Call for traffic lights to be installed after boy knocked down on zebra crossing

Call for traffic lights to be installed after boy knocked down on zebra crossing

Flynn Graver sports a nasty looking bump on his head

The zebra crossing where Flynn was knocked down

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THE mother of a three-year-old boy who was hit by a car on a zebra crossing in York has described it as the worst moment of her life.

Katie Graver and her son, Flynn, were using the crossing near their home in Haxby Road when the youngster was hit by the car and knocked to the ground.

Flynn escaped with minor head injuries but his mother said he was “massively lucky”. The accident happened shortly after 9am on Tuesday last week.

Mrs Graver said: “We started off on the side near Blockbuster video shop and the first car stopped. Another car was up the road near the shops so we set off.

“After a couple of seconds I realised they hadn’t seen us.”

She said the car which had stopped flashed its lights to warn the oncoming driver someone was on the crossing, but the car still struck Flynn.

“It was horrendous,” said Mrs Graver. “It was the worst moment of my life. He hit the pavement and he was a bit sore on the side where car had hit him. An ambulance took him to hospital and we were out later that day. He was massively lucky.”

She said the female driver of the car “felt terrible” about the accident, but Mrs Graver has now called for the zebra crossing to be replaced.

“This happened at 9am in the morning. It wasn’t raining and was fine. People don’t always stop,” she said. “I think there needs to be traffic lights. There needs to be a pelican crossing.”

Police confirmed they were alerted to what had happened by ambulance staff.

A police spokesman said: “It is important that all motorists concentrate on the road while driving. “Road signs and pedestrian crossings are there for a reason, which is to ensure the safety of the general public.

“People must be particularly mindful of zebra crossings as a lapse of concentration could have potentially devastating consequences.”

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10:23am Fri 7 Dec 12

asd says...

I am glad he is ok but, this highlights how much some motorists simply ignore zebra crossings.I have had a close call with the one on Beckfield lane which is close to 2 junctions. Car stops we start to cross then a car comes round the junction and does not stop. I drive too and I am so aware about zebra crosings, it a shame some driver IGNORE yes IGNORE because I have seen some laughing at me as they pass by.
I am glad he is ok but, this highlights how much some motorists simply ignore zebra crossings.I have had a close call with the one on Beckfield lane which is close to 2 junctions. Car stops we start to cross then a car comes round the junction and does not stop. I drive too and I am so aware about zebra crosings, it a shame some driver IGNORE yes IGNORE because I have seen some laughing at me as they pass by. asd
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10:37am Fri 7 Dec 12

paintitred says...

While every driver needs to aware of his/her surroundings while driving, I have to say the placement of the zebra crossing in beckfield lane is interesting to say the least.
one side has limited vision from a drivers point of view as there is a tree obstructing clear vision of the start of the crossing added to the reduced power of the street lights it is asking for trouble. That said if vision and lighting is limited then drivers should be more switched on and observant.
However A zebra crossing on a double junction with reduced vision and dim street lighting is not very clever at all.is it?
While every driver needs to aware of his/her surroundings while driving, I have to say the placement of the zebra crossing in beckfield lane is interesting to say the least. one side has limited vision from a drivers point of view as there is a tree obstructing clear vision of the start of the crossing added to the reduced power of the street lights it is asking for trouble. That said if vision and lighting is limited then drivers should be more switched on and observant. However A zebra crossing on a double junction with reduced vision and dim street lighting is not very clever at all.is it? paintitred
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10:42am Fri 7 Dec 12

pedalling paul says...

Pelican and Toucans have a worse safety record than Zebras. Many pedestrians cross as soon as the green man lights, without checking first that all approaching drivers have stopped. Making that vital check can be a lifesaver.
20m mph zones can also help If my memory serves me well, there's a primary school close by that particular zebra. All the more reason for a lower speed limit.
Pelican and Toucans have a worse safety record than Zebras. Many pedestrians cross as soon as the green man lights, without checking first that all approaching drivers have stopped. Making that vital check can be a lifesaver. 20m mph zones can also help If my memory serves me well, there's a primary school close by that particular zebra. All the more reason for a lower speed limit. pedalling paul
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10:51am Fri 7 Dec 12

Kevin Turvey says...

‘pedalling paul says...10:42am Fri 7 Dec 12
Pelican and Toucans have a worse safety record than Zebras. Many pedestrians cross as soon as the green man lights, without checking first that all approaching drivers have stopped. Making that vital check can be a lifesaver.
20m mph zones can also help If my memory serves me well, there's a primary school close by that particular zebra. All the more reason for a lower speed limit.’

Very nice comment but does not compute into real life, in my experience there is an element of cyclists not stopping as well.
Not very funny when I stop as a driver or motorcyclist and the cyclists just go straight through ignoring the highway code and indeed the person attempting to cross the road legally!
‘pedalling paul says...10:42am Fri 7 Dec 12 Pelican and Toucans have a worse safety record than Zebras. Many pedestrians cross as soon as the green man lights, without checking first that all approaching drivers have stopped. Making that vital check can be a lifesaver. 20m mph zones can also help If my memory serves me well, there's a primary school close by that particular zebra. All the more reason for a lower speed limit.’ Very nice comment but does not compute into real life, in my experience there is an element of cyclists not stopping as well. Not very funny when I stop as a driver or motorcyclist and the cyclists just go straight through ignoring the highway code and indeed the person attempting to cross the road legally! Kevin Turvey
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11:05am Fri 7 Dec 12

ReflectiveVest says...

Kevin is right, cyclists not stopping at crossings is a far worse problem than drivers not stopping. The contempt shown by some cyclists for pedestrians knows no bounds; one can only assume they never get off and walk anywhere themselves. Welded into their seats pehaps.
Kevin is right, cyclists not stopping at crossings is a far worse problem than drivers not stopping. The contempt shown by some cyclists for pedestrians knows no bounds; one can only assume they never get off and walk anywhere themselves. Welded into their seats pehaps. ReflectiveVest
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11:08am Fri 7 Dec 12

again says...

PP is quite right: never assume that drivers (or cyclists) will stop until they do!

There are too many people making that text or changing that track instead of looking where they are going to trust 'em.
PP is quite right: never assume that drivers (or cyclists) will stop until they do! There are too many people making that text or changing that track instead of looking where they are going to trust 'em. again
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11:10am Fri 7 Dec 12

pedalling paul says...

I willingly include errant cyclists, as they also "drive" two wheeled vehicles and sometimes fail to stop in like situations.
I willingly include errant cyclists, as they also "drive" two wheeled vehicles and sometimes fail to stop in like situations. pedalling paul
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11:11am Fri 7 Dec 12

Big Bad Wolf says...

The amount of times that I see people press the button and then just cross the road is amazing.... I often see children out with their parents press the button on pelican crossings and carry on walking without crossing. These actions cause delays to motorists.
I am surprised that the car hit the child and not his mother as well.
The amount of times that I see people press the button and then just cross the road is amazing.... I often see children out with their parents press the button on pelican crossings and carry on walking without crossing. These actions cause delays to motorists. I am surprised that the car hit the child and not his mother as well. Big Bad Wolf
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11:24am Fri 7 Dec 12

garyleedodson says...

I am amazed that this isn't happening more frequent as cars are always parking on the ZIGZAG outside Blockbuster and the Laundrett and the Bank.Rule240 from the highway code:
You MUST NOT stop or park on

the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270)
a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191)
a clearway (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB))
taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings
an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB))
a road marked with double white lines, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers, or to load or unload goods
a tram or cycle lane during its period of operation
a cycle track
red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs. Any vehicle may enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload where this is not prohibited (see Rule 140).
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 7 & 9, MT(S)R regs 6 & 8, ZPPPCRGD regs 18 & 20, RTRA sects 5, 6 & 8, TSRGD regs 10, 26 & 27, RTA 1988 sects 21(1) & 36
241. Also the Londis shop getting deliverys during the time children are going to school by that crossing the lorry parks half on the footpath making it hard for pedestrians and road users.
I am amazed that this isn't happening more frequent as cars are always parking on the ZIGZAG outside Blockbuster and the Laundrett and the Bank.Rule240 from the highway code: You MUST NOT stop or park on the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270) a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191) a clearway (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB)) taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB)) a road marked with double white lines, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers, or to load or unload goods a tram or cycle lane during its period of operation a cycle track red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs. Any vehicle may enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload where this is not prohibited (see Rule 140). Laws MT(E&W)R regs 7 & 9, MT(S)R regs 6 & 8, ZPPPCRGD regs 18 & 20, RTRA sects 5, 6 & 8, TSRGD regs 10, 26 & 27, RTA 1988 sects 21(1) & 36 241. Also the Londis shop getting deliverys during the time children are going to school by that crossing the lorry parks half on the footpath making it hard for pedestrians and road users. garyleedodson
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11:27am Fri 7 Dec 12

garyleedodson says...

there is already a 20mph zone in place on this crossing Mr Kevin Turvey says...
10:51am Fri 7 Dec 12

‘pedalling paul says...10:42am Fri 7 Dec 12
Pelican and Toucans have a worse safety record than Zebras. Many pedestrians cross as soon as the green man lights, without checking first that all approaching drivers have stopped. Making that vital check can be a lifesaver.
20m mph zones can also help If my memory serves me well, there's a primary school close by that particular zebra. All the more reason for a lower speed limit.’
there is already a 20mph zone in place on this crossing Mr Kevin Turvey says... 10:51am Fri 7 Dec 12 ‘pedalling paul says...10:42am Fri 7 Dec 12 Pelican and Toucans have a worse safety record than Zebras. Many pedestrians cross as soon as the green man lights, without checking first that all approaching drivers have stopped. Making that vital check can be a lifesaver. 20m mph zones can also help If my memory serves me well, there's a primary school close by that particular zebra. All the more reason for a lower speed limit.’ garyleedodson
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11:50am Fri 7 Dec 12

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

This location is a pig, with streets feeding onto Haxby Road immediately next to the crossing and garyleedodson is right about parking on the zigzgs. However, the cause of the accident looks very much like a driver not paying attention. Like the level crossing incident at Finningley, danger points can be flagged up with all sorts of safety ephemera but all it needs is a driver to ignore it all for an accident to happen.

An albeit minor problem with installing a pelican in this location is the audible crossing signal 24/7 which would drive residents bonkers.
This location is a pig, with streets feeding onto Haxby Road immediately next to the crossing and garyleedodson is right about parking on the zigzgs. However, the cause of the accident looks very much like a driver not paying attention. Like the level crossing incident at Finningley, danger points can be flagged up with all sorts of safety ephemera but all it needs is a driver to ignore it all for an accident to happen. An albeit minor problem with installing a pelican in this location is the audible crossing signal 24/7 which would drive residents bonkers. Ignatius Lumpopo
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12:15pm Fri 7 Dec 12

powerwatt says...

Spending an extra £x thousand on putting in another type of crossing is not going to stop a driver from not paying attention.
Spending an extra £x thousand on putting in another type of crossing is not going to stop a driver from not paying attention. powerwatt
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12:16pm Fri 7 Dec 12

powerwatt says...

A new crossing is as daft as lowering the speed limit if you have a problem with speeding drivers.
A new crossing is as daft as lowering the speed limit if you have a problem with speeding drivers. powerwatt
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12:34pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Thisisnotasmile says...

If the woman wasn't paying enough attention to notice the flashing orange lights, massive black and white stripes across the road and PEOPLE IN THE ROAD, she sure as hell isn't going to notice a red light. Hope she loses her license and is forced to take a retest.
If the woman wasn't paying enough attention to notice the flashing orange lights, massive black and white stripes across the road and PEOPLE IN THE ROAD, she sure as hell isn't going to notice a red light. Hope she loses her license and is forced to take a retest. Thisisnotasmile
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12:40pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Pelican and Toucans have a worse safety record than Zebras. Many pedestrians cross as soon as the green man lights, without checking first that all approaching drivers have stopped. Making that vital check can be a lifesaver. 20m mph zones can also help If my memory serves me well, there's a primary school close by that particular zebra. All the more reason for a lower speed limit.
What a load of rowlocks.

Zebras should be phased out, they are dangerous and widely ignored.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Pelican and Toucans have a worse safety record than Zebras. Many pedestrians cross as soon as the green man lights, without checking first that all approaching drivers have stopped. Making that vital check can be a lifesaver. 20m mph zones can also help If my memory serves me well, there's a primary school close by that particular zebra. All the more reason for a lower speed limit.[/p][/quote]What a load of rowlocks. Zebras should be phased out, they are dangerous and widely ignored. Buzz Light-year
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12:44pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

ReflectiveVest wrote:
Kevin is right, cyclists not stopping at crossings is a far worse problem than drivers not stopping. The contempt shown by some cyclists for pedestrians knows no bounds; one can only assume they never get off and walk anywhere themselves. Welded into their seats pehaps.
I know which I'd prefer to be hit by thank you very much.

Really, a kid gets hit by a car and it's reason to start banging on about cyclists?
[quote][p][bold]ReflectiveVest[/bold] wrote: Kevin is right, cyclists not stopping at crossings is a far worse problem than drivers not stopping. The contempt shown by some cyclists for pedestrians knows no bounds; one can only assume they never get off and walk anywhere themselves. Welded into their seats pehaps.[/p][/quote]I know which I'd prefer to be hit by thank you very much. Really, a kid gets hit by a car and it's reason to start banging on about cyclists? Buzz Light-year
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12:53pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Kevin Turvey says...

‘Buzz Light-year says... 12:44pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Really, a kid gets hit by a car and it's reason to start banging on about cyclists?’

No reason required! but any tenuous excuse is good for me for a bit of cyclist fundamentalist baiting!

I also think James Alexander should resign over this!
‘Buzz Light-year says... 12:44pm Fri 7 Dec 12 Really, a kid gets hit by a car and it's reason to start banging on about cyclists?’ No reason required! but any tenuous excuse is good for me for a bit of cyclist fundamentalist baiting! I also think James Alexander should resign over this! Kevin Turvey
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12:54pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Kevin Turvey says...

‘Buzz Light-year says... 12:44pm Fri 7 Dec 12
I know which I'd prefer to be hit by thank you very much.’

The car! because at least they should be insured
‘Buzz Light-year says... 12:44pm Fri 7 Dec 12 I know which I'd prefer to be hit by thank you very much.’ The car! because at least they should be insured Kevin Turvey
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1:00pm Fri 7 Dec 12

roskoboskovic says...

no we don t need more traffic lights.it s just a typical knee jerk overreaction.we don t get this happening on a regular basis,it s an accident for gods sake.get a grip.
no we don t need more traffic lights.it s just a typical knee jerk overreaction.we don t get this happening on a regular basis,it s an accident for gods sake.get a grip. roskoboskovic
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1:09pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Pete the Brickie says...

Glad the little lad is okay, but whilst cars are obliged to give way, aren't you supposed to wait until approaching cars have done so before crossing?
Glad the little lad is okay, but whilst cars are obliged to give way, aren't you supposed to wait until approaching cars have done so before crossing? Pete the Brickie
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1:24pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Davroshasissues says...

No, the rule is as soon as a foot is stepped on the zebra crossing then any approaching cars should stop and allow the pedestrian to cross. The person should be fully stepped off the crossing before the car is safe to move off.

Glad the poor bairn is alright, i can't imagine what his mum went through, awful...

This is clearly a case of driver not paying attention, so this being the case, any kind of crossing could be ignored by a careless driver. which baffles me, they are quite obvious...
No, the rule is as soon as a foot is stepped on the zebra crossing then any approaching cars should stop and allow the pedestrian to cross. The person should be fully stepped off the crossing before the car is safe to move off. Glad the poor bairn is alright, i can't imagine what his mum went through, awful... This is clearly a case of driver not paying attention, so this being the case, any kind of crossing could be ignored by a careless driver. which baffles me, they are quite obvious... Davroshasissues
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1:28pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Davroshasissues says...

And roskoboskovic, yes, this was an accident, but a totally avoidable one...the crossing is not the hazard here...it's idiot drivers who for some reason can't see them that's the hazard.
And roskoboskovic, yes, this was an accident, but a totally avoidable one...the crossing is not the hazard here...it's idiot drivers who for some reason can't see them that's the hazard. Davroshasissues
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1:44pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Ichabod76 says...

Davroshasissues wrote:
No, the rule is as soon as a foot is stepped on the zebra crossing then any approaching cars should stop and allow the pedestrian to cross. The person should be fully stepped off the crossing before the car is safe to move off.

Glad the poor bairn is alright, i can't imagine what his mum went through, awful...

This is clearly a case of driver not paying attention, so this being the case, any kind of crossing could be ignored by a careless driver. which baffles me, they are quite obvious...
anyone who steps out in front of a moving vehicle is an idiot in my book
[quote][p][bold]Davroshasissues[/bold] wrote: No, the rule is as soon as a foot is stepped on the zebra crossing then any approaching cars should stop and allow the pedestrian to cross. The person should be fully stepped off the crossing before the car is safe to move off. Glad the poor bairn is alright, i can't imagine what his mum went through, awful... This is clearly a case of driver not paying attention, so this being the case, any kind of crossing could be ignored by a careless driver. which baffles me, they are quite obvious...[/p][/quote]anyone who steps out in front of a moving vehicle is an idiot in my book Ichabod76
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1:56pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Davroshasissues says...

Yes Ichabod76, if someone did this on the A64 at peak time i'd agree with you.

But not on a zebra crossing which sole purpose is to allow the safe crossing of a road.

This woman and child have probably done this a hundred times or more, they expect cars to stop, as they should, drivers need to be mindful, obey the rules, PAY ATTENTION.

As a driver you cannot take your eyes off the road for a second, everything is a hazard, side roads, crossings, children running ahead of adults on the pavement, side winds, potholes, other drivers...the list is endless...don't get complacent...
Yes Ichabod76, if someone did this on the A64 at peak time i'd agree with you. But not on a zebra crossing which sole purpose is to allow the safe crossing of a road. This woman and child have probably done this a hundred times or more, they expect cars to stop, as they should, drivers need to be mindful, obey the rules, PAY ATTENTION. As a driver you cannot take your eyes off the road for a second, everything is a hazard, side roads, crossings, children running ahead of adults on the pavement, side winds, potholes, other drivers...the list is endless...don't get complacent... Davroshasissues
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2:16pm Fri 7 Dec 12

was york now rotherham says...

The women in the car should of gone to specsavers and if i remember from my child hood growing up in Huntington we were always tought The Green Cross Code at primary school and that included useing zebra crossings and pellican crossings.
The women in the car should of gone to specsavers and if i remember from my child hood growing up in Huntington we were always tought The Green Cross Code at primary school and that included useing zebra crossings and pellican crossings. was york now rotherham
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2:18pm Fri 7 Dec 12

inthesticks says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
Davroshasissues wrote:
No, the rule is as soon as a foot is stepped on the zebra crossing then any approaching cars should stop and allow the pedestrian to cross. The person should be fully stepped off the crossing before the car is safe to move off.

Glad the poor bairn is alright, i can't imagine what his mum went through, awful...

This is clearly a case of driver not paying attention, so this being the case, any kind of crossing could be ignored by a careless driver. which baffles me, they are quite obvious...
anyone who steps out in front of a moving vehicle is an idiot in my book
I`m sure that when I learnt to drive there is something in the highway code that states that cars do not automatically have the right of way over any other road user, even or especially pedestrians. Or maybe it was something my instructor said but I remember it. Some car drivers think that the road belongs to them.
Glad this little boy is OK.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davroshasissues[/bold] wrote: No, the rule is as soon as a foot is stepped on the zebra crossing then any approaching cars should stop and allow the pedestrian to cross. The person should be fully stepped off the crossing before the car is safe to move off. Glad the poor bairn is alright, i can't imagine what his mum went through, awful... This is clearly a case of driver not paying attention, so this being the case, any kind of crossing could be ignored by a careless driver. which baffles me, they are quite obvious...[/p][/quote]anyone who steps out in front of a moving vehicle is an idiot in my book[/p][/quote]I`m sure that when I learnt to drive there is something in the highway code that states that cars do not automatically have the right of way over any other road user, even or especially pedestrians. Or maybe it was something my instructor said but I remember it. Some car drivers think that the road belongs to them. Glad this little boy is OK. inthesticks
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2:36pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Ageing Hippy says...

Davroshasissues wrote:
No, the rule is as soon as a foot is stepped on the zebra crossing then any approaching cars should stop and allow the pedestrian to cross. The person should be fully stepped off the crossing before the car is safe to move off.

Glad the poor bairn is alright, i can't imagine what his mum went through, awful...

This is clearly a case of driver not paying attention, so this being the case, any kind of crossing could be ignored by a careless driver. which baffles me, they are quite obvious...
Why write incorrect rubbish like this? The Highway code states in Rules for pedestrians 1 - 35 part 2; crossing 18 - 30 part 18 that
18

At all crossings. When using any type of crossing you should

always check that the traffic has stopped before you start to cross or push a pram onto a crossing
always cross between the studs or over the zebra markings. Do not cross at the side of the crossing or on the zig-zag lines, as it can be dangerous.
You MUST NOT loiter on any type of crossing.
Laws ZPPPCRGD reg 19 & RTRA sect 25(5)
Thankfully the child is ok but the Mother must take some resposibility.
[quote][p][bold]Davroshasissues[/bold] wrote: No, the rule is as soon as a foot is stepped on the zebra crossing then any approaching cars should stop and allow the pedestrian to cross. The person should be fully stepped off the crossing before the car is safe to move off. Glad the poor bairn is alright, i can't imagine what his mum went through, awful... This is clearly a case of driver not paying attention, so this being the case, any kind of crossing could be ignored by a careless driver. which baffles me, they are quite obvious...[/p][/quote]Why write incorrect rubbish like this? The Highway code states in Rules for pedestrians 1 - 35 part 2; crossing 18 - 30 part 18 that 18 At all crossings. When using any type of crossing you should always check that the traffic has stopped before you start to cross or push a pram onto a crossing always cross between the studs or over the zebra markings. Do not cross at the side of the crossing or on the zig-zag lines, as it can be dangerous. You MUST NOT loiter on any type of crossing. Laws ZPPPCRGD reg 19 & RTRA sect 25(5) Thankfully the child is ok but the Mother must take some resposibility. Ageing Hippy
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3:43pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Caecilius says...

Ageing Hippy wrote:
Davroshasissues wrote:
No, the rule is as soon as a foot is stepped on the zebra crossing then any approaching cars should stop and allow the pedestrian to cross. The person should be fully stepped off the crossing before the car is safe to move off.

Glad the poor bairn is alright, i can't imagine what his mum went through, awful...

This is clearly a case of driver not paying attention, so this being the case, any kind of crossing could be ignored by a careless driver. which baffles me, they are quite obvious...
Why write incorrect rubbish like this? The Highway code states in Rules for pedestrians 1 - 35 part 2; crossing 18 - 30 part 18 that
18

At all crossings. When using any type of crossing you should

always check that the traffic has stopped before you start to cross or push a pram onto a crossing
always cross between the studs or over the zebra markings. Do not cross at the side of the crossing or on the zig-zag lines, as it can be dangerous.
You MUST NOT loiter on any type of crossing.
Laws ZPPPCRGD reg 19 & RTRA sect 25(5)
Thankfully the child is ok but the Mother must take some resposibility.
If you read the report, the car in the immediate vicinity of the crossing HAD stopped. The other vehicle was "up the road" and Mrs Graver, quite rightly, stepped out on the crossing. The driver who hit the little boy not only failed to notice the belisha beacons, the road markings and two people on their way across, she also failed to register that another car had stopped and that its driver was flashing their headlights at her. Her situational awareness was clearly nonexistent and the collision was entirely her fault. When Mrs Graver stepped out onto the crossing, the car was sufficiently far away for her to have had time to walk half way across before it reached her, and for the driver who'd obeyed the law to have seen what was about to happen and to have reacted by trying to signal the oncoming vehicle.

Too many people drive round half asleep, or at any rate not concentrating on the road. Like the man who came close to running into me this Wednesday morning, by following the car in front straight out of St Denys' Road without pausing to check whether someone with the right of way was coming down Piccadilly.
[quote][p][bold]Ageing Hippy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Davroshasissues[/bold] wrote: No, the rule is as soon as a foot is stepped on the zebra crossing then any approaching cars should stop and allow the pedestrian to cross. The person should be fully stepped off the crossing before the car is safe to move off. Glad the poor bairn is alright, i can't imagine what his mum went through, awful... This is clearly a case of driver not paying attention, so this being the case, any kind of crossing could be ignored by a careless driver. which baffles me, they are quite obvious...[/p][/quote]Why write incorrect rubbish like this? The Highway code states in Rules for pedestrians 1 - 35 part 2; crossing 18 - 30 part 18 that 18 At all crossings. When using any type of crossing you should always check that the traffic has stopped before you start to cross or push a pram onto a crossing always cross between the studs or over the zebra markings. Do not cross at the side of the crossing or on the zig-zag lines, as it can be dangerous. You MUST NOT loiter on any type of crossing. Laws ZPPPCRGD reg 19 & RTRA sect 25(5) Thankfully the child is ok but the Mother must take some resposibility.[/p][/quote]If you read the report, the car in the immediate vicinity of the crossing HAD stopped. The other vehicle was "up the road" and Mrs Graver, quite rightly, stepped out on the crossing. The driver who hit the little boy not only failed to notice the belisha beacons, the road markings and two people on their way across, she also failed to register that another car had stopped and that its driver was flashing their headlights at her. Her situational awareness was clearly nonexistent and the collision was entirely her fault. When Mrs Graver stepped out onto the crossing, the car was sufficiently far away for her to have had time to walk half way across before it reached her, and for the driver who'd obeyed the law to have seen what was about to happen and to have reacted by trying to signal the oncoming vehicle. Too many people drive round half asleep, or at any rate not concentrating on the road. Like the man who came close to running into me this Wednesday morning, by following the car in front straight out of St Denys' Road without pausing to check whether someone with the right of way was coming down Piccadilly. Caecilius
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5:56pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Ageing Hippy says...

was york now rotherham wrote:
The women in the car should of gone to specsavers and if i remember from my child hood growing up in Huntington we were always tought The Green Cross Code at primary school and that included useing zebra crossings and pellican crossings.
quite right, look left, look right and look left again.
[quote][p][bold]was york now rotherham[/bold] wrote: The women in the car should of gone to specsavers and if i remember from my child hood growing up in Huntington we were always tought The Green Cross Code at primary school and that included useing zebra crossings and pellican crossings.[/p][/quote]quite right, look left, look right and look left again. Ageing Hippy
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6:09pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Maquis says...

The more tightly the authorities try to control every aspect of our lives whether it be driving, walking cycling, or even putting rubbish out, the more people will see their rights and responsibilities in absolutes, the less common sense they will apply to their situation.

If drivers are aware that people are likely to walk out on a pedestrian crossing, they will in general be more aware. If pedestrians are aware that the cars coming might not have seen them, they will be more wary when they cross.

(However this does not apply in cases such as this where the driver does not seem to be aware of very much and by the sounds of the reporting would have crashed into whatever happened to be there at the time, be it a child, wall or oil tanker)

Back to the point
When you draw cycle lanes on the road, drivers will drive with them in mind, not the cyclists as that is their space, this is mine. Without the lines, cycles would still be on the left hand side of the road, the cars would give them the desired amount of room, and cyclists would be more aware of the cars that they are sharing the road with, instead they are squeezed by the narrow lanes that have been shoehorned into our existing road network, meaning that drivers tend not to feel the need to give them that extra bit of room.

A good example of instruction over common sense can be proved by the people who drive into fields because their sat nav has told them to.

Take away peoples free will to do the right thing, and they will do only what they are told, right or wrong.
The more tightly the authorities try to control every aspect of our lives whether it be driving, walking cycling, or even putting rubbish out, the more people will see their rights and responsibilities in absolutes, the less common sense they will apply to their situation. If drivers are aware that people are likely to walk out on a pedestrian crossing, they will in general be more aware. If pedestrians are aware that the cars coming might not have seen them, they will be more wary when they cross. (However this does not apply in cases such as this where the driver does not seem to be aware of very much and by the sounds of the reporting would have crashed into whatever happened to be there at the time, be it a child, wall or oil tanker) Back to the point When you draw cycle lanes on the road, drivers will drive with them in mind, not the cyclists as that is their space, this is mine. Without the lines, cycles would still be on the left hand side of the road, the cars would give them the desired amount of room, and cyclists would be more aware of the cars that they are sharing the road with, instead they are squeezed by the narrow lanes that have been shoehorned into our existing road network, meaning that drivers tend not to feel the need to give them that extra bit of room. A good example of instruction over common sense can be proved by the people who drive into fields because their sat nav has told them to. Take away peoples free will to do the right thing, and they will do only what they are told, right or wrong. Maquis
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6:20pm Fri 7 Dec 12

yorkborn66 says...

garyleedodson wrote:
I am amazed that this isn't happening more frequent as cars are always parking on the ZIGZAG outside Blockbuster and the Laundrett and the Bank.Rule240 from the highway code:
You MUST NOT stop or park on

the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270)
a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191)
a clearway (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB))
taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings
an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB))
a road marked with double white lines, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers, or to load or unload goods
a tram or cycle lane during its period of operation
a cycle track
red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs. Any vehicle may enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload where this is not prohibited (see Rule 140).
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 7 & 9, MT(S)R regs 6 & 8, ZPPPCRGD regs 18 & 20, RTRA sects 5, 6 & 8, TSRGD regs 10, 26 & 27, RTA 1988 sects 21(1) & 36
241. Also the Londis shop getting deliverys during the time children are going to school by that crossing the lorry parks half on the footpath making it hard for pedestrians and road users.
I got 3 points and a £60.00 fine for parking outside the RBS Bank in York
The offence code, PC 30. I was not parked on the zigzags, but that was over 3 years ago. Bishopthorpe road crossing is really bad, especially when the florists, Hgv amongst other large vehicles block and obscure the crossing.
Combine this with people who drive and ride like idiots; I am surprised nothing serious has happened there as well.
Pleased that the lad will make a full recovery – could have been allot worse.
[quote][p][bold]garyleedodson[/bold] wrote: I am amazed that this isn't happening more frequent as cars are always parking on the ZIGZAG outside Blockbuster and the Laundrett and the Bank.Rule240 from the highway code: You MUST NOT stop or park on the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270) a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191) a clearway (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB)) taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB)) a road marked with double white lines, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers, or to load or unload goods a tram or cycle lane during its period of operation a cycle track red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs. Any vehicle may enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload where this is not prohibited (see Rule 140). Laws MT(E&W)R regs 7 & 9, MT(S)R regs 6 & 8, ZPPPCRGD regs 18 & 20, RTRA sects 5, 6 & 8, TSRGD regs 10, 26 & 27, RTA 1988 sects 21(1) & 36 241. Also the Londis shop getting deliverys during the time children are going to school by that crossing the lorry parks half on the footpath making it hard for pedestrians and road users.[/p][/quote]I got 3 points and a £60.00 fine for parking outside the RBS Bank in York The offence code, PC 30. I was not parked on the zigzags, but that was over 3 years ago. Bishopthorpe road crossing is really bad, especially when the florists, Hgv amongst other large vehicles block and obscure the crossing. Combine this with people who drive and ride like idiots; I am surprised nothing serious has happened there as well. Pleased that the lad will make a full recovery – could have been allot worse. yorkborn66
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6:28pm Fri 7 Dec 12

yorkborn66 says...

yorkborn66 wrote:
garyleedodson wrote:
I am amazed that this isn't happening more frequent as cars are always parking on the ZIGZAG outside Blockbuster and the Laundrett and the Bank.Rule240 from the highway code:
You MUST NOT stop or park on

the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270)
a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191)
a clearway (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB))
taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings
an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB))
a road marked with double white lines, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers, or to load or unload goods
a tram or cycle lane during its period of operation
a cycle track
red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs. Any vehicle may enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload where this is not prohibited (see Rule 140).
Laws MT(E&W)R regs 7 & 9, MT(S)R regs 6 & 8, ZPPPCRGD regs 18 & 20, RTRA sects 5, 6 & 8, TSRGD regs 10, 26 & 27, RTA 1988 sects 21(1) & 36
241. Also the Londis shop getting deliverys during the time children are going to school by that crossing the lorry parks half on the footpath making it hard for pedestrians and road users.
I got 3 points and a £60.00 fine for parking outside the RBS Bank in York
The offence code, PC 30. I was not parked on the zigzags, but that was over 3 years ago. Bishopthorpe road crossing is really bad, especially when the florists, Hgv amongst other large vehicles block and obscure the crossing.
Combine this with people who drive and ride like idiots; I am surprised nothing serious has happened there as well.
Pleased that the lad will make a full recovery – could have been allot worse.
PC30- Contravention of pedestrian crossing regulations with stationary vehicle
[quote][p][bold]yorkborn66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garyleedodson[/bold] wrote: I am amazed that this isn't happening more frequent as cars are always parking on the ZIGZAG outside Blockbuster and the Laundrett and the Bank.Rule240 from the highway code: You MUST NOT stop or park on the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270) a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191) a clearway (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB)) taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings an Urban Clearway within its hours of operation, except to pick up or set down passengers (download ‘Traffic signs’ (PDF, 486KB)) a road marked with double white lines, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers, or to load or unload goods a tram or cycle lane during its period of operation a cycle track red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs. Any vehicle may enter a bus lane to stop, load or unload where this is not prohibited (see Rule 140). Laws MT(E&W)R regs 7 & 9, MT(S)R regs 6 & 8, ZPPPCRGD regs 18 & 20, RTRA sects 5, 6 & 8, TSRGD regs 10, 26 & 27, RTA 1988 sects 21(1) & 36 241. Also the Londis shop getting deliverys during the time children are going to school by that crossing the lorry parks half on the footpath making it hard for pedestrians and road users.[/p][/quote]I got 3 points and a £60.00 fine for parking outside the RBS Bank in York The offence code, PC 30. I was not parked on the zigzags, but that was over 3 years ago. Bishopthorpe road crossing is really bad, especially when the florists, Hgv amongst other large vehicles block and obscure the crossing. Combine this with people who drive and ride like idiots; I am surprised nothing serious has happened there as well. Pleased that the lad will make a full recovery – could have been allot worse.[/p][/quote]PC30- Contravention of pedestrian crossing regulations with stationary vehicle yorkborn66
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4:09am Sat 8 Dec 12

Magicman! says...

Whilst it is good to know the child is OK, I don't think this is enough to merit the cost outlay in addition to the extra time added onto journeys by putting up a light controlled crossing. When a pedestrian crosses on a zebra crossing, it is usually clear in about 9 seconds - on a signallised crossing traffic is not allowed to go until about 20 seconds after the stop light has shown, and puffin crossings are even worse as it'll restart the timer if somebody runs on to the road even on a red man if the traffic is still stopped.

The Haxby Road is seen by some drivers as just a quick way out of the city, and this is further seen up in New Earswick where drivers often ignore the mini roundabouts. The zebra crossing outside Blockbusters could do with better highlighting before anything else is done to it... I seem to remember back in the late 1990's Amey flagged it up as not having enough direct light shining on the crossing surface, but the council have never put it on the books to have either a decent floodlight or a "zebra lantern" fitted on a lighting column. This, as well as an adance warning sign of the crossing, should be the next stage before anything drastic such as installing a signallised crossing is done.
There are too many locations where pedestrians seem to be nannied over the road when realistically they could cross with either just a zebra or an island and a bit of brain power.

In addition we have a lot of pedestrian crossings in stupid locations, such as the zebra at the top of coppergate on a corner where buses turn.... there's another crossing less than 50 meters away so why is there a zebra too??
Whilst it is good to know the child is OK, I don't think this is enough to merit the cost outlay in addition to the extra time added onto journeys by putting up a light controlled crossing. When a pedestrian crosses on a zebra crossing, it is usually clear in about 9 seconds - on a signallised crossing traffic is not allowed to go until about 20 seconds after the stop light has shown, and puffin crossings are even worse as it'll restart the timer if somebody runs on to the road even on a red man if the traffic is still stopped. The Haxby Road is seen by some drivers as just a quick way out of the city, and this is further seen up in New Earswick where drivers often ignore the mini roundabouts. The zebra crossing outside Blockbusters could do with better highlighting before anything else is done to it... I seem to remember back in the late 1990's Amey flagged it up as not having enough direct light shining on the crossing surface, but the council have never put it on the books to have either a decent floodlight or a "zebra lantern" fitted on a lighting column. This, as well as an adance warning sign of the crossing, should be the next stage before anything drastic such as installing a signallised crossing is done. There are too many locations where pedestrians seem to be nannied over the road when realistically they could cross with either just a zebra or an island and a bit of brain power. In addition we have a lot of pedestrian crossings in stupid locations, such as the zebra at the top of coppergate on a corner where buses turn.... there's another crossing less than 50 meters away so why is there a zebra too?? Magicman!
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2:49pm Sat 8 Dec 12

catty69 says...

Whilst waiting to cross outside Huntington primary, the cars one side stopped, however the car coming the other way didnt. Thank god the children hadn;t stepped out. Worse still, that car was a learner with the schools name on top!!!
Whilst waiting to cross outside Huntington primary, the cars one side stopped, however the car coming the other way didnt. Thank god the children hadn;t stepped out. Worse still, that car was a learner with the schools name on top!!! catty69
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7:54pm Sat 8 Dec 12

yorkshirelad says...

If the facts are as stated, then it's a pretty clear cut case.

In the driver's defence, saying that she felt terrible at least displayed a level of humanity and common sense absent from some of the more thuggish posts above.
If the facts are as stated, then it's a pretty clear cut case. In the driver's defence, saying that she felt terrible at least displayed a level of humanity and common sense absent from some of the more thuggish posts above. yorkshirelad
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8:28pm Sat 8 Dec 12

davew17 says...

thankyou to the gutless york press for taking my comments off after allowing them shame on you somepeople dont like hear the truth
thankyou to the gutless york press for taking my comments off after allowing them shame on you somepeople dont like hear the truth davew17
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9:51pm Sat 8 Dec 12

Sawday2 says...

Rearrange these words into a well known phrase or saying... jerk reaction knee.
Rearrange these words into a well known phrase or saying... jerk reaction knee. Sawday2
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10:08am Mon 10 Dec 12

York1900 says...

It will make no difference changing the type of crossing

All drivers should have to have a eye test every 5 years

and a fitness to drive test every 10 years that would be a written test on the highway code

and every 15 years a practical driving test

speeding, drink driving and using a moblie while driving should all so be require a full retake of the driving test
It will make no difference changing the type of crossing All drivers should have to have a eye test every 5 years and a fitness to drive test every 10 years that would be a written test on the highway code and every 15 years a practical driving test speeding, drink driving and using a moblie while driving should all so be require a full retake of the driving test York1900
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