Bar on site of former chapel in Little Stonegate set to be approved

PLANS for a new bar and restaurant on the site of a former chapel in the centre of York could be given the go-ahead this week.

The listed 161-year-old building in Little Stonegate, linked to the former Borders store, has been earmarked for a new eating-out spot. The proposals will go before a City of York Council planning meeting tomorrow.

The scheme has been drawn up by Leeds-based ARC Inspirations LLP. It focuses on the former Methodist chapel, which became a printworks in 1901. The firm said it hopes to gain a licence for an outside dining area if planning permission is granted.

Council planners have recommended the application for approval, although the Guildhall planning panel has objected.

Members say the proposals will mean retail space is lost. Other objections claim the area is becoming “dominated” by bars and this has led to more noise and late-night disturbance.

ARC Insprations LLP already runs restaurants and bars in Leeds and Harrogate and its application said the company had been searching for a site in York for several years before focusing on the three-storey Little Stonegate building.

Planning permission for a youth cafe on part of the site was granted last year, but this has not moved forward.

A report by development management officer Jonathan Kenyon said the building had been vacant since Borders closed in 2010, since when fashion chain Cult has moved into the Davygate side of the site.

It said the design of the former chapel and printworks “does not lend itself to retail use”, and the fact it had been empty for almost three years meant the restaurant scheme would not harm the “vitality of this part of the city-centre”.

“While there is a concern that adding to the number of bars and restaurants in the area will increase late-night disturbance, this is a city-centre location and the impact has to be weighed against the public benefit of bringing the listed building back into use,” the report said.

It has yet to be confirmed which restaurant operator may open in Little Stonegate or how many jobs may be created if the plans are approved.

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9:50am Tue 4 Dec 12

bolero says...

No, no., no. This is the whole problem with York and it's night time drink fuelled problems. Too many drinking venues which are of no benefit to the general public at all.
No, no., no. This is the whole problem with York and it's night time drink fuelled problems. Too many drinking venues which are of no benefit to the general public at all. bolero

10:21am Tue 4 Dec 12

The OX says...

Just what York needs for all the Hen and Stag partys to go !!!!!!
Just what York needs for all the Hen and Stag partys to go !!!!!! The OX

11:14am Tue 4 Dec 12

meme says...

We are a tourist City so we need bars/cafes/restauran
ts etc
Go to any major tourist city and its the same. Its the public and the policing that's at fault... not the bars themselves.
Punish bad uns properly and we wont have any issues but at the moment its all too soft and people can be drunk and told to go home which they dont
Make a few examples and then we will get behaviour we can accept but dont stop the bars etc from opening as they are vital for our local economy
We are a tourist City so we need bars/cafes/restauran ts etc Go to any major tourist city and its the same. Its the public and the policing that's at fault... not the bars themselves. Punish bad uns properly and we wont have any issues but at the moment its all too soft and people can be drunk and told to go home which they dont Make a few examples and then we will get behaviour we can accept but dont stop the bars etc from opening as they are vital for our local economy meme

11:56am Tue 4 Dec 12

bolero says...

meme wrote:
We are a tourist City so we need bars/cafes/restauran ts etc Go to any major tourist city and its the same. Its the public and the policing that's at fault... not the bars themselves. Punish bad uns properly and we wont have any issues but at the moment its all too soft and people can be drunk and told to go home which they dont Make a few examples and then we will get behaviour we can accept but dont stop the bars etc from opening as they are vital for our local economy
Yes, exactly. That's why we don't want them. You've exemplified the problem beautifully.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: We are a tourist City so we need bars/cafes/restauran ts etc Go to any major tourist city and its the same. Its the public and the policing that's at fault... not the bars themselves. Punish bad uns properly and we wont have any issues but at the moment its all too soft and people can be drunk and told to go home which they dont Make a few examples and then we will get behaviour we can accept but dont stop the bars etc from opening as they are vital for our local economy[/p][/quote]Yes, exactly. That's why we don't want them. You've exemplified the problem beautifully. bolero

12:16pm Tue 4 Dec 12

The OX says...

meme wrote:
We are a tourist City so we need bars/cafes/restauran

ts etc
Go to any major tourist city and its the same. Its the public and the policing that's at fault... not the bars themselves.
Punish bad uns properly and we wont have any issues but at the moment its all too soft and people can be drunk and told to go home which they dont
Make a few examples and then we will get behaviour we can accept but dont stop the bars etc from opening as they are vital for our local economy
York is full of bars/clubs/restauran
ts that are closing down because of no business, who would pay for the extra policing yes York Tax payers, we would welcome more tourist in the city, but they wont come because of the night life in York, its all down to cost
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: We are a tourist City so we need bars/cafes/restauran ts etc Go to any major tourist city and its the same. Its the public and the policing that's at fault... not the bars themselves. Punish bad uns properly and we wont have any issues but at the moment its all too soft and people can be drunk and told to go home which they dont Make a few examples and then we will get behaviour we can accept but dont stop the bars etc from opening as they are vital for our local economy[/p][/quote]York is full of bars/clubs/restauran ts that are closing down because of no business, who would pay for the extra policing yes York Tax payers, we would welcome more tourist in the city, but they wont come because of the night life in York, its all down to cost The OX

1:06pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Ousetunes says...

As a visitor (and drinker) to York for over 25 years, your beautiful city has become an inland Blackpool.
As a visitor (and drinker) to York for over 25 years, your beautiful city has become an inland Blackpool. Ousetunes

1:46pm Tue 4 Dec 12

xtc says...

Another bar too far we don't need any more bars,chafes and restaurants half go out of biz anyway.
Another bar too far we don't need any more bars,chafes and restaurants half go out of biz anyway. xtc

1:47pm Tue 4 Dec 12

xtc says...

xtc wrote:
Another bar too far we don't need any more bars,chafes and restaurants half go out of biz anyway.
Sorry all cafes I ll leave the birds alone....lol!
[quote][p][bold]xtc[/bold] wrote: Another bar too far we don't need any more bars,chafes and restaurants half go out of biz anyway.[/p][/quote]Sorry all cafes I ll leave the birds alone....lol! xtc

12:31pm Wed 5 Dec 12

lexon2 says...

There is a real problem in the unplanned growth in the number of inner city restaurant/bars that are open until well into the early hours (or in the case of MacDonalds that never close).
York is a city that depends heavily on tourism. There is a clear wish amongst planners to grow the high-end hotel market and attract tourists who will spend freely in a wide range of businesses across the city, including quality independent shops.
The danger is that as more and more premises compete to attract early hours customers the City will drop downmarket, year on year. This is something that has happened to many towns and cities in Europe and elsewhere.
The sad fact is that large numbers of drinkers in the city centre in the early hours result in increases in anti-social behaviour, window smashing, vomiting, urinating, litter, etc which increase costs for residents in Policing and Cleaning and can increase the costs of others doing business. To pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.
York can't survive on student and local and visiting drinkers alone. A balance is needed but who is ensuring that this is provided.
There is a real problem in the unplanned growth in the number of inner city restaurant/bars that are open until well into the early hours (or in the case of MacDonalds that never close). York is a city that depends heavily on tourism. There is a clear wish amongst planners to grow the high-end hotel market and attract tourists who will spend freely in a wide range of businesses across the city, including quality independent shops. The danger is that as more and more premises compete to attract early hours customers the City will drop downmarket, year on year. This is something that has happened to many towns and cities in Europe and elsewhere. The sad fact is that large numbers of drinkers in the city centre in the early hours result in increases in anti-social behaviour, window smashing, vomiting, urinating, litter, etc which increase costs for residents in Policing and Cleaning and can increase the costs of others doing business. To pretend otherwise is to ignore reality. York can't survive on student and local and visiting drinkers alone. A balance is needed but who is ensuring that this is provided. lexon2

3:45pm Wed 5 Dec 12

meme says...

The sad fact is that large numbers of drinkers in the city centre in the early hours result in increases in anti-social behaviour, window smashing, vomiting, urinating, litter, etc which increase costs for residents in Policing and Cleaning and can increase the costs of others doing business. To pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.

This is an issue for policing, as I said before. The police should act harshly to miscreants and then they would soon stop being bad.
our city is one for tourists so we have to provide for them all Youngsters stay out late in cheaper places oldies go home earlier and are more sedate.All can happily co exist so long as we all have resopect for each other and if we dont then you should be severely punished
The sad fact is that large numbers of drinkers in the city centre in the early hours result in increases in anti-social behaviour, window smashing, vomiting, urinating, litter, etc which increase costs for residents in Policing and Cleaning and can increase the costs of others doing business. To pretend otherwise is to ignore reality. This is an issue for policing, as I said before. The police should act harshly to miscreants and then they would soon stop being bad. our city is one for tourists [uk and foreign] so we have to provide for them all Youngsters stay out late in cheaper places oldies go home earlier and are more sedate.All can happily co exist so long as we all have resopect for each other and if we dont then you should be severely punished meme

3:50pm Wed 5 Dec 12

rogue84 says...

i'm presuming mulberry hall will be complaining about this?!
i understand the people who say they don't want another bar/cafe/restaurant in york city centre, but what else would you have? a touristy shop selling trinkets etc - plenty of those. a clothes shop - plenty of those too.....what would everyone, ideally, like to see opening in york?
i'm presuming mulberry hall will be complaining about this?! i understand the people who say they don't want another bar/cafe/restaurant in york city centre, but what else would you have? a touristy shop selling trinkets etc - plenty of those. a clothes shop - plenty of those too.....what would everyone, ideally, like to see opening in york? rogue84

7:06pm Wed 5 Dec 12

bolero says...

rogue84 wrote:
i'm presuming mulberry hall will be complaining about this?! i understand the people who say they don't want another bar/cafe/restaurant in york city centre, but what else would you have? a touristy shop selling trinkets etc - plenty of those. a clothes shop - plenty of those too.....what would everyone, ideally, like to see opening in york?
How about a decent butcher's shop, a nice deli or a decent greengrocers. We used to have all of these but sadly they closed. What we do not want are more premises with encouragement for inconsiderate yobs to get themselves into a state of inebriation which has a resultant effect on tourists and other law abiding citizens as they try to go about their everyday business without being abused or having to dodge pools of vomit and urine in the streets and the offensive stench as they pass shop doorways and snicketts.
[quote][p][bold]rogue84[/bold] wrote: i'm presuming mulberry hall will be complaining about this?! i understand the people who say they don't want another bar/cafe/restaurant in york city centre, but what else would you have? a touristy shop selling trinkets etc - plenty of those. a clothes shop - plenty of those too.....what would everyone, ideally, like to see opening in york?[/p][/quote]How about a decent butcher's shop, a nice deli or a decent greengrocers. We used to have all of these but sadly they closed. What we do not want are more premises with encouragement for inconsiderate yobs to get themselves into a state of inebriation which has a resultant effect on tourists and other law abiding citizens as they try to go about their everyday business without being abused or having to dodge pools of vomit and urine in the streets and the offensive stench as they pass shop doorways and snicketts. bolero

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