrong with the Council’s approach.

Bring back annual Council elections!
Those of us who try to take an intelligent interest in local affairs find the approach of the present Council obstructive and arrogant. How many decisions have been taken in private over the last 6 months compared to the record of the previous administration? I seem to recall that they were criticised for having meetings where Councillors from all parties could express a view. Other Councils do publish agendas and reports ahead of so called “officer in consultation” type meetings. This allows residents to make representations before decisions are taken. That has gone out of the window and produced a major democratic deficit in York. When a major report such as the one on the future of the bus services in the City is taken in private then there is something seriously wrong with the Council’s approach. Bring back annual Council elections! Oaklands Resident
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9:16am Tue 11 Dec 12

Tom6187 says...

Ooh are we allowed to comment on council issues again? Be careful what you say as James Alexander gets very precious and takes to twitter to protest about anybody exercising their right to question him. The most cringe worthy thing is his hangers on with brown tongues agreeing with his every word, it makes me sick in my mouth a little bit.
Ooh are we allowed to comment on council issues again? Be careful what you say as James Alexander gets very precious and takes to twitter to protest about anybody exercising their right to question him. The most cringe worthy thing is his hangers on with brown tongues agreeing with his every word, it makes me sick in my mouth a little bit. Tom6187
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9:23am Tue 11 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Be very careful what you say on this.
@jmalexander1982 is #stillthere


It's not just council debate that's being stifled.
"Not my destination" A K A James Alexander. making a name for himself for the wrong reasons.
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Be very careful what you say on this. @jmalexander1982 is #stillthere It's not just council debate that's being stifled.[/p][/quote]"Not my destination" A K A James Alexander. making a name for himself for the wrong reasons. capt spaulding
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9:37am Tue 11 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

I give this thread less than an hour.

Come on folks don't give him the ammo he wants.

Challenge policy and practice.
I give this thread less than an hour. Come on folks don't give him the ammo he wants. Challenge policy and practice. Buzz Light-year
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10:02am Tue 11 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

On a more serious note I think it is awful that we even have to question these practices.
Local councils are there to serve the local people and as such must be completely transparant in their methods
.
Not So with our council which is why they are having to fund so many freedom of information requests.
More expence paid for from OUR taxes.

I agree annual elections would rein in these secretive spendthrifts.
On a more serious note I think it is awful that we even have to question these practices. Local councils are there to serve the local people and as such must be completely transparant in their methods . Not So with our council which is why they are having to fund so many freedom of information requests. More expence paid for from OUR taxes. I agree annual elections would rein in these secretive spendthrifts. capt spaulding
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10:04am Tue 11 Dec 12

pedalling paul says...

Dare I mention the Clifton Green cycle lane saga.....
I've made some interesting observations since the cycle lane was removed...such as queues of right turning vehicles in the am peak often blocking entry to the LH filter and leaving it totally empty. Perversely that lets the filter lane act as a super cycle lane. The danger comes when traffic is free flowing and drivers speed downhill into the LH lane without signalling, often hoping to beat the red ahead, and directly ahead of cyclists who have just descended the offroad to on road ramp. Already happened to me a couple of times, and a very frightening experience.
Whipping that one through may yet come back to haunt Members, if heaven forbid, a corporate manslaughter case arises.
Dare I mention the Clifton Green cycle lane saga..... I've made some interesting observations since the cycle lane was removed...such as queues of right turning vehicles in the am peak often blocking entry to the LH filter and leaving it totally empty. Perversely that lets the filter lane act as a super cycle lane. The danger comes when traffic is free flowing and drivers speed downhill into the LH lane without signalling, often hoping to beat the red ahead, and directly ahead of cyclists who have just descended the offroad to on road ramp. Already happened to me a couple of times, and a very frightening experience. Whipping that one through may yet come back to haunt Members, if heaven forbid, a corporate manslaughter case arises. pedalling paul
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10:13am Tue 11 Dec 12

rat scabies says...

The Labour Party have lost my vote thru James Alexander's actions!
The Labour Party have lost my vote thru James Alexander's actions! rat scabies
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10:46am Tue 11 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Be very careful what you say on this.
@jmalexander1982 is #stillthere


It's not just council debate that's being stifled.
I wasnt carefull and it got pulled. Free speech ????????/
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Be very careful what you say on this. @jmalexander1982 is #stillthere It's not just council debate that's being stifled.[/p][/quote]I wasnt carefull and it got pulled. Free speech ????????/ capt spaulding
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10:50am Tue 11 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

capt spaulding wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
Be very careful what you say on this.
@jmalexander1982 is #stillthere


It's not just council debate that's being stifled.
I wasnt carefull and it got pulled. Free speech ????????/
It was a good joke too, nothing offensive.
[quote][p][bold]capt spaulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Be very careful what you say on this. @jmalexander1982 is #stillthere It's not just council debate that's being stifled.[/p][/quote]I wasnt carefull and it got pulled. Free speech ????????/[/p][/quote]It was a good joke too, nothing offensive. Buzz Light-year
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10:58am Tue 11 Dec 12

M.Lucas says...

The Labour Party in York have already lost one councillor due to a lack on consultation within the Party so not surprised about a cllr from another party going to the press with a story like this.

James Alexander is a young man in a hurry to get places. That's not necessarily a bad thing (and certainly he has done some good, particularly with 'modernizing' certain aspects of the City) but he does need to remember that it is dangerous to go too far too fast.

A more 'open' democracy is what a majority of people want and would be a much better lasting legacy for him than the pet projects and forcing through some good measures without taking the whole city with him.

I fear that ambition is what is behind the current lack of a long or medium term plan for York. Why worry about the next 10 to 20 years of a city when you'll (in all likelihood) be in a London seat in Parliament in the not too distant future?

I really hope Cllr Alexander thinks about leaving us with an open democracy and not a series of short-term projects. I know he is keen for the filming of Council Meetings which is a start, but he needs to change speed and bring all Cllrs and the public into the decision making process.

Time to think about another speed!
The Labour Party in York have already lost one councillor due to a lack on consultation within the Party so not surprised about a cllr from another party going to the press with a story like this. James Alexander is a young man in a hurry to get places. That's not necessarily a bad thing (and certainly he has done some good, particularly with 'modernizing' certain aspects of the City) but he does need to remember that it is dangerous to go too far too fast. A more 'open' democracy is what a majority of people want and would be a much better lasting legacy for him than the pet projects and forcing through some good measures without taking the whole city with him. I fear that ambition is what is behind the current lack of a long or medium term plan for York. Why worry about the next 10 to 20 years of a city when you'll (in all likelihood) be in a London seat in Parliament in the not too distant future? I really hope Cllr Alexander thinks about leaving us with an open democracy and not a series of short-term projects. I know he is keen for the filming of Council Meetings which is a start, but he needs to change speed and bring all Cllrs and the public into the decision making process. Time to think about another speed! M.Lucas
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11:04am Tue 11 Dec 12

Tom6187 says...

James you're just not a man of the people, you come across as arrogant and self centered, I suggest you take a look at the way you're coming across and take an even closer look at your actions and how the people are viewing your actions. It's normal place for a Conservative to come across like that but people don't want it from the Labour party.
James you're just not a man of the people, you come across as arrogant and self centered, I suggest you take a look at the way you're coming across and take an even closer look at your actions and how the people are viewing your actions. It's normal place for a Conservative to come across like that but people don't want it from the Labour party. Tom6187
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11:14am Tue 11 Dec 12

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

This debate - the one we're having at the moment on this website - has been stifled at least twice during the past hour. Pithy observations from both BL2 and myself have been mysteriously eradicated...
This debate - the one we're having at the moment on this website - has been stifled at least twice during the past hour. Pithy observations from both BL2 and myself have been mysteriously eradicated... Ignatius Lumpopo
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11:37am Tue 11 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Dare I mention the Clifton Green cycle lane saga.....
I've made some interesting observations since the cycle lane was removed...such as queues of right turning vehicles in the am peak often blocking entry to the LH filter and leaving it totally empty. Perversely that lets the filter lane act as a super cycle lane. The danger comes when traffic is free flowing and drivers speed downhill into the LH lane without signalling, often hoping to beat the red ahead, and directly ahead of cyclists who have just descended the offroad to on road ramp. Already happened to me a couple of times, and a very frightening experience.
Whipping that one through may yet come back to haunt Members, if heaven forbid, a corporate manslaughter case arises.
Please dont.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Dare I mention the Clifton Green cycle lane saga..... I've made some interesting observations since the cycle lane was removed...such as queues of right turning vehicles in the am peak often blocking entry to the LH filter and leaving it totally empty. Perversely that lets the filter lane act as a super cycle lane. The danger comes when traffic is free flowing and drivers speed downhill into the LH lane without signalling, often hoping to beat the red ahead, and directly ahead of cyclists who have just descended the offroad to on road ramp. Already happened to me a couple of times, and a very frightening experience. Whipping that one through may yet come back to haunt Members, if heaven forbid, a corporate manslaughter case arises.[/p][/quote]Please dont. capt spaulding
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11:38am Tue 11 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
capt spaulding wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
Be very careful what you say on this.
@jmalexander1982 is #stillthere


It's not just council debate that's being stifled.
I wasnt carefull and it got pulled. Free speech ????????/
It was a good joke too, nothing offensive.
What can possibly be offensive about an envelope.
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]capt spaulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Be very careful what you say on this. @jmalexander1982 is #stillthere It's not just council debate that's being stifled.[/p][/quote]I wasnt carefull and it got pulled. Free speech ????????/[/p][/quote]It was a good joke too, nothing offensive.[/p][/quote]What can possibly be offensive about an envelope. capt spaulding
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12:44pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

So York is like everywhere else is it ?

Where have I heard this before ? Oh, I know - it's what the Council claim York's decline in housing completions and planning consents are - following the same trend as those nationally. When I looked at the correct figures (not the ones officers cherry-picked) I found that York's decline was over double that of the average in the UK, measured from 2004/05 to date.

Don't believe a word they say - it's all spin, lies and cheating !
So York is like everywhere else is it ? Where have I heard this before ? Oh, I know - it's what the Council claim York's decline in housing completions and planning consents are - following the same trend as those nationally. When I looked at the correct figures (not the ones officers cherry-picked) I found that York's decline was over double that of the average in the UK, measured from 2004/05 to date. Don't believe a word they say - it's all spin, lies and cheating ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:01pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Anyone who has seen James Alexander's twitter page, will know who and what he is interested in.

This is the picture from his tweets (his priorities listed) :-

1. Himself (image and profile are everything !).
2. Labour Party Politics.
3. York's Universities and his student buddies (potential votes too).
4. Anyone visiting York who tweets, so he can send them a 'have a great time in out great city' message. (Amazing how many of these are attractive young women ? !!!).
5. Attracting firms like Hiscox to York by giving them a cheap land deal. A firm who only paid £1m tax on £125m profit in their last six months accounts ? !!!

York residents don't even get on the list.

Wonder how long this fact-based criticism will be allowed to remain ?
Anyone who has seen James Alexander's twitter page, will know who and what he is interested in. This is the picture from his tweets (his priorities listed) :- 1. Himself (image and profile are everything !). 2. Labour Party Politics. 3. York's Universities and his student buddies (potential votes too). 4. Anyone visiting York who tweets, so he can send them a 'have a great time in out great city' message. (Amazing how many of these are attractive young women ? !!!). 5. Attracting firms like Hiscox to York by giving them a cheap land deal. A firm who only paid £1m tax on £125m profit in their last six months accounts ? !!! York residents don't even get on the list. Wonder how long this fact-based criticism will be allowed to remain ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:08pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Why has no one, apart from James himself and Coun Simpson-Laing, got a good word to say about James Alexander ?
Why has no one, apart from James himself and Coun Simpson-Laing, got a good word to say about James Alexander ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:10pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982
@yorkpress @PressSteveH Reported website comments yesterday including claims woman was almost blinded just for advert in Press #stillthere


Pretty sure those comments were tongue in cheek/joking.
Showing a similar understanding of publishing as when he said The Press printing letters was "giving them credibility"

I took the trouble to sign up to Twitter so I could personally interact with the "open and accessible" council leader on that matter, only to have my profile blocked and my questions ignored.

Not just debate that's stifled.

Like rat scabies says, I wouldn't vote Labour now.
[quote]James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 @yorkpress @PressSteveH Reported website comments yesterday including claims woman was almost blinded just for advert in Press #stillthere[/quote] Pretty sure those comments were tongue in cheek/joking. Showing a similar understanding of publishing as when he said The Press printing letters was "giving them credibility" I took the trouble to sign up to Twitter so I could personally interact with the "open and accessible" council leader on that matter, only to have my profile blocked and my questions ignored. Not just debate that's stifled. Like rat scabies says, I wouldn't vote Labour now. Buzz Light-year
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1:13pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Anyone who has seen James Alexander's twitter page, will know who and what he is interested in. This is the picture from his tweets (his priorities listed) :- 1. Himself (image and profile are everything !). 2. Labour Party Politics. 3. York's Universities and his student buddies (potential votes too). 4. Anyone visiting York who tweets, so he can send them a 'have a great time in out great city' message. (Amazing how many of these are attractive young women ? !!!). 5. Attracting firms like Hiscox to York by giving them a cheap land deal. A firm who only paid £1m tax on £125m profit in their last six months accounts ? !!! York residents don't even get on the list. Wonder how long this fact-based criticism will be allowed to remain ?
Good observation, especially the "Have a great time in our great city" thing.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Anyone who has seen James Alexander's twitter page, will know who and what he is interested in. This is the picture from his tweets (his priorities listed) :- 1. Himself (image and profile are everything !). 2. Labour Party Politics. 3. York's Universities and his student buddies (potential votes too). 4. Anyone visiting York who tweets, so he can send them a 'have a great time in out great city' message. (Amazing how many of these are attractive young women ? !!!). 5. Attracting firms like Hiscox to York by giving them a cheap land deal. A firm who only paid £1m tax on £125m profit in their last six months accounts ? !!! York residents don't even get on the list. Wonder how long this fact-based criticism will be allowed to remain ?[/p][/quote]Good observation, especially the "Have a great time in our great city" thing. Buzz Light-year
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1:30pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 @yorkpress @PressSteveH Reported website comments yesterday including claims woman was almost blinded just for advert in Press #stillthere
Pretty sure those comments were tongue in cheek/joking. Showing a similar understanding of publishing as when he said The Press printing letters was "giving them credibility" I took the trouble to sign up to Twitter so I could personally interact with the "open and accessible" council leader on that matter, only to have my profile blocked and my questions ignored. Not just debate that's stifled. Like rat scabies says, I wouldn't vote Labour now.
A York resident and Labour voter, and this is the treatment he/she gets for voicing an opinion and disagreeing with Alexander - what a disgrace ? !!!!

If he (JA) doesn't like or agree with what others say, he blocks them; on twitter, on the press website, and from the councils email addreses. Freedom of speech ? Not if Alexander has his way !
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 @yorkpress @PressSteveH Reported website comments yesterday including claims woman was almost blinded just for advert in Press #stillthere[/quote] Pretty sure those comments were tongue in cheek/joking. Showing a similar understanding of publishing as when he said The Press printing letters was "giving them credibility" I took the trouble to sign up to Twitter so I could personally interact with the "open and accessible" council leader on that matter, only to have my profile blocked and my questions ignored. Not just debate that's stifled. Like rat scabies says, I wouldn't vote Labour now.[/p][/quote]A York resident and Labour voter, and this is the treatment he/she gets for voicing an opinion and disagreeing with Alexander - what a disgrace ? !!!! If he (JA) doesn't like or agree with what others say, he blocks them; on twitter, on the press website, and from the councils email addreses. Freedom of speech ? Not if Alexander has his way ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:46pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
This debate - the one we're having at the moment on this website - has been stifled at least twice during the past hour. Pithy observations from both BL2 and myself have been mysteriously eradicated...
I missed seeing these, which is a shame.

Any chance of repeating them with any offensive bits 'beeped' out ? - LOL ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: This debate - the one we're having at the moment on this website - has been stifled at least twice during the past hour. Pithy observations from both BL2 and myself have been mysteriously eradicated...[/p][/quote]I missed seeing these, which is a shame. Any chance of repeating them with any offensive bits 'beeped' out ? - LOL ;-) Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:59pm Tue 11 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

You mean like manilla envelope ?
That lasted less than an hour, I bet J A has the press no on speed dial.
You mean like manilla envelope ? That lasted less than an hour, I bet J A has the press no on speed dial. capt spaulding
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2:31pm Tue 11 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

30 mins and still on ? must be having a long lunch.
30 mins and still on ? must be having a long lunch. capt spaulding
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3:12pm Tue 11 Dec 12

York1900 says...

Can we or should we trust any of them from any party me thinks not as they all have there own agendas and most of them are not for the benefit of York people

Government only seem to want to take money out of peoples pockets at national or local level
Can we or should we trust any of them from any party me thinks not as they all have there own agendas and most of them are not for the benefit of York people Government only seem to want to take money out of peoples pockets at national or local level York1900
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3:36pm Tue 11 Dec 12

meme says...

I dont think they are finacially corrupt ie nobody takes brown envelopes but they are morally corrupt.
They seem to have forgotten they serve Yorks people, not their own ambition and their own political desires.
They can in their own eyes do no wrong and ignore all dissenting views as they are convinced they are always right so see little point in listening to others who may have a different viewpoint
They also instruct officers to provide the reports they want and cherry pick information to give them the answers they want to hear rather than provide us all with the truth
Its a great shame as they have some brains between them; they are just not used to best effect for the good of all
I dont think they are finacially corrupt ie nobody takes brown envelopes but they are morally corrupt. They seem to have forgotten they serve Yorks people, not their own ambition and their own political desires. They can in their own eyes do no wrong and ignore all dissenting views as they are convinced they are always right so see little point in listening to others who may have a different viewpoint They also instruct officers to provide the reports they want and cherry pick information to give them the answers they want to hear rather than provide us all with the truth Its a great shame as they have some brains between them; they are just not used to best effect for the good of all meme
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4:03pm Tue 11 Dec 12

rat scabies says...

With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.
With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train. rat scabies
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5:27pm Tue 11 Dec 12

truthseeker2 says...

Anyone for Pickles?
Anyone for Pickles? truthseeker2
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5:28pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Caecilius says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Dare I mention the Clifton Green cycle lane saga.....
I've made some interesting observations since the cycle lane was removed...such as queues of right turning vehicles in the am peak often blocking entry to the LH filter and leaving it totally empty. Perversely that lets the filter lane act as a super cycle lane. The danger comes when traffic is free flowing and drivers speed downhill into the LH lane without signalling, often hoping to beat the red ahead, and directly ahead of cyclists who have just descended the offroad to on road ramp. Already happened to me a couple of times, and a very frightening experience.
Whipping that one through may yet come back to haunt Members, if heaven forbid, a corporate manslaughter case arises.
As it was pointed out to Members in words of one syllable that some drivers were inevitably going to behave in exactly that fashion, and they chose to ignore the warning (and the opinion of all three emergency services, and the result of public consultation, and the professional advice of Council officers), I truly hope that they're held to account if and when someone is seriously injured, or worse.

Two car drivers went through the red light at the Water Lane exit while I was standing there this evening, incidentally, after the green man had come on. No doubt frustrated - not that it's any excuse - by the even longer tailbacks that Alexander and his minions have created on the other three roads entering the junction by the futile expedient of rigging the lights in favour of traffic emerging from Water End.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Dare I mention the Clifton Green cycle lane saga..... I've made some interesting observations since the cycle lane was removed...such as queues of right turning vehicles in the am peak often blocking entry to the LH filter and leaving it totally empty. Perversely that lets the filter lane act as a super cycle lane. The danger comes when traffic is free flowing and drivers speed downhill into the LH lane without signalling, often hoping to beat the red ahead, and directly ahead of cyclists who have just descended the offroad to on road ramp. Already happened to me a couple of times, and a very frightening experience. Whipping that one through may yet come back to haunt Members, if heaven forbid, a corporate manslaughter case arises.[/p][/quote]As it was pointed out to Members in words of one syllable that some drivers were inevitably going to behave in exactly that fashion, and they chose to ignore the warning (and the opinion of all three emergency services, and the result of public consultation, and the professional advice of Council officers), I truly hope that they're held to account if and when someone is seriously injured, or worse. Two car drivers went through the red light at the Water Lane exit while I was standing there this evening, incidentally, after the green man had come on. No doubt frustrated - not that it's any excuse - by the even longer tailbacks that Alexander and his minions have created on the other three roads entering the junction by the futile expedient of rigging the lights in favour of traffic emerging from Water End. Caecilius
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5:35pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Silver says...

In view of this topic lets look at what was decided without democratic consultation.
Union Terrace
Beckfield Lane recycling depot
Removal of bins
Some salt bins being removed.
Did I miss anything?
In view of this topic lets look at what was decided without democratic consultation. Union Terrace Beckfield Lane recycling depot Removal of bins Some salt bins being removed. Did I miss anything? Silver
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6:39pm Tue 11 Dec 12

jorvik says...

rat scabies wrote:
With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.
Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years
[quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.[/p][/quote]Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years jorvik
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6:51pm Tue 11 Dec 12

rat scabies says...

jorvik wrote:
rat scabies wrote:
With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.
Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years
Well I didn't dare mention the I word or the a.s. words because as soon You mention immigrant or asylum seeker the labour lot brand you as a bigoted racist... Fact is we have millions unemployed, we have a massive housing shortage, this wouldn't be the case if we monitored our borders and got the long term unemployed off their backsides into work... Only when we have zero unemployment and spare housing should we let people in from abroad! And as for asylum seekers, shouldn't they be seeking asylum in the first safe country they get to? They only come here because of our soft benefits system, I've lived in York 52 years, my daughter can't get a council house but a Turkish girl who lied about her situation can! Given a nice place somewhere on Heworth she was!
[quote][p][bold]jorvik[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.[/p][/quote]Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years[/p][/quote]Well I didn't dare mention the I word or the a.s. words because as soon You mention immigrant or asylum seeker the labour lot brand you as a bigoted racist... Fact is we have millions unemployed, we have a massive housing shortage, this wouldn't be the case if we monitored our borders and got the long term unemployed off their backsides into work... Only when we have zero unemployment and spare housing should we let people in from abroad! And as for asylum seekers, shouldn't they be seeking asylum in the first safe country they get to? They only come here because of our soft benefits system, I've lived in York 52 years, my daughter can't get a council house but a Turkish girl who lied about her situation can! Given a nice place somewhere on Heworth she was! rat scabies
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8:58pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Silver says...

rat scabies wrote:
jorvik wrote:
rat scabies wrote:
With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.
Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years
Well I didn't dare mention the I word or the a.s. words because as soon You mention immigrant or asylum seeker the labour lot brand you as a bigoted racist... Fact is we have millions unemployed, we have a massive housing shortage, this wouldn't be the case if we monitored our borders and got the long term unemployed off their backsides into work... Only when we have zero unemployment and spare housing should we let people in from abroad! And as for asylum seekers, shouldn't they be seeking asylum in the first safe country they get to? They only come here because of our soft benefits system, I've lived in York 52 years, my daughter can't get a council house but a Turkish girl who lied about her situation can! Given a nice place somewhere on Heworth she was!
Please drop this subject otherwise it's very likely the whole comments section will get closed off.
Not saying you don't have a right to voice your opinions but this is the first time in a while we've had a comment section where we can let the current leaders know they're not being democratic and I'd hate for the whole thread to get pulled.
[quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jorvik[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.[/p][/quote]Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years[/p][/quote]Well I didn't dare mention the I word or the a.s. words because as soon You mention immigrant or asylum seeker the labour lot brand you as a bigoted racist... Fact is we have millions unemployed, we have a massive housing shortage, this wouldn't be the case if we monitored our borders and got the long term unemployed off their backsides into work... Only when we have zero unemployment and spare housing should we let people in from abroad! And as for asylum seekers, shouldn't they be seeking asylum in the first safe country they get to? They only come here because of our soft benefits system, I've lived in York 52 years, my daughter can't get a council house but a Turkish girl who lied about her situation can! Given a nice place somewhere on Heworth she was![/p][/quote]Please drop this subject otherwise it's very likely the whole comments section will get closed off. Not saying you don't have a right to voice your opinions but this is the first time in a while we've had a comment section where we can let the current leaders know they're not being democratic and I'd hate for the whole thread to get pulled. Silver
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9:55pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

This thread seems to prove just how unpopular James Alexander is with York residents.

I can't remember any leader of the Council being as disliked and distrusted as he appears to be.
This thread seems to prove just how unpopular James Alexander is with York residents. I can't remember any leader of the Council being as disliked and distrusted as he appears to be. Scarlet Pimpernel
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10:25pm Tue 11 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

Appears to be ???????
Appears to be ??????? capt spaulding
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10:50pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Silver says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
This thread seems to prove just how unpopular James Alexander is with York residents.

I can't remember any leader of the Council being as disliked and distrusted as he appears to be.
Well any leader taking decisions without letting the public be involved would always be seen in a democratic system as unpopular. Sorry JA I'm a staunch labour supporter but in my mind you don't stand upto the ideals of what Labour means.(FYI I'm not saying Scarlet Pimpernel is JA, just hoping he reads the thread and realises how his approach to governance is not what the party is meant to be) Let us the people have a say in how our city makes decisions.
We were against Union Terrace, we were against Beckfield Lane, we could have been persuaded on the bins and salt bins had you a proper discussion. Cos there are a lot of them but we at least needed a discussion on the subject.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: This thread seems to prove just how unpopular James Alexander is with York residents. I can't remember any leader of the Council being as disliked and distrusted as he appears to be.[/p][/quote]Well any leader taking decisions without letting the public be involved would always be seen in a democratic system as unpopular. Sorry JA I'm a staunch labour supporter but in my mind you don't stand upto the ideals of what Labour means.(FYI I'm not saying Scarlet Pimpernel is JA, just hoping he reads the thread and realises how his approach to governance is not what the party is meant to be) Let us the people have a say in how our city makes decisions. We were against Union Terrace, we were against Beckfield Lane, we could have been persuaded on the bins and salt bins had you a proper discussion. Cos there are a lot of them but we at least needed a discussion on the subject. Silver
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1:06am Wed 12 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Silver,

It goes beyond the lack of consultation.

He ignores public opinion, not only by not allowing consultation, but, by also attempting to gag/block their freedom of speech. This has been a growing habit of his. He has done this in several ways; having residents emails blocked to the Council using fallacious claims of abuse, blocking people on twitter, and putting pressure on the press to disallow comments on any letter/article he is involved in.

The fact is, he isn't interested in what York people want and what is good for York and it's residents - he's only interested in, and wants what is good for him and the Labour party ! He is using York for his own ends, and it's obvious from this thread that Yorkies are onto him !
Silver, It goes beyond the lack of consultation. He ignores public opinion, not only by not allowing consultation, but, by also attempting to gag/block their freedom of speech. This has been a growing habit of his. He has done this in several ways; having residents emails blocked to the Council using fallacious claims of abuse, blocking people on twitter, and putting pressure on the press to disallow comments on any letter/article he is involved in. The fact is, he isn't interested in what York people want and what is good for York and it's residents - he's only interested in, and wants what is good for him and the Labour party ! He is using York for his own ends, and it's obvious from this thread that Yorkies are onto him ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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5:20am Wed 12 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

Ive been onto him for a while but him popping in to the Phillipine Embassy was the last straw.
Im watching his every move and reading his ridiculous tweets. Any person standing as an independant will have my full support.
Bring back annual elections.
Ive been onto him for a while but him popping in to the Phillipine Embassy was the last straw. Im watching his every move and reading his ridiculous tweets. Any person standing as an independant will have my full support. Bring back annual elections. capt spaulding
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7:27am Wed 12 Dec 12

oi oi savaloy says...

jorvik wrote:
rat scabies wrote:
With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.
Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years
i was also looking at the results and it got me thinking, is it new labours plan to destroy christianity?

Ed Miliband tweeting that he was dissapointed that it was still gonna be illigal for SSM in the CofE , isnt he jewish? and also lots of other actions that i wont go into , the damage that labour have done and the damage that the labour run council is doing in york will be catastrophic , i think York will be one big slum in less than 7 years, the council say thet are gritting, where??? i dont see any, i use a lot of roads early in the morning in outer thru to the station on a morning, no evidence of grit, rubbish everywhere, the council are taking your money and just living the good life off of it.

as for a 2 tiered minimum wage this is disgusting, my wife earns minimum wage,we get no benefits and pay full council tax, so my wife will br funding a better lifestyle for somebody in the public sector.... labour just love spending your money and this is why you will be working those extra few years after 65.
[quote][p][bold]jorvik[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.[/p][/quote]Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years[/p][/quote]i was also looking at the results and it got me thinking, is it new labours plan to destroy christianity? Ed Miliband tweeting that he was dissapointed that it was still gonna be illigal for SSM in the CofE , isnt he jewish? and also lots of other actions that i wont go into , the damage that labour have done and the damage that the labour run council is doing in york will be catastrophic , i think York will be one big slum in less than 7 years, the council say thet are gritting, where??? i dont see any, i use a lot of roads early in the morning in outer thru to the station on a morning, no evidence of grit, rubbish everywhere, the council are taking your money and just living the good life off of it. as for a 2 tiered minimum wage this is disgusting, my wife earns minimum wage,we get no benefits and pay full council tax, so my wife will br funding a better lifestyle for somebody in the public sector.... labour just love spending your money and this is why you will be working those extra few years after 65. oi oi savaloy
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9:31am Wed 12 Dec 12

M.Lucas says...

capt spaulding wrote:
Ive been onto him for a while but him popping in to the Phillipine Embassy was the last straw.
Im watching his every move and reading his ridiculous tweets. Any person standing as an independant will have my full support.
Bring back annual elections.
As another Labour voter really struggling with Cllr Alexander's leadership I too will be looking at Independents for the next election.

However I won't be voting blindly, I'll make sure that I know exactly who I'm voting for. Cllr Semlyn party turncoat of the 20s plenty campaign got voted in exactly because no one checked her out and just ticked Labour. I won't make that mistake with any Independent.

Actually in my Ward (Dringhouses) we lost a great Ward Cllr (as in doing work for the people who elected him) in the Lib Dem purge. I never voted for him but had a couple of dealings with him and he was brilliant. He wasn't high up in the Lib Dems but got voted out due to the dislike of the administration.

I was delighted when Labour took seats in my Ward, but speaking to others the new Labour Cllrs do less ward work between them than he did alone. His name was Tom Holtby/Holby I think?

I'd even consider voting for him as a Lib Dem as I know he will work hard for my Ward.

It'll be all about the people not the party they represent when I vote next time.
[quote][p][bold]capt spaulding[/bold] wrote: Ive been onto him for a while but him popping in to the Phillipine Embassy was the last straw. Im watching his every move and reading his ridiculous tweets. Any person standing as an independant will have my full support. Bring back annual elections.[/p][/quote]As another Labour voter really struggling with Cllr Alexander's leadership I too will be looking at Independents for the next election. However I won't be voting blindly, I'll make sure that I know exactly who I'm voting for. Cllr Semlyn party turncoat of the 20s plenty campaign got voted in exactly because no one checked her out and just ticked Labour. I won't make that mistake with any Independent. Actually in my Ward (Dringhouses) we lost a great Ward Cllr (as in doing work for the people who elected him) in the Lib Dem purge. I never voted for him but had a couple of dealings with him and he was brilliant. He wasn't high up in the Lib Dems but got voted out due to the dislike of the administration. I was delighted when Labour took seats in my Ward, but speaking to others the new Labour Cllrs do less ward work between them than he did alone. His name was Tom Holtby/Holby I think? I'd even consider voting for him as a Lib Dem as I know he will work hard for my Ward. It'll be all about the people not the party they represent when I vote next time. M.Lucas
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10:29am Wed 12 Dec 12

Kevin Turvey says...

‘Labour accused of stifling debate’
That’s what politics is, a big debate, not a totalitarian state!

Eventually all totalitarian regimes in history have fallen in a bloody coup, eventually!

Unfortunately a typical example of so called democracy in our locale!

It is well past time for the voting public to vote out councillors ruthlessly who do not serve the public’s interests and bring back politics to serve the public and not their other vested interests.

Local politics is for local issues for residents.

James Alexander has his eyes on a career further up the national ladder, let him go there and make the inevitable mistakes/scandal and we can all sit back and enjoy the fact that he is gone from York and not causing us his own brand of misery and enjoy his inevitable fall from grace!

I for one will enjoy watching that!

I think James Alexander should resign over this!
‘Labour accused of stifling debate’ That’s what politics is, a big debate, not a totalitarian state! Eventually all totalitarian regimes in history have fallen in a bloody coup, eventually! Unfortunately a typical example of so called democracy in our locale! It is well past time for the voting public to vote out councillors ruthlessly who do not serve the public’s interests and bring back politics to serve the public and not their other vested interests. Local politics is for local issues for residents. James Alexander has his eyes on a career further up the national ladder, let him go there and make the inevitable mistakes/scandal and we can all sit back and enjoy the fact that he is gone from York and not causing us his own brand of misery and enjoy his inevitable fall from grace! I for one will enjoy watching that! I think James Alexander should resign over this! Kevin Turvey
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11:46am Wed 12 Dec 12

jorvik says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
jorvik wrote:
rat scabies wrote:
With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.
Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years
i was also looking at the results and it got me thinking, is it new labours plan to destroy christianity?

Ed Miliband tweeting that he was dissapointed that it was still gonna be illigal for SSM in the CofE , isnt he jewish? and also lots of other actions that i wont go into , the damage that labour have done and the damage that the labour run council is doing in york will be catastrophic , i think York will be one big slum in less than 7 years, the council say thet are gritting, where??? i dont see any, i use a lot of roads early in the morning in outer thru to the station on a morning, no evidence of grit, rubbish everywhere, the council are taking your money and just living the good life off of it.

as for a 2 tiered minimum wage this is disgusting, my wife earns minimum wage,we get no benefits and pay full council tax, so my wife will br funding a better lifestyle for somebody in the public sector.... labour just love spending your money and this is why you will be working those extra few years after 65.
True,Labour have been slowly ruining the UK over the last 13years.They have been slowly shafting us with there open immigration policy(importing in future voters)They have done this by branding anyone who questions immigration as being racist or a bigot.But now we can all see what they have been up to by the latest census stats.But ask any labour member/councillor/po
litician they will stand by and defend mass immigration as a benefit to our society.Just like if you asked them if they borrowed to much they will deny it.Cllr Sonja Crisp and Cllr Alexander are only interested in the big labour picture and not us mugs who are York residents,this shows with there constant campaign to make York an asylum seeker city like Bradford/Birmingham and they don't care what York residents think.Do we not have a housing crisis York already.James Alexander you need to focus on York not your political career as I don't think it's really for you,from reading your tweets you come across as being very childish/immature/se
lf promoting,oh wait that will take you a long way in political circles.and the way you twitter with the pretty girls who post about York you come across like a sleazy cheap suit,it's embarrassing .But like labour do you will keep forcing your ideology on us all.Look at the labour run rotheram council.1 labour mp fiddles expenses 2 social workers ignore young white girls being systematically raped by gangs of Asian men mainly of Pakistani/bangledesh
i decent.3 splitting up young families because someone votes for UKIP and doesn't agree with your multiculturalism views(did we get a vote on wanting a multicultural state) after all this the sheeple of rotheram vote for more of the same.God help us(or should I say Allah)
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jorvik[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.[/p][/quote]Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years[/p][/quote]i was also looking at the results and it got me thinking, is it new labours plan to destroy christianity? Ed Miliband tweeting that he was dissapointed that it was still gonna be illigal for SSM in the CofE , isnt he jewish? and also lots of other actions that i wont go into , the damage that labour have done and the damage that the labour run council is doing in york will be catastrophic , i think York will be one big slum in less than 7 years, the council say thet are gritting, where??? i dont see any, i use a lot of roads early in the morning in outer thru to the station on a morning, no evidence of grit, rubbish everywhere, the council are taking your money and just living the good life off of it. as for a 2 tiered minimum wage this is disgusting, my wife earns minimum wage,we get no benefits and pay full council tax, so my wife will br funding a better lifestyle for somebody in the public sector.... labour just love spending your money and this is why you will be working those extra few years after 65.[/p][/quote]True,Labour have been slowly ruining the UK over the last 13years.They have been slowly shafting us with there open immigration policy(importing in future voters)They have done this by branding anyone who questions immigration as being racist or a bigot.But now we can all see what they have been up to by the latest census stats.But ask any labour member/councillor/po litician they will stand by and defend mass immigration as a benefit to our society.Just like if you asked them if they borrowed to much they will deny it.Cllr Sonja Crisp and Cllr Alexander are only interested in the big labour picture and not us mugs who are York residents,this shows with there constant campaign to make York an asylum seeker city like Bradford/Birmingham and they don't care what York residents think.Do we not have a housing crisis York already.James Alexander you need to focus on York not your political career as I don't think it's really for you,from reading your tweets you come across as being very childish/immature/se lf promoting,oh wait that will take you a long way in political circles.and the way you twitter with the pretty girls who post about York you come across like a sleazy cheap suit,it's embarrassing .But like labour do you will keep forcing your ideology on us all.Look at the labour run rotheram council.1 labour mp fiddles expenses 2 social workers ignore young white girls being systematically raped by gangs of Asian men mainly of Pakistani/bangledesh i decent.3 splitting up young families because someone votes for UKIP and doesn't agree with your multiculturalism views(did we get a vote on wanting a multicultural state) after all this the sheeple of rotheram vote for more of the same.God help us(or should I say Allah) jorvik
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12:43pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Labour councillors are evidently following this thread. Two, named in the above comments, have not tweeted for 12hrs and 23 hrs.

Just like the Arsenal fans last night, it's all gone quiet with these two because their #teamYorkLabour has taken a severe beating. Time to change their penalty takers ? LOL ;-)
Labour councillors are evidently following this thread. Two, named in the above comments, have not tweeted for 12hrs and 23 hrs. Just like the Arsenal fans last night, it's all gone quiet with these two because their #teamYorkLabour has taken a severe beating. Time to change their penalty takers ? LOL ;-) Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:48pm Wed 12 Dec 12

meme says...

Wouldn't it be great to trust our local politicians to do the best for York rather than themselves?
Wouldn't it be great to know they approached all issues with open minds?
Wouldn't it be great to hope that they dealt with things non politically and could admit that someone from a different party may occasionally have a good idea they could adopt and admit it and adopt it.
Perhaps I will wish for xmas that one of these questions comes true! or is that even a step too far for Santa
Wouldn't it be great to trust our local politicians to do the best for York rather than themselves? Wouldn't it be great to know they approached all issues with open minds? Wouldn't it be great to hope that they dealt with things non politically and could admit that someone from a different party may occasionally have a good idea they could adopt and admit it and adopt it. Perhaps I will wish for xmas that one of these questions comes true! or is that even a step too far for Santa meme
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1:14pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Kakarot Scott ‏@Matt_Outlook
At least we have @jmalexander1982 in York; a man who actually listens to residents issues and does what he can to resolve them.
Retweeted by James Alexander
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WTF?
[quote]Kakarot Scott ‏@Matt_Outlook At least we have @jmalexander1982 in York; a man who actually listens to residents issues and does what he can to resolve them. Retweeted by James Alexander Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More[/quote] WTF? Buzz Light-year
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2:34pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Kakarot Scott ‏@Matt_Outlook At least we have @jmalexander1982 in York; a man who actually listens to residents issues and does what he can to resolve them. Retweeted by James Alexander Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More
WTF?
Will someone tweet Kakarot to ask him to 'expand' ? I meant explain, not eat copious amounts of pies, BTW - LOL ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]Kakarot Scott ‏@Matt_Outlook At least we have @jmalexander1982 in York; a man who actually listens to residents issues and does what he can to resolve them. Retweeted by James Alexander Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More[/quote] WTF?[/p][/quote]Will someone tweet Kakarot to ask him to 'expand' ? I meant explain, not eat copious amounts of pies, BTW - LOL ;-) Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:40pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

meme wrote:
Wouldn't it be great to trust our local politicians to do the best for York rather than themselves? Wouldn't it be great to know they approached all issues with open minds? Wouldn't it be great to hope that they dealt with things non politically and could admit that someone from a different party may occasionally have a good idea they could adopt and admit it and adopt it. Perhaps I will wish for xmas that one of these questions comes true! or is that even a step too far for Santa
You'll be joining the flat earth society next ;-)
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: Wouldn't it be great to trust our local politicians to do the best for York rather than themselves? Wouldn't it be great to know they approached all issues with open minds? Wouldn't it be great to hope that they dealt with things non politically and could admit that someone from a different party may occasionally have a good idea they could adopt and admit it and adopt it. Perhaps I will wish for xmas that one of these questions comes true! or is that even a step too far for Santa[/p][/quote]You'll be joining the flat earth society next ;-) Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:57pm Wed 12 Dec 12

M.Lucas says...

meme wrote:
Wouldn't it be great to trust our local politicians to do the best for York rather than themselves?
Wouldn't it be great to know they approached all issues with open minds?
Wouldn't it be great to hope that they dealt with things non politically and could admit that someone from a different party may occasionally have a good idea they could adopt and admit it and adopt it.
Perhaps I will wish for xmas that one of these questions comes true! or is that even a step too far for Santa
It's got to be hard being in a party in local government, one eye always on the national party political situation. Hoping to catch the eye of national party bosses. It never used to be this bad, but with all the internet methods of communication it seems that local politicians are more willing than ever to push their profile to those higher up the chain.

It would take a pretty strong local party to stand against the national party will and career suicide for any aspiring footsoldier.

As a nearly always Labour voter it pains me to see my local party always working for the national recognition not the local people. Hoping for some better candidates next time round, but Ill be seriously looking into those who stand and what their motives are.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: Wouldn't it be great to trust our local politicians to do the best for York rather than themselves? Wouldn't it be great to know they approached all issues with open minds? Wouldn't it be great to hope that they dealt with things non politically and could admit that someone from a different party may occasionally have a good idea they could adopt and admit it and adopt it. Perhaps I will wish for xmas that one of these questions comes true! or is that even a step too far for Santa[/p][/quote]It's got to be hard being in a party in local government, one eye always on the national party political situation. Hoping to catch the eye of national party bosses. It never used to be this bad, but with all the internet methods of communication it seems that local politicians are more willing than ever to push their profile to those higher up the chain. It would take a pretty strong local party to stand against the national party will and career suicide for any aspiring footsoldier. As a nearly always Labour voter it pains me to see my local party always working for the national recognition not the local people. Hoping for some better candidates next time round, but Ill be seriously looking into those who stand and what their motives are. M.Lucas
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4:42pm Wed 12 Dec 12

meme says...

I'd probably believe the Flat Earth Society claims as more realistic rather than what presently is issued from the mouth of any politician of any colour but unfortunatly especially the local Labour group presently in power...and what's worse is I desperatly want to believe they are trying their best for the people of York but cannot given the manipulation of statistics and petty point scoring going on
I'd probably believe the Flat Earth Society claims as more realistic rather than what presently is issued from the mouth of any politician of any colour but unfortunatly especially the local Labour group presently in power...and what's worse is I desperatly want to believe they are trying their best for the people of York but cannot given the manipulation of statistics and petty point scoring going on meme
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5:01pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

York's ruling Labour group will no doubt hope that the new stadium (at Monks Cross) and Hiscox coming to the city will be vote-winners at the next election. The problem here is that both of these developments are tarnished, and largely the work of the developers behind them. The stadium needed a 'cut and shut' planning report that would not have stood up to scrutiny had there been a judicial review. This derailed the LDF which cost over £1.1m and took legions of council officers over seven years to produce. Hiscox are not only relocating many (125) staff which dilutes the jobs provided for York people, but, this company also avoids paying it's fair share of tax in this country. So it's not the coup the council claim it to be.

There have been far more faux pas (Union Terrace, Beckfield Lane tip and others) that residents will remember, and by the next elections York's housing crisis will have worsened, exposing the failure of Labour's election manifesto pledge to increase housing delivery in the city. They are becoming unelectable, thanks to the actuions of this administration.
York's ruling Labour group will no doubt hope that the new stadium (at Monks Cross) and Hiscox coming to the city will be vote-winners at the next election. The problem here is that both of these developments are tarnished, and largely the work of the developers behind them. The stadium needed a 'cut and shut' planning report that would not have stood up to scrutiny had there been a judicial review. This derailed the LDF which cost over £1.1m and took legions of council officers over seven years to produce. Hiscox are not only relocating many (125) staff which dilutes the jobs provided for York people, but, this company also avoids paying it's fair share of tax in this country. So it's not the coup the council claim it to be. There have been far more faux pas (Union Terrace, Beckfield Lane tip and others) that residents will remember, and by the next elections York's housing crisis will have worsened, exposing the failure of Labour's election manifesto pledge to increase housing delivery in the city. They are becoming unelectable, thanks to the actuions of this administration. Scarlet Pimpernel
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8:20pm Wed 12 Dec 12

inthesticks says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
jorvik wrote:
rat scabies wrote:
With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.
Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years
i was also looking at the results and it got me thinking, is it new labours plan to destroy christianity?

Ed Miliband tweeting that he was dissapointed that it was still gonna be illigal for SSM in the CofE , isnt he jewish? and also lots of other actions that i wont go into , the damage that labour have done and the damage that the labour run council is doing in york will be catastrophic , i think York will be one big slum in less than 7 years, the council say thet are gritting, where??? i dont see any, i use a lot of roads early in the morning in outer thru to the station on a morning, no evidence of grit, rubbish everywhere, the council are taking your money and just living the good life off of it.

as for a 2 tiered minimum wage this is disgusting, my wife earns minimum wage,we get no benefits and pay full council tax, so my wife will br funding a better lifestyle for somebody in the public sector.... labour just love spending your money and this is why you will be working those extra few years after 65.
Gritting comment not correct. I`m out before 6:30 almost every morning and all major routes that I use on the West of York and the A1237 are all gritted at around 4 a.m. and have been for the last few years. (i`m often awake around four and also see them go past my house.
And i`m pretty certain that Ed Miliband said he wasn`t religious, I think it was after he was elected leader of the LP. Personally I could`t care less if gay people get married, what`s worse is all the pretend Christians who just start going to church a few months before their wedding so that they can have the white wedding, then don`t go back until the 1st born is due to be Christened. Nothing against any religion if you are true to it, but come on, most people use it when it suits them, either to start a war or to salve their conscience.
As for the living wage, it wasn`t thought up by Labour. It was brought about by research from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation. The idea is that the minimum wage is not enough to lift working people out of poverty. So why is it disgusting to try to encourage businesses and public bodies to take this on board? If it helps to set a precedent then that`s a good thing for other workers in the future. People can also vote with their feet, recently there were cleaners jobs on the council web site and currently there are jobs for general assistants amongst others starting at £7.48 an hour, get your wife to have a look. I have changed jobs quite a few times, if wages are rubbish you can go elsewhere. I get no benefits and pay full council tax also but i`m happy for my tax to pay decent wages to cleaners to be honest. What a skewed view to say you are funding someone in the public sector, just because they are going to earn a pound an hour more. In one breath you are trying to defend Christianity then in the next being typically unChristian.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jorvik[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.[/p][/quote]Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years[/p][/quote]i was also looking at the results and it got me thinking, is it new labours plan to destroy christianity? Ed Miliband tweeting that he was dissapointed that it was still gonna be illigal for SSM in the CofE , isnt he jewish? and also lots of other actions that i wont go into , the damage that labour have done and the damage that the labour run council is doing in york will be catastrophic , i think York will be one big slum in less than 7 years, the council say thet are gritting, where??? i dont see any, i use a lot of roads early in the morning in outer thru to the station on a morning, no evidence of grit, rubbish everywhere, the council are taking your money and just living the good life off of it. as for a 2 tiered minimum wage this is disgusting, my wife earns minimum wage,we get no benefits and pay full council tax, so my wife will br funding a better lifestyle for somebody in the public sector.... labour just love spending your money and this is why you will be working those extra few years after 65.[/p][/quote]Gritting comment not correct. I`m out before 6:30 almost every morning and all major routes that I use on the West of York and the A1237 are all gritted at around 4 a.m. and have been for the last few years. (i`m often awake around four and also see them go past my house. And i`m pretty certain that Ed Miliband said he wasn`t religious, I think it was after he was elected leader of the LP. Personally I could`t care less if gay people get married, what`s worse is all the pretend Christians who just start going to church a few months before their wedding so that they can have the white wedding, then don`t go back until the 1st born is due to be Christened. Nothing against any religion if you are true to it, but come on, most people use it when it suits them, either to start a war or to salve their conscience. As for the living wage, it wasn`t thought up by Labour. It was brought about by research from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation. The idea is that the minimum wage is not enough to lift working people out of poverty. So why is it disgusting to try to encourage businesses and public bodies to take this on board? If it helps to set a precedent then that`s a good thing for other workers in the future. People can also vote with their feet, recently there were cleaners jobs on the council web site and currently there are jobs for general assistants amongst others starting at £7.48 an hour, get your wife to have a look. I have changed jobs quite a few times, if wages are rubbish you can go elsewhere. I get no benefits and pay full council tax also but i`m happy for my tax to pay decent wages to cleaners to be honest. What a skewed view to say you are funding someone in the public sector, just because they are going to earn a pound an hour more. In one breath you are trying to defend Christianity then in the next being typically unChristian. inthesticks
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9:27pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Thunderblade says...

As a working class bloke I was a Labour supporter for many years, but not anymore.
The local party has been infiltrated by a group of people whos only reason for being elected to office is to serve their own personal agendas, which are often against the wishes of the public. The current "Cabinet system" makes this so easy for them to ge their own way. With an overall majority, the contolling group are hardly ever challenged on policy decisions and I can't ever remember a decision being called in and reversed. The argument put forward for thes often unpopular policies are that as elected members they have the mandate of the electorate. This is often totally untrue, a a recent example of this is Semlyns pushing forward of her twentiesplenty idea, when a survey previously carried out suggested that their was not enough support for her campaign.
As a working class bloke I was a Labour supporter for many years, but not anymore. The local party has been infiltrated by a group of people whos only reason for being elected to office is to serve their own personal agendas, which are often against the wishes of the public. The current "Cabinet system" makes this so easy for them to ge their own way. With an overall majority, the contolling group are hardly ever challenged on policy decisions and I can't ever remember a decision being called in and reversed. The argument put forward for thes often unpopular policies are that as elected members they have the mandate of the electorate. This is often totally untrue, a a recent example of this is Semlyns pushing forward of her twentiesplenty idea, when a survey previously carried out suggested that their was not enough support for her campaign. Thunderblade
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10:10pm Wed 12 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

What a can of worms we have all wrapped up in a Manilla envelope.
What a can of worms we have all wrapped up in a Manilla envelope. capt spaulding
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10:30pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

I'm sure that Coun Alexander will be following this thread, in the hope that he will find defamatory posts that he can report and get the press to close it down.

What he and his inner circle will learn, is how deeply unpopular they are with the majority of York residents. I have never known so much negativity towards a council leader. It makes you wonder when those in his own group who he has upset or overuled, will make a vote of no confidence against him ?
I'm sure that Coun Alexander will be following this thread, in the hope that he will find defamatory posts that he can report and get the press to close it down. What he and his inner circle will learn, is how deeply unpopular they are with the majority of York residents. I have never known so much negativity towards a council leader. It makes you wonder when those in his own group who he has upset or overuled, will make a vote of no confidence against him ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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11:35pm Wed 12 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

I do hope so but i wont hold my breath.
I do hope so but i wont hold my breath. capt spaulding
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11:52pm Wed 12 Dec 12

oi oi savaloy says...

inthesticks wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
jorvik wrote:
rat scabies wrote:
With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.
Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years
i was also looking at the results and it got me thinking, is it new labours plan to destroy christianity?

Ed Miliband tweeting that he was dissapointed that it was still gonna be illigal for SSM in the CofE , isnt he jewish? and also lots of other actions that i wont go into , the damage that labour have done and the damage that the labour run council is doing in york will be catastrophic , i think York will be one big slum in less than 7 years, the council say thet are gritting, where??? i dont see any, i use a lot of roads early in the morning in outer thru to the station on a morning, no evidence of grit, rubbish everywhere, the council are taking your money and just living the good life off of it.

as for a 2 tiered minimum wage this is disgusting, my wife earns minimum wage,we get no benefits and pay full council tax, so my wife will br funding a better lifestyle for somebody in the public sector.... labour just love spending your money and this is why you will be working those extra few years after 65.
Gritting comment not correct. I`m out before 6:30 almost every morning and all major routes that I use on the West of York and the A1237 are all gritted at around 4 a.m. and have been for the last few years. (i`m often awake around four and also see them go past my house.
And i`m pretty certain that Ed Miliband said he wasn`t religious, I think it was after he was elected leader of the LP. Personally I could`t care less if gay people get married, what`s worse is all the pretend Christians who just start going to church a few months before their wedding so that they can have the white wedding, then don`t go back until the 1st born is due to be Christened. Nothing against any religion if you are true to it, but come on, most people use it when it suits them, either to start a war or to salve their conscience.
As for the living wage, it wasn`t thought up by Labour. It was brought about by research from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation. The idea is that the minimum wage is not enough to lift working people out of poverty. So why is it disgusting to try to encourage businesses and public bodies to take this on board? If it helps to set a precedent then that`s a good thing for other workers in the future. People can also vote with their feet, recently there were cleaners jobs on the council web site and currently there are jobs for general assistants amongst others starting at £7.48 an hour, get your wife to have a look. I have changed jobs quite a few times, if wages are rubbish you can go elsewhere. I get no benefits and pay full council tax also but i`m happy for my tax to pay decent wages to cleaners to be honest. What a skewed view to say you are funding someone in the public sector, just because they are going to earn a pound an hour more. In one breath you are trying to defend Christianity then in the next being typically unChristian.
hmm... where did i state that i was a christian in my post? and it's maybe down to my skewed vision that i dont see the gritters that you amazingly see at 4a.m.
and as for the living wage, 7;48 isnt enough in my view, how on earth is a person supposed to afford an ipad and monthy contract on that? a living wage to would be at minimum a tenner p.h. in my view ... and also lets be real about poverty,it doesnt exist in this country, all these people claiming poverty all seem to have a mobile phone, packet of fags and a brand new tracksuit from j.d. sports..
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jorvik[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.[/p][/quote]Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years[/p][/quote]i was also looking at the results and it got me thinking, is it new labours plan to destroy christianity? Ed Miliband tweeting that he was dissapointed that it was still gonna be illigal for SSM in the CofE , isnt he jewish? and also lots of other actions that i wont go into , the damage that labour have done and the damage that the labour run council is doing in york will be catastrophic , i think York will be one big slum in less than 7 years, the council say thet are gritting, where??? i dont see any, i use a lot of roads early in the morning in outer thru to the station on a morning, no evidence of grit, rubbish everywhere, the council are taking your money and just living the good life off of it. as for a 2 tiered minimum wage this is disgusting, my wife earns minimum wage,we get no benefits and pay full council tax, so my wife will br funding a better lifestyle for somebody in the public sector.... labour just love spending your money and this is why you will be working those extra few years after 65.[/p][/quote]Gritting comment not correct. I`m out before 6:30 almost every morning and all major routes that I use on the West of York and the A1237 are all gritted at around 4 a.m. and have been for the last few years. (i`m often awake around four and also see them go past my house. And i`m pretty certain that Ed Miliband said he wasn`t religious, I think it was after he was elected leader of the LP. Personally I could`t care less if gay people get married, what`s worse is all the pretend Christians who just start going to church a few months before their wedding so that they can have the white wedding, then don`t go back until the 1st born is due to be Christened. Nothing against any religion if you are true to it, but come on, most people use it when it suits them, either to start a war or to salve their conscience. As for the living wage, it wasn`t thought up by Labour. It was brought about by research from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation. The idea is that the minimum wage is not enough to lift working people out of poverty. So why is it disgusting to try to encourage businesses and public bodies to take this on board? If it helps to set a precedent then that`s a good thing for other workers in the future. People can also vote with their feet, recently there were cleaners jobs on the council web site and currently there are jobs for general assistants amongst others starting at £7.48 an hour, get your wife to have a look. I have changed jobs quite a few times, if wages are rubbish you can go elsewhere. I get no benefits and pay full council tax also but i`m happy for my tax to pay decent wages to cleaners to be honest. What a skewed view to say you are funding someone in the public sector, just because they are going to earn a pound an hour more. In one breath you are trying to defend Christianity then in the next being typically unChristian.[/p][/quote]hmm... where did i state that i was a christian in my post? and it's maybe down to my skewed vision that i dont see the gritters that you amazingly see at 4a.m. and as for the living wage, 7;48 isnt enough in my view, how on earth is a person supposed to afford an ipad and monthy contract on that? a living wage to would be at minimum a tenner p.h. in my view ... and also lets be real about poverty,it doesnt exist in this country, all these people claiming poverty all seem to have a mobile phone, packet of fags and a brand new tracksuit from j.d. sports.. oi oi savaloy
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10:19am Thu 13 Dec 12

roy_batty says...

There does seem to be a big picture forming here of the current Labour group in York, it comes across to me as a mini dictatorship with James at the helm.

I am fed up of the way things have gone in the last couple of years in this once beautiful city, it just seems to me that certain people are interested in tweeting and tourism, on my little walkabouts and on my cycle route to work i just see endless amounts of rubbish. Am having to agree on the lack of gritting during the bad weather, in the last 2 years i have seen one gritter, it went down Bootham last year, so these mythical creatures do exist, i was informed by a work colleague that he saw one last saturday in Holgate, this was just a baby gritter tho, i have yet to see this creature, was my colleague drunk?, or does Holgate have special reasons for this treatment?

I have interacted with James a couple of times on twitter and through email, but dont bother anymore as it was a waste of time, i posted some pictures on #york on twitter, one of multiple bin bags that had been there a week, he responded saying the council were taking action against inconsiderate people, the other tweet was saying it was down to the "new system"! wrong answer! what new system? been the same system for quite a while now. A lot of the fault lies with students who store the rubbish up for weeks on end and then just decide to empty the yards, other reasons are private landlords emptying houses and they dont live in the area and dont care , so out it goes....

but back to the reason of my post, i have voted Labour all my working life , first time was 1979, i will not be voting for Labour anymore!
There does seem to be a big picture forming here of the current Labour group in York, it comes across to me as a mini dictatorship with James at the helm. I am fed up of the way things have gone in the last couple of years in this once beautiful city, it just seems to me that certain people are interested in tweeting and tourism, on my little walkabouts and on my cycle route to work i just see endless amounts of rubbish. Am having to agree on the lack of gritting during the bad weather, in the last 2 years i have seen one gritter, it went down Bootham last year, so these mythical creatures do exist, i was informed by a work colleague that he saw one last saturday in Holgate, this was just a baby gritter tho, i have yet to see this creature, was my colleague drunk?, or does Holgate have special reasons for this treatment? I have interacted with James a couple of times on twitter and through email, but dont bother anymore as it was a waste of time, i posted some pictures on #york on twitter, one of multiple bin bags that had been there a week, he responded saying the council were taking action against inconsiderate people, the other tweet was saying it was down to the "new system"! wrong answer! what new system? been the same system for quite a while now. A lot of the fault lies with students who store the rubbish up for weeks on end and then just decide to empty the yards, other reasons are private landlords emptying houses and they dont live in the area and dont care , so out it goes.... but back to the reason of my post, i have voted Labour all my working life , first time was 1979, i will not be voting for Labour anymore! roy_batty
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2:11pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

roy-batty is right - there is far too much tweeting by certain councillors and officials, with much of it having little or no relevance or benefit to York and it's residents. If you factor in the dictatorial style of James Alexander, it is no surprise that previously loyal labour voters are deserting Labour in droves in York. It is looking likely that York's administration will not be under Labour control after the next elections.
roy-batty is right - there is far too much tweeting by certain councillors and officials, with much of it having little or no relevance or benefit to York and it's residents. If you factor in the dictatorial style of James Alexander, it is no surprise that previously loyal labour voters are deserting Labour in droves in York. It is looking likely that York's administration will not be under Labour control after the next elections. Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:14pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Ichabod76 says...

roy_batty says...
10:19am Thu 13 Dec 12

or does Holgate have special reasons for this treatment?


I wonder who said councillor is for this ward ???????????
roy_batty says... 10:19am Thu 13 Dec 12 or does Holgate have special reasons for this treatment? I wonder who said councillor is for this ward ??????????? Ichabod76
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4:05pm Thu 13 Dec 12

gmsgop says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Kakarot Scott ‏@Matt_Outlook At least we have @jmalexander1982 in York; a man who actually listens to residents issues and does what he can to resolve them. Retweeted by James Alexander Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More
WTF?
I retweeted this too, and you know why? because JA does reply to people, ordinary residents like me, i give him credit when credit is due - and pull to task more often - my name Gwen Swinburn - i want better local governance, many issues are inherited not current administration only issues. we need a governance commission, with non-members on to take a look at what is going wrong, look at what works elsewhere- then come up with a plan.
For my part, i try to be non-partisan, annual elections, old or adapted committiee system, webcast meetings.... but lets have a goverenace commission to do this properly.
It seems a weak form of debate and childish indeed if people name call instead of present arguments and ideas.
sad for york, we can and should do better, every citizen and every councillor can contribute to this effort.
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]Kakarot Scott ‏@Matt_Outlook At least we have @jmalexander1982 in York; a man who actually listens to residents issues and does what he can to resolve them. Retweeted by James Alexander Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More[/quote] WTF?[/p][/quote]I retweeted this too, and you know why? because JA does reply to people, ordinary residents like me, i give him credit when credit is due - and pull to task more often - my name Gwen Swinburn - i want better local governance, many issues are inherited not current administration only issues. we need a governance commission, with non-members on to take a look at what is going wrong, look at what works elsewhere- then come up with a plan. For my part, i try to be non-partisan, annual elections, old or adapted committiee system, webcast meetings.... but lets have a goverenace commission to do this properly. It seems a weak form of debate and childish indeed if people name call instead of present arguments and ideas. sad for york, we can and should do better, every citizen and every councillor can contribute to this effort. gmsgop
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5:01pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Ichabod76 says...

gmsgop wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
Kakarot Scott ‏@Matt_Outlook At least we have @jmalexander1982 in York; a man who actually listens to residents issues and does what he can to resolve them. Retweeted by James Alexander Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More
WTF?
I retweeted this too, and you know why? because JA does reply to people, ordinary residents like me, i give him credit when credit is due - and pull to task more often - my name Gwen Swinburn - i want better local governance, many issues are inherited not current administration only issues. we need a governance commission, with non-members on to take a look at what is going wrong, look at what works elsewhere- then come up with a plan.
For my part, i try to be non-partisan, annual elections, old or adapted committiee system, webcast meetings.... but lets have a goverenace commission to do this properly.
It seems a weak form of debate and childish indeed if people name call instead of present arguments and ideas.
sad for york, we can and should do better, every citizen and every councillor can contribute to this effort.
James Alexander has never replied to any of my tweets !

I post in my real name and have never been abusive or rude, he just deletes my tweets
he wont even let me follow him.

Foolishly I voted Labour last time, I wont be making that mistake again !
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]Kakarot Scott ‏@Matt_Outlook At least we have @jmalexander1982 in York; a man who actually listens to residents issues and does what he can to resolve them. Retweeted by James Alexander Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More[/quote] WTF?[/p][/quote]I retweeted this too, and you know why? because JA does reply to people, ordinary residents like me, i give him credit when credit is due - and pull to task more often - my name Gwen Swinburn - i want better local governance, many issues are inherited not current administration only issues. we need a governance commission, with non-members on to take a look at what is going wrong, look at what works elsewhere- then come up with a plan. For my part, i try to be non-partisan, annual elections, old or adapted committiee system, webcast meetings.... but lets have a goverenace commission to do this properly. It seems a weak form of debate and childish indeed if people name call instead of present arguments and ideas. sad for york, we can and should do better, every citizen and every councillor can contribute to this effort.[/p][/quote]James Alexander has never replied to any of my tweets ! I post in my real name and have never been abusive or rude, he just deletes my tweets he wont even let me follow him. Foolishly I voted Labour last time, I wont be making that mistake again ! Ichabod76
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5:53pm Thu 13 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

James Alexander is doing a fantastic job I doth my cap to him.
I cant think of any other leader of Y C Council who has ever attracted so much derision and loathing as he has with dyed in the wool labour supporters leaving in droves. Well done keep up the sterling work. Note i havent mentioned manilla envelopes........doh
.
James Alexander is doing a fantastic job I doth my cap to him. I cant think of any other leader of Y C Council who has ever attracted so much derision and loathing as he has with dyed in the wool labour supporters leaving in droves. Well done keep up the sterling work. Note i havent mentioned manilla envelopes........doh . capt spaulding
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8:46pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

gmsgop @ 4.05pm

Gwen Swinburn - an 'ordinary resident' you say ? You omit to say that you are also a 'City Governance & Economic Adviser' who regularly has conversations on twitter with James Alexander and Kersten England, which are nothing to do with your role as an 'ordinary resident'. Fess up Gwen, you are helping your mate James out here by showing some support and pretending not to hold any privileged position. Yet more manipulation and spin - what a con !
gmsgop @ 4.05pm Gwen Swinburn - an 'ordinary resident' you say ? You omit to say that you are also a 'City Governance & Economic Adviser' who regularly has conversations on twitter with James Alexander and Kersten England, which are nothing to do with your role as an 'ordinary resident'. Fess up Gwen, you are helping your mate James out here by showing some support and pretending not to hold any privileged position. Yet more manipulation and spin - what a con ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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8:51pm Thu 13 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

Not doing so good are you James ?
I would like to cordialy invite you to resign.
Not doing so good are you James ? I would like to cordialy invite you to resign. capt spaulding
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8:57pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

James Alexander‏@jmalexa
nder1982

@GSwinburn @chrisdsteward Sadly why I have blocked him. Have joined twitter to engage with the public, not to take abuse from opposition


Retweeted by Gwen Swinburn
Hand in the sweetie jar ?

So there you have it folks - JA joined twitter to engage with the public...... yeah, right !!!!!
[quote] James Alexander‏@jmalexa nder1982 @GSwinburn @chrisdsteward Sadly why I have blocked him. Have joined twitter to engage with the public, not to take abuse from opposition Retweeted by Gwen Swinburn [/quote] Hand in the sweetie jar ? So there you have it folks - JA joined twitter to engage with the public...... yeah, right !!!!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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10:02pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Hoofarted says...

I don't get it. Whats the problem here exactly?

I mean it's not as if James A has taken us almost into a treble dip recession, cut disabled peopled money, maternity allowance, tax credits, left his child in a pub alone, said "The NHS is safe with me" and then cut spending and lined up his millionaire cabinet ministers to carve it up for a sell off! He's guilty of heading a council that's struggling to balance the books under savage cuts to pay for the tory bankers total incompetent failure.

Let's keep it in focus.
I don't get it. Whats the problem here exactly? I mean it's not as if James A has taken us almost into a treble dip recession, cut disabled peopled money, maternity allowance, tax credits, left his child in a pub alone, said "The NHS is safe with me" and then cut spending and lined up his millionaire cabinet ministers to carve it up for a sell off! He's guilty of heading a council that's struggling to balance the books under savage cuts to pay for the tory bankers total incompetent failure. Let's keep it in focus. Hoofarted
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10:22pm Thu 13 Dec 12

oi oi savaloy says...

Hoofarted wrote:
I don't get it. Whats the problem here exactly?

I mean it's not as if James A has taken us almost into a treble dip recession, cut disabled peopled money, maternity allowance, tax credits, left his child in a pub alone, said "The NHS is safe with me" and then cut spending and lined up his millionaire cabinet ministers to carve it up for a sell off! He's guilty of heading a council that's struggling to balance the books under savage cuts to pay for the tory bankers total incompetent failure.

Let's keep it in focus.
dont see a problem with the NHS as it is, seems to be working fine, also nearly got run over today in davygate by a disabled person who was aggresivley parking his 4x4 BMW (what ever happened to the little blue things)

check this out bud

http://order-order.c
om/2012/12/12/labour
-taxed-poor-more-and
-rich-less-than-coal
ition/
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: I don't get it. Whats the problem here exactly? I mean it's not as if James A has taken us almost into a treble dip recession, cut disabled peopled money, maternity allowance, tax credits, left his child in a pub alone, said "The NHS is safe with me" and then cut spending and lined up his millionaire cabinet ministers to carve it up for a sell off! He's guilty of heading a council that's struggling to balance the books under savage cuts to pay for the tory bankers total incompetent failure. Let's keep it in focus.[/p][/quote]dont see a problem with the NHS as it is, seems to be working fine, also nearly got run over today in davygate by a disabled person who was aggresivley parking his 4x4 BMW (what ever happened to the little blue things) check this out bud http://order-order.c om/2012/12/12/labour -taxed-poor-more-and -rich-less-than-coal ition/ oi oi savaloy
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12:21am Fri 14 Dec 12

gmsgop says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
gmsgop @ 4.05pm

Gwen Swinburn - an 'ordinary resident' you say ? You omit to say that you are also a 'City Governance & Economic Adviser' who regularly has conversations on twitter with James Alexander and Kersten England, which are nothing to do with your role as an 'ordinary resident'. Fess up Gwen, you are helping your mate James out here by showing some support and pretending not to hold any privileged position. Yet more manipulation and spin - what a con !
Whomever you are- I hold no privileged position- I have some understanding and knowledge that I have shared with quite a few staff and all parties. If truth be known I suspect all would much rather I wasn't around, I challenge them hard and endlessly for the good of the city.

I am as an ordinary citizen, doing my best to improve governance and economic development work from the outside, for nothing, with no political bias, and with no thanks! So if I knew your name I would really love a conversation, because I have no axe to grind, I'll work with anyone to get the city in a better position. Thank you for your usual perspective, very sad.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: gmsgop @ 4.05pm Gwen Swinburn - an 'ordinary resident' you say ? You omit to say that you are also a 'City Governance & Economic Adviser' who regularly has conversations on twitter with James Alexander and Kersten England, which are nothing to do with your role as an 'ordinary resident'. Fess up Gwen, you are helping your mate James out here by showing some support and pretending not to hold any privileged position. Yet more manipulation and spin - what a con ![/p][/quote]Whomever you are- I hold no privileged position- I have some understanding and knowledge that I have shared with quite a few staff and all parties. If truth be known I suspect all would much rather I wasn't around, I challenge them hard and endlessly for the good of the city. I am as an ordinary citizen, doing my best to improve governance and economic development work from the outside, for nothing, with no political bias, and with no thanks! So if I knew your name I would really love a conversation, because I have no axe to grind, I'll work with anyone to get the city in a better position. Thank you for your usual perspective, very sad. gmsgop
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1:42am Fri 14 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Gwen, you defended James Alexander on the basis that he engages with you, but, that does not excuse him for ignoring those who do not have the, shall we say, influence/status, that you have. You are far from an 'ordinary resident', and have advantages over most residents who can truly claim to be ordinary, and this is why Coun Alexander and the many other councillors and council officials do not ignore you. I have observed Coun Alexander's discriminatory selection of those he will engage with, and these exclude those who's opinions and views do not align with his. He has demonstrated that he will use various means to silence his detractors; blocking emails, tweets, and press comments, and this is inexcusible. Please stop defending the indefensible, Gwen, and instead use you expertise in governance, and influence to persuade him to refrain from gagging 'ordinary' residents. It may not win back the votes he has lost, but, might stop the otherwise inevitable vote of no confidence that is heading his way !

BTW, if you want to know who I am, ask James - he knows ;-)
Gwen, you defended James Alexander on the basis that he engages with you, but, that does not excuse him for ignoring those who do not have the, shall we say, influence/status, that you have. You are far from an 'ordinary resident', and have advantages over most residents who can truly claim to be ordinary, and this is why Coun Alexander and the many other councillors and council officials do not ignore you. I have observed Coun Alexander's discriminatory selection of those he will engage with, and these exclude those who's opinions and views do not align with his. He has demonstrated that he will use various means to silence his detractors; blocking emails, tweets, and press comments, and this is inexcusible. Please stop defending the indefensible, Gwen, and instead use you expertise in governance, and influence to persuade him to refrain from gagging 'ordinary' residents. It may not win back the votes he has lost, but, might stop the otherwise inevitable vote of no confidence that is heading his way ! BTW, if you want to know who I am, ask James - he knows ;-) Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:58am Fri 14 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Unlike Gwen, I do have an axe to grind. I have two beefs; (1) The Councils decimation of private housebuilding in the city, and (2) The continual refusal of the council, including several key councillors and officials, to acknowledge the problems their policies have caused, and to listen to or consider, the informed, insightful views and suggestions of those who have been affected by these policies.

Why then, you will no doubt ask, am I criticising Coun Alexander ? Because, he and his most senior Labour cabinet members have treated our groups representations, with complete and utter contempt. He has sought to marginalise and discredit us for our entirely valid analysis of where the blame for most of York's housing mess stems from - the 50% affordable housing policy, which for almost six years killed off housebuilding, resulting in lost jobs, business closures and hundreds of millions lost revenue to York's economy.
Unlike Gwen, I do have an axe to grind. I have two beefs; (1) The Councils decimation of private housebuilding in the city, and (2) The continual refusal of the council, including several key councillors and officials, to acknowledge the problems their policies have caused, and to listen to or consider, the informed, insightful views and suggestions of those who have been affected by these policies. Why then, you will no doubt ask, am I criticising Coun Alexander ? Because, he and his most senior Labour cabinet members have treated our groups representations, with complete and utter contempt. He has sought to marginalise and discredit us for our entirely valid analysis of where the blame for most of York's housing mess stems from - the 50% affordable housing policy, which for almost six years killed off housebuilding, resulting in lost jobs, business closures and hundreds of millions lost revenue to York's economy. Scarlet Pimpernel
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7:30am Fri 14 Dec 12

rat scabies says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Unlike Gwen, I do have an axe to grind. I have two beefs; (1) The Councils decimation of private housebuilding in the city, and (2) The continual refusal of the council, including several key councillors and officials, to acknowledge the problems their policies have caused, and to listen to or consider, the informed, insightful views and suggestions of those who have been affected by these policies.

Why then, you will no doubt ask, am I criticising Coun Alexander ? Because, he and his most senior Labour cabinet members have treated our groups representations, with complete and utter contempt. He has sought to marginalise and discredit us for our entirely valid analysis of where the blame for most of York's housing mess stems from - the 50% affordable housing policy, which for almost six years killed off housebuilding, resulting in lost jobs, business closures and hundreds of millions lost revenue to York's economy.
Well said! Looks like JA has been told off for tweeting ! He doesn't seem too understand its the AMOUNT of tweets that gets people's backs up and the selective tweeting as well! If I sat at work tweeting every minute I would get the sack!! Twitter and Facebook is banned in most private companies .
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Unlike Gwen, I do have an axe to grind. I have two beefs; (1) The Councils decimation of private housebuilding in the city, and (2) The continual refusal of the council, including several key councillors and officials, to acknowledge the problems their policies have caused, and to listen to or consider, the informed, insightful views and suggestions of those who have been affected by these policies. Why then, you will no doubt ask, am I criticising Coun Alexander ? Because, he and his most senior Labour cabinet members have treated our groups representations, with complete and utter contempt. He has sought to marginalise and discredit us for our entirely valid analysis of where the blame for most of York's housing mess stems from - the 50% affordable housing policy, which for almost six years killed off housebuilding, resulting in lost jobs, business closures and hundreds of millions lost revenue to York's economy.[/p][/quote]Well said! Looks like JA has been told off for tweeting ! He doesn't seem too understand its the AMOUNT of tweets that gets people's backs up and the selective tweeting as well! If I sat at work tweeting every minute I would get the sack!! Twitter and Facebook is banned in most private companies . rat scabies
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8:01am Fri 14 Dec 12

Theapplesarecoming says...

Do you honestly think James Alexander spends his time ringing up the press to delete comments and checking his twitter and social sites etc

No no I reckon there's someone employed on taxpayers money to spend all day deleting and reporting anything he doesn't like probably for 30k

I may be wrong but councils are quite easy to figure out nowadays
Do you honestly think James Alexander spends his time ringing up the press to delete comments and checking his twitter and social sites etc No no I reckon there's someone employed on taxpayers money to spend all day deleting and reporting anything he doesn't like probably for 30k I may be wrong but councils are quite easy to figure out nowadays Theapplesarecoming
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8:31am Fri 14 Dec 12

rat scabies says...

Theapplesarecoming wrote:
Do you honestly think James Alexander spends his time ringing up the press to delete comments and checking his twitter and social sites etc No no I reckon there's someone employed on taxpayers money to spend all day deleting and reporting anything he doesn't like probably for 30k I may be wrong but councils are quite easy to figure out nowadays
Er not ringing them no, but it was plain to see he spends his days twittering , the amount of tweets and the fact when the censoring started he was tweeting screenshots and tweeting @yorkpress and someone from the press, and another fact is his iPad is a permanent fixture to his hand
[quote][p][bold]Theapplesarecoming[/bold] wrote: Do you honestly think James Alexander spends his time ringing up the press to delete comments and checking his twitter and social sites etc No no I reckon there's someone employed on taxpayers money to spend all day deleting and reporting anything he doesn't like probably for 30k I may be wrong but councils are quite easy to figure out nowadays[/p][/quote]Er not ringing them no, but it was plain to see he spends his days twittering , the amount of tweets and the fact when the censoring started he was tweeting screenshots and tweeting @yorkpress and someone from the press, and another fact is his iPad is a permanent fixture to his hand rat scabies
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8:33am Fri 14 Dec 12

rat scabies says...

Theapplesarecoming wrote:
Do you honestly think James Alexander spends his time ringing up the press to delete comments and checking his twitter and social sites etc No no I reckon there's someone employed on taxpayers money to spend all day deleting and reporting anything he doesn't like probably for 30k I may be wrong but councils are quite easy to figure out nowadays
And don't forget the "report this post" function
[quote][p][bold]Theapplesarecoming[/bold] wrote: Do you honestly think James Alexander spends his time ringing up the press to delete comments and checking his twitter and social sites etc No no I reckon there's someone employed on taxpayers money to spend all day deleting and reporting anything he doesn't like probably for 30k I may be wrong but councils are quite easy to figure out nowadays[/p][/quote]And don't forget the "report this post" function rat scabies
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9:45am Fri 14 Dec 12

M.Lucas says...

Just to say I joined twitter yesterday and asked Cllr Alexander a couple of questions this morning and received very honest and swift responses.

He even mentioned a couple of things that I'd brought up on the Press comments which was good.

I've criticised as much as anyone on this, but really impressed this morning. I asked politely and fairly and he was the same back.

My experience of asking him questions on twitter is nothing but positive.

I hope it will continue
Just to say I joined twitter yesterday and asked Cllr Alexander a couple of questions this morning and received very honest and swift responses. He even mentioned a couple of things that I'd brought up on the Press comments which was good. I've criticised as much as anyone on this, but really impressed this morning. I asked politely and fairly and he was the same back. My experience of asking him questions on twitter is nothing but positive. I hope it will continue M.Lucas
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9:46am Fri 14 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

I think the vote of no confidence has allready gone ahead by the electorate.

I imagine todays tweet will be
"Infamy infamy theyve all got it in forme"
I think the vote of no confidence has allready gone ahead by the electorate. I imagine todays tweet will be "Infamy infamy theyve all got it in forme" capt spaulding
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10:59am Fri 14 Dec 12

jorvik says...

Jackie thompson@jackie8506
@jmalexander1982 I don't like politics so don't keep up to date but since following your tweets I'm taking an interest, please don't stop!

When you see old boots tweeting tripe like this it makes me want to throw up
Jackie thompson@jackie8506 @jmalexander1982 I don't like politics so don't keep up to date but since following your tweets I'm taking an interest, please don't stop! When you see old boots tweeting tripe like this it makes me want to throw up jorvik
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11:05am Fri 14 Dec 12

Hoofarted says...

I see Scarletpimpy is still ranting on these forums. Fear not Gmspop.. It wasn't long ago since Pimpy claimed i was Mr Alexanders girlfriend. The paranoia rages fiercely on here and with such small input too. Without Angry Pimpys multiple posts, this forum would be almost empty.

Let's look at some stats:

Capt spaulding 14 posts!

Scarlet Pimp 17 posts!

M Lucas posts 4 posts!

Buz light year 6 posts!

Rat scabies 6 posts!

oi oi savaloy 3 posts!

Total posts 77 !

The Multiple post rant winner is...... ;-)

I'm Sure James will sleep at night knowing the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual that seems obsessed on claiming anyone opposed to his views is either on the council or in bed with the leader.
I see Scarletpimpy is still ranting on these forums. Fear not Gmspop.. It wasn't long ago since Pimpy claimed i was Mr Alexanders girlfriend. The paranoia rages fiercely on here and with such small input too. Without Angry Pimpys multiple posts, this forum would be almost empty. Let's look at some stats: Capt spaulding 14 posts! Scarlet Pimp 17 posts! M Lucas posts 4 posts! Buz light year 6 posts! Rat scabies 6 posts! oi oi savaloy 3 posts! Total posts 77 ! The Multiple post rant winner is...... ;-) I'm Sure James will sleep at night knowing the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual that seems obsessed on claiming anyone opposed to his views is either on the council or in bed with the leader. Hoofarted
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11:36am Fri 14 Dec 12

M.Lucas says...

Hoofarted wrote:
I see Scarletpimpy is still ranting on these forums. Fear not Gmspop.. It wasn't long ago since Pimpy claimed i was Mr Alexanders girlfriend. The paranoia rages fiercely on here and with such small input too. Without Angry Pimpys multiple posts, this forum would be almost empty.

Let's look at some stats:

Capt spaulding 14 posts!

Scarlet Pimp 17 posts!

M Lucas posts 4 posts!

Buz light year 6 posts!

Rat scabies 6 posts!

oi oi savaloy 3 posts!

Total posts 77 !

The Multiple post rant winner is...... ;-)

I'm Sure James will sleep at night knowing the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual that seems obsessed on claiming anyone opposed to his views is either on the council or in bed with the leader.
Sorry. This is my only user name, in my name.

I have no idea who is behind the other posts and a few of my posts are responses to other people's comments, hence more than one comment. I thought that interaction was the point of a thread like this?

Really find it quite insulting that you suggest such a thing when you have made no attempt to interact with me personally and I have (to my recollection) ever said anything about you.

Grouping all these users together suggests your own paranoia and it is hypocritical too considering you hide behind a pseudonym so could have multiple accounts as well.

You clearly haven't bothered to read my posts, particularly the last one.

While I agree some comments on here are unnecessarily aggressive to disparage so many users when you clearly haven't bothered checking makes you no better than them (whether one of many 'real' people).

I await an apology.
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: I see Scarletpimpy is still ranting on these forums. Fear not Gmspop.. It wasn't long ago since Pimpy claimed i was Mr Alexanders girlfriend. The paranoia rages fiercely on here and with such small input too. Without Angry Pimpys multiple posts, this forum would be almost empty. Let's look at some stats: Capt spaulding 14 posts! Scarlet Pimp 17 posts! M Lucas posts 4 posts! Buz light year 6 posts! Rat scabies 6 posts! oi oi savaloy 3 posts! Total posts 77 ! The Multiple post rant winner is...... ;-) I'm Sure James will sleep at night knowing the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual that seems obsessed on claiming anyone opposed to his views is either on the council or in bed with the leader.[/p][/quote]Sorry. This is my only user name, in my name. I have no idea who is behind the other posts and a few of my posts are responses to other people's comments, hence more than one comment. I thought that interaction was the point of a thread like this? Really find it quite insulting that you suggest such a thing when you have made no attempt to interact with me personally and I have (to my recollection) ever said anything about you. Grouping all these users together suggests your own paranoia and it is hypocritical too considering you hide behind a pseudonym so could have multiple accounts as well. You clearly haven't bothered to read my posts, particularly the last one. While I agree some comments on here are unnecessarily aggressive to disparage so many users when you clearly haven't bothered checking makes you no better than them (whether one of many 'real' people). I await an apology. M.Lucas
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11:57am Fri 14 Dec 12

Hoofarted says...

Dear Mr or Miss or Mrs Lucas. I am not suggesting the list of multiple posters are all the same person. It was just a bit of irony and pointing out who submits the most rants (posts) on here.

Please don't take it personally. I merely used your multiple posts in the data collection as an example.
Dear Mr or Miss or Mrs Lucas. I am not suggesting the list of multiple posters are all the same person. It was just a bit of irony and pointing out who submits the most rants (posts) on here. Please don't take it personally. I merely used your multiple posts in the data collection as an example. Hoofarted
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12:04pm Fri 14 Dec 12

M.Lucas says...

Hoofarted wrote:
Dear Mr or Miss or Mrs Lucas. I am not suggesting the list of multiple posters are all the same person. It was just a bit of irony and pointing out who submits the most rants (posts) on here.

Please don't take it personally. I merely used your multiple posts in the data collection as an example.
Actually you listed 44 posts under different names and then followed up with "...the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual" so it was exactly what you were suggesting.

However as this little exchange is not at all constructive let's end it there shall we.

Oh, and it's Mr, how about you?
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Dear Mr or Miss or Mrs Lucas. I am not suggesting the list of multiple posters are all the same person. It was just a bit of irony and pointing out who submits the most rants (posts) on here. Please don't take it personally. I merely used your multiple posts in the data collection as an example.[/p][/quote]Actually you listed 44 posts under different names and then followed up with "...the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual" so it was exactly what you were suggesting. However as this little exchange is not at all constructive let's end it there shall we. Oh, and it's Mr, how about you? M.Lucas
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12:09pm Fri 14 Dec 12

Hoofarted says...

Yes you are indeed correct. The Vast majority of opposition comes from the 17 posts of one paranoid individual.

(Check list i posted again)

Let's not not pick.
Yes you are indeed correct. The Vast majority of opposition comes from the 17 posts of one paranoid individual. (Check list i posted again) Let's not not pick. Hoofarted
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12:29pm Fri 14 Dec 12

M.Lucas says...

Hoofarted wrote:
Yes you are indeed correct. The Vast majority of opposition comes from the 17 posts of one paranoid individual.

(Check list i posted again)

Let's not not pick.
I apologise if I misunderstood your post, however 17 out of 77 is not the vast majority of posts where as 44 would be, hence to potential for misunderstanding.
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Yes you are indeed correct. The Vast majority of opposition comes from the 17 posts of one paranoid individual. (Check list i posted again) Let's not not pick.[/p][/quote]I apologise if I misunderstood your post, however 17 out of 77 is not the vast majority of posts where as 44 would be, hence to potential for misunderstanding. M.Lucas
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1:26pm Fri 14 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Hoofarted wrote:
Yes you are indeed correct. The Vast majority of opposition comes from the 17 posts of one paranoid individual. (Check list i posted again) Let's not not pick.
Paranoid ?

I think not.

I back up my posts often with hard facts, none of which are chakllenged, proving they are entirely valid, pertinent and relevant. Unlike your wild, unsubstantiated accusations which are transparent - you are a Labour stooge or council officer trying to deflect readers away from the truth - the fact is James Alexander is guilty of numerous failings that have got York residents and Labour voters backs up. Don't let the facts get in the way of your foolish vendetta aimed at discrediting me. I post under one name only, and it is offensive to all the others you allege are me or my associates, they are not.
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Yes you are indeed correct. The Vast majority of opposition comes from the 17 posts of one paranoid individual. (Check list i posted again) Let's not not pick.[/p][/quote]Paranoid ? I think not. I back up my posts often with hard facts, none of which are chakllenged, proving they are entirely valid, pertinent and relevant. Unlike your wild, unsubstantiated accusations which are transparent - you are a Labour stooge or council officer trying to deflect readers away from the truth - the fact is James Alexander is guilty of numerous failings that have got York residents and Labour voters backs up. Don't let the facts get in the way of your foolish vendetta aimed at discrediting me. I post under one name only, and it is offensive to all the others you allege are me or my associates, they are not. Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:44pm Fri 14 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Hoofarted wrote:
I see Scarletpimpy is still ranting on these forums. Fear not Gmspop.. It wasn't long ago since Pimpy claimed i was Mr Alexanders girlfriend. The paranoia rages fiercely on here and with such small input too. Without Angry Pimpys multiple posts, this forum would be almost empty. Let's look at some stats: Capt spaulding 14 posts! Scarlet Pimp 17 posts! M Lucas posts 4 posts! Buz light year 6 posts! Rat scabies 6 posts! oi oi savaloy 3 posts! Total posts 77 ! The Multiple post rant winner is...... ;-) I'm Sure James will sleep at night knowing the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual that seems obsessed on claiming anyone opposed to his views is either on the council or in bed with the leader.
Wrong again, the vast majority of posters are against James Alexander. It's posters, not posts that count. Count the number of posters who criticise James Alexander, and the number who try to defend him. The result is....... ???

Come on 'Hoofarted' who are you ? Fess up like James pal, Gwen Swinburn did. Good old Gwen, who has now gone quiet when her cover was blown.

Where are all James's supporters singing his praises ? Very few are in a hurry to be associated with him, indicating again his dwindly popularity, even in his own party. #Alexanderisafailure ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: I see Scarletpimpy is still ranting on these forums. Fear not Gmspop.. It wasn't long ago since Pimpy claimed i was Mr Alexanders girlfriend. The paranoia rages fiercely on here and with such small input too. Without Angry Pimpys multiple posts, this forum would be almost empty. Let's look at some stats: Capt spaulding 14 posts! Scarlet Pimp 17 posts! M Lucas posts 4 posts! Buz light year 6 posts! Rat scabies 6 posts! oi oi savaloy 3 posts! Total posts 77 ! The Multiple post rant winner is...... ;-) I'm Sure James will sleep at night knowing the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual that seems obsessed on claiming anyone opposed to his views is either on the council or in bed with the leader.[/p][/quote]Wrong again, the vast majority of posters are against James Alexander. It's posters, not posts that count. Count the number of posters who criticise James Alexander, and the number who try to defend him. The result is....... ??? Come on 'Hoofarted' who are you ? Fess up like James pal, Gwen Swinburn did. Good old Gwen, who has now gone quiet when her cover was blown. Where are all James's supporters singing his praises ? Very few are in a hurry to be associated with him, indicating again his dwindly popularity, even in his own party. #Alexanderisafailure ;-) Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:39pm Fri 14 Dec 12

nowthen says...

Getting back to the original article this is interesting: https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/news/town-
hall-doors-unlocked-
to-social-media-and-
bloggers as is this : http://www.legislati
on.gov.uk/uksi/2012/
2089/made It takes some chewing through but looks as though the public can film and tweet in council meetings to their hearts content.
Getting back to the original article this is interesting: https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/news/town- hall-doors-unlocked- to-social-media-and- bloggers as is this : http://www.legislati on.gov.uk/uksi/2012/ 2089/made It takes some chewing through but looks as though the public can film and tweet in council meetings to their hearts content. nowthen
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2:43pm Fri 14 Dec 12

nowthen says...

http://www.legislati
on.gov.uk/uksi/2012/
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3:28pm Fri 14 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

The letters page makes for interesting reading today.
Doesn't make for interesting discussion though as anything vaguely related to the council is closed to comment.

Now what's the headline here again?
Something about stifling debate or something.

Oh yeah, we can't comment on gmsgop's letter either.
The letters page makes for interesting reading today. Doesn't make for interesting discussion though as anything vaguely related to the council is closed to comment. Now what's the headline here again? Something about stifling debate or something. Oh yeah, we can't comment on gmsgop's letter either. Buzz Light-year
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3:43pm Fri 14 Dec 12

inthesticks says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
jorvik wrote:
rat scabies wrote:
With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.
Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years
i was also looking at the results and it got me thinking, is it new labours plan to destroy christianity?

Ed Miliband tweeting that he was dissapointed that it was still gonna be illigal for SSM in the CofE , isnt he jewish? and also lots of other actions that i wont go into , the damage that labour have done and the damage that the labour run council is doing in york will be catastrophic , i think York will be one big slum in less than 7 years, the council say thet are gritting, where??? i dont see any, i use a lot of roads early in the morning in outer thru to the station on a morning, no evidence of grit, rubbish everywhere, the council are taking your money and just living the good life off of it.

as for a 2 tiered minimum wage this is disgusting, my wife earns minimum wage,we get no benefits and pay full council tax, so my wife will br funding a better lifestyle for somebody in the public sector.... labour just love spending your money and this is why you will be working those extra few years after 65.
Gritting comment not correct. I`m out before 6:30 almost every morning and all major routes that I use on the West of York and the A1237 are all gritted at around 4 a.m. and have been for the last few years. (i`m often awake around four and also see them go past my house.
And i`m pretty certain that Ed Miliband said he wasn`t religious, I think it was after he was elected leader of the LP. Personally I could`t care less if gay people get married, what`s worse is all the pretend Christians who just start going to church a few months before their wedding so that they can have the white wedding, then don`t go back until the 1st born is due to be Christened. Nothing against any religion if you are true to it, but come on, most people use it when it suits them, either to start a war or to salve their conscience.
As for the living wage, it wasn`t thought up by Labour. It was brought about by research from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation. The idea is that the minimum wage is not enough to lift working people out of poverty. So why is it disgusting to try to encourage businesses and public bodies to take this on board? If it helps to set a precedent then that`s a good thing for other workers in the future. People can also vote with their feet, recently there were cleaners jobs on the council web site and currently there are jobs for general assistants amongst others starting at £7.48 an hour, get your wife to have a look. I have changed jobs quite a few times, if wages are rubbish you can go elsewhere. I get no benefits and pay full council tax also but i`m happy for my tax to pay decent wages to cleaners to be honest. What a skewed view to say you are funding someone in the public sector, just because they are going to earn a pound an hour more. In one breath you are trying to defend Christianity then in the next being typically unChristian.
hmm... where did i state that i was a christian in my post? and it's maybe down to my skewed vision that i dont see the gritters that you amazingly see at 4a.m.
and as for the living wage, 7;48 isnt enough in my view, how on earth is a person supposed to afford an ipad and monthy contract on that? a living wage to would be at minimum a tenner p.h. in my view ... and also lets be real about poverty,it doesnt exist in this country, all these people claiming poverty all seem to have a mobile phone, packet of fags and a brand new tracksuit from j.d. sports..
Apologies for assuming you were a Christian, never a nice thing to be accused of, but I think EM being Jewish (his ancestors were) has nothing to do with being disappointed at a decision made by the established church in England. He can have a view on Christianity whether he has no faith or if he is Jewish.
Maybe I am lucky in that I live on a major route and my road is gritted every morning and evening in freezing weather, but there`s nothing `amazing` about it, it actually happens so I was merely correcting something you stated which I think is wrong.
And your comments about poverty don`t warrant an answer so I wont give one.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jorvik[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: With the results of the census now public , it's plain to see that labour have ruined this country ... And it's plain to see that over the last 18 months York as suffered , and if the council carry on as they are York will be a very different city in 10 years time, already we have vermin in the streets, rubbish dumped on street corners ... All the engineering jobs will have gone and replaced with low paid tourism/shop work, there will be a two tier minimum wage system , private sector V public sector gravy train.[/p][/quote]Throw in Councillor Sonja Crisps campaign to turn York into an asylum seeker welcoming city it will be less than 10 years[/p][/quote]i was also looking at the results and it got me thinking, is it new labours plan to destroy christianity? Ed Miliband tweeting that he was dissapointed that it was still gonna be illigal for SSM in the CofE , isnt he jewish? and also lots of other actions that i wont go into , the damage that labour have done and the damage that the labour run council is doing in york will be catastrophic , i think York will be one big slum in less than 7 years, the council say thet are gritting, where??? i dont see any, i use a lot of roads early in the morning in outer thru to the station on a morning, no evidence of grit, rubbish everywhere, the council are taking your money and just living the good life off of it. as for a 2 tiered minimum wage this is disgusting, my wife earns minimum wage,we get no benefits and pay full council tax, so my wife will br funding a better lifestyle for somebody in the public sector.... labour just love spending your money and this is why you will be working those extra few years after 65.[/p][/quote]Gritting comment not correct. I`m out before 6:30 almost every morning and all major routes that I use on the West of York and the A1237 are all gritted at around 4 a.m. and have been for the last few years. (i`m often awake around four and also see them go past my house. And i`m pretty certain that Ed Miliband said he wasn`t religious, I think it was after he was elected leader of the LP. Personally I could`t care less if gay people get married, what`s worse is all the pretend Christians who just start going to church a few months before their wedding so that they can have the white wedding, then don`t go back until the 1st born is due to be Christened. Nothing against any religion if you are true to it, but come on, most people use it when it suits them, either to start a war or to salve their conscience. As for the living wage, it wasn`t thought up by Labour. It was brought about by research from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation. The idea is that the minimum wage is not enough to lift working people out of poverty. So why is it disgusting to try to encourage businesses and public bodies to take this on board? If it helps to set a precedent then that`s a good thing for other workers in the future. People can also vote with their feet, recently there were cleaners jobs on the council web site and currently there are jobs for general assistants amongst others starting at £7.48 an hour, get your wife to have a look. I have changed jobs quite a few times, if wages are rubbish you can go elsewhere. I get no benefits and pay full council tax also but i`m happy for my tax to pay decent wages to cleaners to be honest. What a skewed view to say you are funding someone in the public sector, just because they are going to earn a pound an hour more. In one breath you are trying to defend Christianity then in the next being typically unChristian.[/p][/quote]hmm... where did i state that i was a christian in my post? and it's maybe down to my skewed vision that i dont see the gritters that you amazingly see at 4a.m. and as for the living wage, 7;48 isnt enough in my view, how on earth is a person supposed to afford an ipad and monthy contract on that? a living wage to would be at minimum a tenner p.h. in my view ... and also lets be real about poverty,it doesnt exist in this country, all these people claiming poverty all seem to have a mobile phone, packet of fags and a brand new tracksuit from j.d. sports..[/p][/quote]Apologies for assuming you were a Christian, never a nice thing to be accused of, but I think EM being Jewish (his ancestors were) has nothing to do with being disappointed at a decision made by the established church in England. He can have a view on Christianity whether he has no faith or if he is Jewish. Maybe I am lucky in that I live on a major route and my road is gritted every morning and evening in freezing weather, but there`s nothing `amazing` about it, it actually happens so I was merely correcting something you stated which I think is wrong. And your comments about poverty don`t warrant an answer so I wont give one. inthesticks
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3:52pm Fri 14 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

For the record.
For my part I'm no unhinged or paranoid ranter with an obsessive tendency to over-post about my personal "beefs."

I'm apolitical, despite what Pimpernel says. I don't like conflict or personal abuse.

I'm a fan of free speech. That's it.

Said it before many times, I prefer the record to stand so that readers can judge for themselves, fool or genius.
I have a good laugh seeing people put their own personal idiocy into print or pixels. Often.

Recently I have been shocked to see the Twitter accounts of councillor.
I've been shocked to see the spin.
I've been shocked to see the shutting down, censorship and blocking that has been going on.
I was VERY shocked to see James Alexander claiming that a newspaper gives credibility to a certain viewpoint by publishing letters from the public on its letters page.

I've been blocked, I've said nothing personal, no nicknames, nothing.
when I get blocked or censored I speak up about it.
For the record. For my part I'm no unhinged or paranoid ranter with an obsessive tendency to over-post about my personal "beefs." I'm apolitical, despite what Pimpernel says. I don't like conflict or personal abuse. I'm a fan of free speech. That's it. Said it before many times, I prefer the record to stand so that readers can judge for themselves, fool or genius. I have a good laugh seeing people put their own personal idiocy into print or pixels. Often. Recently I have been shocked to see the Twitter accounts of councillor. I've been shocked to see the spin. I've been shocked to see the shutting down, censorship and blocking that has been going on. I was VERY shocked to see James Alexander claiming that a newspaper gives credibility to a certain viewpoint by publishing letters from the public on its letters page. I've been blocked, I've said nothing personal, no nicknames, nothing. when I get blocked or censored I speak up about it. Buzz Light-year
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4:27pm Fri 14 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

I'm sorry, which of my posts are 'unhinged' or 'paranoid' ? Please qualify/clarify/iden
tify - otherwise apologise !

Also, over-posting is not an offence, as you have done it in the past.

Other than that, I agree with your criticism of the twittering one and his blocking of free speech. More of this please, and less of the personal attacks on me for expressing my opinions supported by evidence and facts, not empty rhetoric and unsubstantiated, exaggerated accusations.
I'm sorry, which of my posts are 'unhinged' or 'paranoid' ? Please qualify/clarify/iden tify - otherwise apologise ! Also, over-posting is not an offence, as you have done it in the past. Other than that, I agree with your criticism of the twittering one and his blocking of free speech. More of this please, and less of the personal attacks on me for expressing my opinions supported by evidence and facts, not empty rhetoric and unsubstantiated, exaggerated accusations. Scarlet Pimpernel
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4:47pm Fri 14 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

I see that Gwen Swinburn's letter today, not only as Buzz points out, disallows comments, but, also 'bigs up' her pal James Alexander. She says that he supports the proposal of webcasting council meetings, but, I doubt that his motive has anything to do with transparency or engagement. It's just another opportunity for him to get on camera, a publicity opportunity, where he will hog the limelight and not let anyone get a word in edgeways and where he will inevitably have the last word, and control everything, as he already does.

York has a governance problem, Gwen says...... too right, his name is James Alexander !
I see that Gwen Swinburn's letter today, not only as Buzz points out, disallows comments, but, also 'bigs up' her pal James Alexander. She says that he supports the proposal of webcasting council meetings, but, I doubt that his motive has anything to do with transparency or engagement. It's just another opportunity for him to get on camera, a publicity opportunity, where he will hog the limelight and not let anyone get a word in edgeways and where he will inevitably have the last word, and control everything, as he already does. York has a governance problem, Gwen says...... too right, his name is James Alexander ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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11:57am Sat 15 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
I'm sorry, which of my posts are 'unhinged' or 'paranoid' ? Please qualify/clarify/iden

tify - otherwise apologise !

Also, over-posting is not an offence, as you have done it in the past.

Other than that, I agree with your criticism of the twittering one and his blocking of free speech. More of this please, and less of the personal attacks on me for expressing my opinions supported by evidence and facts, not empty rhetoric and unsubstantiated, exaggerated accusations.
Ah, spiky as ever.
Chill dude, allow me to clarify.

No personal attacks here from me towards anyone.
It was Hoofarted who called you paranoid.
I was responding to Hoofarted's post-count post. I was distancing myself from his characterisation of posters here as unhinged obsessives.


PS I don't do requests!
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry, which of my posts are 'unhinged' or 'paranoid' ? Please qualify/clarify/iden tify - otherwise apologise ! Also, over-posting is not an offence, as you have done it in the past. Other than that, I agree with your criticism of the twittering one and his blocking of free speech. More of this please, and less of the personal attacks on me for expressing my opinions supported by evidence and facts, not empty rhetoric and unsubstantiated, exaggerated accusations.[/p][/quote]Ah, spiky as ever. Chill dude, allow me to clarify. No personal attacks here from me towards anyone. It was Hoofarted who called you paranoid. I was responding to Hoofarted's post-count post. I was distancing myself from his characterisation of posters here as unhinged obsessives. PS I don't do requests! Buzz Light-year
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12:45pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Buzz, thanks for the clarification. I am 'chilled' from your post, and also from the ill-wind that doth blow from those seeking to control free speech ;-).
Buzz, thanks for the clarification. I am 'chilled' from your post, and also from the ill-wind that doth blow from those seeking to control free speech ;-). Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:48pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Hoofarted says...

Studies have shown that deeply unhappy people need someone or something to vent their frust at. If James A wasn't available, someone else would fill their need.

Have a wonderful Christmas all. Don't let things you have no control over bring you down.
Studies have shown that deeply unhappy people need someone or something to vent their frust at. If James A wasn't available, someone else would fill their need. Have a wonderful Christmas all. Don't let things you have no control over bring you down. Hoofarted
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2:02pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Hoofarted wrote:
Studies have shown that deeply unhappy people need someone or something to vent their frust at. If James A wasn't available, someone else would fill their need. Have a wonderful Christmas all. Don't let things you have no control over bring you down.
Nice try, but, people are not fooled by your condescending twaddle. James Alexander is not responsible for most things that cause many of us to be unhappy, but, you can't escape the facts - York people have seen him for what he is, and they should and no doubt will ignore your silly advice. We live in a democracy, and we will have our say.

I ask you again, do you have any connection with James Alexander, the Labour party, or the Council ? What are you hiding, and why ?
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Studies have shown that deeply unhappy people need someone or something to vent their frust at. If James A wasn't available, someone else would fill their need. Have a wonderful Christmas all. Don't let things you have no control over bring you down.[/p][/quote]Nice try, but, people are not fooled by your condescending twaddle. James Alexander is not responsible for most things that cause many of us to be unhappy, but, you can't escape the facts - York people have seen him for what he is, and they should and no doubt will ignore your silly advice. We live in a democracy, and we will have our say. I ask you again, do you have any connection with James Alexander, the Labour party, or the Council ? What are you hiding, and why ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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11:14pm Sat 15 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

Hoofarted wrote:
Studies have shown that deeply unhappy people need someone or something to vent their frust at. If James A wasn't available, someone else would fill their need.

Have a wonderful Christmas all. Don't let things you have no control over bring you down.
Dont let things you have no control over bring you down ?

How dare you presume.

Your comment has ensured I will continue scrutinising and inspecting and commenting upon every decision made by the council, be it behind closed doors or otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Studies have shown that deeply unhappy people need someone or something to vent their frust at. If James A wasn't available, someone else would fill their need. Have a wonderful Christmas all. Don't let things you have no control over bring you down.[/p][/quote]Dont let things you have no control over bring you down ? How dare you presume. Your comment has ensured I will continue scrutinising and inspecting and commenting upon every decision made by the council, be it behind closed doors or otherwise. capt spaulding
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9:39pm Sun 16 Dec 12

desmond tiblets says...

Hoofarted wrote:
I see Scarletpimpy is still ranting on these forums. Fear not Gmspop.. It wasn't long ago since Pimpy claimed i was Mr Alexanders girlfriend. The paranoia rages fiercely on here and with such small input too. Without Angry Pimpys multiple posts, this forum would be almost empty.

Let's look at some stats:

Capt spaulding 14 posts!

Scarlet Pimp 17 posts!

M Lucas posts 4 posts!

Buz light year 6 posts!

Rat scabies 6 posts!

oi oi savaloy 3 posts!

Total posts 77 !

The Multiple post rant winner is...... ;-)

I'm Sure James will sleep at night knowing the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual that seems obsessed on claiming anyone opposed to his views is either on the council or in bed with the leader.
I'm sure james will sleep well at night because every time I see him he is stuffing his face and has a bottle of larger in his hand.was spotted in London the other week guzzling the night away.Its a hard life been council leader whilst the rest of us work.typical labour con man!!!
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: I see Scarletpimpy is still ranting on these forums. Fear not Gmspop.. It wasn't long ago since Pimpy claimed i was Mr Alexanders girlfriend. The paranoia rages fiercely on here and with such small input too. Without Angry Pimpys multiple posts, this forum would be almost empty. Let's look at some stats: Capt spaulding 14 posts! Scarlet Pimp 17 posts! M Lucas posts 4 posts! Buz light year 6 posts! Rat scabies 6 posts! oi oi savaloy 3 posts! Total posts 77 ! The Multiple post rant winner is...... ;-) I'm Sure James will sleep at night knowing the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual that seems obsessed on claiming anyone opposed to his views is either on the council or in bed with the leader.[/p][/quote]I'm sure james will sleep well at night because every time I see him he is stuffing his face and has a bottle of larger in his hand.was spotted in London the other week guzzling the night away.Its a hard life been council leader whilst the rest of us work.typical labour con man!!! desmond tiblets
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8:48am Mon 17 Dec 12

inthesticks says...

desmond tiblets wrote:
Hoofarted wrote:
I see Scarletpimpy is still ranting on these forums. Fear not Gmspop.. It wasn't long ago since Pimpy claimed i was Mr Alexanders girlfriend. The paranoia rages fiercely on here and with such small input too. Without Angry Pimpys multiple posts, this forum would be almost empty.

Let's look at some stats:

Capt spaulding 14 posts!

Scarlet Pimp 17 posts!

M Lucas posts 4 posts!

Buz light year 6 posts!

Rat scabies 6 posts!

oi oi savaloy 3 posts!

Total posts 77 !

The Multiple post rant winner is...... ;-)

I'm Sure James will sleep at night knowing the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual that seems obsessed on claiming anyone opposed to his views is either on the council or in bed with the leader.
I'm sure james will sleep well at night because every time I see him he is stuffing his face and has a bottle of larger in his hand.was spotted in London the other week guzzling the night away.Its a hard life been council leader whilst the rest of us work.typical labour con man!!!
If you see someone at a social event it`s fairly certain that there will be a drink and sometimes food involved.
[quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: I see Scarletpimpy is still ranting on these forums. Fear not Gmspop.. It wasn't long ago since Pimpy claimed i was Mr Alexanders girlfriend. The paranoia rages fiercely on here and with such small input too. Without Angry Pimpys multiple posts, this forum would be almost empty. Let's look at some stats: Capt spaulding 14 posts! Scarlet Pimp 17 posts! M Lucas posts 4 posts! Buz light year 6 posts! Rat scabies 6 posts! oi oi savaloy 3 posts! Total posts 77 ! The Multiple post rant winner is...... ;-) I'm Sure James will sleep at night knowing the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual that seems obsessed on claiming anyone opposed to his views is either on the council or in bed with the leader.[/p][/quote]I'm sure james will sleep well at night because every time I see him he is stuffing his face and has a bottle of larger in his hand.was spotted in London the other week guzzling the night away.Its a hard life been council leader whilst the rest of us work.typical labour con man!!![/p][/quote]If you see someone at a social event it`s fairly certain that there will be a drink and sometimes food involved. inthesticks
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9:13am Mon 17 Dec 12

meme says...

I amongst all the abuse and attacks on people there is a serious idea....
Putting council meetings on the Web..
This may make our elected politicians grow up and start to behave in our best interests as they will see all the schenanigans they get up to and engage in serious debate
I for one welcome this idea as it seems that once someone is elected something changes and they become mired in petty politics
I amongst all the abuse and attacks on people there is a serious idea.... Putting council meetings on the Web.. This may make our elected politicians grow up and start to behave in our best interests as they will see all the schenanigans they get up to and engage in serious debate I for one welcome this idea as it seems that once someone is elected something changes and they become mired in petty politics [I am sure JA has not gone out of his way to be unpopular but it seems that pressure from factions within his party who dont think like the general populace and let their views cloud their judgement force him to make decisions he probably would not make if left to his own devices] meme
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11:23am Mon 17 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

meme wrote:
I amongst all the abuse and attacks on people there is a serious idea.... Putting council meetings on the Web.. This may make our elected politicians grow up and start to behave in our best interests as they will see all the schenanigans they get up to and engage in serious debate I for one welcome this idea as it seems that once someone is elected something changes and they become mired in petty politics
I agree, it is a good idea, but, bear in mind that what they say, and what actually happens, may not be the same.

Labours pre-election manifesto for York was to increase housing but, it hasn't happened, even though in most other neighbouring councils things are improving. Coun Simpson-Laing said the LDF would be found sound - it wasn't (we all know why). Coun Simpson-Laing said there would be announcements about progress with housing - we are still waiting.

Webcasting will at least be another tool for us to catch councillors out for telling porky pies - that won't change because of them being on camera.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: I amongst all the abuse and attacks on people there is a serious idea.... Putting council meetings on the Web.. This may make our elected politicians grow up and start to behave in our best interests as they will see all the schenanigans they get up to and engage in serious debate I for one welcome this idea as it seems that once someone is elected something changes and they become mired in petty politics [I am sure JA has not gone out of his way to be unpopular but it seems that pressure from factions within his party who dont think like the general populace and let their views cloud their judgement force him to make decisions he probably would not make if left to his own devices][/p][/quote]I agree, it is a good idea, but, bear in mind that what they say, and what actually happens, may not be the same. Labours pre-election manifesto for York was to increase housing but, it hasn't happened, even though in most other neighbouring councils things are improving. Coun Simpson-Laing said the LDF would be found sound - it wasn't (we all know why). Coun Simpson-Laing said there would be announcements about progress with housing - we are still waiting. Webcasting will at least be another tool for us to catch councillors out for telling porky pies - that won't change because of them being on camera. Scarlet Pimpernel
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11:26am Mon 17 Dec 12

long distance depressive says...

Alexander is like Icarus! if he gets his wish of 'better' things he will soon get found out and the crash and burn won't be pretty.
Alexander is like Icarus! if he gets his wish of 'better' things he will soon get found out and the crash and burn won't be pretty. long distance depressive
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12:43pm Mon 17 Dec 12

oi oi savaloy says...

inthesticks wrote:
desmond tiblets wrote:
Hoofarted wrote: I see Scarletpimpy is still ranting on these forums. Fear not Gmspop.. It wasn't long ago since Pimpy claimed i was Mr Alexanders girlfriend. The paranoia rages fiercely on here and with such small input too. Without Angry Pimpys multiple posts, this forum would be almost empty. Let's look at some stats: Capt spaulding 14 posts! Scarlet Pimp 17 posts! M Lucas posts 4 posts! Buz light year 6 posts! Rat scabies 6 posts! oi oi savaloy 3 posts! Total posts 77 ! The Multiple post rant winner is...... ;-) I'm Sure James will sleep at night knowing the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual that seems obsessed on claiming anyone opposed to his views is either on the council or in bed with the leader.
I'm sure james will sleep well at night because every time I see him he is stuffing his face and has a bottle of larger in his hand.was spotted in London the other week guzzling the night away.Its a hard life been council leader whilst the rest of us work.typical labour con man!!!
If you see someone at a social event it`s fairly certain that there will be a drink and sometimes food involved.
the 'social event' which you refer to was a certain person popping into 'pizza express' at kings cross after the famous visit 2 weeks ago that got a lot of posts taken off the web.. but what i was a witness to in harkers a year last november disgusted me, the question put to a certain person, was "is this been paid for out of funds?" (refering to a number of empty plates of food) the reply from a certain person was "yes" so the guy then said "well lets get pudding!"...... all aboard the gravy train!
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: I see Scarletpimpy is still ranting on these forums. Fear not Gmspop.. It wasn't long ago since Pimpy claimed i was Mr Alexanders girlfriend. The paranoia rages fiercely on here and with such small input too. Without Angry Pimpys multiple posts, this forum would be almost empty. Let's look at some stats: Capt spaulding 14 posts! Scarlet Pimp 17 posts! M Lucas posts 4 posts! Buz light year 6 posts! Rat scabies 6 posts! oi oi savaloy 3 posts! Total posts 77 ! The Multiple post rant winner is...... ;-) I'm Sure James will sleep at night knowing the vast majority of this forums opposition towards him is one paranoid individual that seems obsessed on claiming anyone opposed to his views is either on the council or in bed with the leader.[/p][/quote]I'm sure james will sleep well at night because every time I see him he is stuffing his face and has a bottle of larger in his hand.was spotted in London the other week guzzling the night away.Its a hard life been council leader whilst the rest of us work.typical labour con man!!![/p][/quote]If you see someone at a social event it`s fairly certain that there will be a drink and sometimes food involved.[/p][/quote]the 'social event' which you refer to was a certain person popping into 'pizza express' at kings cross after the famous visit 2 weeks ago that got a lot of posts taken off the web.. but what i was a witness to in harkers a year last november disgusted me, the question put to a certain person, was "is this been paid for out of funds?" (refering to a number of empty plates of food) the reply from a certain person was "yes" so the guy then said "well lets get pudding!"...... all aboard the gravy train! oi oi savaloy
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12:57pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982
@zzlightyear I think I owe you an apology. I thought you had joined twitter just to troll. Looks like I was wrong. Sorry
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Can't say fairer than that.
The man said sorry. That's a LOT more than so many people can bring themselves to do in all walks of life (and especially here on these pages, mentioning no names you know who you are)

Our society becoming more and more litigious and corporatised has led to people in general being unwilling to, or scared of holding their hand up to anything however big or small for fear of being personally sued or of besmirching the corporate brand they represent.
This general lack of humility is I believe one of society's greatest ills leading to much discomfort and discontent for many of us in everyday life.

I applaud anyone who genuinely holds their hand up.

I'm no longer blocked and have clicked "follow"
[quote]James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 @zzlightyear I think I owe you an apology. I thought you had joined twitter just to troll. Looks like I was wrong. Sorry Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More[/quote] Can't say fairer than that. The man said sorry. That's a LOT more than so many people can bring themselves to do in all walks of life (and especially here on these pages, mentioning no names you know who you are) Our society becoming more and more litigious and corporatised has led to people in general being unwilling to, or scared of holding their hand up to anything however big or small for fear of being personally sued or of besmirching the corporate brand they represent. This general lack of humility is I believe one of society's greatest ills leading to much discomfort and discontent for many of us in everyday life. I applaud anyone who genuinely holds their hand up. I'm no longer blocked and have clicked "follow" Buzz Light-year
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2:43pm Mon 17 Dec 12

meme says...

Qoute from N Clegg today....“Parents know that kids need to learn to look after themselves,” he said. “Slowly but surely, we guide them into independence and adulthood… Parents know that a balance of opportunity and responsibility are what human beings need to thrive. Why would the State treat people otherwise?''

Essentially Mr Clegg believes that voters are children, and that politicians like him are your parents. I’m not exaggerating for satirical effect; he really did say so.

I find this somewhat patronizing/arrogant
/sickening and sums up how politicians think of us voters
No wonder we are turming away from politics
Sorry bit off line but I had to get it off my chest
Qoute from N Clegg today....“Parents know that kids need to learn to look after themselves,” he said. “Slowly but surely, we guide them into independence and adulthood… Parents know that a balance of opportunity and responsibility are what human beings need to thrive. Why would the State treat people otherwise?'' Essentially Mr Clegg believes that voters are children, and that politicians like him are your parents. I’m not exaggerating for satirical effect; he really did say so. I find this somewhat patronizing/arrogant /sickening and sums up how politicians think of us voters No wonder we are turming away from politics Sorry bit off line but I had to get it off my chest meme
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2:47pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 @zzlightyear I think I owe you an apology. I thought you had joined twitter just to troll. Looks like I was wrong. Sorry Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More
Can't say fairer than that. The man said sorry. That's a LOT more than so many people can bring themselves to do in all walks of life (and especially here on these pages, mentioning no names you know who you are) Our society becoming more and more litigious and corporatised has led to people in general being unwilling to, or scared of holding their hand up to anything however big or small for fear of being personally sued or of besmirching the corporate brand they represent. This general lack of humility is I believe one of society's greatest ills leading to much discomfort and discontent for many of us in everyday life. I applaud anyone who genuinely holds their hand up. I'm no longer blocked and have clicked "follow"
Easily taken in ? I think so. He has got you onside very easily. You rightly criticise his attempts to control the press and block free speech, and you were doing his reputation a lot of harm. A simple apology for blocking you on twitter puts all that right does it ? He's suckered you and you don't even realise it. Oh dear ? !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 @zzlightyear I think I owe you an apology. I thought you had joined twitter just to troll. Looks like I was wrong. Sorry Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More[/quote] Can't say fairer than that. The man said sorry. That's a LOT more than so many people can bring themselves to do in all walks of life (and especially here on these pages, mentioning no names you know who you are) Our society becoming more and more litigious and corporatised has led to people in general being unwilling to, or scared of holding their hand up to anything however big or small for fear of being personally sued or of besmirching the corporate brand they represent. This general lack of humility is I believe one of society's greatest ills leading to much discomfort and discontent for many of us in everyday life. I applaud anyone who genuinely holds their hand up. I'm no longer blocked and have clicked "follow"[/p][/quote]Easily taken in ? I think so. He has got you onside very easily. You rightly criticise his attempts to control the press and block free speech, and you were doing his reputation a lot of harm. A simple apology for blocking you on twitter puts all that right does it ? He's suckered you and you don't even realise it. Oh dear ? !!!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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6:05pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Dave Taylor says...

One of the great ironies is that Council didn't get around to debating Cllr Steward's motion about stifling debate last Thursday.
One of the great ironies is that Council didn't get around to debating Cllr Steward's motion about stifling debate last Thursday. Dave Taylor
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10:02pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 @zzlightyear I think I owe you an apology. I thought you had joined twitter just to troll. Looks like I was wrong. Sorry Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More
Can't say fairer than that. The man said sorry. That's a LOT more than so many people can bring themselves to do in all walks of life (and especially here on these pages, mentioning no names you know who you are) Our society becoming more and more litigious and corporatised has led to people in general being unwilling to, or scared of holding their hand up to anything however big or small for fear of being personally sued or of besmirching the corporate brand they represent. This general lack of humility is I believe one of society's greatest ills leading to much discomfort and discontent for many of us in everyday life. I applaud anyone who genuinely holds their hand up. I'm no longer blocked and have clicked "follow"
Easily taken in ? I think so. He has got you onside very easily. You rightly criticise his attempts to control the press and block free speech, and you were doing his reputation a lot of harm. A simple apology for blocking you on twitter puts all that right does it ? He's suckered you and you don't even realise it. Oh dear ? !!!!
Pimpernel.

You don't understand anything I've said on this.

Respecting an apology is not "being onside." Everyone knows you're not stupid enough to be that simplistic.

Unlike you, I'm not driven by politics.
Yes, I rightly criticise attempts to control the press. That criticism is archived here and stands.
Well, most of it anyway.

I tried to have my say on that directly via Twitter and was blocked.
That crossed a line and I stepped up.
Unlike you and your cohort and despite what you claim, I'm not trying to do harm to anyone's reputation. People do that enough for themselves.

I'm speaking up for free speech. My free speech. Our free speech. Freedom to declare our genius. Or not.

Any politician gagging the press, anyone denying the right to have a say is wrong.

I spoke up. Now I'm not blocked. With an apology. You don't see many of them around. I can have my say in the future.
That puts the being blocked on Twitter thing right, yes.

I know you're disappointed no-one was deposed and all your other stuff but that's your agenda not mine. It's been funny seeing you and the captain and whoever else congratulating me for finally "getting with the program."
You should find someone else to groom.

In the end my questions still weren't addressed directly. We can all see that for what it is.

The censorship has died down a bit though hasn't it?
We ALL had our say. Mostly.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 @zzlightyear I think I owe you an apology. I thought you had joined twitter just to troll. Looks like I was wrong. Sorry Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More[/quote] Can't say fairer than that. The man said sorry. That's a LOT more than so many people can bring themselves to do in all walks of life (and especially here on these pages, mentioning no names you know who you are) Our society becoming more and more litigious and corporatised has led to people in general being unwilling to, or scared of holding their hand up to anything however big or small for fear of being personally sued or of besmirching the corporate brand they represent. This general lack of humility is I believe one of society's greatest ills leading to much discomfort and discontent for many of us in everyday life. I applaud anyone who genuinely holds their hand up. I'm no longer blocked and have clicked "follow"[/p][/quote]Easily taken in ? I think so. He has got you onside very easily. You rightly criticise his attempts to control the press and block free speech, and you were doing his reputation a lot of harm. A simple apology for blocking you on twitter puts all that right does it ? He's suckered you and you don't even realise it. Oh dear ? !!!![/p][/quote]Pimpernel. You don't understand anything I've said on this. Respecting an apology is not "being onside." Everyone knows you're not stupid enough to be that simplistic. Unlike you, I'm not driven by politics. Yes, I rightly criticise attempts to control the press. That criticism is archived here and stands. Well, most of it anyway. I tried to have my say on that directly via Twitter and was blocked. That crossed a line and I stepped up. Unlike you and your cohort and despite what you claim, I'm not trying to do harm to anyone's reputation. People do that enough for themselves. I'm speaking up for free speech. My free speech. Our free speech. Freedom to declare our genius. Or not. Any politician gagging the press, anyone denying the right to have a say is wrong. I spoke up. Now I'm not blocked. With an apology. You don't see many of them around. I can have my say in the future. That puts the being blocked on Twitter thing right, yes. I know you're disappointed no-one was deposed and all your other stuff but that's your agenda not mine. It's been funny seeing you and the captain and whoever else congratulating me for finally "getting with the program." You should find someone else to groom. In the end my questions still weren't addressed directly. We can all see that for what it is. The censorship has died down a bit though hasn't it? We ALL had our say. Mostly. Buzz Light-year
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11:03pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Buzz,

Don't presume that you know what my agenda is, and don't patronise me either. I know exactly what is going on here, and so will anyone reading the posts.

His apology has impressed you, but, I doubt that any of those who have criticised him on this thread will be fooled into suddenly grasping the olive branch, because they know that it's another gimmick !
Buzz, Don't presume that you know what my agenda is, and don't patronise me either. I know exactly what is going on here, and so will anyone reading the posts. His apology has impressed you, but, I doubt that any of those who have criticised him on this thread will be fooled into suddenly grasping the olive branch, because they know that it's another gimmick ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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7:50am Tue 18 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Don't presume that you know what my agenda is,

Hah! You're having a laugh.
No-one has to presume, it's as clear as day. Explicit, overt, open, over the counter, obvious.
[quote]Don't presume that you know what my agenda is,[/quote] Hah! You're having a laugh. No-one has to presume, it's as clear as day. Explicit, overt, open, over the counter, obvious. Buzz Light-year
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1:43pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Don't presume that you know what my agenda is,
Hah! You're having a laugh. No-one has to presume, it's as clear as day. Explicit, overt, open, over the counter, obvious.
It's time that you concentrated on those who are the real villains in this sorry saga, instead of attacking the victims.

You were rightly angry, for being unfairly blocked, by one person, on twitter, for a day or two. You were therefore a victim of this individual, who blocked you from expressing your views, but, only on one twitter page. Imagine how it feels to be blocked from the entire @york.gov.uk email network for six weeks, or a full year without explanation or warning, like two York residents were, and without justification. These are the actions of someone not fit to be in the position of power they occupy, because they abuse that power.

Open you eyes, and see what is going on here !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]Don't presume that you know what my agenda is,[/quote] Hah! You're having a laugh. No-one has to presume, it's as clear as day. Explicit, overt, open, over the counter, obvious.[/p][/quote]It's time that you concentrated on those who are the real villains in this sorry saga, instead of attacking the victims. You were rightly angry, for being unfairly blocked, by one person, on twitter, for a day or two. You were therefore a victim of this individual, who blocked you from expressing your views, but, only on one twitter page. Imagine how it feels to be blocked from the entire @york.gov.uk email network for six weeks, or a full year without explanation or warning, like two York residents were, and without justification. These are the actions of someone not fit to be in the position of power they occupy, because they abuse that power. Open you eyes, and see what is going on here !!!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:03pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Hoofarted says...

Holy cow! Pimpernel's still ranting.. And a confession that York Council website had to block him for ranting too.

You really are helping labours cause pimper. With people like you SCREAMING on web forums and trying to blame james A for everything you can possibly dream of just convinces wavering voters.

Keep it up Pimper.. Great work :-)
Holy cow! Pimpernel's still ranting.. And a confession that York Council website had to block him for ranting too. You really are helping labours cause pimper. With people like you SCREAMING on web forums and trying to blame james A for everything you can possibly dream of just convinces wavering voters. Keep it up Pimper.. Great work :-) Hoofarted
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3:14pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Ichabod76 says...

Just sent a FOI request to the Press to find out if any City of York Councillors post on these comments pages with anonymous user names

Should be interesting reading !
Just sent a FOI request to the Press to find out if any City of York Councillors post on these comments pages with anonymous user names Should be interesting reading ! Ichabod76
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8:08pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Scarlet Pimpernel -

Really?

It's time that you concentrated on those who are the real villains in this sorry saga, instead of attacking the victims.

For the millionth time, I'm not attacking or undermining anyone.

Just want my say.

I'm not attacking you - you engaged me... well that's to say you attacked me... for being "suckered"
I said I respected the apology. Nothing more.

Once again - chill dude.
You're starting to live up to your critics.
Scarlet Pimpernel - Really? [quote]It's time that you concentrated on those who are the real villains in this sorry saga, instead of attacking the victims.[/quote] For the millionth time, I'm not attacking or undermining anyone. Just want my say. I'm not attacking you - you engaged me... well that's to say you attacked me... for being "suckered" I said I respected the apology. Nothing more. Once again - chill dude. You're starting to live up to your critics. Buzz Light-year
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2:18am Wed 19 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Hoofarted wrote:
Holy cow! Pimpernel's still ranting.. And a confession that York Council website had to block him for ranting too. You really are helping labours cause pimper. With people like you SCREAMING on web forums and trying to blame james A for everything you can possibly dream of just convinces wavering voters. Keep it up Pimper.. Great work :-)
I didn't say I was blocked. I said two residents were blocked - it was covered by the Press in two articles on 16th and 19th October 2012.

I think that you will find that the majority of posters on this thread are blaming James Alexander for the plethora of gaffs he has made. Many of the objectors are longstanding, loyal labour voters, but, they will not vote Labour in York elections whilst Coun Alexander is involved.

You keep up - with what the majority are saying, and realise that you are doing more harm to Coun Alexander's cause, than good.
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Holy cow! Pimpernel's still ranting.. And a confession that York Council website had to block him for ranting too. You really are helping labours cause pimper. With people like you SCREAMING on web forums and trying to blame james A for everything you can possibly dream of just convinces wavering voters. Keep it up Pimper.. Great work :-)[/p][/quote]I didn't say I was blocked. I said two residents were blocked - it was covered by the Press in two articles on 16th and 19th October 2012. I think that you will find that the majority of posters on this thread are blaming James Alexander for the plethora of gaffs he has made. Many of the objectors are longstanding, loyal labour voters, but, they will not vote Labour in York elections whilst Coun Alexander is involved. You keep up - with what the majority are saying, and realise that you are doing more harm to Coun Alexander's cause, than good. Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:29am Wed 19 Dec 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Buzz,

Seriously ?

'You are starting to live up to your critics'


Like I care what Coun Alexander's supporters and little helpers think or say about me ? !!!!

What they say about me, says more about them than me. So much bitterness and so little substance !
Buzz, Seriously ? [quote] 'You are starting to live up to your critics' [/quote] Like I care what Coun Alexander's supporters and little helpers think or say about me ? !!!! What they say about me, says more about them than me. So much bitterness and so little substance ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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5:50pm Wed 19 Dec 12

inthesticks says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
Just sent a FOI request to the Press to find out if any City of York Councillors post on these comments pages with anonymous user names

Should be interesting reading !
You won`t get that, it`s personal information.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: Just sent a FOI request to the Press to find out if any City of York Councillors post on these comments pages with anonymous user names Should be interesting reading ![/p][/quote]You won`t get that, it`s personal information. inthesticks
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6:55pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Ichabod76 says...

I haven't requested any personal information

it's all about how it's worded
I haven't requested any personal information it's all about how it's worded Ichabod76
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10:17pm Wed 19 Dec 12

inthesticks says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
I haven't requested any personal information

it's all about how it's worded
How would the press know that they are councillors when they register on the site, as they wouldn`t have to give that information? Just because someone gives their name as John Smith when they register on here, doesn`t mean they are John Smith independent Councillor for Micklegate. (names have been changed, obviously, but you get my drift).
Also, as it doesn`t involve the spending of public money I don`t see how you could argue that this information is in the public interest. The FOI act does not override the DPA unless it is in the public interest and this isn`t. There is no reason why councillors can`t post anonymously on the internet, just as you or I can. You just wont get that info.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: I haven't requested any personal information it's all about how it's worded[/p][/quote]How would the press know that they are councillors when they register on the site, as they wouldn`t have to give that information? Just because someone gives their name as John Smith when they register on here, doesn`t mean they are John Smith independent Councillor for Micklegate. (names have been changed, obviously, but you get my drift). Also, as it doesn`t involve the spending of public money I don`t see how you could argue that this information is in the public interest. The FOI act does not override the DPA unless it is in the public interest and this isn`t. There is no reason why councillors can`t post anonymously on the internet, just as you or I can. You just wont get that info. inthesticks
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11:41am Thu 20 Dec 12

Ichabod76 says...

when I get a reply I will tell you how

a certain councillor doesn't want people to be able to post anonymously so if any councillors do or if said councillor does, then it is in the public interest
when I get a reply I will tell you how a certain councillor doesn't want people to be able to post anonymously so if any councillors do or if said councillor does, then it is in the public interest Ichabod76
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12:14pm Thu 20 Dec 12

inthesticks says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
when I get a reply I will tell you how

a certain councillor doesn't want people to be able to post anonymously so if any councillors do or if said councillor does, then it is in the public interest
Interesting, but I still don`t think you will get it.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: when I get a reply I will tell you how a certain councillor doesn't want people to be able to post anonymously so if any councillors do or if said councillor does, then it is in the public interest[/p][/quote]Interesting, but I still don`t think you will get it. inthesticks
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