Police commissioner elections were ‘a waste of time’

A YORK councillor has labelled the Police and Crime Commissioner elections “a stupid waste of time” but said the city’s residents should still have voted in greater numbers.

Last week, Conservative Julia Mulligan won the race for the £70,000-a-year North Yorkshire and York role, which gives the power to hire and fire chief constables and the responsibility for setting the force’s budget.

She beat Labour’s Ruth Potter, but only 12.8 per cent of the York electorate voted and turnout across the county was just 14.3 per cent, with 6,406 people spoiling their ballot papers.

Coun Dave Taylor, who represents Fishergate, said voters who ignored the election or sabotaged their ballot papers must “be aware of the result of their action or inaction”.

He said: “I’ve never been in favour of forcing people to vote and this election is clearly a stupid waste of time which hardly anybody supported – the fact more than 85 per cent of the North Yorkshire electorate didn’t vote is testament to that.

"However, unless they are Conservatives, I can’t imagine they’re very pleased to have a PCC based way out of York and from that particular party. If they didn’t vote, all they can do is moan about it.”

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9:52am Wed 21 Nov 12

bob the builder says...

I'm with the Prodigy lookalike on this one.
I'm with the Prodigy lookalike on this one. bob the builder
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10:10am Wed 21 Nov 12

Jim says...

Shouldn't think that too many people are bothered where the PCC is based.
What people seem to have cared about was the choice of candidates and as under our form of democracy we have the option of exercising or withholding our vote, if there's no suitable candidate what else can you do but withhold your vote?
Shouldn't think that too many people are bothered where the PCC is based. What people seem to have cared about was the choice of candidates and as under our form of democracy we have the option of exercising or withholding our vote, if there's no suitable candidate what else can you do but withhold your vote? Jim
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10:11am Wed 21 Nov 12

BL2 says...

I'd rather have anyone that isn't labour or lib-dem in, but I spoiled my vote as it should be non-political!
I'd rather have anyone that isn't labour or lib-dem in, but I spoiled my vote as it should be non-political! BL2
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10:40am Wed 21 Nov 12

voodoocol says...

Not voting is an action. Not only that but it is an action to which we have a legal right. An action which should in my eyes mean that a turnout of less than 15% invalidates the process as a whole. Julia Mulligan YOU HAVE NO MANDATE.
Not voting is an action. Not only that but it is an action to which we have a legal right. An action which should in my eyes mean that a turnout of less than 15% invalidates the process as a whole. Julia Mulligan YOU HAVE NO MANDATE. voodoocol
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10:41am Wed 21 Nov 12

voodoocol says...

and I don't mean that she should join match . com
and I don't mean that she should join match . com voodoocol
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11:06am Wed 21 Nov 12

nowthen says...

voodoocol wrote:
Not voting is an action. Not only that but it is an action to which we have a legal right. An action which should in my eyes mean that a turnout of less than 15% invalidates the process as a whole. Julia Mulligan YOU HAVE NO MANDATE.
Only 13.9% of York residents voted Labour in the last council elections , does that mean that Alexander doesn't have a mandate? I hope so.
[quote][p][bold]voodoocol[/bold] wrote: Not voting is an action. Not only that but it is an action to which we have a legal right. An action which should in my eyes mean that a turnout of less than 15% invalidates the process as a whole. Julia Mulligan YOU HAVE NO MANDATE.[/p][/quote]Only 13.9% of York residents voted Labour in the last council elections , does that mean that Alexander doesn't have a mandate? I hope so. nowthen
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11:09am Wed 21 Nov 12

sambo1943 says...

the reason i did'nt vote was , i can not see how either of the two candidates had enough experience to either select or advise a person with a least 25years in the police force on how to do their job and only have one person doing this job could make it open to coruption .it would have been better leaving it to a committee
the reason i did'nt vote was , i can not see how either of the two candidates had enough experience to either select or advise a person with a least 25years in the police force on how to do their job and only have one person doing this job could make it open to coruption .it would have been better leaving it to a committee sambo1943
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12:23pm Wed 21 Nov 12

cityforthepremier says...

Is this the same Dave Taylor who only got 11% of the votes of the Fishergate electorate? Another person with no mandate to start lecturing the public.
Is this the same Dave Taylor who only got 11% of the votes of the Fishergate electorate? Another person with no mandate to start lecturing the public. cityforthepremier
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12:55pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Um... there's a difference between the proportion of the vote someone gets and *the entire vote*
Um... there's a difference between the proportion of the vote someone gets and *the entire vote* Buzz Light-year
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1:25pm Wed 21 Nov 12

cityforthepremier says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Um... there's a difference between the proportion of the vote someone gets and *the entire vote*
It's still only 26% of the people who actually bothered to vote.
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Um... there's a difference between the proportion of the vote someone gets and *the entire vote*[/p][/quote]It's still only 26% of the people who actually bothered to vote. cityforthepremier
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1:31pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Digeorge says...

Voter apathy and lack of information.

There were other reasons why we didn't vote which included how can you vote for someone when one of your family works for the Police? They do their job regardless as to who would be at the top.
Voter apathy and lack of information. There were other reasons why we didn't vote which included how can you vote for someone when one of your family works for the Police? They do their job regardless as to who would be at the top. Digeorge
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1:36pm Wed 21 Nov 12

xtc says...

And £68000 on a bloody flame was well spent?get a grip mr Taylor you get paid by us are you worth it?
And £68000 on a bloody flame was well spent?get a grip mr Taylor you get paid by us are you worth it? xtc
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2:02pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Haywire says...

bob the builder wrote:
I'm with the Prodigy lookalike on this one.
Robert, I do agree with you on some things (definitely not regarding the insidious, road rage inducing, overtaking lanes on the bypass) - but I predict that you will eventually regret your support for this sorry farce.

The very last thing we need in this country is a police force in thrall to local political influence.
[quote][p][bold]bob the builder[/bold] wrote: I'm with the Prodigy lookalike on this one.[/p][/quote]Robert, I do agree with you on some things (definitely not regarding the insidious, road rage inducing, overtaking lanes on the bypass) - but I predict that you will eventually regret your support for this sorry farce. The very last thing we need in this country is a police force in thrall to local political influence. Haywire
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2:58pm Wed 21 Nov 12

lowbeam says...

I just want to share this with you,I sent Julia this message---
Comment: I would like to ask you one simple yes or no question if I may, Would YOU ever vote for some thing you did not agree with? No?... neither would I which is exactly why and thousands like me did not vote,
But of course if you answered Yes, then you would be the sort of person I would not vote for anyway.
But good look anyway

Time: Saturday November 17, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I got this reply........
Dear Mr------, many thanks for your note. Hopefully over the next few years I'll show that this will make a difference....
Thank you again
Kind regards
Julia

On 17 Nov 2012, at 13:49
now what does that tell you?
I just want to share this with you,I sent Julia this message--- Comment: I would like to ask you one simple yes or no question if I may, Would YOU ever vote for some thing you did not agree with? No?... neither would I which is exactly why and thousands like me did not vote, But of course if you answered Yes, then you would be the sort of person I would not vote for anyway. But good look anyway Time: Saturday November 17, 2012 at 1:49 pm I got this reply........ Dear Mr------, many thanks for your note. Hopefully over the next few years I'll show that this will make a difference.... Thank you again Kind regards Julia On 17 Nov 2012, at 13:49 now what does that tell you? lowbeam
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3:15pm Wed 21 Nov 12

meme says...

lowbeam............a
t least she replied. If we all took the view that because of low turnouts there was no mandate then most of our loccal politicians should not have a mandate. In fact all of them!
If lots choose not to vote that is their democratic right but does not make the vote any less valid. If you choose not to use it then you lose it! simple as that... No good moaning afterwards about the result as the labour candidate did!
If she had won she would have taken the opposite view.Political posturing its called!
Its a shame there was no Independent as I am sure he/she would have walked it as I voted for one party on the basis I knew the other would be terrible in the role. Not really the best of reasons but the best I could come up with at the time!
Lets see how this woman does? We may all be pleasantly suprised or the opposite. At least we should give her a chance
lowbeam............a t least she replied. If we all took the view that because of low turnouts there was no mandate then most of our loccal politicians should not have a mandate. In fact all of them! If lots choose not to vote that is their democratic right but does not make the vote any less valid. If you choose not to use it then you lose it! simple as that... No good moaning afterwards about the result as the labour candidate did! If she had won she would have taken the opposite view.Political posturing its called! Its a shame there was no Independent as I am sure he/she would have walked it as I voted for one party on the basis I knew the other would be terrible in the role. Not really the best of reasons but the best I could come up with at the time! Lets see how this woman does? We may all be pleasantly suprised or the opposite. At least we should give her a chance meme
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3:30pm Wed 21 Nov 12

MrsHoney says...

I think that rather than not vote if you really wanted to make a protest you should've had a spoiled vote. At least then you're actually making a point. How are they to distinguish between people who couldn't be bothered and people who were against it?

Personally I did vote, although I disagreed with it being political, seeing as they made it that way I didn't want a Labour candidate winning.

As for people complaining about there not being enough information, I searched on the web to find out about it. I'm sure these same people spend enough time surfing Facebook and the like to give up a little time to find out about it. As it was, Ruth Potter hadn't even bothered to update her profile at that point so she was really putting a lot of effort in!
I think that rather than not vote if you really wanted to make a protest you should've had a spoiled vote. At least then you're actually making a point. How are they to distinguish between people who couldn't be bothered and people who were against it? Personally I did vote, although I disagreed with it being political, seeing as they made it that way I didn't want a Labour candidate winning. As for people complaining about there not being enough information, I searched on the web to find out about it. I'm sure these same people spend enough time surfing Facebook and the like to give up a little time to find out about it. As it was, Ruth Potter hadn't even bothered to update her profile at that point so she was really putting a lot of effort in! MrsHoney
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5:20pm Wed 21 Nov 12

York1900 says...

There was no one worth voting for
because the over seeing crime and police panel was all ready stuffed with 7 Conservatives so they only needed 1 other to block any thing the PCC wanted to do or approve

So the only way of showing you had no faith in the election was not to vote or spoil your vote

The voters do not like been used to put some one in a job that puts costs on to there tax bills and only one person would get the full help of the crime and police panel

So all the tripe that government came up with was only to put some one in a over paid government job

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There was no one worth voting for because the over seeing crime and police panel was all ready stuffed with 7 Conservatives so they only needed 1 other to block any thing the PCC wanted to do or approve So the only way of showing you had no faith in the election was not to vote or spoil your vote The voters do not like been used to put some one in a job that puts costs on to there tax bills and only one person would get the full help of the crime and police panel So all the tripe that government came up with was only to put some one in a over paid government job . York1900
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5:45pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Caecilius says...

So Coun Taylor's understanding of "democracy" is that everyone should meekly accept the imposition of political control on the police, or any other arbitrary decision by the government of the day, and then dutifully turn out to vote for either (a) a member of the Labour Party or (b) a Conservative to implement it.

Well, his understanding is deficient, then. I'm sure that, as a politician, that's how he wants us to behave - and indeed it seems pretty close to the way things work within York's ruling Labour group - but it's not democracy. I don't want any political interference with the police from any party and, even if I'd been asked to vote on a measure that I actually agreed with, I wouldn't give either Labour or Conservatives the time of day. By "sabotaging" my ballot paper, as Coun Taylor puts it, I was sending that message loud and clear. Let's hope a lot more people do it in future - who knows, we might even achieve some genuine democracy in this country, or at least expose the current sham for what it is. Which is what the political class dreads.
So Coun Taylor's understanding of "democracy" is that everyone should meekly accept the imposition of political control on the police, or any other arbitrary decision by the government of the day, and then dutifully turn out to vote for either (a) a member of the Labour Party or (b) a Conservative to implement it. Well, his understanding is deficient, then. I'm sure that, as a politician, that's how he wants us to behave - and indeed it seems pretty close to the way things work within York's ruling Labour group - but it's not democracy. I don't want any political interference with the police from any party and, even if I'd been asked to vote on a measure that I actually agreed with, I wouldn't give either Labour or Conservatives the time of day. By "sabotaging" my ballot paper, as Coun Taylor puts it, I was sending that message loud and clear. Let's hope a lot more people do it in future - who knows, we might even achieve some genuine democracy in this country, or at least expose the current sham for what it is. Which is what the political class dreads. Caecilius
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12:00am Thu 22 Nov 12

andylaw3107 says...

Caecilius wrote:
So Coun Taylor's understanding of "democracy" is that everyone should meekly accept the imposition of political control on the police, or any other arbitrary decision by the government of the day, and then dutifully turn out to vote for either (a) a member of the Labour Party or (b) a Conservative to implement it.

Well, his understanding is deficient, then. I'm sure that, as a politician, that's how he wants us to behave - and indeed it seems pretty close to the way things work within York's ruling Labour group - but it's not democracy. I don't want any political interference with the police from any party and, even if I'd been asked to vote on a measure that I actually agreed with, I wouldn't give either Labour or Conservatives the time of day. By "sabotaging" my ballot paper, as Coun Taylor puts it, I was sending that message loud and clear. Let's hope a lot more people do it in future - who knows, we might even achieve some genuine democracy in this country, or at least expose the current sham for what it is. Which is what the political class dreads.
If you read the second paragraph of his quote, you'll note that his view is far less simple and controlling than you make it sound. The third paragraph merely states that only Conservatives could be happy with the result - he isn't saying anyone who doesn't support Conservatives is a fool not to have voted for Ruth. And as for the first paragraph, I think Dave was likely commenting that the people who either didn't vote or sabotaged their vote did so consciously - I think he is actually defending people's rights to do so (and highlighting that they did so to send a message), not condemning them for their 'action or inaction' (referring to 'spoiling' or 'not voting' respectively).

I can't speak for Dave, but neither can you. Quotes can be read in many different ways, dependent on context and juxtaposition. The way this article is written is a little ambiguous; you shouldn't judge people when you don't know what they really meant.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: So Coun Taylor's understanding of "democracy" is that everyone should meekly accept the imposition of political control on the police, or any other arbitrary decision by the government of the day, and then dutifully turn out to vote for either (a) a member of the Labour Party or (b) a Conservative to implement it. Well, his understanding is deficient, then. I'm sure that, as a politician, that's how he wants us to behave - and indeed it seems pretty close to the way things work within York's ruling Labour group - but it's not democracy. I don't want any political interference with the police from any party and, even if I'd been asked to vote on a measure that I actually agreed with, I wouldn't give either Labour or Conservatives the time of day. By "sabotaging" my ballot paper, as Coun Taylor puts it, I was sending that message loud and clear. Let's hope a lot more people do it in future - who knows, we might even achieve some genuine democracy in this country, or at least expose the current sham for what it is. Which is what the political class dreads.[/p][/quote]If you read the second paragraph of his quote, you'll note that his view is far less simple and controlling than you make it sound. The third paragraph merely states that only Conservatives could be happy with the result - he isn't saying anyone who doesn't support Conservatives is a fool not to have voted for Ruth. And as for the first paragraph, I think Dave was likely commenting that the people who either didn't vote or sabotaged their vote did so consciously - I think he is actually defending people's rights to do so (and highlighting that they did so to send a message), not condemning them for their 'action or inaction' (referring to 'spoiling' or 'not voting' respectively). I can't speak for Dave, but neither can you. Quotes can be read in many different ways, dependent on context and juxtaposition. The way this article is written is a little ambiguous; you shouldn't judge people when you don't know what they really meant. andylaw3107
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6:44am Thu 22 Nov 12

York1900 says...

the trouble with any news report is that it the reporter and the editor how much is reported and how it is edited to fit the space
You find this in most media that the report can be made to read many ways
You just have to make you own mind up to as how much spin as been put on it from all sides
A word missed out here and there can make a report read completely differently but yet have all the facts

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the trouble with any news report is that it the reporter and the editor how much is reported and how it is edited to fit the space You find this in most media that the report can be made to read many ways You just have to make you own mind up to as how much spin as been put on it from all sides A word missed out here and there can make a report read completely differently but yet have all the facts . York1900
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