Deighton villagers show support for reduction of A19 speed limit

Villagers queue in Deighton to show their support for the lowering of the speed limit though the village

Villagers queue in Deighton to show their support for the lowering of the speed limit though the village

First published in News

VILLAGERS between York and Selby have shown their support for the reduction of a speed limit on a road past their homes.

City of York Council this week discussed reducing the speed limit on the A19 past Deighton, from 60mph to 40mph, following a petition from residents drawn up after a teenager was killed in a crash on the road.

The council has agreed to carry out a feasibility study, but has told residents that a decision will not be possible until the next financial year, in April.

Coun George Barton, of Wheldrake Ward, said he was behind the proposed reduction.

“I feel very strongly about it. I have stood there many times to watch the traffic, and was standing there with 50 villagers, watching traffic, including HGVs absolutely rattling by on a very dangerous bend.

“There’s been a fatal accident and another accident in the last few weeks, and villagers have had enough.”

He said villagers wanted signs up now and for lighting and rumble strips to be sorted out as soon as possible, which he said could be done in the time it takes for a feasibility study.

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9:54am Thu 22 Nov 12

BioLogic says...

The objective of a feasibility study is to ascertain if a 40mph limit is viable.

The A19 is a major Trunk Road and already suffers from major traffic issues, so reducing the speed limit here, just before Escrick, when it would be more appropriate to duel it and create pedestrian access walk ways is more likely.

Reducing the speed limit to 40 is also going to have very little impact on the risk of a fatality should there be a collision with a pedestrian.

So Coun Barton is rather foolish to suggest spending money on lighting and rumble strips that may not be viable or legal!
The objective of a feasibility study is to ascertain if a 40mph limit is viable. The A19 is a major Trunk Road and already suffers from major traffic issues, so reducing the speed limit here, just before Escrick, when it would be more appropriate to duel it and create pedestrian access walk ways is more likely. Reducing the speed limit to 40 is also going to have very little impact on the risk of a fatality should there be a collision with a pedestrian. So Coun Barton is rather foolish to suggest spending money on lighting and rumble strips that may not be viable or legal! BioLogic
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9:56am Thu 22 Nov 12

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Grammatically, the reduction of a speed limit would infer the lessening of a speed limit. Lessening a limit means less of a limit is imposed. At present the speed limit through Beighton is 60mph. Increasing the limit would bring speeds down more, to 50mph or less. Reducing the limit would imply speeds being allowed to rise. Therefore, villagers have shown their support for an enforcable reduction in speed, rather than a reduction in the speed limit.
Grammatically, the reduction of a speed limit would infer the lessening of a speed limit. Lessening a limit means less of a limit is imposed. At present the speed limit through Beighton is 60mph. Increasing the limit would bring speeds down more, to 50mph or less. Reducing the limit would imply speeds being allowed to rise. Therefore, villagers have shown their support for an enforcable reduction in speed, rather than a reduction in the speed limit. Ignatius Lumpopo
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9:57am Thu 22 Nov 12

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Sorry, Deighton, of course.
Sorry, Deighton, of course. Ignatius Lumpopo
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10:26am Thu 22 Nov 12

myselby says...

This is a major road with few houses by the side of it- even at 40mph some of the accidents would have still happened – if people do not follow the Highway Code there is no hope for them – also the police have said if the speed limit was reduced they could not “police” it. Wonder if the new PCC will make it a priority?
This is a major road with few houses by the side of it- even at 40mph some of the accidents would have still happened – if people do not follow the Highway Code there is no hope for them – also the police have said if the speed limit was reduced they could not “police” it. Wonder if the new PCC will make it a priority? myselby
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10:29am Thu 22 Nov 12

BioLogic says...

myselby wrote:
This is a major road with few houses by the side of it- even at 40mph some of the accidents would have still happened – if people do not follow the Highway Code there is no hope for them – also the police have said if the speed limit was reduced they could not “police” it. Wonder if the new PCC will make it a priority?
I doubt it. You will have to get the council to implement it first and that is very difficult, they have a points system and it's a bit like most supermarket loyalty cards. it takes a long long time to get enough points, then all it gets you is a flashing sign!
[quote][p][bold]myselby[/bold] wrote: This is a major road with few houses by the side of it- even at 40mph some of the accidents would have still happened – if people do not follow the Highway Code there is no hope for them – also the police have said if the speed limit was reduced they could not “police” it. Wonder if the new PCC will make it a priority?[/p][/quote]I doubt it. You will have to get the council to implement it first and that is very difficult, they have a points system and it's a bit like most supermarket loyalty cards. it takes a long long time to get enough points, then all it gets you is a flashing sign! BioLogic
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11:57am Thu 22 Nov 12

BertieBrompton says...

Get the granny off the road!
Get the granny off the road! BertieBrompton
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12:05pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Sawday2 says...

It's a major road - get over it. (Or stay on the pavement).
It's a major road - get over it. (Or stay on the pavement). Sawday2
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1:53pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Gary Gilmores Eyes says...

Judging by the photo
They want a 40mph limit to protect themselves from themselves, they can’t even stay on the pavement!
Do they also want a 40mph limit on the nearby (2 miles) dual carriageway A64 as well?
NIMBYS… they bought the house in the village right next to the A19, the road has not moved closer!
Judging by the photo They want a 40mph limit to protect themselves from themselves, they can’t even stay on the pavement! Do they also want a 40mph limit on the nearby (2 miles) dual carriageway A64 as well? NIMBYS… they bought the house in the village right next to the A19, the road has not moved closer! Gary Gilmores Eyes
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2:43pm Thu 22 Nov 12

ayork says...

Unless you've ever lived in Deighton you can't really comment or understand it. When I got off the bus and was crossing the road the traffic from Selby going past at 60mph is dangerous, it's poorly lit and drivers can not see the pedestrian crossing until its to late to slow down so if there is anyone crossing the risk is high. If it was a straight bit of road I could understand some of the comments on here but from the Selby direction the corner does make it dangerous as they do not see/expect people to be crossing.
Unless you've ever lived in Deighton you can't really comment or understand it. When I got off the bus and was crossing the road the traffic from Selby going past at 60mph is dangerous, it's poorly lit and drivers can not see the pedestrian crossing until its to late to slow down so if there is anyone crossing the risk is high. If it was a straight bit of road I could understand some of the comments on here but from the Selby direction the corner does make it dangerous as they do not see/expect people to be crossing. ayork
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2:46pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Jazzper says...

Gary Gilmores Eyes wrote:
Judging by the photo
They want a 40mph limit to protect themselves from themselves, they can’t even stay on the pavement!
Do they also want a 40mph limit on the nearby (2 miles) dual carriageway A64 as well?
NIMBYS… they bought the house in the village right next to the A19, the road has not moved closer!
Exactly...this is a busy 'A' road, the main link between York and Selby. People living there must have known this for sometime. I just cannot understand why they are making all this fuss. Have they NO thought for the hundreds of other people who use that road essentially every day!
[quote][p][bold]Gary Gilmores Eyes[/bold] wrote: Judging by the photo They want a 40mph limit to protect themselves from themselves, they can’t even stay on the pavement! Do they also want a 40mph limit on the nearby (2 miles) dual carriageway A64 as well? NIMBYS… they bought the house in the village right next to the A19, the road has not moved closer![/p][/quote]Exactly...this is a busy 'A' road, the main link between York and Selby. People living there must have known this for sometime. I just cannot understand why they are making all this fuss. Have they NO thought for the hundreds of other people who use that road essentially every day! Jazzper
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2:49pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Jazzper says...

From that photo they look like queuing for a bus for a pensioners mystery tour!
From that photo they look like queuing for a bus for a pensioners mystery tour! Jazzper
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2:51pm Thu 22 Nov 12

BioLogic says...

ayork wrote:
Unless you've ever lived in Deighton you can't really comment or understand it. When I got off the bus and was crossing the road the traffic from Selby going past at 60mph is dangerous, it's poorly lit and drivers can not see the pedestrian crossing until its to late to slow down so if there is anyone crossing the risk is high. If it was a straight bit of road I could understand some of the comments on here but from the Selby direction the corner does make it dangerous as they do not see/expect people to be crossing.
So what you need is a footbridge across the road or an underpass, not a 40mph speed limit!

It's a major trunk road linking two towns that has very high traffic flows at peak times. a 40mph limit there would cause delays as there is a 40mph limit further down the road for Escrick.

If you can't cross the road safely, don't cross the road.
[quote][p][bold]ayork[/bold] wrote: Unless you've ever lived in Deighton you can't really comment or understand it. When I got off the bus and was crossing the road the traffic from Selby going past at 60mph is dangerous, it's poorly lit and drivers can not see the pedestrian crossing until its to late to slow down so if there is anyone crossing the risk is high. If it was a straight bit of road I could understand some of the comments on here but from the Selby direction the corner does make it dangerous as they do not see/expect people to be crossing.[/p][/quote]So what you need is a footbridge across the road or an underpass, not a 40mph speed limit! It's a major trunk road linking two towns that has very high traffic flows at peak times. a 40mph limit there would cause delays as there is a 40mph limit further down the road for Escrick. If you can't cross the road safely, don't cross the road. BioLogic
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3:36pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Kevin Turvey says...

The photograph looks like a queue for a Ken Dodd gig, but without the ensuing comedy!

Either that or they are all trying to leave on the last bus out of town.
The photograph looks like a queue for a Ken Dodd gig, but without the ensuing comedy! Either that or they are all trying to leave on the last bus out of town. Kevin Turvey
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4:42pm Thu 22 Nov 12

yorkshirelad says...

In reality, many of these villages on trunk roads existed far before the road was really busy. It's very easy to dismiss these concerns, but we have some responsibility to make the road 'crossable' near these villages.

A lower speed limit might mean the possibility of getting across the road after getting off a bus. Without it, I can easily see how the road becomes an impenetrable barrier.

People who walk, cycle or use public transport (often as well as being car users) will understand this problem very well.

Sadly the group for whom a good walk is between their front door and their car will never understand life outside their car.

I don't know if it's an urban myth, but I heard a story from another village on the A19 about a taxi being provided in essence purely to get a child from one side of the A19 to the other to catch a school bus. Makes you think doesn't it?

Don't you love the footbridge suggestions! Classic.
In reality, many of these villages on trunk roads existed far before the road was really busy. It's very easy to dismiss these concerns, but we have some responsibility to make the road 'crossable' near these villages. A lower speed limit might mean the possibility of getting across the road after getting off a bus. Without it, I can easily see how the road becomes an impenetrable barrier. People who walk, cycle or use public transport (often as well as being car users) will understand this problem very well. Sadly the group for whom a good walk is between their front door and their car will never understand life outside their car. I don't know if it's an urban myth, but I heard a story from another village on the A19 about a taxi being provided in essence purely to get a child from one side of the A19 to the other to catch a school bus. Makes you think doesn't it? Don't you love the footbridge suggestions! Classic. yorkshirelad
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5:04pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Mullarkian says...

Why don't the council go the whole hog, make it 20mph and put speed humps & chicanes in like they do everywhere else in their area.
As for there being a corner in Deighton all I remember is a gradual bend on the approach to it and another one leaving it.
The A19 was there long before a developer stuck loads of houses there, it was just a pub & a few farm dwellings.
When the houses were built was the time to do something about safe access, but that would have meant 'planning', & there is precious little of that about these days.
Why don't the council go the whole hog, make it 20mph and put speed humps & chicanes in like they do everywhere else in their area. As for there being a corner in Deighton all I remember is a gradual bend on the approach to it and another one leaving it. The A19 was there long before a developer stuck loads of houses there, it was just a pub & a few farm dwellings. When the houses were built was the time to do something about safe access, but that would have meant 'planning', & there is precious little of that about these days. Mullarkian
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7:24pm Thu 22 Nov 12

jumbojet says...

A lot of nonsense spoken on this forum. Deighton used to be a few houses, a small agricultural shop, for any metal repairs and a Chapel , with the White Swan at the entrance to same. Now, in 2012, we have more houses, more people, more traffic, in and out, turning North or South, and the A19 traffic needs slowing down. Try and exit Deighton Top, as it is called, and has been for the last 70 years, to turn South, on a busy mid-week day. You are playing a game, and with very good reflexes you need to take extreme care. The A1 is a major trunk road, and it has some speed cameras in Lincolnshire, through various villages. Get the limit lowered, or put cameras up, what is the problem, cost, minimal, chances of more accidents, definitely. Do it, now.
A lot of nonsense spoken on this forum. Deighton used to be a few houses, a small agricultural shop, for any metal repairs and a Chapel [not a church as advertised for sale], with the White Swan at the entrance to same. Now, in 2012, we have more houses, more people, more traffic, in and out, turning North or South, and the A19 traffic needs slowing down. Try and exit Deighton Top, as it is called, and has been for the last 70 years, to turn South, on a busy mid-week day. You are playing a game, and with very good reflexes you need to take extreme care. The A1 is a major trunk road, and it has some speed cameras in Lincolnshire, through various villages. Get the limit lowered, or put cameras up, what is the problem, cost, minimal, chances of more accidents, definitely. Do it, now. jumbojet
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7:37pm Thu 22 Nov 12

ayork says...

BioLogic wrote:
ayork wrote:
Unless you've ever lived in Deighton you can't really comment or understand it. When I got off the bus and was crossing the road the traffic from Selby going past at 60mph is dangerous, it's poorly lit and drivers can not see the pedestrian crossing until its to late to slow down so if there is anyone crossing the risk is high. If it was a straight bit of road I could understand some of the comments on here but from the Selby direction the corner does make it dangerous as they do not see/expect people to be crossing.
So what you need is a footbridge across the road or an underpass, not a 40mph speed limit!

It's a major trunk road linking two towns that has very high traffic flows at peak times. a 40mph limit there would cause delays as there is a 40mph limit further down the road for Escrick.

If you can't cross the road safely, don't cross the road.
Come on of course a footbridge across the road or an underpass would not work in that area!

The only alternative to not crossing the road is to get a car and drive and then all I will be doing is making the congestion and pollution in York even worse.
[quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ayork[/bold] wrote: Unless you've ever lived in Deighton you can't really comment or understand it. When I got off the bus and was crossing the road the traffic from Selby going past at 60mph is dangerous, it's poorly lit and drivers can not see the pedestrian crossing until its to late to slow down so if there is anyone crossing the risk is high. If it was a straight bit of road I could understand some of the comments on here but from the Selby direction the corner does make it dangerous as they do not see/expect people to be crossing.[/p][/quote]So what you need is a footbridge across the road or an underpass, not a 40mph speed limit! It's a major trunk road linking two towns that has very high traffic flows at peak times. a 40mph limit there would cause delays as there is a 40mph limit further down the road for Escrick. If you can't cross the road safely, don't cross the road.[/p][/quote]Come on of course a footbridge across the road or an underpass would not work in that area! The only alternative to not crossing the road is to get a car and drive and then all I will be doing is making the congestion and pollution in York even worse. ayork
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7:51pm Thu 22 Nov 12

jumbojet says...

The cameras, two sets in fact, as you go South on the A1 are in Nottinghamshire, not Lincolnshire, near Gamston Airfield, South of Retford. So cameras and speed limits are not something new to major roads.
The cameras, two sets in fact, as you go South on the A1 are in Nottinghamshire, not Lincolnshire, near Gamston Airfield, South of Retford. So cameras and speed limits are not something new to major roads. jumbojet
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8:12pm Thu 22 Nov 12

yorkguy says...

May I Just make the point that the A19 is NOT a major trunk road! back in 2003 it was de trunked which means it is now run by City of York council and Just south of Deighton by NYCC which is why this stupid speed limit is been considered

I f this was a trunk road like the A64 then it would be very unlikely to get even a 50mph limit, for example West and East heslerton on the A64 near Scarborough have very similar problems but due to the A64 been trunk they can't even get a 50mph limit and 2 people have been killed crossing there in recent years!

The A19 will never get dualled now and will continue to be butchered by speed limits and traffic calming to try and divert long distance traffic away from the route!
May I Just make the point that the A19 is NOT a major trunk road! back in 2003 it was de trunked which means it is now run by City of York council and Just south of Deighton by NYCC which is why this stupid speed limit is been considered I f this was a trunk road like the A64 then it would be very unlikely to get even a 50mph limit, for example West and East heslerton on the A64 near Scarborough have very similar problems but due to the A64 been trunk they can't even get a 50mph limit and 2 people have been killed crossing there in recent years! The A19 will never get dualled now and will continue to be butchered by speed limits and traffic calming to try and divert long distance traffic away from the route! yorkguy
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1:56pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Ocifer Dibble says...

Of course, the police don't know what they are talking about:

Objecting to any speed limit changes in a representation to the council, North Yorkshire Police said speed had not been a factor in any of the ten recorded “injury accidents” in the area over the last three years.

The force said its data showed there was “no issue” with speed and safety problems were more associated with traffic volumes, but a 50mph limit would “achieve nothing tangible” and could even make the road less safe.
Of course, the police don't know what they are talking about: Objecting to any speed limit changes in a representation to the council, North Yorkshire Police said speed had not been a factor in any of the ten recorded “injury accidents” in the area over the last three years. The force said its data showed there was “no issue” with speed and safety problems were more associated with traffic volumes, but a 50mph limit would “achieve nothing tangible” and could even make the road less safe. Ocifer Dibble
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