First day in job for new police commissioner (From York Press)

'North Yorkshire’s police and crime panel, whose task is to hold the PCC to account and ensure transparency' Who are these people on this panel are they elected? I thought PCC were answerable to the public not a panel. This just proves what a wast of time and money the elections were,

I want the new police commissioner to understand that you do not have the mandate of the electorate.
The turn out was low and there was a high percentage of spoiled papers.

If you resign now you will be making the best possible political message.

Also better now before the inevitable scandal!

Also interesting choice of backdrop for a photo!
One so called elected white elephant standing in front of another expensive/bankrupt white elephant. Maybe signs of what is to come?

Have a nice day.

I thought it was a wheelie nice photo........

Gary Gilmore – Harsh but very true words felt by many!

I detect that the population is not happy with this one!

They will be even unhappier when they realise that the new roles have the power to raise revenue through increased council tax.

I wonder if that was the real reason for the roles?

A complete non-job. Career politicians have done a lot of damge to this country; now it seems the Police Force is next in line.

She should resign.

Can we know what the North Yorkshire’s police and crime panel will cost? is this one of the Quangos ? thought we had a bonfire of them a while ago

Like the ludicrous directly-elected mayors, the commissioners' role will be to force through yet more cuts.

As a Tory Ms Mulligan will probably embrace this with gusto, before blaming the last Labour government when it all goes belly-up.

Whole police commissioner thing has been a farce. Nationwide turnouts of about 15% say it all. Democracy will only be served by trashing the whole thing - unnecessary, unwanted waste of money.

Absolute disgrace - a 'non' job for somebody who'll collect big wages for very little work.

Shame on her.

A travesty of democracy! To argue that a 15% turn out equates to a popular mandate is ludicrous and has more on common with a third world dictatorship.

How far we have fallen!

That's one big Halo!

Ghost of Oscar Deutsch wrote:
That's one big Halo!

As in "Halo, Halo, Halo..."?

she needs to wear that wheel next time she goes to the races

Sends my eyes funny. Wheel looks like it is moving or is that just me. **** that last half of lager.

It was neither a 'race' nor a 'win', more a farce and an obvious outcome.

So the PCC keeps check on the police and a crime panel keeps check on the PCC...I hope they've got a squadron lined up to keep a check on the crime panel.
I thought these Tory liars were keen on reducing red-tape and bureaucracy?

As others have said, she didn't "win the race". To stick with the analogy, it's as if someone had arranged an Olympic 400m race which only Eric Pickles and John Prescott were allowed to enter, and then proclaimed that the winner, with a time of 17 minutes 43 seconds, was now the world champion. 86.7% of people in North Yorkshire don't want a political commissar put in charge of the police. Something like 92% specifically don't want Mrs Mulligan in the job. This is the sort of "democracy" you might have found in the old Soviet Union. And just to gave us a further taste of it, her boss, David Cameron, has announced today that 'ministers will crack down on "time-wasting" caused by the "massive growth industry" of legal challenges to government policy'. The idea of citizens daring to appeal to the law of the land against arbitrary decisions by a government of self-serving millionaires evidently outrages him. How can anyone with any sense fail to see the danger of letting such people gain control of the police?

Well good luck to her. She has more of a democratic mandate than the police authority who nobody voted for.

Theresa May and David Cameron have endorsed the principle that sparked this bright idea - that the New York Police Commissioner was used as an example over approachability and availability to the general public when walking down the street and given the "Hey 'Joe' - how's crime fighting and what's new with the cops?!" This was cited by the author of the report presented to the then Tory opposition, via their think-tank and driven (gimmickly), into their 2010 manifesto on the grounds that the police had to be more accountable to their public.So, for Mrs.Mulligan and her fellow P&CCs, no sitting behind desks in big fancy offices BUT, to get themselves out and about - all of the time - and speak to and engage with the public. Any sightings of this to the local cops!!!

pedalling paul wrote:
I thought it was a wheelie nice photo........

Who asked you to stick your spoke in

perplexed wrote:
A travesty of democracy! To argue that a 15% turn out equates to a popular mandate is ludicrous and has more on common with a third world dictatorship.

How far we have fallen!

Oh I think you will find we can fall a lot further yet.

Oh I think you will find we can fall a lot further yet.
we do! by constantly voting in the biggest set of lieing /two faced theives.
commonly known as the lab/con/libdum lot

North Yorkshire Police and Crime Panel – membership

Craven District Council
councilor Simon Myers
Conservative

Hambleton District Council
councilor Neville Huxtable
Conservative
Harrogate Borough Council
councilor Margaret Atkinson
Conservative

North Yorkshire County Council
councilor Carl Les
Conservative

Richmondshire District Council
councilor Mick Griffiths
Independents

Ryedale District Council
councilor Eric Hope
Conservative

Selby District Council
councilor Gillian Ivey
Conservative

Scarborough Borough Council
councilor Brian Simpson
Liberal Democrat

City of York Council
councilor Fiona Fitzpatrick
Labour

City of York Council
councilor Dafydd Williams
Labour

Independent Co-opted
Professor Gary Craig
N/A
Independent Co-opted
Santokh Singh Sidhu
N/A

6 Conservative 2 Labour 1 Liberal Democrat 1 Independents 2 Independent Co-opted

This is more or less the same make up as the old Police Authority

The old Police Authority failed to ole our last Chief Constable to account they gave him a slap ,on the wrists and allowed him to resign and secure his pension rights at ower cost

What chance is there that North Yorkshire Police and Crime Panel will vote against what the PCC wants to do no chance as the Conservatives have the majority on the panel

Police and Crime Panel veto only requires 8 members to veto the PCC plans or 8 members to give the PCC the go ahead

So as long as the PCC acts in the interest of the Conservative government it will be ok

So nothing as changed in North Yorkshire except that we have had a 70k+ and pension rights employee put on our tax bill

York1900 wrote:
North Yorkshire Police and Crime Panel – membership

Craven District Council
councilor Simon Myers
Conservative

Hambleton District Council
councilor Neville Huxtable
Conservative
Harrogate Borough Council
councilor Margaret Atkinson
Conservative

North Yorkshire County Council
councilor Carl Les
Conservative

Richmondshire District Council
councilor Mick Griffiths
Independents

Ryedale District Council
councilor Eric Hope
Conservative

Selby District Council
councilor Gillian Ivey
Conservative

Scarborough Borough Council
councilor Brian Simpson
Liberal Democrat

City of York Council
councilor Fiona Fitzpatrick
Labour

City of York Council
councilor Dafydd Williams
Labour

Independent Co-opted
Professor Gary Craig
N/A
Independent Co-opted
Santokh Singh Sidhu
N/A

6 Conservative 2 Labour 1 Liberal Democrat 1 Independents 2 Independent Co-opted

This is more or less the same make up as the old Police Authority

The old Police Authority failed to ole our last Chief Constable to account they gave him a slap ,on the wrists and allowed him to resign and secure his pension rights at ower cost

What chance is there that North Yorkshire Police and Crime Panel will vote against what the PCC wants to do no chance as the Conservatives have the majority on the panel

Police and Crime Panel veto only requires 8 members to veto the PCC plans or 8 members to give the PCC the go ahead

So as long as the PCC acts in the interest of the Conservative government it will be ok

So nothing as changed in North Yorkshire except that we have had a 70k+ and pension rights employee put on our tax bill

line should read
7 Conservative 2 Labour 1 Liberal Democrat 1 Independents 2 Independent Co-opted

The fact is that everyone had the oppotunity to exercise their democratic right. Yes, its a huge dissappointment that so many failed to make their mark. Better information about the candidates would have been a benefit and encouragement to the electorate. I think that consideration should be given to a tax payer funded leaflet in which each candidate gets, say, a 1000 words to state their case. Failing that, everyone who is truly against the appointment should go out and spoil their paper...........that would show real engagement and--- imagine the shame of the candidates were the number of spoilt papers to exceed the number of valid votes cast !

nearlyman wrote:
The fact is that everyone had the oppotunity to exercise their democratic right. Yes, its a huge dissappointment that so many failed to make their mark. Better information about the candidates would have been a benefit and encouragement to the electorate. I think that consideration should be given to a tax payer funded leaflet in which each candidate gets, say, a 1000 words to state their case. Failing that, everyone who is truly against the appointment should go out and spoil their paper...........that would show real engagement and--- imagine the shame of the candidates were the number of spoilt papers to exceed the number of valid votes cast !

the thing was that candidates were not officially confirmed till 25th of October
So none of the candidates had much time to get there information or pay for the cost of doing so that is why we only got a two party race for the job in North Yorkshire

The government went for the shortest possible time for the election so that only a few people would go out and vote

it was all set up that Conservatives would manage to get most of the PCC posts

Who could afford to have all that information ready to go out once they were confirmed as a candidates

That was what i was hoping for number of spoilt papers to exceed the number of valid votes cast

but I was only 1 of 6000+ in North Yorkshire

York1900 wrote:

York1900 wrote:
North Yorkshire Police and Crime Panel – membership

Craven District Council
councilor Simon Myers
Conservative

Hambleton District Council
councilor Neville Huxtable
Conservative
Harrogate Borough Council
councilor Margaret Atkinson
Conservative

North Yorkshire County Council
councilor Carl Les
Conservative

Richmondshire District Council
councilor Mick Griffiths
Independents

Ryedale District Council
councilor Eric Hope
Conservative

Selby District Council
councilor Gillian Ivey
Conservative

Scarborough Borough Council
councilor Brian Simpson
Liberal Democrat

City of York Council
councilor Fiona Fitzpatrick
Labour

City of York Council
councilor Dafydd Williams
Labour

Independent Co-opted
Professor Gary Craig
N/A
Independent Co-opted
Santokh Singh Sidhu
N/A

6 Conservative 2 Labour 1 Liberal Democrat 1 Independents 2 Independent Co-opted

This is more or less the same make up as the old Police Authority

The old Police Authority failed to ole our last Chief Constable to account they gave him a slap ,on the wrists and allowed him to resign and secure his pension rights at ower cost

What chance is there that North Yorkshire Police and Crime Panel will vote against what the PCC wants to do no chance as the Conservatives have the majority on the panel

Police and Crime Panel veto only requires 8 members to veto the PCC plans or 8 members to give the PCC the go ahead

So as long as the PCC acts in the interest of the Conservative government it will be ok

So nothing as changed in North Yorkshire except that we have had a 70k+ and pension rights employee put on our tax bill

line should read
7 Conservative 2 Labour 1 Liberal Democrat 1 Independents 2 Independent Co-opted

When you finally find information on this Panel, which appears to have been in operation for some months, you see the same bureaucratic set-up as other local authority committees. The public has not been properly informed of its existence or its functions, but they may attend and raise relevant questions, providing they give three days notice!
The next Meeting is in two days time 22nd Nov in Harrogate so you are too late now..
For further information on the next panel Meeting see link below.
https://www3.northyo
rks.gov.uk/n3cabinet
_comm/policeandcrime
p_/agendas_/20121122
policea/2012-11-22-P
oliceandCrimePanelAg
enda.pdf.

Democracy this isn't!

Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:

York1900 wrote:

York1900 wrote:
North Yorkshire Police and Crime Panel – membership

Craven District Council
councilor Simon Myers
Conservative

Hambleton District Council
councilor Neville Huxtable
Conservative
Harrogate Borough Council
councilor Margaret Atkinson
Conservative

North Yorkshire County Council
councilor Carl Les
Conservative

Richmondshire District Council
councilor Mick Griffiths
Independents

Ryedale District Council
councilor Eric Hope
Conservative

Selby District Council
councilor Gillian Ivey
Conservative

Scarborough Borough Council
councilor Brian Simpson
Liberal Democrat

City of York Council
councilor Fiona Fitzpatrick
Labour

City of York Council
councilor Dafydd Williams
Labour

Independent Co-opted
Professor Gary Craig
N/A
Independent Co-opted
Santokh Singh Sidhu
N/A

6 Conservative 2 Labour 1 Liberal Democrat 1 Independents 2 Independent Co-opted

This is more or less the same make up as the old Police Authority

The old Police Authority failed to ole our last Chief Constable to account they gave him a slap ,on the wrists and allowed him to resign and secure his pension rights at ower cost

What chance is there that North Yorkshire Police and Crime Panel will vote against what the PCC wants to do no chance as the Conservatives have the majority on the panel

Police and Crime Panel veto only requires 8 members to veto the PCC plans or 8 members to give the PCC the go ahead

So as long as the PCC acts in the interest of the Conservative government it will be ok

So nothing as changed in North Yorkshire except that we have had a 70k+ and pension rights employee put on our tax bill

line should read
7 Conservative 2 Labour 1 Liberal Democrat 1 Independents 2 Independent Co-opted

When you finally find information on this Panel, which appears to have been in operation for some months, you see the same bureaucratic set-up as other local authority committees. The public has not been properly informed of its existence or its functions, but they may attend and raise relevant questions, providing they give three days notice!
The next Meeting is in two days time 22nd Nov in Harrogate so you are too late now..
For further information on the next panel Meeting see link below.
https://www3.northyo

rks.gov.uk/n3cabinet

_comm/policeandcrime

p_/agendas_/20121122

policea/2012-11-22-P

oliceandCrimePanelAg

enda.pdf.

Democracy this isn't!

But you have now engaged by finding out what you have and will be able to make the next meeting. All through the power of the net !

That's one massive hat she's got on - is that part of the uniform?

Its almost ironic that she is posing at the scene of one of the biggest financial crimes against the city what with all that money previous operaters apparently owe !

It is just the same closed shop as before were you have to go looking for the information

It is not open unless you can find stuff out before hand

Meetings held with out giving public notice of the meeting

The local councilors on the panel should have a duty to let there there local people know when these meetings are going to take place so people can attend if they wish

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I just wish I had a clue as to what they are supposed to actually do?

I will reserve judgement on the role until they've been in post for a while to see what wonders they have achieved!

Big Nic wrote:
I just wish I had a clue as to what they are supposed to actually do?

I will reserve judgement on the role until they've been in post for a while to see what wonders they have achieved!

Well North Yorkshire as not had a change in who is in control of North Yorkshire Police at all

Good luck, I suspect she might need it seeing as most people are against all of this! She will probably need a tough skin but no doubt will press ahead with governemnt cuts regardless.

Good luck to Tim Madgwick or whoever as they will need it too!