20mph zones on agenda at meeting in York (From York Press)

A total and pointless waste of our money! I was against this from the offset as amongst other reasons I did not believe that the majority of motorists would take any notice of it. And I was right. I live in South Bank, and I like many others completely ignore the 20mph limit.

And before anyone starts having a go, I still drive at a reasonable speed paying due care and attention at all times. Just like I did before.

Agree with Woody that it's a complete waste of money. At a time when the council is having to cut back on essential services, there is absolutely no justification for vanity schemes like this that self-interested residents have demanded but that will have next-to-no positive effect.

20mph speed limits are widely ignored where the road looks safe to go faster ... and if the road doesn't look safe to go faster then drivers will slow down, whether the limit is 20 or 30.

Without enforcement all speed limits and road traffic laws are ineffective. It's pointless fining and banning a driver after they have maimed or killed in a preventable situation.

Agree with all the above.

The 20mph zones in South Bank were a waste of around £500k (I think?) in a time of spending cuts and being careful with money.

People who speed before the change will still speed whether it's a 30mph or 20mph zone. If they are breaking the law before, what difference does it make to them?
It just makes it less safe in that case for the pedestrian as they are expecting a slower speed, but the car is actually going faster.

Emissions are actually higher at 20mph than 30mph, so the Council propaganda was wrong there.

The road signs are all over the place and have made South Bank unsightly.

And to cap it all off the survey they did on road speeds showed that the average speed throughout South Bank was I think around 15-20mph before the signs were in place...

When I questioned a member of staff that was handing out flyers to promote the new speed that the traffic on Bishopthorpe Rd is nearly always at a standstill and there are multiple crossings, he just said "Yeah, I can see that...I'm just handing these out to be honest".

I personally like the idea of 20 mph limit but given that is simply can't and won't be enforced, what is the point? Spend the money on something that does good, rather than yet another seen-to-be-done exercise.

Stop wasting money that we don't even have. I think enough has already been said to convince any sensible council that the majority of citizens do not want this non-enforcable idea brought in. As long as the lawbreaking Woody G Mellors of this world are around there is no point. He probably drives a white van.

bolero wrote:
Stop wasting money that we don't even have. I think enough has already been said to convince any sensible council that the majority of citizens do not want this non-enforcable idea brought in. As long as the lawbreaking Woody G Mellors of this world are around there is no point. He probably drives a white van.

Totally agree. Although I don't drive a white van.

How can this possibly be enforced in any way. There is no enforcement of any traffic laws in South Bank or anywhere else - speeding , using phones, going through red lights riding bikes on pavemants etc etc The only thing occasionally enforced is the residents parking and then only on race days when the moped men come out to make a fast buck. There are cars parked for several days on double yellow lines covered up by leaves along Scarcroft Road with no tickets. Laws are pointless if we have no one to follow them up

Woody G Mellor wrote:

bolero wrote: Stop wasting money that we don't even have. I think enough has already been said to convince any sensible council that the majority of citizens do not want this non-enforcable idea brought in. As long as the lawbreaking Woody G Mellors of this world are around there is no point. He probably drives a white van.

Totally agree. Although I don't drive a white van.

I do though, so what?

I agree with Woody's comments earlier. The limit is daft and a waste of money.

The vast majority of drivers stick to 30mph and drive in a sensible manner.

To York Council: Stop this waste of my and other tax payers' money!

AnotherPointofView wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

bolero wrote: Stop wasting money that we don't even have. I think enough has already been said to convince any sensible council that the majority of citizens do not want this non-enforcable idea brought in. As long as the lawbreaking Woody G Mellors of this world are around there is no point. He probably drives a white van.

Totally agree. Although I don't drive a white van.

I do though, so what?

I agree with Woody's comments earlier. The limit is daft and a waste of money.

The vast majority of drivers stick to 30mph and drive in a sensible manner.

To York Council: Stop this waste of my and other tax payers' money!

The Council "stop wasting money"....that's a laugh ! Not much chance of that. :-(

the urge by these people to spend money that we can t afford on things that we don t need is disgraceful.LISTEN TO US instead of these pathetic people who don t have a clue.

More signs to distract motorists. More stop / start to increase pollution. More frustrated citzens trying to go about their business. More rules which cannot be enforced. More contempt for the law. More incompetent and naive politicians concentrating on the wrong things.

Get the pot holes filled, the broken lights in the street signs repaired or cleaned if you want to imrove road safety - do the basic job you are there for.

I've driven behind police and council workers now and i've yet to see any of them slow down for a 20 zone.
If there was any real safety concerns surely they'd be the first to stick to them.

They don't because they know there's no reason for them to do so at that point. I watch them and others slowing down and speeding up based on their surroundings, like we were professionally trained to do and will continue doing.

So this is an obvious waste of money, for the tax payer at least.

The view seems to be if they ain't enforced, what's the point.

But, hang on a minute. Loads of laws ain't enforced. These include the 30, 40 and every other speed limit which are (as near as makes no difference) not enforced. But also, hundreds (maybe thousands of other laws).

The 'drunk and disorderly' law... is that enforced in York at 2am? Is the law enforced when hundreds of drunk people are disgorged onto our streets after the races?

Is the law enforced on Friday and Saturday nights when taxis seem to be mostly well over the speed limit?

The reason they are not enforced is that it's physically impossible to do so. Most laws rely on a decent majority obeying them and then occasional enforcement only.

Because of the sheer numbers and partly because of extremist campaigns against speed enforcement, it's only a tiny minority of speeders that will ever get caught.

But that does not make a law not worth having. The decent majority will obey the law. As for the minority, they will either get away with it as antisocial people often do...or their comeuppance will arrive in an accident investigation when the Police are remarkably good at working out what speed the car was doing when the child going to school was killed.

I bet the same people that trot out their huff and puff about 20-zones also ignore 30 and 40 zones...they think that they alone can decide the speed limit.

Ignore them - the decent majority support speed limits.

So if people don't agree with you they are not "decent" ?

Oh the shame !!!

Count me in

bob the builder wrote:
Without enforcement all speed limits and road traffic laws are ineffective. It's pointless fining and banning a driver after they have maimed or killed in a preventable situation.

Sorry Robert, I don't quite follow your logic. It's a bit like a builder's invoice.

As to the rest of you who are exceeding 20 mph, and driving "safely", I assume that you would probably claim that you could drive safely at 40 or even 50 mph. Am I correct? Aye right!

Haywire wrote:

bob the builder wrote:
Without enforcement all speed limits and road traffic laws are ineffective. It's pointless fining and banning a driver after they have maimed or killed in a preventable situation.

Sorry Robert, I don't quite follow your logic. It's a bit like a builder's invoice.

As to the rest of you who are exceeding 20 mph, and driving "safely", I assume that you would probably claim that you could drive safely at 40 or even 50 mph. Am I correct? Aye right!

The war against the Car owner continues...the money that they are spending could be diverted to educate the uninsured and unaccountable who use or cross our roads.

Haywire wrote:

bob the builder wrote:
Without enforcement all speed limits and road traffic laws are ineffective. It's pointless fining and banning a driver after they have maimed or killed in a preventable situation.

Sorry Robert, I don't quite follow your logic. It's a bit like a builder's invoice.

As to the rest of you who are exceeding 20 mph, and driving "safely", I assume that you would probably claim that you could drive safely at 40 or even 50 mph. Am I correct? Aye right!

I doubt it in a 20 zone. Limits don't decide what's safe, people do, that's why we're trained and tested. The speed you see people cruising around at is the speed we collectively decide is safe. I think the majority are largely uninfluenced by the limits, and wouldn't change if the limits were abolished.
We need limits to control idiots and prevent them running riot, they shouldn't impinge on every driver out there in such an intrusive way.

And do the families living on the street that you are deciding your own personal speed limit have any say in it at all?

yorkshirelad wrote:
And do the families living on the street that you are deciding your own personal speed limit have any say in it at all?

Yes. I'm one of them! I drive around South Bank ( where I live) at what I deem a reasonable and safe speed. This depends on time of day, weather conditions, obstructions, traffic lights, pedestrians, cyclists etc etc etc. and you know what, most of the time it is 20mph due to all of he above. So what's the point in spending all that money on all those pointless signs and road markings? The whole idea is set up by a bunch of self righteous money wasting idiots!

Great idea providing limits are enforced. Set up a few unmarked random average speed cameras and give 3 points for every offence. Wouldn't take long for the message to get across.

Seems to work very effectively when average 50mph limits are enforced during roadworks. Pointless having fixed cameras as idiots will only speed before and immediately after.

Of course there would have to be dispensations for the superb drivers on here who are above the law when it comes to speed limits. They could be provided flashing red lights to warn pedestrians of an oncoming superior driver. This would ensure they do not make a mistake and get themselves killed or injured. Obviously those who speed in urban areas only kill children who are at fault - they probably see it as a form of natural selection.

Good idea, Kelly. There's a chance they might catch (e.g.) the pony-tailed woman who put her foot down and drove her SUV through a red light at the top of Gillygate early yesterday afternoon, as pedestrians were about to cross. Or the fool I saw on Monday drive straight across a roundabout where traffic coming from the right is obscured by a hedge, without checking to see if anyone with the right of way was also coming onto the roundabout. There was: a cyclist - and a cyclist was killed by a driver on that very roundabout two years ago. I think we can safely bet that these two individuals will be among the people who feel that the 20 mph limit doesn't apply to them.

Caecilius wrote:
Good idea, Kelly. There's a chance they might catch (e.g.) the pony-tailed woman who put her foot down and drove her SUV through a red light at the top of Gillygate early yesterday afternoon, as pedestrians were about to cross. Or the fool I saw on Monday drive straight across a roundabout where traffic coming from the right is obscured by a hedge, without checking to see if anyone with the right of way was also coming onto the roundabout. There was: a cyclist - and a cyclist was killed by a driver on that very roundabout two years ago. I think we can safely bet that these two individuals will be among the people who feel that the 20 mph limit doesn't apply to them.

Idiots like that will not be stopped by speed limits. Few points on the licence, few quid on the insurance and ban looming, they may think twice.

You make it sound like it's a minority who ignore the 20 zones and not pretty much everyone including the police and council members.

what a waste of time, i understand around schools and shops you should reduce your speed, not every driver speeds, there is better roads in york that need these limits and south bank is not one of them, YCC are set out to destroy this fine city slowly ripping away its heart, and now destroying its arteries into this fine city, they are a waste of our money and our time,

Saracen wrote:
More signs to distract motorists. More stop / start to increase pollution. More frustrated citzens trying to go about their business. More rules which cannot be enforced. More contempt for the law. More incompetent and naive politicians concentrating on the wrong things.

Get the pot holes filled, the broken lights in the street signs repaired or cleaned if you want to imrove road safety - do the basic job you are there for.

well put

All they need to do is put speed bumps the size of a small mountain like the ones in my street, the drivers would then be forced to slow down or lose their exhausts.

AngelinaSpongebum wrote:
All they need to do is put speed bumps the size of a small mountain like the ones in my street, the drivers would then be forced to slow down or lose their exhausts.

Don't bother me. I have a 4x4.

By the way. Love the name!

Woody G Mellor wrote:

AngelinaSpongebum wrote:
All they need to do is put speed bumps the size of a small mountain like the ones in my street, the drivers would then be forced to slow down or lose their exhausts.

Don't bother me. I have a 4x4.

By the way. Love the name!

Probably got bull bars on the 4x4 as well. Helps increase the chance of killing a child while speeding over the bumps.

Kelly Smunt wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

AngelinaSpongebum wrote:
All they need to do is put speed bumps the size of a small mountain like the ones in my street, the drivers would then be forced to slow down or lose their exhausts.

Don't bother me. I have a 4x4.

By the way. Love the name!

Probably got bull bars on the 4x4 as well. Helps increase the chance of killing a child while speeding over the bumps.

Certainly have Smelly Ku...... Whoops. Nearly spelt your name wrong there!

Or, maybe not?

Woody G Mellor wrote:

Kelly Smunt wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

AngelinaSpongebum wrote: All they need to do is put speed bumps the size of a small mountain like the ones in my street, the drivers would then be forced to slow down or lose their exhausts.

Don't bother me. I have a 4x4. By the way. Love the name!

Probably got bull bars on the 4x4 as well. Helps increase the chance of killing a child while speeding over the bumps.

Certainly have Smelly Ku...... Whoops. Nearly spelt your name wrong there! Or, maybe not?

Watch out for Reg. WGM..... because such an arrogant person must also have a personalised plate.

bolero wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

Kelly Smunt wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

AngelinaSpongebum wrote: All they need to do is put speed bumps the size of a small mountain like the ones in my street, the drivers would then be forced to slow down or lose their exhausts.

Don't bother me. I have a 4x4. By the way. Love the name!

Probably got bull bars on the 4x4 as well. Helps increase the chance of killing a child while speeding over the bumps.

Certainly have Smelly Ku...... Whoops. Nearly spelt your name wrong there! Or, maybe not?

Watch out for Reg. WGM..... because such an arrogant person must also have a personalised plate.

Not thought of that, but I like the idea.

Ps. Cyclists and small children. Watch out for the extending spinning blades which come out of the hub caps as I'm tearing around Yorks residential streets.

Once or twice per week I drive up Bishopthorpe Road in South Bank. I shall make sure I go no faster than 17 mph just to annoy the morons on here who beleive the law does not apply to them. It does apply to you, just like paying taxes applies. The people who dodge paying their tax are anti-social dregs.

MouseHouse wrote:
Once or twice per week I drive up Bishopthorpe Road in South Bank. I shall make sure I go no faster than 17 mph just to annoy the morons on here who beleive the law does not apply to them. It does apply to you, just like paying taxes applies. The people who dodge paying their tax are anti-social dregs.

LOL!!! You stick with your minority pal. The majority of us will carry on ignoring the pointless speed limits whilst laughing in your faces. :0))

http://jalopnik.com/
5379603/naked-street
s-why-traffic-signs-
dont-make-us-safer

Please read this link and realise why things like speed limits and over abundant traffic signs are actually more dangerous then just letting us drive safely.
Although I could say the Renault twingo driver I saw on Malton Road going through the bus lane to force his way 2 spaces ahead was a pretty crappy driver too but he did his rule breaking at 10mph. Still a moron though

As I have said before... when you see a 20mph sign outside a school you go slower because the change in speed limit makes your brain trigger that it is 'special' and so requires careful driving. If everywhere is 20mph then the significance of the safety zone outside schools is lost, and in effect this could make it more dangerous for children going to/from school.

‘Stevie D says... 11:43am Sat 24 Nov 12
Agree with Woody that it's a complete waste of money. At a time when the council is having to cut back on essential services, there is absolutely no justification for vanity schemes like this that self-interested residents have demanded but that will have next-to-no positive effect.’


Don’t worry the council has spent money on art for within their new council offices.
Now that is a money wasting vanity project, so typical of the duplicitous council that we have in this city.

No money for real life essential schemes and services but plenty of money for art in their own offices!

I really hope that my council tax DEMAND does not go up next year due their taste in art!

James Alexander should resign over this and many other things!

PS:
20mph zones are a no go and another total waste of time, money and effort, about right for this council!

None of this is a surprise at all when we have a "National Campaign Manager" for the '20's Plenty For Us' and the Chair of '20's Plenty for York residential speed reduction campaign' sitting on the council...

Maybe if people actually looked at the people they are voting onto York Council rather than blindly marking the box next to the party they support nationally we wouldn't be in such a mess.

I think Faeceslius and Smelly should the go the whole hog and lobby the council for 10mph limits!

Woody G Mellor wrote:

MouseHouse wrote:
Once or twice per week I drive up Bishopthorpe Road in South Bank. I shall make sure I go no faster than 17 mph just to annoy the morons on here who beleive the law does not apply to them. It does apply to you, just like paying taxes applies. The people who dodge paying their tax are anti-social dregs.

LOL!!! You stick with your minority pal. The majority of us will carry on ignoring the pointless speed limits whilst laughing in your faces. :0))

Minority? You've taken a poll have you, or maybe you've just read the few dozen comments on here. You have no way of knowing the thoughts of the majority. I don't claim to be a majority or minority but I do claim to try my utmost to abide by all the laws and rules of the road. Unlike you.

I hope cyclists exceeding the 20mph limit or jumping red lights etc will be fined and have their bikes crushed
They are the ones who break most of the rules

MouseHouse wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

MouseHouse wrote:
Once or twice per week I drive up Bishopthorpe Road in South Bank. I shall make sure I go no faster than 17 mph just to annoy the morons on here who beleive the law does not apply to them. It does apply to you, just like paying taxes applies. The people who dodge paying their tax are anti-social dregs.

LOL!!! You stick with your minority pal. The majority of us will carry on ignoring the pointless speed limits whilst laughing in your faces. :0))

Minority? You've taken a poll have you, or maybe you've just read the few dozen comments on here. You have no way of knowing the thoughts of the majority. I don't claim to be a majority or minority but I do claim to try my utmost to abide by all the laws and rules of the road. Unlike you.

I don't need some fixed poll. I live on Bishy Rd, all I have to do is look out of my window and I can actually SEE for my self that the 20mph speed limit is being totally ignored by the majority of vehicles passing my house. I call that a result! But sadly, also a waste of our much needed money by a small group of self righteous individuals.

Woody G Mellor wrote:

MouseHouse wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

MouseHouse wrote:
Once or twice per week I drive up Bishopthorpe Road in South Bank. I shall make sure I go no faster than 17 mph just to annoy the morons on here who beleive the law does not apply to them. It does apply to you, just like paying taxes applies. The people who dodge paying their tax are anti-social dregs.

LOL!!! You stick with your minority pal. The majority of us will carry on ignoring the pointless speed limits whilst laughing in your faces. :0))

Minority? You've taken a poll have you, or maybe you've just read the few dozen comments on here. You have no way of knowing the thoughts of the majority. I don't claim to be a majority or minority but I do claim to try my utmost to abide by all the laws and rules of the road. Unlike you.

I don't need some fixed poll. I live on Bishy Rd, all I have to do is look out of my window and I can actually SEE for my self that the 20mph speed limit is being totally ignored by the majority of vehicles passing my house. I call that a result! But sadly, also a waste of our much needed money by a small group of self righteous individuals.

Firstly, looking out of your window is not evidence of most people breaking the speed limit. You will need a speed gun to provide hard substantive evidence.

Secondly unless you're there for a full 24 hour period, measuring th spped of every passing vehicle, you're only testing a sample of the traffic.

At the moment all you can claim is that in your opinion, based on your experience of traffic speed, over a certain period of time some people were over 20 mph.

It'd not stand up to proper statistical test would it!

MouseHouse wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

MouseHouse wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

MouseHouse wrote:
Once or twice per week I drive up Bishopthorpe Road in South Bank. I shall make sure I go no faster than 17 mph just to annoy the morons on here who beleive the law does not apply to them. It does apply to you, just like paying taxes applies. The people who dodge paying their tax are anti-social dregs.

LOL!!! You stick with your minority pal. The majority of us will carry on ignoring the pointless speed limits whilst laughing in your faces. :0))

Minority? You've taken a poll have you, or maybe you've just read the few dozen comments on here. You have no way of knowing the thoughts of the majority. I don't claim to be a majority or minority but I do claim to try my utmost to abide by all the laws and rules of the road. Unlike you.

I don't need some fixed poll. I live on Bishy Rd, all I have to do is look out of my window and I can actually SEE for my self that the 20mph speed limit is being totally ignored by the majority of vehicles passing my house. I call that a result! But sadly, also a waste of our much needed money by a small group of self righteous individuals.

Firstly, looking out of your window is not evidence of most people breaking the speed limit. You will need a speed gun to provide hard substantive evidence.

Secondly unless you're there for a full 24 hour period, measuring th spped of every passing vehicle, you're only testing a sample of the traffic.

At the moment all you can claim is that in your opinion, based on your experience of traffic speed, over a certain period of time some people were over 20 mph.

It'd not stand up to proper statistical test would it!

To be honest I couldn't care less. I can see it with my own eyes and that is good enough for me. End of.

M.Lucas wrote:
None of this is a surprise at all when we have a "National Campaign Manager" for the '20's Plenty For Us' and the Chair of '20's Plenty for York residential speed reduction campaign' sitting on the council...

Maybe if people actually looked at the people they are voting onto York Council rather than blindly marking the box next to the party they support nationally we wouldn't be in such a mess.

Good point. It's a mistake I made last time, but won't be making again.
I always voted Labour but they have shot themselves in the foot this time by letting a load of Green infiltrators in.

Woody G Mellor wrote:

MouseHouse wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

MouseHouse wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

MouseHouse wrote:
Once or twice per week I drive up Bishopthorpe Road in South Bank. I shall make sure I go no faster than 17 mph just to annoy the morons on here who beleive the law does not apply to them. It does apply to you, just like paying taxes applies. The people who dodge paying their tax are anti-social dregs.

LOL!!! You stick with your minority pal. The majority of us will carry on ignoring the pointless speed limits whilst laughing in your faces. :0))

Minority? You've taken a poll have you, or maybe you've just read the few dozen comments on here. You have no way of knowing the thoughts of the majority. I don't claim to be a majority or minority but I do claim to try my utmost to abide by all the laws and rules of the road. Unlike you.

I don't need some fixed poll. I live on Bishy Rd, all I have to do is look out of my window and I can actually SEE for my self that the 20mph speed limit is being totally ignored by the majority of vehicles passing my house. I call that a result! But sadly, also a waste of our much needed money by a small group of self righteous individuals.

Firstly, looking out of your window is not evidence of most people breaking the speed limit. You will need a speed gun to provide hard substantive evidence.

Secondly unless you're there for a full 24 hour period, measuring th spped of every passing vehicle, you're only testing a sample of the traffic.

At the moment all you can claim is that in your opinion, based on your experience of traffic speed, over a certain period of time some people were over 20 mph.

It'd not stand up to proper statistical test would it!

To be honest I couldn't care less. I can see it with my own eyes and that is good enough for me. End of.

This is the moronic logic that says if the law is broken the law does not apply.

Woody presumably thinks its ok to fiddle with kids because Jimmy Saville was never caught and murder is acceptable until they charge someone for Claudia Lawrence.

Kelly Smunt wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

MouseHouse wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

MouseHouse wrote:

Woody G Mellor wrote:

MouseHouse wrote:
Once or twice per week I drive up Bishopthorpe Road in South Bank. I shall make sure I go no faster than 17 mph just to annoy the morons on here who beleive the law does not apply to them. It does apply to you, just like paying taxes applies. The people who dodge paying their tax are anti-social dregs.

LOL!!! You stick with your minority pal. The majority of us will carry on ignoring the pointless speed limits whilst laughing in your faces. :0))

Minority? You've taken a poll have you, or maybe you've just read the few dozen comments on here. You have no way of knowing the thoughts of the majority. I don't claim to be a majority or minority but I do claim to try my utmost to abide by all the laws and rules of the road. Unlike you.

I don't need some fixed poll. I live on Bishy Rd, all I have to do is look out of my window and I can actually SEE for my self that the 20mph speed limit is being totally ignored by the majority of vehicles passing my house. I call that a result! But sadly, also a waste of our much needed money by a small group of self righteous individuals.

Firstly, looking out of your window is not evidence of most people breaking the speed limit. You will need a speed gun to provide hard substantive evidence.

Secondly unless you're there for a full 24 hour period, measuring th spped of every passing vehicle, you're only testing a sample of the traffic.

At the moment all you can claim is that in your opinion, based on your experience of traffic speed, over a certain period of time some people were over 20 mph.

It'd not stand up to proper statistical test would it!

To be honest I couldn't care less. I can see it with my own eyes and that is good enough for me. End of.

This is the moronic logic that says if the law is broken the law does not apply.

Woody presumably thinks its ok to fiddle with kids because Jimmy Saville was never caught and murder is acceptable until they charge someone for Claudia Lawrence.

And you obviously have a sick and twisted mind to make such an accusation which has no relevance whatsoever to the comments made. Grow up.

the point is the 20mph limit is stupid, pointless. I travel down there at least twice everyday. Nobody is obeying the 20mph zone at all. I've been in a string of traffic everyday since the new 20 zone came in and not once have i had to do 20 or less. As has been said above, the vehicles I have been along there with include police cars and council vehicles, and an ambulance just yesterday that was doing 30 (not on a call I should say). even a hurse on its way to the crem i was behind was doing 25mph!!!!

Bring it on I say. A complete waste of money but my experience of driving through the new 20mph zones has been a revelation. I thought that there would be sufficient people obeying the law to slow things down a little, how wrong was I. I have never seen the traffic moving so quickly in this area.

You get the sense that the majority of motorist seem to be doing exactly the opposite, a kind of up yours attitude, either that or they are thinking, well I am speeding anyway so what does it matter. Many have eyes fixed firmly in the rear view mirror to see if they are being followed by the police so for goodness sake don’t step out in front of them because they will not be looking.

I admit I am totally against this silly minority whim. I used to annoy everybody by doing 30 and I really don’t feel safe following some of the faster drivers who are now haring around in this so called 20mph zone.

You will note I said used to do 30 above, one thing this has taught me is to go with the flow instead of annoying everyone by following the rules. I now don’t have annoyed drivers right up my boot who I have to be careful of when braking and it feels a whole lot safer.

So thank you to the minority campaigners you appear to have made life for the driver a whole lot better with your ridicules money wasting 20mph campaign.

Total waste of time and money, gives residents false feeling of safety - unless it is enforced. We live in 20mph area, and traffic still travels at 30-40 mph (especially buses). When I drive at 20 mph always being tailgated by irate drivers. Council say its police responsibility, police say its the councils responsibility to design the road correctly - crazy!

I agree with above comments that this scheme is a total waste of money. I also live in a new 20mph area. No one takes any notice and drives above the new speed limit.

UNNEEDED AND UNWANTED!

I wonder how many signatures it would take for the another 20mph zone vote to be taken ?

Is there a mechanism for it to be removed ?

20 mph works in my area only if they see a police car parked and we have speed humps all do over 20 mph no it does not work

The policy of 20mph zones on wider 'through' roads has been brought about by non drivers such as Cllr Semelyn, and it completely disregards the fact that the pre existing speed limits that worked pretty well were based on giving legal status to the practical speed collectively adopted by the majority in free flowing traffic conditions.

It is plain to anyone with common sense rather than ideological views that a piecemeal attempt by local authorities to go against this plain truth is not only doomed to failure but risks actually creating new dangers and problems.

If it was clearly demonstrated that limiting speed to 20mph in urban areas was in the overall public interest, then it would need a national strategy from central government with a substantial budget to give it even a 50/50 chance of success.

Supposing everyone drove at 20 mph or less on the upper part of Bishopthorpe road, how is that going to help a child in their first year as a solo pedestrian cross the road at a relative's house in another town that is 30mph on a similar road?

A 20 mph limit is fine if that is what the road dictates, it won't work if it is imposed on the road.

I live on a street with a 20 mph limit and it is truly a waste of time.
even when school kids are abaout some do 30-40 .
Don't waste money on this crap please !