Gunpowder, treason and plod...

York Press: Runners get set for the Gunpowder Plod Runners get set for the Gunpowder Plod

THE sky erupted into colour and the crowds ran through an avenue of fire as Guy Fawkes returned to his native York to tell the story of the original Gunpowder Plot.

More than ten thousand people crowded on to Knavesmire for a Bonfire Night to remember.

Trevor Rooney, who heads a York ghost walk, donned the character of the infamous plotter from 1605 to start 1,500 runners on the 5km Gunpowder Plod whose route was lined with pyrotechniques, a fiery tower and ground-level light extravaganzas.

Then a huge bonfire blazed across Knavesmire.

The firework spectacular which was due to start at 8pm was delayed for 45 minutes due to several people running on to a restricticted area. The police had to be called to remove them before the main event could begin.

The crowd waited patiently and were kept amused with live music, entertainment, food and drink.

"Everyone is having a really good time," said Danielle Brodie, marketing manager for organisers Rat Race Adventure Sports.

After starting the energetic plodders off on their memorable 5km, Guy Fawkes entertained the less energetic attenders with the story of how he and his fellow conspirators nearly blew up the Houses of Parliament.

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The event was expected to bring £500,000 into the York economy and involved 100 Yorkshire businesses of many different kinds.

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9:56am Tue 6 Nov 12

sortyorkout says...

"Everyone is having a really good time," said Danielle Brodie, marketing manager for organisers Rat Race Adventure Sports.

Let me start this feedback page by saying Danielle, you were clearly at a different Rat Race venue last night. People were leaving in their hundreds before the fireworks started it was that badly organised. An hour long delay for fireworks? 45 minute queues for food and drink? No communication at all as to when the fireworks started. By the time a lot of people got their having been at work that day, the fire was practically out.
If people had strayed onto the fallout zone for the fireworks, what were your security team doing about it?
I will be writing a letter of complaint and expecting a full refund for my family. I wish I had not paid as when i showed my ticket email, no one checked it and just waved us through.

What a massive disappointment.
"Everyone is having a really good time," said Danielle Brodie, marketing manager for organisers Rat Race Adventure Sports. Let me start this feedback page by saying Danielle, you were clearly at a different Rat Race venue last night. People were leaving in their hundreds before the fireworks started it was that badly organised. An hour long delay for fireworks? 45 minute queues for food and drink? No communication at all as to when the fireworks started. By the time a lot of people got their having been at work that day, the fire was practically out. If people had strayed onto the fallout zone for the fireworks, what were your security team doing about it? I will be writing a letter of complaint and expecting a full refund for my family. I wish I had not paid as when i showed my ticket email, no one checked it and just waved us through. What a massive disappointment. sortyorkout
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9:58am Tue 6 Nov 12

Susaneallan says...

Not how I remembered it! I had an awful night-Poor management and lack of organisation!
Just Look at twitter and Facebook pages-People did not enjoy themselves last night!
Not how I remembered it! I had an awful night-Poor management and lack of organisation! Just Look at twitter and Facebook pages-People did not enjoy themselves last night! Susaneallan
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10:00am Tue 6 Nov 12

AngryandFrustrated says...

Errrr, were the Press at a different event to the one that disgruntled punters have posted on, on the earlier story? No organisation, hour long queues for drinks, the 5km run going off late and no fireworks at the 8pm starting time (or even 8.30pm or 8.45pm)?

£12 per head. Rip off Rat Race Race pure and simple. People of York left disappointed. People of Rat Race running for the hills with their bags of ill gotten cash.

Sort it out CofYC - stop allowing these businesses to rip us off akin to the Santa Claus thing last year. Follow the example of other towns and villages. People come for a good firework display, plain and simple. They don't come for to queue for drinks, food races etc. Is it really so hard to do?
Errrr, were the Press at a different event to the one that disgruntled punters have posted on, on the earlier story? No organisation, hour long queues for drinks, the 5km run going off late and no fireworks at the 8pm starting time (or even 8.30pm or 8.45pm)? £12 per head. Rip off Rat Race Race pure and simple. People of York left disappointed. People of Rat Race running for the hills with their bags of ill gotten cash. Sort it out CofYC - stop allowing these businesses to rip us off akin to the Santa Claus thing last year. Follow the example of other towns and villages. People come for a good firework display, plain and simple. They don't come for to queue for drinks, food races etc. Is it really so hard to do? AngryandFrustrated
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10:02am Tue 6 Nov 12

dougz50 says...

I have to say...this was a very poor setup. The fireworks being delayed so long was a real disappointment. I know you can not help the cold, but people where so cold and many starting leaving before the fireworks. My kids did not get home till after 10pm on a school night.

If you knew you had 10,000 people attending, you should of had many more food stalls...I queued 45 mins for a hog roast sandwich and a cup of tea which was desprately needed to keep myself warm.

What happened to the bonfire? It was alight for 15 mins then it disappeared.... very poorly run in the end and overpriced.

A big hoohah about having a ticket with a barcode on.... then you had young girls on the entrance just waving people through??
I have to say...this was a very poor setup. The fireworks being delayed so long was a real disappointment. I know you can not help the cold, but people where so cold and many starting leaving before the fireworks. My kids did not get home till after 10pm on a school night. If you knew you had 10,000 people attending, you should of had many more food stalls...I queued 45 mins for a hog roast sandwich and a cup of tea which was desprately needed to keep myself warm. What happened to the bonfire? It was alight for 15 mins then it disappeared.... very poorly run in the end and overpriced. A big hoohah about having a ticket with a barcode on.... then you had young girls on the entrance just waving people through?? dougz50
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10:02am Tue 6 Nov 12

F1shf@ce says...

I'm questioning whether this reporter was actually at this farce of an event!
I'm questioning whether this reporter was actually at this farce of an event! F1shf@ce
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10:04am Tue 6 Nov 12

HTC says...

This was possibly the worst organisation of an event I've attended, right from the word go.

As a runner the scenes were chaotic, from arrival there was no information, just long queues. Queue to find your runner's number pinned on a board in the dark (could have been emailed to me with my ticket). Queue to sign the liability form (could have been posted to me, or print at home). Queue to get the runner's pack (having paid £25 this could have been posted to me.

Poor organisation is what caused the delay to the fireworks as we'd been told about the delay by 6pm so to blame people who were on the racecourse after 8pm is incredulous.

Once the shambolic run was over there was another massive queue for a bottle of water and then the horror of the snaking queues for the food were unbelievable.

We were joking yesterday that the press would have their rose tinted glasses on for this one and ignore how awful this event was and how right we were judging by this article.

I just hope some families managed to have a good time, but so far I haven't heard from any.
This was possibly the worst organisation of an event I've attended, right from the word go. As a runner the scenes were chaotic, from arrival there was no information, just long queues. Queue to find your runner's number pinned on a board in the dark (could have been emailed to me with my ticket). Queue to sign the liability form (could have been posted to me, or print at home). Queue to get the runner's pack (having paid £25 this could have been posted to me. Poor organisation is what caused the delay to the fireworks as we'd been told about the delay by 6pm so to blame people who were on the racecourse after 8pm is incredulous. Once the shambolic run was over there was another massive queue for a bottle of water and then the horror of the snaking queues for the food were unbelievable. We were joking yesterday that the press would have their rose tinted glasses on for this one and ignore how awful this event was and how right we were judging by this article. I just hope some families managed to have a good time, but so far I haven't heard from any. HTC
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10:06am Tue 6 Nov 12

lifesabeach says...

sortyorkout wrote:
"Everyone is having a really good time," said Danielle Brodie, marketing manager for organisers Rat Race Adventure Sports.

Let me start this feedback page by saying Danielle, you were clearly at a different Rat Race venue last night. People were leaving in their hundreds before the fireworks started it was that badly organised. An hour long delay for fireworks? 45 minute queues for food and drink? No communication at all as to when the fireworks started. By the time a lot of people got their having been at work that day, the fire was practically out.
If people had strayed onto the fallout zone for the fireworks, what were your security team doing about it?
I will be writing a letter of complaint and expecting a full refund for my family. I wish I had not paid as when i showed my ticket email, no one checked it and just waved us through.

What a massive disappointment.
I have to agree, it was an utter sham from start to finish. Not enough security staff getting in and out - how some one didnt get killed or injured because they allowed drivers to reverse into the unlit street outside the entrance unsupervised, with thousands of people walking along I do not know. No announcements to let people know what was going on. Not enough food/drink outlets - we just didnt bother - so no money raised there then.

We were promised a night of fireworks with music from this years sporting highlights. Couldnt hear a thing!! Utter Rubbish Bring back fireworks by the river the money raised by people coming into this city of Guy Fawlkes history would support businesses and bring money into our city centre.
[quote][p][bold]sortyorkout[/bold] wrote: "Everyone is having a really good time," said Danielle Brodie, marketing manager for organisers Rat Race Adventure Sports. Let me start this feedback page by saying Danielle, you were clearly at a different Rat Race venue last night. People were leaving in their hundreds before the fireworks started it was that badly organised. An hour long delay for fireworks? 45 minute queues for food and drink? No communication at all as to when the fireworks started. By the time a lot of people got their having been at work that day, the fire was practically out. If people had strayed onto the fallout zone for the fireworks, what were your security team doing about it? I will be writing a letter of complaint and expecting a full refund for my family. I wish I had not paid as when i showed my ticket email, no one checked it and just waved us through. What a massive disappointment.[/p][/quote]I have to agree, it was an utter sham from start to finish. Not enough security staff getting in and out - how some one didnt get killed or injured because they allowed drivers to reverse into the unlit street outside the entrance unsupervised, with thousands of people walking along I do not know. No announcements to let people know what was going on. Not enough food/drink outlets - we just didnt bother - so no money raised there then. We were promised a night of fireworks with music from this years sporting highlights. Couldnt hear a thing!! Utter Rubbish Bring back fireworks by the river the money raised by people coming into this city of Guy Fawlkes history would support businesses and bring money into our city centre. lifesabeach
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10:07am Tue 6 Nov 12

lowbeam says...

A very good advert for Trevor Rooney who's only contribution to our fair city is to clog it up with people (aka tourists) that think it is their right to stand where they please thus stopping us lesser mortals (aka residents) from using our pavements,I once asked him if his crowd would move to allow passage for a lady and her children,he told me in no uncertain terms where to "shove it"

no wonder someone punched him!
A very good advert for Trevor Rooney who's only contribution to our fair city is to clog it up with people (aka tourists) that think it is their right to stand where they please thus stopping us lesser mortals (aka residents) from using our pavements,I once asked him if his crowd would move to allow passage for a lady and her children,he told me in no uncertain terms where to "shove it" no wonder someone punched him! lowbeam
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10:08am Tue 6 Nov 12

kelly80 says...

An absolute farce we described it as, nowhere near enough facilities to cater for 10k people! Toilets in the dark....not that I needed to use them as we couldn't get anything to eat or drink due to endless queues!
There should have been an announcement regarding the delay on the fireworks, hundreds of people had small children there.....you can't help the weather but you couldn't even get a brew to warm up!
Total rip off!
An absolute farce we described it as, nowhere near enough facilities to cater for 10k people! Toilets in the dark....not that I needed to use them as we couldn't get anything to eat or drink due to endless queues! There should have been an announcement regarding the delay on the fireworks, hundreds of people had small children there.....you can't help the weather but you couldn't even get a brew to warm up! Total rip off! kelly80
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10:09am Tue 6 Nov 12

ceebeelee says...

York Press??? You disgust me!! In no sense of the word have you 'reported' what actually went on last night!!!

I'm sure the endless comments that will be made about last night might suggest to you that if you are going to report on an event actually go there!
York Press??? You disgust me!! In no sense of the word have you 'reported' what actually went on last night!!! I'm sure the endless comments that will be made about last night might suggest to you that if you are going to report on an event actually go there! ceebeelee
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10:12am Tue 6 Nov 12

TGS1984 says...

"Then a huge bonfire blazed across Knavesmire" - not at 7.15pm when we arrived! It was a dark field with a long extinguished fire at that time.

There were not enough food stands, so we went hungry.

The fireworks were more like 55 minutes late, and there was no information given as to why, or how long the wait would be.

It was a poorly organised shambles, and I'm disappointed at this inaccurate report of it.

At over £10 per ticket, I shall certainly not attend again. Better off in a pub garden!
"Then a huge bonfire blazed across Knavesmire" - not at 7.15pm when we arrived! It was a dark field with a long extinguished fire at that time. There were not enough food stands, so we went hungry. The fireworks were more like 55 minutes late, and there was no information given as to why, or how long the wait would be. It was a poorly organised shambles, and I'm disappointed at this inaccurate report of it. At over £10 per ticket, I shall certainly not attend again. Better off in a pub garden! TGS1984
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10:12am Tue 6 Nov 12

Walton71 says...

Please someone stop me laughing with Hysteric’s "Everyone is having a really good time," said Danielle Brodie, marketing manager for organisers Rat Race Adventure Sports.

Absolute JOKE!! Who ever organised this should be put on the next bonfire honestly it was so badly organised! I left at 8.50pm and there was no sign of any fireworks, no stewards to ask and as for the lighting around the area, well it was non existent.

I see on the Rat Race Adventure website they have a "No fuss returns policy" well, if I had paid for a ticket I know I would be looking for a refund full stop! There is now another Shambles in York and it was on the Knavesmire last night! The organisers will now be riding into the sunset with there bags of cash laughing all the way to the bank!

We may aswell let the chuckle brothers organise next year's event be better organised!”
Please someone stop me laughing with Hysteric’s "Everyone is having a really good time," said Danielle Brodie, marketing manager for organisers Rat Race Adventure Sports. Absolute JOKE!! Who ever organised this should be put on the next bonfire honestly it was so badly organised! I left at 8.50pm and there was no sign of any fireworks, no stewards to ask and as for the lighting around the area, well it was non existent. I see on the Rat Race Adventure website they have a "No fuss returns policy" well, if I had paid for a ticket I know I would be looking for a refund full stop! There is now another Shambles in York and it was on the Knavesmire last night! The organisers will now be riding into the sunset with there bags of cash laughing all the way to the bank! We may aswell let the chuckle brothers organise next year's event be better organised!” Walton71
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10:17am Tue 6 Nov 12

voteofnoconfidence says...

These large events always flatter to decieve. For a great night the best place to be was The Fox on poppleton road.
Stu the landlord puts on a great display, it started pretty much on time and was enjoyed by all.
For a reletively small venue, several hundred people had a great night and at £3 for adults and kids for free it didnt break the bank.
Well Done
These large events always flatter to decieve. For a great night the best place to be was The Fox on poppleton road. Stu the landlord puts on a great display, it started pretty much on time and was enjoyed by all. For a reletively small venue, several hundred people had a great night and at £3 for adults and kids for free it didnt break the bank. Well Done voteofnoconfidence
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10:17am Tue 6 Nov 12

SomeoneFromYork says...

There's no way this reporter was at the same event.

Check the #gunpowderplod tag on twitter if you want a more realistic view of this farce.
There's no way this reporter was at the same event. Check the #gunpowderplod tag on twitter if you want a more realistic view of this farce. SomeoneFromYork
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10:18am Tue 6 Nov 12

Happytoliveinyork says...

The Press were obvioulsy not at the same event I was at.

This was without a doubt the worst organised event I have ever attended.

We were promised food and drink to watch the fireworks.

Huge and I mean HUGE queues for ever food stall - don't even get me started on the bar!

Just feel sorry for all the families with youngsters who left in droves after all the delays.
The Press were obvioulsy not at the same event I was at. This was without a doubt the worst organised event I have ever attended. We were promised food and drink to watch the fireworks. Huge and I mean HUGE queues for ever food stall - don't even get me started on the bar! Just feel sorry for all the families with youngsters who left in droves after all the delays. Happytoliveinyork
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10:22am Tue 6 Nov 12

BKKYorkshireboy says...

See everyone's comments under "Bonfire Night celebrations in and around York" article and you will soon see this was a "Bonfire Night to remember".. for all the wrong reasons!!
See everyone's comments under "Bonfire Night celebrations in and around York" article and you will soon see this was a "Bonfire Night to remember".. for all the wrong reasons!! BKKYorkshireboy
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10:22am Tue 6 Nov 12

RenRoyale says...

Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze.
It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice.
As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater!

I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks!
Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks! RenRoyale
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10:28am Tue 6 Nov 12

bexxter000 says...

Awful night last night, clearly the press were at a different event. We turned up a bit later mainly to see the fireworks - the bonfire had completely gone out - err its "bonfire night" Some people were queuing 1.5 hours for food and drink, clearly the organisers assumed no one would need refreshment at the event? It was even a half hour queue for the bouncy castles and slides. Left before the fireworks as our little boy had completely had enough. Rip off rat race, appalled at having to spend £10 a head to such a poorly organised event. Will be writing a complaint letter as it just isn't acceptable when you are marketing the event as child friendly. It was obvious that the delay was known about way in advance due to the runners going off late.
Ended up watching the fireworks whilst walking back to the car, along with half of York, the clever ones who hadn't paid a small fortune for the over priced tickets! Absolute disgrace!
Awful night last night, clearly the press were at a different event. We turned up a bit later mainly to see the fireworks - the bonfire had completely gone out - err its "bonfire night" Some people were queuing 1.5 hours for food and drink, clearly the organisers assumed no one would need refreshment at the event? It was even a half hour queue for the bouncy castles and slides. Left before the fireworks as our little boy had completely had enough. Rip off rat race, appalled at having to spend £10 a head to such a poorly organised event. Will be writing a complaint letter as it just isn't acceptable when you are marketing the event as child friendly. It was obvious that the delay was known about way in advance due to the runners going off late. Ended up watching the fireworks whilst walking back to the car, along with half of York, the clever ones who hadn't paid a small fortune for the over priced tickets! Absolute disgrace! bexxter000
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10:29am Tue 6 Nov 12

dougz50 says...

RenRoyale wrote:
Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks!
Family friendly?? hour long queues is not family friendly.... fireworks were advertised at 8pm not 8.45pm.... so we made out choice to see fireworks at 8pm ....you got to the bar because the majority of "moaning minnies" were families, who had paid good money to attend a shambles.

As for being cold...people were prepared to wait from 6.30 until 8.00 to see fireworks... but after 8pm with nothing left to do but stand patiently for 45 mins.... the cold did set in.

Glad you had a good time though... you was clearly a minority.
[quote][p][bold]RenRoyale[/bold] wrote: Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks![/p][/quote]Family friendly?? hour long queues is not family friendly.... fireworks were advertised at 8pm not 8.45pm.... so we made out choice to see fireworks at 8pm ....you got to the bar because the majority of "moaning minnies" were families, who had paid good money to attend a shambles. As for being cold...people were prepared to wait from 6.30 until 8.00 to see fireworks... but after 8pm with nothing left to do but stand patiently for 45 mins.... the cold did set in. Glad you had a good time though... you was clearly a minority. dougz50
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10:29am Tue 6 Nov 12

ceebeelee says...

RenRoyale wrote:
Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze.
It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice.
As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater!

I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks!
Family friendly? Are you kidding me. My 3 year old didn't enjoy herself in the slightest. One bouncy castle and a creepy tent? She can handle a late night but this pushed her to the limit!!!
[quote][p][bold]RenRoyale[/bold] wrote: Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks![/p][/quote]Family friendly? Are you kidding me. My 3 year old didn't enjoy herself in the slightest. One bouncy castle and a creepy tent? She can handle a late night but this pushed her to the limit!!! ceebeelee
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10:32am Tue 6 Nov 12

I'mALaydee says...

Although it's refreshing to find someone who did enjoy last night, RenRoyale is obviously in the minority and can't possibly have any kids if s/he thinks it was 'family friendly'.
Although it's refreshing to find someone who did enjoy last night, RenRoyale is obviously in the minority and can't possibly have any kids if s/he thinks it was 'family friendly'. I'mALaydee
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10:36am Tue 6 Nov 12

Bebellebe says...

I agree with the above comments it was poorly organised going along to support people on the run was a nightmare no directions were given to spectators as to where to best watch the race the start was barely signalled the guy on stage did not alert the crowd to the fact it had even started, and the finish passed with hardly a mention or celebration felt like the left hand didn't know what the right was doing. Again bonfire nearly dead by half six, and over an hours delay on the fireworks despite promises from the over zealous compare that they would be just a few moments. Queues were crazy which is to be expected at any big event but there were simply not enough outlets especially as rat race wanted people to book online so they had an idea of numbers but didn't seem to increase facilities. Also the areas that needed to be lit like the walk past the racecourse into the event and toilets were pitch dark, saw people trip on the way out as they couldn't see where they were going.
But what annoyed me most was the fireworks were set to music but at the same time the next band on decided to do there sound checks while the fireworks were on which proved distracting! Shambolic!
I agree with the above comments it was poorly organised going along to support people on the run was a nightmare no directions were given to spectators as to where to best watch the race the start was barely signalled the guy on stage did not alert the crowd to the fact it had even started, and the finish passed with hardly a mention or celebration felt like the left hand didn't know what the right was doing. Again bonfire nearly dead by half six, and over an hours delay on the fireworks despite promises from the over zealous compare that they would be just a few moments. Queues were crazy which is to be expected at any big event but there were simply not enough outlets especially as rat race wanted people to book online so they had an idea of numbers but didn't seem to increase facilities. Also the areas that needed to be lit like the walk past the racecourse into the event and toilets were pitch dark, saw people trip on the way out as they couldn't see where they were going. But what annoyed me most was the fireworks were set to music but at the same time the next band on decided to do there sound checks while the fireworks were on which proved distracting! Shambolic! Bebellebe
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10:37am Tue 6 Nov 12

yorkborn66 says...

Knowing that events in York don’t normally go to plan, I did not bother with a ticket and sat in my van with wife and kids with the heater on, waiting for the fireworks to start. Others and I were doing the same thing commented on the big delay and the amount of young kids out so late on a cold evening with school in the morning. Ok we did not moan as we did not pay for tickets, but to be totally honest did you think everything would go to plan?
All we could see from our high vantage point was a pathetic bonfire that burnt out within 15 minutes and after the runners had finished, the knavesmire was left in complete darkness with people waiting for the fireworks.
I wonder if the police could confirm the story of people been in the wrong area which caused the delay? . . If I had paid for tickets I would have felt ripped off.

The best display I have ever been to, Selby. Free with donations to charity, no problems with food etc. Money going too good causes and a fantastic firework display.
Knowing that events in York don’t normally go to plan, I did not bother with a ticket and sat in my van with wife and kids with the heater on, waiting for the fireworks to start. Others and I were doing the same thing commented on the big delay and the amount of young kids out so late on a cold evening with school in the morning. Ok we did not moan as we did not pay for tickets, but to be totally honest did you think everything would go to plan? All we could see from our high vantage point was a pathetic bonfire that burnt out within 15 minutes and after the runners had finished, the knavesmire was left in complete darkness with people waiting for the fireworks. I wonder if the police could confirm the story of people been in the wrong area which caused the delay? . . If I had paid for tickets I would have felt ripped off. The best display I have ever been to, Selby. Free with donations to charity, no problems with food etc. Money going too good causes and a fantastic firework display. yorkborn66
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10:38am Tue 6 Nov 12

laura21 says...

We went to the Gunpowder Plod last night and to say we paid £10 each and was told our tickets would be scanned , to go and the staff hardly even look at our tickets was rubbish anyone could of printed a load off and got in. We queued for 2 hours for a burger and when we finally got a burger it was not even nice and for £4. The queue for the bar was over an hour long so we didnt even bother with that. The fireworks were late been let off which meant it was 9ish when they eventually started, did they realise it was a monday night and children are at school?????. The fireworks were on for about 15minutes dont get me wrong they were good fireworks but for the price we paid we expected them to last longer than that. All the attractions that were free to use had big queues so no one could be bothered to get in them therefore noone really got there moneys worth there.To say they raved about all this for weeks before that it would be like no other firework display york had seen, then it to be a total let down. It was the worst £10 i ever spent and i will be sticking to the local pubs from now on.
We went to the Gunpowder Plod last night and to say we paid £10 each and was told our tickets would be scanned , to go and the staff hardly even look at our tickets was rubbish anyone could of printed a load off and got in. We queued for 2 hours for a burger and when we finally got a burger it was not even nice and for £4. The queue for the bar was over an hour long so we didnt even bother with that. The fireworks were late been let off which meant it was 9ish when they eventually started, did they realise it was a monday night and children are at school?????. The fireworks were on for about 15minutes dont get me wrong they were good fireworks but for the price we paid we expected them to last longer than that. All the attractions that were free to use had big queues so no one could be bothered to get in them therefore noone really got there moneys worth there.To say they raved about all this for weeks before that it would be like no other firework display york had seen, then it to be a total let down. It was the worst £10 i ever spent and i will be sticking to the local pubs from now on. laura21
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10:39am Tue 6 Nov 12

lifesabeach says...

RenRoyale wrote:
Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze.
It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice.
As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater!

I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks!
Organisation a 'bit' all over the place - understatment. We didnt have kids, we ran and found it very poor. O and the claim you managed to get to the bar after the race ' no fuss' and heard ' cracking live music' - mmmmmmm you sure you were there ?
[quote][p][bold]RenRoyale[/bold] wrote: Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks![/p][/quote]Organisation a 'bit' all over the place - understatment. We didnt have kids, we ran and found it very poor. O and the claim you managed to get to the bar after the race ' no fuss' and heard ' cracking live music' - mmmmmmm you sure you were there ? lifesabeach
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10:40am Tue 6 Nov 12

elliehick says...

Was really looking forward to this, and felt completely let down. Our ticket didnt even get looked at properly upon entering, we queued an hour for a drink! No lighting on the walk out which was very dangerous. The fireworks were ok, but felt completely let down by it all. Enjoyed my chips afterwards walking home......famished by that point!
Was really looking forward to this, and felt completely let down. Our ticket didnt even get looked at properly upon entering, we queued an hour for a drink! No lighting on the walk out which was very dangerous. The fireworks were ok, but felt completely let down by it all. Enjoyed my chips afterwards walking home......famished by that point! elliehick
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10:43am Tue 6 Nov 12

voodoocol says...

An utter fiasco. A field full of mud & people queuing in every direction, in the dark. Couldn't find the Tunnel of Goats anywhere. Terrible reporting yet again.
An utter fiasco. A field full of mud & people queuing in every direction, in the dark. Couldn't find the Tunnel of Goats anywhere. Terrible reporting yet again. voodoocol
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10:45am Tue 6 Nov 12

lifesabeach says...

O and off been trying to ring Rat Race all morning to complain - no answer! Odd that - false advertising I think
O and off been trying to ring Rat Race all morning to complain - no answer! Odd that - false advertising I think lifesabeach
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10:45am Tue 6 Nov 12

bishboy says...

Haha, saw a lovely FREE firework display from the bridge over the A64 near the Crem. We were probably just as cold as those on the Knavesmire but hadn't been fleeced for the priviledge, then a pleasant walk back inti Bishopthorpe for a relaxing beer on the way home.
Haha, saw a lovely FREE firework display from the bridge over the A64 near the Crem. We were probably just as cold as those on the Knavesmire but hadn't been fleeced for the priviledge, then a pleasant walk back inti Bishopthorpe for a relaxing beer on the way home. bishboy
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10:48am Tue 6 Nov 12

El Clinton says...

Looked an awful rip off from the advertising so no suprises at all from the comments. The Fox had an amazing fireworks display last night just after 7pm & you could watch for free from the street!
Looked an awful rip off from the advertising so no suprises at all from the comments. The Fox had an amazing fireworks display last night just after 7pm & you could watch for free from the street! El Clinton
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10:50am Tue 6 Nov 12

duffy12 says...

If it was anything like the pathetic fiasco last week at the museum gardens, all I can say is you should have gone to The Maze. It was fabulous, brilliant fireworks, lovely warm fire, great food and entertainment from Huge. -Even 'the queen' attended! Thanks to everyone involved
If it was anything like the pathetic fiasco last week at the museum gardens, all I can say is you should have gone to The Maze. It was fabulous, brilliant fireworks, lovely warm fire, great food and entertainment from Huge. -Even 'the queen' attended! Thanks to everyone involved duffy12
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10:51am Tue 6 Nov 12

Sugarpop says...

Shockingly poor journalism. Will the Press rewrite this? It clearly is a one sided view, most likely a press release from Ratrace of a poorly managed event that hasn't taken into account any of the problems encountered by the majority of customers who are feeling very ripped off today.
Shockingly poor journalism. Will the Press rewrite this? It clearly is a one sided view, most likely a press release from Ratrace of a poorly managed event that hasn't taken into account any of the problems encountered by the majority of customers who are feeling very ripped off today. Sugarpop
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10:56am Tue 6 Nov 12

patch77 says...

I paid to enter the run, and bought an additional ticket for my fiance to join me at the event, support the race and watch the fireworks, around £35 in total, and that was with a 15% discount. After coordinating meeting with him so we could arrive together as he had the car and I had the tickets and we approached from opposite sides of York, it took 30 minutes to get from Tadcaster Road to the entrance, our tickets weren't even checked and then I discovered the farce that was the registration for runners! Why on earth the liability form and race numbers weren't emailed / posted out is beyond me, especially when the entry cost is considered! Nor is it rocket science to work out that as it was a Monday most people will have planned to arrive after work, not at 4pm when the site opened, so of course most of the runners will have been trying to register at the same time. It's no wonder the race started late, with that, and with the pointless warm up by the stage - by the time all the runners had reached the start lines those of us near the front had been standing for 20 minutes in the cold waiting to go. Don't get me wrong, I did enjoy the run itself, it was certainly a unique race event, and unlike some I was lucky enough to finish fairly quickly and thus didn't have to queue for my finishers medal and chocolate. Queues elsewhere though were a complete joke, whoever thought 6 or 7 stands for 10,000+ people was enough?! We didn't even stay for the fireworks, by 8.45 we were frozen solid and bored so joined a large number of other people in leaving. This event had great promise so it's a real shame it turned out to be such an expensive disappointment. With cheaper tickets and (much) better organisation I'd think about going again, but based on last night's experience not a chance!
I paid to enter the run, and bought an additional ticket for my fiance to join me at the event, support the race and watch the fireworks, around £35 in total, and that was with a 15% discount. After coordinating meeting with him so we could arrive together as he had the car and I had the tickets and we approached from opposite sides of York, it took 30 minutes to get from Tadcaster Road to the entrance, our tickets weren't even checked and then I discovered the farce that was the registration for runners! Why on earth the liability form and race numbers weren't emailed / posted out is beyond me, especially when the entry cost is considered! Nor is it rocket science to work out that as it was a Monday most people will have planned to arrive after work, not at 4pm when the site opened, so of course most of the runners will have been trying to register at the same time. It's no wonder the race started late, with that, and with the pointless warm up by the stage - by the time all the runners had reached the start lines those of us near the front had been standing for 20 minutes in the cold waiting to go. Don't get me wrong, I did enjoy the run itself, it was certainly a unique race event, and unlike some I was lucky enough to finish fairly quickly and thus didn't have to queue for my finishers medal and chocolate. Queues elsewhere though were a complete joke, whoever thought 6 or 7 stands for 10,000+ people was enough?! We didn't even stay for the fireworks, by 8.45 we were frozen solid and bored so joined a large number of other people in leaving. This event had great promise so it's a real shame it turned out to be such an expensive disappointment. With cheaper tickets and (much) better organisation I'd think about going again, but based on last night's experience not a chance! patch77
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10:59am Tue 6 Nov 12

hereiswhatithink says...

So, last night wasn’t the best organised event we have ever been to...1 hour delay to the start of the race and another hour delay for the start of the fireworks and pretty poor orgaisation in between.

However, I completed a Rat Race event in Manchester on Saturday which was perfectly organised so I am just putting this down to a blip. Controversially (after reading the comments on here) I think Rat Race deserve a well done for actually attempting to put on a display on since York never does anything for these kind of events...

It's not the end of the world...on Sunday the New York Marathon was cancelled leaving 47,000 runners without an event in a city devastated by Sandy. Get some perspective and put the kettle on...
So, last night wasn’t the best organised event we have ever been to...1 hour delay to the start of the race and another hour delay for the start of the fireworks and pretty poor orgaisation in between. However, I completed a Rat Race event in Manchester on Saturday which was perfectly organised so I am just putting this down to a blip. Controversially (after reading the comments on here) I think Rat Race deserve a well done for actually attempting to put on a display on since York never does anything for these kind of events... It's not the end of the world...on Sunday the New York Marathon was cancelled leaving 47,000 runners without an event in a city devastated by Sandy. Get some perspective and put the kettle on... hereiswhatithink
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11:01am Tue 6 Nov 12

AngryandFrustrated says...

Sugarpop wrote:
Shockingly poor journalism. Will the Press rewrite this? It clearly is a one sided view, most likely a press release from Ratrace of a poorly managed event that hasn't taken into account any of the problems encountered by the majority of customers who are feeling very ripped off today.
I wonder how many comments it will take before the Press do look at their somewhat embarrassing review of last night's events? I also wonder how long it will take them to contact Rat Race about the fact that they do not appear to be answering their phones this morning?

I watched a lovely free display at St Peters School last night from the public footpath that borders their playing fields. Maybe not the best fireworks in town, but free, no queues and no disgruntled punters. Why didn't I go to the Knavesmire? £12 a head, that's why. As per my posting on the earlier story, it had disaster written all over it.
[quote][p][bold]Sugarpop[/bold] wrote: Shockingly poor journalism. Will the Press rewrite this? It clearly is a one sided view, most likely a press release from Ratrace of a poorly managed event that hasn't taken into account any of the problems encountered by the majority of customers who are feeling very ripped off today.[/p][/quote]I wonder how many comments it will take before the Press do look at their somewhat embarrassing review of last night's events? I also wonder how long it will take them to contact Rat Race about the fact that they do not appear to be answering their phones this morning? I watched a lovely free display at St Peters School last night from the public footpath that borders their playing fields. Maybe not the best fireworks in town, but free, no queues and no disgruntled punters. Why didn't I go to the Knavesmire? £12 a head, that's why. As per my posting on the earlier story, it had disaster written all over it. AngryandFrustrated
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11:02am Tue 6 Nov 12

BKKYorkshireboy says...

It was like slowly watching a pile up on the motorway. Rat Race organisation was appalling. 1500 people trying to register for run at same time (why didnt we get numbers posted to us prior to event?) so absolute chaos ensued. Race went off an hour late so fireworks the same (9pm - far too late for kids!). Couldn't get any food (6 food stalls for 10k people!) or a beer (1hr+ wait apparently) after run. Complete disaster and we left before fireworks started as 1 mars bar for tea & a bottle of water not what i envisaged. I will be writing complaint letter and expecting full refund. Shocking and disappointing evening.. (and i am not a whinger!)
It was like slowly watching a pile up on the motorway. Rat Race organisation was appalling. 1500 people trying to register for run at same time (why didnt we get numbers posted to us prior to event?) so absolute chaos ensued. Race went off an hour late so fireworks the same (9pm - far too late for kids!). Couldn't get any food (6 food stalls for 10k people!) or a beer (1hr+ wait apparently) after run. Complete disaster and we left before fireworks started as 1 mars bar for tea & a bottle of water not what i envisaged. I will be writing complaint letter and expecting full refund. Shocking and disappointing evening.. (and i am not a whinger!) BKKYorkshireboy
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11:07am Tue 6 Nov 12

AngryandFrustrated says...

Here's a novel approach. CofYC take over the running of the event. Charge £5 per head, payable in advance. Hold it at the Knavesmire. Bonfire and fireworks 6.30pm. No gimmicks, no stalls or stands. Run the traffic the same way that they do for the big race meetings. They could even put on a special Park and Ride service from Askham Bar. It really could be that simple, and indeed it is for the numerous local villages, market towns and pubs that do their own display.

Deep sigh!
Here's a novel approach. CofYC take over the running of the event. Charge £5 per head, payable in advance. Hold it at the Knavesmire. Bonfire and fireworks 6.30pm. No gimmicks, no stalls or stands. Run the traffic the same way that they do for the big race meetings. They could even put on a special Park and Ride service from Askham Bar. It really could be that simple, and indeed it is for the numerous local villages, market towns and pubs that do their own display. Deep sigh! AngryandFrustrated
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11:10am Tue 6 Nov 12

o2binibiza says...

We arrived at about 7pm to support some our friends that were running. The bonfire was out, you couldn't get near to the runners to see who was who and there were massive queues for food and drink.
However, we only queued for about 15 minutes for food (and it was good) at the chicken unit. To be honest if you're stupid enough to think that the pizza queue might move quickly then you're obviously an idiot.
The fireworks when they eventually started were excellent.
Reverend and the Makers superb as usual.
Lessons to be learnt? Absolutely.
Email runners entry information.
More security.
More lighting esp walking past racecourse entrance.
Keep to the timings.
Build a MUCH better bonfire.
Have more food/bar outlets.
Move the stage around so that you can hear the music to go with the fireworks.
We arrived at about 7pm to support some our friends that were running. The bonfire was out, you couldn't get near to the runners to see who was who and there were massive queues for food and drink. However, we only queued for about 15 minutes for food (and it was good) at the chicken unit. To be honest if you're stupid enough to think that the pizza queue might move quickly then you're obviously an idiot. The fireworks when they eventually started were excellent. Reverend and the Makers superb as usual. Lessons to be learnt? Absolutely. Email runners entry information. More security. More lighting esp walking past racecourse entrance. Keep to the timings. Build a MUCH better bonfire. Have more food/bar outlets. Move the stage around so that you can hear the music to go with the fireworks. o2binibiza
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11:19am Tue 6 Nov 12

myselby says...

Should have gone to Selby on Saturday night, great Bonfire, it lasted a good couple of hrs, great fireworks, free entry, organised by Selby Town Council - great food, great people great time
Should have gone to Selby on Saturday night, great Bonfire, it lasted a good couple of hrs, great fireworks, free entry, organised by Selby Town Council - great food, great people great time myselby
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11:20am Tue 6 Nov 12

elliehick says...

AngryandFrustrated wrote:
Here's a novel approach. CofYC take over the running of the event. Charge £5 per head, payable in advance. Hold it at the Knavesmire. Bonfire and fireworks 6.30pm. No gimmicks, no stalls or stands. Run the traffic the same way that they do for the big race meetings. They could even put on a special Park and Ride service from Askham Bar. It really could be that simple, and indeed it is for the numerous local villages, market towns and pubs that do their own display. Deep sigh!
I like your idea - lets hoping the council listen for next year!
[quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: Here's a novel approach. CofYC take over the running of the event. Charge £5 per head, payable in advance. Hold it at the Knavesmire. Bonfire and fireworks 6.30pm. No gimmicks, no stalls or stands. Run the traffic the same way that they do for the big race meetings. They could even put on a special Park and Ride service from Askham Bar. It really could be that simple, and indeed it is for the numerous local villages, market towns and pubs that do their own display. Deep sigh![/p][/quote]I like your idea - lets hoping the council listen for next year! elliehick
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11:21am Tue 6 Nov 12

YorkieTalkie says...

I was a runner in last night's event, and the reporter seems to have grabbed a sound bite from the organisers, and not talked to anyone else.

In the end I enjoyed the run, but left straight afterwards as I was hungry and couldn't face queuing for food. If/when it is restaged, big improvements are needed:

Communications - provide a tannoy or race stewards to let people know what was going on.
Stick to the schedule - it was b***y cold just waiting around for an hour in running clothes, and it took too long to get all of the runners to the start.
More facilities - clearly not enough food stalls, toilets, etc for 10,000 people.
Better baggage/changing - secured, lit, and heated.

All in all, a great opportunity that was poorly executed - I definitely did not get my money's worth here!
I was a runner in last night's event, and the reporter seems to have grabbed a sound bite from the organisers, and not talked to anyone else. In the end I enjoyed the run, but left straight afterwards as I was hungry and couldn't face queuing for food. If/when it is restaged, big improvements are needed: Communications - provide a tannoy or race stewards to let people know what was going on. Stick to the schedule - it was b***y cold just waiting around for an hour in running clothes, and it took too long to get all of the runners to the start. More facilities - clearly not enough food stalls, toilets, etc for 10,000 people. Better baggage/changing - secured, lit, and heated. All in all, a great opportunity that was poorly executed - I definitely did not get my money's worth here! YorkieTalkie
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11:23am Tue 6 Nov 12

NatWard says...

Hilarious report. Clearly the reporter did not attend this. I was so disappointed with this event, I have never attended anything so badly organised. There was a ridiculous hour long queue for literally everything.and we didn't even attempt to go to the bar. As for the public being 'moaning minnies' according to the runner who commented, it's hardly surprising you got a drink due to no queue for drinks after the fireworks as everyone had had enough - I think the thousands leaving in droves point this out! Perhaps given that it was sold out, proper organisation for about twice the amount of food stalls and an extra bar would have been intelligent. 'Bonfire Night' also means there should be a bonfire. Not too much to ask when you arrive at only 7pm. It is expected to be cold on November 5th, yes, but you also expect a huge roaring bonfire to get warm at, as it was such a large event and at the price of £12?! I was glad to leave and go to the local pub which was more fun and certainley won't be going back next year. Bring back the good local bonfires with no rip offs. Personal moan I know but to add insult to injury, after queueing for nearly hour for food, I was rather annoyed that one of the event runners sporting the t-shirt pushed in front of me with his mates for food. Nice!
Hilarious report. Clearly the reporter did not attend this. I was so disappointed with this event, I have never attended anything so badly organised. There was a ridiculous hour long queue for literally everything.and we didn't even attempt to go to the bar. As for the public being 'moaning minnies' according to the runner who commented, it's hardly surprising you got a drink due to no queue for drinks after the fireworks as everyone had had enough - I think the thousands leaving in droves point this out! Perhaps given that it was sold out, proper organisation for about twice the amount of food stalls and an extra bar would have been intelligent. 'Bonfire Night' also means there should be a bonfire. Not too much to ask when you arrive at only 7pm. It is expected to be cold on November 5th, yes, but you also expect a huge roaring bonfire to get warm at, as it was such a large event and at the price of £12?! I was glad to leave and go to the local pub which was more fun and certainley won't be going back next year. Bring back the good local bonfires with no rip offs. Personal moan I know but to add insult to injury, after queueing for nearly hour for food, I was rather annoyed that one of the event runners sporting the t-shirt pushed in front of me with his mates for food. Nice! NatWard
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11:25am Tue 6 Nov 12

gibarch says...

Last few years I have attended York Maze where I've always had a good time and firworks have been excellent.

Happened to be in Cambridge last night. It had a free event.

25,000 attended in centre of city.

Fantastic. Shame on York Council.
Last few years I have attended York Maze where I've always had a good time and firworks have been excellent. Happened to be in Cambridge last night. It had a free event. 25,000 attended in centre of city. Fantastic. Shame on York Council. gibarch
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11:28am Tue 6 Nov 12

safetyelf says...

yorkborn66 wrote:
Knowing that events in York don’t normally go to plan, I did not bother with a ticket and sat in my van with wife and kids with the heater on, waiting for the fireworks to start. Others and I were doing the same thing commented on the big delay and the amount of young kids out so late on a cold evening with school in the morning. Ok we did not moan as we did not pay for tickets, but to be totally honest did you think everything would go to plan? All we could see from our high vantage point was a pathetic bonfire that burnt out within 15 minutes and after the runners had finished, the knavesmire was left in complete darkness with people waiting for the fireworks. I wonder if the police could confirm the story of people been in the wrong area which caused the delay? . . If I had paid for tickets I would have felt ripped off. The best display I have ever been to, Selby. Free with donations to charity, no problems with food etc. Money going too good causes and a fantastic firework display.
There was one Police car on the Knavesmire close to the infield area but over on the west side of the Knavesmire the stewards were being aggressive towards those local people who had wandered over to take alook at the "spectacle", at 8 oclock runners were still on the service road hence the delay.
As stated in my earlier entry a Mr Barry Blue of Rat Race, made up name I think, AS HE HESITATED AS HE THOUGHT OF IT,jumped out of his Land Rover and almost ran at a number of people and threatened me with arrest by the Police if I didnt move over the furthest track barrier.
I dont believe that their Risk Assessment met the requirements of such an event so they went to default mode of pushing people back as far back as they could get away with.
York Press should be looking at them instead of blaming people for being on the Knavesmire and report what actually happened.
[quote][p][bold]yorkborn66[/bold] wrote: Knowing that events in York don’t normally go to plan, I did not bother with a ticket and sat in my van with wife and kids with the heater on, waiting for the fireworks to start. Others and I were doing the same thing commented on the big delay and the amount of young kids out so late on a cold evening with school in the morning. Ok we did not moan as we did not pay for tickets, but to be totally honest did you think everything would go to plan? All we could see from our high vantage point was a pathetic bonfire that burnt out within 15 minutes and after the runners had finished, the knavesmire was left in complete darkness with people waiting for the fireworks. I wonder if the police could confirm the story of people been in the wrong area which caused the delay? . . If I had paid for tickets I would have felt ripped off. The best display I have ever been to, Selby. Free with donations to charity, no problems with food etc. Money going too good causes and a fantastic firework display.[/p][/quote]There was one Police car on the Knavesmire close to the infield area but over on the west side of the Knavesmire the stewards were being aggressive towards those local people who had wandered over to take alook at the "spectacle", at 8 oclock runners were still on the service road hence the delay. As stated in my earlier entry a Mr Barry Blue of Rat Race, made up name I think, AS HE HESITATED AS HE THOUGHT OF IT,jumped out of his Land Rover and almost ran at a number of people and threatened me with arrest by the Police if I didnt move over the furthest track barrier. I dont believe that their Risk Assessment met the requirements of such an event so they went to default mode of pushing people back as far back as they could get away with. York Press should be looking at them instead of blaming people for being on the Knavesmire and report what actually happened. safetyelf
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11:30am Tue 6 Nov 12

yorkiemum says...

What a shame!!
We had a fab time at Rawcliffe Park and Ride. Great music fantastic fireworks and good food all for £7.50 well Done Mark
What a shame!! We had a fab time at Rawcliffe Park and Ride. Great music fantastic fireworks and good food all for £7.50 well Done Mark yorkiemum
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11:32am Tue 6 Nov 12

NatWard says...

Actually i meant organiser/ helper not runner i think!
Actually i meant organiser/ helper not runner i think! NatWard
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11:38am Tue 6 Nov 12

garyleedodson says...

i was there and did enjoy the fireworks. However the 45min delay was not welcomed at all (The firework spectacular which was due to start at 8pm was delayed for 45 minutes due to several people running on to a restricticted area. The police had to be called to remove them before the main event could begin.) I do believe this could happen because of the poor organisation skills from Ratrace, shown by the lack of facilities. Also the sham of trying to get out un helped by the police or security staff. Utterly disappionted #gunpowderplod
i was there and did enjoy the fireworks. However the 45min delay was not welcomed at all (The firework spectacular which was due to start at 8pm was delayed for 45 minutes due to several people running on to a restricticted area. The police had to be called to remove them before the main event could begin.) I do believe this could happen because of the poor organisation skills from Ratrace, shown by the lack of facilities. Also the sham of trying to get out un helped by the police or security staff. Utterly disappionted #gunpowderplod garyleedodson
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11:43am Tue 6 Nov 12

NewDay says...

What a rude steward racing around the track in a blue clapped out renault megane close to the Middlethorpe Grove area. There are ways and means of speaking to people asking if they would kindly move back a little. What an arrogant man.
What a rude steward racing around the track in a blue clapped out renault megane close to the Middlethorpe Grove area. There are ways and means of speaking to people asking if they would kindly move back a little. What an arrogant man. NewDay
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11:46am Tue 6 Nov 12

courier46 says...

Having my 2 grandchildren freezing waiting for nearly an hour past there supposed start time we decided to go home and miss the fireworks ,i can only agree with everybodys comments that this was a badly run farce and the council should be seriously looking into this.It was way too late and next year we are going back to our hotdogs ,bacon sarnies and home fireworks.much more fun and greater memories.Shame!!!
Having my 2 grandchildren freezing waiting for nearly an hour past there supposed start time we decided to go home and miss the fireworks ,i can only agree with everybodys comments that this was a badly run farce and the council should be seriously looking into this.It was way too late and next year we are going back to our hotdogs ,bacon sarnies and home fireworks.much more fun and greater memories.Shame!!! courier46
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11:46am Tue 6 Nov 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Coun Sonja Crisp made out on twitter last night that it was 'fantastic', and said 'it was fab' ? !!!!

More spin from the acerbic 'Red Sonja' ?

Hope 'Mallory' is reading this thread, and will she dare to contradict those who disagree with her account of the event's success ?

#EpicLaboutFail !!!!
Coun Sonja Crisp made out on twitter last night that it was 'fantastic', and said 'it was fab' ? !!!! More spin from the acerbic 'Red Sonja' ? Hope 'Mallory' is reading this thread, and will she dare to contradict those who disagree with her account of the event's success ? #EpicLaboutFail !!!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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11:53am Tue 6 Nov 12

yorkandproud says...

It was obvious that this event was going to be another washout, to add to the Santa Claus fiddle last christmas , the big wheel fiasco, the unfunny Vic Reeves museum light show debacle. city of York council want stuffing for allowing these rip offs time after time.

To be fair though, people of York, the mention of the name Trevor Rooney should have made it a big no no.
It was obvious that this event was going to be another washout, to add to the Santa Claus fiddle last christmas , the big wheel fiasco, the unfunny Vic Reeves museum light show debacle. city of York council want stuffing for allowing these rip offs time after time. To be fair though, people of York, the mention of the name Trevor Rooney should have made it a big no no. yorkandproud
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12:04pm Tue 6 Nov 12

I'mALaydee says...

voodoocol wrote:
An utter fiasco. A field full of mud & people queuing in every direction, in the dark. Couldn't find the Tunnel of Goats anywhere. Terrible reporting yet again.
Lol! Funny, my friends and I were likening the event to Craggy Island's funfair too.
[quote][p][bold]voodoocol[/bold] wrote: An utter fiasco. A field full of mud & people queuing in every direction, in the dark. Couldn't find the Tunnel of Goats anywhere. Terrible reporting yet again.[/p][/quote]Lol! Funny, my friends and I were likening the event to Craggy Island's funfair too. I'mALaydee
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12:10pm Tue 6 Nov 12

garyleedodson says...

yorkandproud wrote:
It was obvious that this event was going to be another washout, to add to the Santa Claus fiddle last christmas , the big wheel fiasco, the unfunny Vic Reeves museum light show debacle. city of York council want stuffing for allowing these rip offs time after time.

To be fair though, people of York, the mention of the name Trevor Rooney should have made it a big no no.
I agree to all the above the Vic Reeves (Jim Moir) light show was not funny he sounded so depressed.The Xmas decorations are soon to come i'm sure they will add to the disappiontment of York we call home.
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: It was obvious that this event was going to be another washout, to add to the Santa Claus fiddle last christmas , the big wheel fiasco, the unfunny Vic Reeves museum light show debacle. city of York council want stuffing for allowing these rip offs time after time. To be fair though, people of York, the mention of the name Trevor Rooney should have made it a big no no.[/p][/quote]I agree to all the above the Vic Reeves (Jim Moir) light show was not funny he sounded so depressed.The Xmas decorations are soon to come i'm sure they will add to the disappiontment of York we call home. garyleedodson
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12:17pm Tue 6 Nov 12

mallory says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Coun Sonja Crisp made out on twitter last night that it was 'fantastic', and said 'it was fab' ? !!!!

More spin from the acerbic 'Red Sonja' ?

Hope 'Mallory' is reading this thread, and will she dare to contradict those who disagree with her account of the event's success ?

#EpicLaboutFail !!!!
I am not Councillor Sonja Crisp!

i wasnt at the event... although i hope there were traditional toffee apples available, made from fresh, scrummy apples, with no hint of 'rot' ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Coun Sonja Crisp made out on twitter last night that it was 'fantastic', and said 'it was fab' ? !!!! More spin from the acerbic 'Red Sonja' ? Hope 'Mallory' is reading this thread, and will she dare to contradict those who disagree with her account of the event's success ? #EpicLaboutFail !!!![/p][/quote]I am not Councillor Sonja Crisp! i wasnt at the event... although i hope there were traditional toffee apples available, made from fresh, scrummy apples, with no hint of 'rot' ;-) mallory
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12:17pm Tue 6 Nov 12

chunks says...

Sorry to hear about the problems people had, it seems to have been a disaster. No-one should be surprised by The Press' reporting of this event, it often has its own agenda.

Anyone familiar with its coverage of Race Days should know that its reporting is often completely biased and unquestioningly positive about all things race related.
Sorry to hear about the problems people had, it seems to have been a disaster. No-one should be surprised by The Press' reporting of this event, it often has its own agenda. Anyone familiar with its coverage of Race Days should know that its reporting is often completely biased and unquestioningly positive about all things race related. chunks
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12:18pm Tue 6 Nov 12

yorviktone says...

only one word...sham. Over a hour for a drink...security letting people into the beer tent stating they wanted to get warm ...then straight to the bar. No organisation at all.some bloke on the stage even made comments on the sham the last fireworks on the mire...more bleedin front than blackpool.
A full refund to all present , well those who paid. I overheard people saying they didnt even pay , security just let them in.
only one word...sham. Over a hour for a drink...security letting people into the beer tent stating they wanted to get warm ...then straight to the bar. No organisation at all.some bloke on the stage even made comments on the sham the last fireworks on the mire...more bleedin front than blackpool. A full refund to all present , well those who paid. I overheard people saying they didnt even pay , security just let them in. yorviktone
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12:19pm Tue 6 Nov 12

safetyelf says...

garyleedodson wrote:
i was there and did enjoy the fireworks. However the 45min delay was not welcomed at all (The firework spectacular which was due to start at 8pm was delayed for 45 minutes due to several people running on to a restricticted area. The police had to be called to remove them before the main event could begin.) I do believe this could happen because of the poor organisation skills from Ratrace, shown by the lack of facilities. Also the sham of trying to get out un helped by the police or security staff. Utterly disappionted #gunpowderplod
The delay was NOT because of people in restricted areas it was because the runners were still on the service road because of their delayed start due to bad organisation, please read other comments relating to this.
Rat Race used the people in the wrong place as an excuse, if they had read guidance on how to do a display they would have had no problems, they chose an area way over the required size.
[quote][p][bold]garyleedodson[/bold] wrote: i was there and did enjoy the fireworks. However the 45min delay was not welcomed at all (The firework spectacular which was due to start at 8pm was delayed for 45 minutes due to several people running on to a restricticted area. The police had to be called to remove them before the main event could begin.) I do believe this could happen because of the poor organisation skills from Ratrace, shown by the lack of facilities. Also the sham of trying to get out un helped by the police or security staff. Utterly disappionted #gunpowderplod[/p][/quote]The delay was NOT because of people in restricted areas it was because the runners were still on the service road because of their delayed start due to bad organisation, please read other comments relating to this. Rat Race used the people in the wrong place as an excuse, if they had read guidance on how to do a display they would have had no problems, they chose an area way over the required size. safetyelf
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12:20pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Pete the Brickie says...



The event was expected to bring £500,000 into the York economy and involved 100 Yorkshire businesses of many different kinds



The big wheel and last year's Christmas Grotto were also expected to bring money into York, please make sure this partner organisation is able to pay everybody this time York Council.
[quote] The event was expected to bring £500,000 into the York economy and involved 100 Yorkshire businesses of many different kinds [/quote] The big wheel and last year's Christmas Grotto were also expected to bring money into York, please make sure this partner organisation is able to pay everybody this time York Council. Pete the Brickie
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12:25pm Tue 6 Nov 12

brownsoundz says...

its not fair telling people this was great. The place was dangerous. The entrance/exit wasn't lit and was a death trap with trip hazards and cars driving through big crowds. There was no bonfire, the delay in the fireworks with no anouncement to let people know really ruined it. the majority of people there, went to see fireworks not all the other gimmick rubish that was there. for the press to say everyone waited patently is rubish, i was surounded by people booing, chanting why are we waiting and poor small kids crying everywere, the atmosphere got very hostile. most of the small kids had to go before the firework even started, i felt so sorry for there perents. if it was all because people got in the safe zone then where was the security of the safe zone. I went the night without any tea because of cue lengths. The fireworks were good but i was past careing by the time they were on. would not go again and feel the press have deliberatly missled people. People want a firework display and a LIT BONFIRE not a pitch black dangerous under resourced mini festival on ice.
its not fair telling people this was great. The place was dangerous. The entrance/exit wasn't lit and was a death trap with trip hazards and cars driving through big crowds. There was no bonfire, the delay in the fireworks with no anouncement to let people know really ruined it. the majority of people there, went to see fireworks not all the other gimmick rubish that was there. for the press to say everyone waited patently is rubish, i was surounded by people booing, chanting why are we waiting and poor small kids crying everywere, the atmosphere got very hostile. most of the small kids had to go before the firework even started, i felt so sorry for there perents. if it was all because people got in the safe zone then where was the security of the safe zone. I went the night without any tea because of cue lengths. The fireworks were good but i was past careing by the time they were on. would not go again and feel the press have deliberatly missled people. People want a firework display and a LIT BONFIRE not a pitch black dangerous under resourced mini festival on ice. brownsoundz
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12:27pm Tue 6 Nov 12

F1shf@ce says...

I have written to
Ratrace requesting a refund...
Even before the event started, discount codes provided had already been used, emails were not responded to and no one was answering phone lines.
The night itself started with small inconveniences, such as no signposted route from the car park, the site layout not matching the map provided and the race start point not featuring on the map at all.
Most runners have come to expect extremely slick organisation at the majority of events but here we found apparently 'heated' changing areas, with wet floors that doubled as non-secure baggage storage areas.
The race itself started an hour late, which meant a lot of stiff, cold and grumpy runners! The pyrotechnics had been hugely overstated and were little more than paraffin candles, which then started to go out as the race progressed, due to the late start time.
At the end of the race there was a long queue to collect medals, followed by the ridiculous queues for food and drink.
Given that we couldn't see the bonfire and there was no sign of the fireworks, we gave it up as a bad job and left.
Oversold, overpriced and an excellent example of a small events company biting off far more than it can chew.
I have written to Ratrace requesting a refund... Even before the event started, discount codes provided had already been used, emails were not responded to and no one was answering phone lines. The night itself started with small inconveniences, such as no signposted route from the car park, the site layout not matching the map provided and the race start point not featuring on the map at all. Most runners have come to expect extremely slick organisation at the majority of events but here we found apparently 'heated' changing areas, with wet floors that doubled as non-secure baggage storage areas. The race itself started an hour late, which meant a lot of stiff, cold and grumpy runners! The pyrotechnics had been hugely overstated and were little more than paraffin candles, which then started to go out as the race progressed, due to the late start time. At the end of the race there was a long queue to collect medals, followed by the ridiculous queues for food and drink. Given that we couldn't see the bonfire and there was no sign of the fireworks, we gave it up as a bad job and left. Oversold, overpriced and an excellent example of a small events company biting off far more than it can chew. F1shf@ce
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12:32pm Tue 6 Nov 12

charlysez says...

I have to agree with all critical comments, it was an interesting concept that was poorly executed in the main - such a shame!

My husband I were runners, we had the day off so arrived around 5pm and were surprised the site was almost deserted, though in hindsight of course most people were going to come after work. The lighting was poor, the process for registration was very unclear, the map which we could barely see in the dark didn't show the changing areas. We both had a bad feeling from the start.

Standing around getting very cold in running clothes for the best part of an hour then a 1.5k plod to the startline and another wait and finally we were off. The run was good fun, although the track was a little narrow. Faster runners overtaking were forced onto boggy ground and were lucky to hang onto their shoes. But this part of the night was very good, very different and we enjoyed it.

Then it was more queuing, this time in thin sweaty gear in very low temperatures, to hand in our chip and more queuing again for our semi frozen chocolate and water. After a quick as change as we could manage in the unlit changing tents we headed up site for some much needed hot food. From hereonin, it was all downhill again.

The queues were really bad, after half an hour in the hog roast queue people were coming up the line saying there was no food left. Some people had been queuing for over an hour. Fortunately no-one was queuing at the chicken stall - we couldn't work out why - so we didn't wait too long and watched fireworks whilst negotiating our nice but fairly meagre dinner.

The firework display itself was really great, but it didn't rescue the event as once again we were in a queue, this time for the bar, by this point feeling like blocks of ice, still a bit hungry and it was 10 o'clock. We had a pint each before slithering across the mud, in the dark, extremely glad to be leaving.

We enjoyed parts of it but the queuing, the chaos, the dark, the mud and the delays were all really hard work and not that much fun - we won't be in a hurry to part with our cash again for the experience.
I have to agree with all critical comments, it was an interesting concept that was poorly executed in the main - such a shame! My husband I were runners, we had the day off so arrived around 5pm and were surprised the site was almost deserted, though in hindsight of course most people were going to come after work. The lighting was poor, the process for registration was very unclear, the map which we could barely see in the dark didn't show the changing areas. We both had a bad feeling from the start. Standing around getting very cold in running clothes for the best part of an hour then a 1.5k plod to the startline and another wait and finally we were off. The run was good fun, although the track was a little narrow. Faster runners overtaking were forced onto boggy ground and were lucky to hang onto their shoes. But this part of the night was very good, very different and we enjoyed it. Then it was more queuing, this time in thin sweaty gear in very low temperatures, to hand in our chip and more queuing again for our semi frozen chocolate and water. After a quick as change as we could manage in the unlit changing tents we headed up site for some much needed hot food. From hereonin, it was all downhill again. The queues were really bad, after half an hour in the hog roast queue people were coming up the line saying there was no food left. Some people had been queuing for over an hour. Fortunately no-one was queuing at the chicken stall - we couldn't work out why - so we didn't wait too long and watched fireworks whilst negotiating our nice but fairly meagre dinner. The firework display itself was really great, but it didn't rescue the event as once again we were in a queue, this time for the bar, by this point feeling like blocks of ice, still a bit hungry and it was 10 o'clock. We had a pint each before slithering across the mud, in the dark, extremely glad to be leaving. We enjoyed parts of it but the queuing, the chaos, the dark, the mud and the delays were all really hard work and not that much fun - we won't be in a hurry to part with our cash again for the experience. charlysez
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12:38pm Tue 6 Nov 12

HTC says...

Email from the organisers:

Dear Plodder,

It was cold, dark and fiery but you conquered the inaugural Plod and we salute you on your achievement. We hope the on-course razzle-dazzle was enough to keep you entertained as you plodded around York Knavesmire and that your neck has been screwed back on from gazing skyward at the epic fireworks that followed. For those that stayed for Reverend and the Makers, we could see a bit of crowd surfing going on down the front and if that was you – we salute you too!

We wanted to drop you all a quick line to say sorry for the 50 minute delay to the start of the run and the subsequent delay to the start of the fireworks, which was compounded further by a security situation as we cleared a number of members of the public near the firing areas with the aid of the Police. Being the largest provider of adventure sports events in the UK and having been in the game for 10 years, we like to think we get it right most of the time but we are not shy of holding our hand up if something goes awry and of then putting it right. On this occasion, the Registration facility was not up to par and a combination of low light, an early post-race start time on a Monday night and a large number of racers arriving past 6pm severely delayed the start of the race. Naturally, this all contributed to the late start of the race. Our Registration process is a tried and tested one used on over 20 events annually and we do not send T shirts and race numbers pre-event. On this occasion, the factors mentioned compromised this system and for this we apologise.

Whilst the run did finally get underway and took place as arranged, we recognise that those who wished to enjoy the fireworks with small children may have had to leave before the main show as it was a school night and the show was delayed by 45 minutes. We are sorry the little ones might not have been able to enjoy the show and as a gesture, we have decided to make a donation to a local children’s cause: The William Rhodes Appeal. William is a 3 year old York lad who is battling a rare blood disorder that affects 600 people globally and we would like to contribute the entire revenue of £5000 generated from sales of kids tickets to William’s appeal as a gesture to the kids and parents who attended who may not have been able to stay for the show. Please read more about William Rhodes at www.thewilliamrhodes
appeal.com.

We would also like to offer a direct gesture to you, the customer. If you feel you didn’t get quite what you were expecting, we are happy to offer you a half price solo entry into any Rat Race event of your choice in the 2013 race calendar. All the races can be viewed here. If you wish to take up this offer, please email us by the end of this week, Sunday 11th November and nominate the event you wish to enter. This offer is valid across any Rat Race 2013 event; Solo entry only and is not transferrable. We will process the admin on this by the end of Friday 30thNovember and issue your online discount code by that time. If you wish to redeem this offer, please reply to this email and we will respond by 14th December, once we have processed all of the requests and set you up with a discount code for the event of your choice.

If you do have any further feedback about the event please do share it with us at info@ratrace.com. This was the first running the Plod and we certainly do not plan for it to be the last. We are always welcoming of constructive feedback as to how we can improve the racer experience.

A post-event round-up mail will follow later on this week with photos, news and other snippets and the results will be posted to the Gunpowder Plod website by 12 midday tomorrow (Wednesday) at the latest.
Email from the organisers: Dear Plodder, It was cold, dark and fiery but you conquered the inaugural Plod and we salute you on your achievement. We hope the on-course razzle-dazzle was enough to keep you entertained as you plodded around York Knavesmire and that your neck has been screwed back on from gazing skyward at the epic fireworks that followed. For those that stayed for Reverend and the Makers, we could see a bit of crowd surfing going on down the front and if that was you – we salute you too! We wanted to drop you all a quick line to say sorry for the 50 minute delay to the start of the run and the subsequent delay to the start of the fireworks, which was compounded further by a security situation as we cleared a number of members of the public near the firing areas with the aid of the Police. Being the largest provider of adventure sports events in the UK and having been in the game for 10 years, we like to think we get it right most of the time but we are not shy of holding our hand up if something goes awry and of then putting it right. On this occasion, the Registration facility was not up to par and a combination of low light, an early post-race start time on a Monday night and a large number of racers arriving past 6pm severely delayed the start of the race. Naturally, this all contributed to the late start of the race. Our Registration process is a tried and tested one used on over 20 events annually and we do not send T shirts and race numbers pre-event. On this occasion, the factors mentioned compromised this system and for this we apologise. Whilst the run did finally get underway and took place as arranged, we recognise that those who wished to enjoy the fireworks with small children may have had to leave before the main show as it was a school night and the show was delayed by 45 minutes. We are sorry the little ones might not have been able to enjoy the show and as a gesture, we have decided to make a donation to a local children’s cause: The William Rhodes Appeal. William is a 3 year old York lad who is battling a rare blood disorder that affects 600 people globally and we would like to contribute the entire revenue of £5000 generated from sales of kids tickets to William’s appeal as a gesture to the kids and parents who attended who may not have been able to stay for the show. Please read more about William Rhodes at www.thewilliamrhodes appeal.com. We would also like to offer a direct gesture to you, the customer. If you feel you didn’t get quite what you were expecting, we are happy to offer you a half price solo entry into any Rat Race event of your choice in the 2013 race calendar. All the races can be viewed here. If you wish to take up this offer, please email us by the end of this week, Sunday 11th November and nominate the event you wish to enter. This offer is valid across any Rat Race 2013 event; Solo entry only and is not transferrable. We will process the admin on this by the end of Friday 30thNovember and issue your online discount code by that time. If you wish to redeem this offer, please reply to this email and we will respond by 14th December, once we have processed all of the requests and set you up with a discount code for the event of your choice. If you do have any further feedback about the event please do share it with us at info@ratrace.com. This was the first running the Plod and we certainly do not plan for it to be the last. We are always welcoming of constructive feedback as to how we can improve the racer experience. A post-event round-up mail will follow later on this week with photos, news and other snippets and the results will be posted to the Gunpowder Plod website by 12 midday tomorrow (Wednesday) at the latest. HTC
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12:49pm Tue 6 Nov 12

York mafia says...

Hands up all those that think the rat run where forced by York Council to add fireworks to their race event! As per previous comments Rat Run are excellent at what they do, run running events! NOT organise firework displays for York Council. We went to Kaboom at the Rawcliffe Park. Yes it was muddy, but it was well organised, well lit, loads of food stalls, toilets, staff (all very helpful) huge fun fair (fleeced to cluck off the kids), And THE BEST firework display I had ever seen. Well done Kaboom! We will be back next year!
Hands up all those that think the rat run where forced by York Council to add fireworks to their race event! As per previous comments Rat Run are excellent at what they do, run running events! NOT organise firework displays for York Council. We went to Kaboom at the Rawcliffe Park. Yes it was muddy, but it was well organised, well lit, loads of food stalls, toilets, staff (all very helpful) huge fun fair (fleeced to cluck off the kids), And THE BEST firework display I had ever seen. Well done Kaboom! We will be back next year! York mafia
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12:56pm Tue 6 Nov 12

AH1604 says...

We went down and admittedly watched from the Bracken Road, Dringhouses area of the racecourse. We were not prepared to pay the expensive entry prices the organisers wanted.

The reason I think the fireworks started late was down to the fact that the event organisers were clearly unhappy that alot of people had turned up to the Knavesmire and were viewing from free areas. They were kicking up a real fuss where we were stood, which was probably a good quarter of a mile away from the fireworks launch area.

We had some guy who obviously felt he was important in a 4 x 4 telling us we had to stand behind the furthest running rail, when clearly the people who had paid were closer to the fireworks and there was a danger to us where we were stood. Absolute rubbish.

Just sour grapes I'm afraid from the event organisers who were obviously brassed off so many people were in free areas of the knavesmire and not lining there pockets. They ran the fireworks late in the hope that all the people who were watching for free would get cold and leave.

In future organisers if you run an event like this on one of York's largest areas of land, appeciate that people will turn up and watch for free, especially for aerial fireworks.
We went down and admittedly watched from the Bracken Road, Dringhouses area of the racecourse. We were not prepared to pay the expensive entry prices the organisers wanted. The reason I think the fireworks started late was down to the fact that the event organisers were clearly unhappy that alot of people had turned up to the Knavesmire and were viewing from free areas. They were kicking up a real fuss where we were stood, which was probably a good quarter of a mile away from the fireworks launch area. We had some guy who obviously felt he was important in a 4 x 4 telling us we had to stand behind the furthest running rail, when clearly the people who had paid were closer to the fireworks and there was a danger to us where we were stood. Absolute rubbish. Just sour grapes I'm afraid from the event organisers who were obviously brassed off so many people were in free areas of the knavesmire and not lining there pockets. They ran the fireworks late in the hope that all the people who were watching for free would get cold and leave. In future organisers if you run an event like this on one of York's largest areas of land, appeciate that people will turn up and watch for free, especially for aerial fireworks. AH1604
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12:57pm Tue 6 Nov 12

brownsoundz says...

a refund is whats needed not half price entry into anouther race event, why would i want to give you more money. i went for fireworks not a pitch black race. glad you've given money to charity but it is just a cop out to get everyone off your backs.
a refund is whats needed not half price entry into anouther race event, why would i want to give you more money. i went for fireworks not a pitch black race. glad you've given money to charity but it is just a cop out to get everyone off your backs. brownsoundz
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12:58pm Tue 6 Nov 12

roskoboskovic says...

marvellous,it sounds like a total ****-up.maybe in future ycc will organise something for the residents at a reasonable price.go and have word with selby council,they know how to do it,on time as well.
marvellous,it sounds like a total ****-up.maybe in future ycc will organise something for the residents at a reasonable price.go and have word with selby council,they know how to do it,on time as well. roskoboskovic
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1:08pm Tue 6 Nov 12

mrcharly says...

Get the Acomb Rugby club to run it next year. I went to their display last year and they did a cracking job. Girt big bonfire that burnt for ages, great fireworks, good crowd control and everything on time.
Get the Acomb Rugby club to run it next year. I went to their display last year and they did a cracking job. Girt big bonfire that burnt for ages, great fireworks, good crowd control and everything on time. mrcharly
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1:09pm Tue 6 Nov 12

BigYog says...

Appalling.
That is all.
Appalling. That is all. BigYog
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1:14pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Buzz Light-year says...

The Press never lets us down.
This is them at their very best - regurgitating spin and PR for companies and corporations.
The article is fiction complete with quote from Marketing Manager.

Someone somewhere at The Press must feel some shame, a hint of guilt at forcing their writers or at being forced to lie through gritted teeth like this?
If it was me I'd be in the shower for an hour tonight "Still not clean still not clean..."



Come on Press, the whole of York knows what really happened, we were there. Have some self-respect because no-one else is going respect you with fluff like this.
Aren't you embarrassed even just a little bit?
The Press never lets us down. This is them at their very best - regurgitating spin and PR for companies and corporations. The article is fiction complete with quote from Marketing Manager. Someone somewhere at The Press must feel some shame, a hint of guilt at forcing their writers or at being forced to lie through gritted teeth like this? If it was me I'd be in the shower for an hour tonight "Still not clean still not clean..." Come on Press, the whole of York knows what really happened, we were there. Have some self-respect because no-one else is going respect you with fluff like this. Aren't you embarrassed even just a little bit? Buzz Light-year
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1:15pm Tue 6 Nov 12

heworth.28 says...

Clearly a regurgitated press release by a reporter who wasn't there. Plenty of local promoters with experience of running large events who could have been consulted too, no doubt the council will take the blame for an event they didn't organise!
Clearly a regurgitated press release by a reporter who wasn't there. Plenty of local promoters with experience of running large events who could have been consulted too, no doubt the council will take the blame for an event they didn't organise! heworth.28
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1:16pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Robbie_333 says...

York Press - since when did getting one comment out of the marketing manager of the event constitute as journalism. Your article constructs an image of a happy event where everyone had a magical evening, why don't you try interviewing some "actual" people at the event next time! Clearly the event organisers and York council have paid you off or told you to create a positive image of the event because it was far far from it. Barring a gas chamber this event was about as close to a concentration camp as you can get. Appauling organisation from start to finish, and unlike your article I won't make up statistics to create an overally negative image but I'd go as far as to say most people coming away from this event would tick the "not satisfied" box!
York Press - since when did getting one comment out of the marketing manager of the event constitute as journalism. Your article constructs an image of a happy event where everyone had a magical evening, why don't you try interviewing some "actual" people at the event next time! Clearly the event organisers and York council have paid you off or told you to create a positive image of the event because it was far far from it. Barring a gas chamber this event was about as close to a concentration camp as you can get. Appauling organisation from start to finish, and unlike your article I won't make up statistics to create an overally negative image but I'd go as far as to say most people coming away from this event would tick the "not satisfied" box! Robbie_333
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1:19pm Tue 6 Nov 12

spittingpink says...

I was really disappointed, a few years ago my local village did a similar even on a smaller scale and the fire works display was much better!

The bands started to early, who's around at 4:30 on a monday after half term??

the ticket collectors were trying to scan barcodes in the dark with mobile phones before giving up and just taking the paper of anyone.

the bar was woefully understaffed leaving HUGE queues and a bit pricey after the price of entrance.

the food stalls were sparse and very expensive for what there were in some parts.

the DJ was embarrassingly bad, and I was very disappointed to hear Mr Rooney's boring account of the gun powder plot. I've always wanted to go on his ghost walk, I don't now.

the PA faced away from the fireworks which were barely in time with the music, after being nearly an hour late with no audible announcement by the fireworks.

And actually, the firework display was quite poor, yes there were a few good impressive ones, but lots of gaps and just generally badly co-ordinated.

To be quite honest, if it had cost me a fiver (like the one in rawcliffe everyone is raving about), then I would have probably been quite happy with it, but as it was so expensive I expected alot better!
I was really disappointed, a few years ago my local village did a similar even on a smaller scale and the fire works display was much better! The bands started to early, who's around at 4:30 on a monday after half term?? the ticket collectors were trying to scan barcodes in the dark with mobile phones before giving up and just taking the paper of anyone. the bar was woefully understaffed leaving HUGE queues and a bit pricey after the price of entrance. the food stalls were sparse and very expensive for what there were in some parts. the DJ was embarrassingly bad, and I was very disappointed to hear Mr Rooney's boring account of the gun powder plot. I've always wanted to go on his ghost walk, I don't now. the PA faced away from the fireworks which were barely in time with the music, after being nearly an hour late with no audible announcement by the fireworks. And actually, the firework display was quite poor, yes there were a few good impressive ones, but lots of gaps and just generally badly co-ordinated. To be quite honest, if it had cost me a fiver (like the one in rawcliffe everyone is raving about), then I would have probably been quite happy with it, but as it was so expensive I expected alot better! spittingpink
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1:26pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Funnyian says...

Well the press is always going to give this a rave review due to the amount of income they got with all the adverts pre event
Well the press is always going to give this a rave review due to the amount of income they got with all the adverts pre event Funnyian
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1:58pm Tue 6 Nov 12

laura21 says...

who wants half price entry to another event, i want my money back!!!!!!!
who wants half price entry to another event, i want my money back!!!!!!! laura21
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2:09pm Tue 6 Nov 12

SuperChris says...

There is a reason the knavesmire hasn't had a fireworks event in 17 years - Rat Race just reminded us
There is a reason the knavesmire hasn't had a fireworks event in 17 years - Rat Race just reminded us SuperChris
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2:18pm Tue 6 Nov 12

elliehick says...

laura21 wrote:
who wants half price entry to another event, i want my money back!!!!!!!
Too right!!
[quote][p][bold]laura21[/bold] wrote: who wants half price entry to another event, i want my money back!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Too right!! elliehick
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2:19pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Kevin Turvey says...

I suggest that all the people who were disappointed in the advertised spectacle last night complain to Rat Race and also to the editor of the Press for the poor standard of journalism/obvious incorrect reporting of the event.
I would also follow that up with a complaint to the press complaints commission of the obvious conflict of interest occurring and misleading nature of the story ran by the press.

I have made a complaint to the press and the PCC.
The contact information is below:

The Editor
The Press
PO Box 29
76-86 Walmgate
York
YO1 9YN
newsdesk@thepress.co
.uk

info@ratrace.com

complaints@pcc.org.u
k
http://www.pcc.org.u
k/

As I was watching from a public place I cannot obviously officially complain to Rat Race. However RatRace - The fireworks were poor and the bonfire in my woodburner makes for better viewing.

Additionally the egomaniac in the 4x4 who was a proxy representative of RatRace calmed down his approach to members of the public when I had a discreet word with him and suggested that it would not be us as members of the public who would be arrested for being in a public place but it would be him for obstruction and threatening behavior!

I have the number of his SIA certification and will also be making an official complaint to the SIA.
http://www.sia.homeo
ffice.gov.uk/Pages/e
nforcement-reporting
.aspx
Security Industry Authority
PO Box 1293
Liverpool
L69 1AX

The people in the photo shown may have a man with a machine gun behind them to make them smile a la communist Russia/North Korea!
I suggest that all the people who were disappointed in the advertised spectacle last night complain to Rat Race and also to the editor of the Press for the poor standard of journalism/obvious incorrect reporting of the event. I would also follow that up with a complaint to the press complaints commission of the obvious conflict of interest occurring and misleading nature of the story ran by the press. I have made a complaint to the press and the PCC. The contact information is below: The Editor The Press PO Box 29 76-86 Walmgate York YO1 9YN newsdesk@thepress.co .uk info@ratrace.com complaints@pcc.org.u k http://www.pcc.org.u k/ As I was watching from a public place I cannot obviously officially complain to Rat Race. However RatRace - The fireworks were poor and the bonfire in my woodburner makes for better viewing. Additionally the egomaniac in the 4x4 who was a proxy representative of RatRace calmed down his approach to members of the public when I had a discreet word with him and suggested that it would not be us as members of the public who would be arrested for being in a public place but it would be him for obstruction and threatening behavior! I have the number of his SIA certification and will also be making an official complaint to the SIA. http://www.sia.homeo ffice.gov.uk/Pages/e nforcement-reporting .aspx Security Industry Authority PO Box 1293 Liverpool L69 1AX The people in the photo shown may have a man with a machine gun behind them to make them smile a la communist Russia/North Korea! Kevin Turvey
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2:34pm Tue 6 Nov 12

retrorigg says...

with all due respect who are the fools for paying £12 each, i didnt bother as knew it would be a loada cr*p and a quick money making scheme for rat race, soooooooooooo glad i stayed away
with all due respect who are the fools for paying £12 each, i didnt bother as knew it would be a loada cr*p and a quick money making scheme for rat race, soooooooooooo glad i stayed away retrorigg
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2:35pm Tue 6 Nov 12

gibarch says...

The Irony of the press running an article of successful tips to enjoy the gunpowder plod yesterday

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/gunpowderplod
/news/10026503.Last_
minute_tips_for_a_su
ccessful_Gunpowder_P
lod/

You couldn't make this type of farce of plod, press and politicians up.
The Irony of the press running an article of successful tips to enjoy the gunpowder plod yesterday http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/gunpowderplod /news/10026503.Last_ minute_tips_for_a_su ccessful_Gunpowder_P lod/ You couldn't make this type of farce of plod, press and politicians up. gibarch
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2:51pm Tue 6 Nov 12

RenRoyale says...

WayneCarr wrote:
RenRoyale wrote: Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks!
Clearly a minority view. Glad you had a good time. Any chance you have ties with Rat Race Adventures in some way?
No ties, only started running just over 6 weeks ago- just enjoyed it :)
And no I dont have kids, but I was there with my friends and their children, we all had a great time!
[quote][p][bold]WayneCarr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RenRoyale[/bold] wrote: Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks![/p][/quote]Clearly a minority view. Glad you had a good time. Any chance you have ties with Rat Race Adventures in some way?[/p][/quote]No ties, only started running just over 6 weeks ago- just enjoyed it :) And no I dont have kids, but I was there with my friends and their children, we all had a great time! RenRoyale
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3:10pm Tue 6 Nov 12

AngryandFrustrated says...

RenRoyale wrote:
WayneCarr wrote:
RenRoyale wrote: Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks!
Clearly a minority view. Glad you had a good time. Any chance you have ties with Rat Race Adventures in some way?
No ties, only started running just over 6 weeks ago- just enjoyed it :) And no I dont have kids, but I was there with my friends and their children, we all had a great time!
Well you make yourself look a bit silly with your postings!

"I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it,", closely followed by, "only started running just over 6 weeks ago". Not really what you would call training for it, is it?!

"It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice" closely followed by, " And no I dont have kids". You wouldn't really know what family friendly was then, would you? You wouldn't be the one trying to get the "up late, over excited" kids to bed or trying to get the "up late" kids out of bed this morning.

I think you are missing the point. I am sure there were a lot of parents there who decided that for a treat, the children could go and watch an all singing, all dancing (according to the pre-event hype) firework and bonfire display and who paid out very good money as a result. However, a large proportion of those parents would have been relying on the fact that the fireworks WERE DUE TO START AT 8PM!!! Not 8.15pm. Not 8.30pm. Not 8.45pm. There is a world of difference in getting the children to bed by 9pm (as would be the case if everything had run smoothly and according to the advertised schedule) and getting to them to bed at 10pm. Yes, parents made their choice, but did so on wrong/false information. Legally, that is misrepresentation and gives parents and other disgruntled punters a course of action if they want their money back.

Am glad you enjoyed the event tho' - you need to get your friemnds posting on this thread to give it more balance because you appear to be the only ones that did enjoy it!
[quote][p][bold]RenRoyale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WayneCarr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RenRoyale[/bold] wrote: Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks![/p][/quote]Clearly a minority view. Glad you had a good time. Any chance you have ties with Rat Race Adventures in some way?[/p][/quote]No ties, only started running just over 6 weeks ago- just enjoyed it :) And no I dont have kids, but I was there with my friends and their children, we all had a great time![/p][/quote]Well you make yourself look a bit silly with your postings! "I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it,", closely followed by, "only started running just over 6 weeks ago". Not really what you would call training for it, is it?! "It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice" closely followed by, " And no I dont have kids". You wouldn't really know what family friendly was then, would you? You wouldn't be the one trying to get the "up late, over excited" kids to bed or trying to get the "up late" kids out of bed this morning. I think you are missing the point. I am sure there were a lot of parents there who decided that for a treat, the children could go and watch an all singing, all dancing (according to the pre-event hype) firework and bonfire display and who paid out very good money as a result. However, a large proportion of those parents would have been relying on the fact that the fireworks WERE DUE TO START AT 8PM!!! Not 8.15pm. Not 8.30pm. Not 8.45pm. There is a world of difference in getting the children to bed by 9pm (as would be the case if everything had run smoothly and according to the advertised schedule) and getting to them to bed at 10pm. Yes, parents made their choice, but did so on wrong/false information. Legally, that is misrepresentation and gives parents and other disgruntled punters a course of action if they want their money back. Am glad you enjoyed the event tho' - you need to get your friemnds posting on this thread to give it more balance because you appear to be the only ones that did enjoy it! AngryandFrustrated
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3:13pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Ageing Hippy says...

What a real shame, the event seemed to promise so much but apparently delivered soooo little, The Ship in Strensall offered good beer a brilliant atmosphere and an absolutely FANTASTIC free firework show, and they DID deliver.
Thank you The Ship!
What a real shame, the event seemed to promise so much but apparently delivered soooo little, The Ship in Strensall offered good beer a brilliant atmosphere and an absolutely FANTASTIC free firework show, and they DID deliver. Thank you The Ship! Ageing Hippy
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3:17pm Tue 6 Nov 12

bellalou says...

Well this was a complete waste of money, and what was meant to be a nice family outing resulted in a wash out basically. Arriving at 7pm to look around etc we were very disapointed.
The area was not well let resulting in people falling and tripping over.
Stood in a que for an hour for a hot dog, great family time together!
Fireworks started so late that my child ended up crying and wanted to leave. He is 10! God knows how people managed with there younger children, to stay warm and to amuse them.
We would have had more fun at home. So we will not bother next year.
Well this was a complete waste of money, and what was meant to be a nice family outing resulted in a wash out basically. Arriving at 7pm to look around etc we were very disapointed. The area was not well let resulting in people falling and tripping over. Stood in a que for an hour for a hot dog, great family time together! Fireworks started so late that my child ended up crying and wanted to leave. He is 10! God knows how people managed with there younger children, to stay warm and to amuse them. We would have had more fun at home. So we will not bother next year. bellalou
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3:19pm Tue 6 Nov 12

dj4 says...

I thought the Vic Reeves' Wonderland was bad and that only got 79 negative comments. At least, there was no queue for the food in Museum Gardens for that one - probably because people only spent an average of ten minutes on their tour of the "spectacle".

Since when did York Press turn into some Pravda for the city council, pushing out puff pieces for crap events, describing them as "spectacular" and "nights to remember" when the general consensus is that they were tacky, amateur and badly run? I did not have the dubious pleasure of going to the Gunpowder Plod, unfortunately. How outrageous though that members of the public should stand in a freely accessible public space and expect to see the display for free - what a crazy idea when the organisers to hold it in a large flat open location.

I strongly encourage the editors of the Press to write a genuine investigative journalism piece on why these farcical events are being allowed to happen in the city, and restore a bit of professional pride in their organisation.
I thought the Vic Reeves' Wonderland was bad and that only got 79 negative comments. At least, there was no queue for the food in Museum Gardens for that one - probably because people only spent an average of ten minutes on their tour of the "spectacle". Since when did York Press turn into some Pravda for the city council, pushing out puff pieces for crap events, describing them as "spectacular" and "nights to remember" when the general consensus is that they were tacky, amateur and badly run? I did not have the dubious pleasure of going to the Gunpowder Plod, unfortunately. How outrageous though that members of the public should stand in a freely accessible public space and expect to see the display for free - what a crazy idea when the organisers to hold it in a large flat open location. I strongly encourage the editors of the Press to write a genuine investigative journalism piece on why these farcical events are being allowed to happen in the city, and restore a bit of professional pride in their organisation. dj4
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3:28pm Tue 6 Nov 12

lou-loubell says...

I attended this event last night as one of the runners for the Gunpowder Plod. This is the first run I have ever done, and so didn't think £20 was too bad.

Yes ok, the registration for the race was slow and probably could have been avoided the race was delayed, but considering there were in excess of 1500 people running this is to be expected. The race went well, the fire effects round the track were good (although not the fire dancer & eaters I was expecting!)
The queue for the drinks, medals and chocolate after the race was long, but moved very fast. Once the run was over, it was a short wait until the fireworks started, and Minster FM on the stage kept updating everyone on the delay.
The fireworks were SPECTACULAR followed by a great set from Reverend and the Makers.

I do not think there was an expectation for such an amazing amount of people at this event. There needed to be more food stalls and drinks stalls as the queues were massive, but the activities going on were good, and I have already recieved an apology from Rat Race via email, so they are very aware of the problems we all faced. Moaning about the cold, and the dark toilets is stupid...its bonfire night!
I thoroughly enjoyed my night (even the running!)
I attended this event last night as one of the runners for the Gunpowder Plod. This is the first run I have ever done, and so didn't think £20 was too bad. Yes ok, the registration for the race was slow and probably could have been avoided the race was delayed, but considering there were in excess of 1500 people running this is to be expected. The race went well, the fire effects round the track were good (although not the fire dancer & eaters I was expecting!) The queue for the drinks, medals and chocolate after the race was long, but moved very fast. Once the run was over, it was a short wait until the fireworks started, and Minster FM on the stage kept updating everyone on the delay. The fireworks were SPECTACULAR followed by a great set from Reverend and the Makers. I do not think there was an expectation for such an amazing amount of people at this event. There needed to be more food stalls and drinks stalls as the queues were massive, but the activities going on were good, and I have already recieved an apology from Rat Race via email, so they are very aware of the problems we all faced. Moaning about the cold, and the dark toilets is stupid...its bonfire night! I thoroughly enjoyed my night (even the running!) lou-loubell
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3:29pm Tue 6 Nov 12

DawnMH says...

Shame on you. You either allowed a reporter who wasn't at an event to report on it OR, more likely, you deliberately misrepresented and lied about an event, either way you are a disgrace. I'm sure it's been pointed out before, but if you can't even apply accuracy and fairness to a report about a social event, how do you expect any of your reporting to have any credibility?
This event was woeful in it's lack of organisation from start to finish. Had food and drink (a basic requirement for any event) been available to attendees then the cold and delays would not have been such an issue. I'm afraid, cold, hungry, thirsty, bored children at any family event are a recipe for disaster and therefore, yes, there were indeed hundreds of people leaving before the fireworks even began.
Disappointed in the event and disgusted by the reporting of it.
Shame on you. You either allowed a reporter who wasn't at an event to report on it OR, more likely, you deliberately misrepresented and lied about an event, either way you are a disgrace. I'm sure it's been pointed out before, but if you can't even apply accuracy and fairness to a report about a social event, how do you expect any of your reporting to have any credibility? This event was woeful in it's lack of organisation from start to finish. Had food and drink (a basic requirement for any event) been available to attendees then the cold and delays would not have been such an issue. I'm afraid, cold, hungry, thirsty, bored children at any family event are a recipe for disaster and therefore, yes, there were indeed hundreds of people leaving before the fireworks even began. Disappointed in the event and disgusted by the reporting of it. DawnMH
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3:37pm Tue 6 Nov 12

hlsbusiness says...

What an absolute farce, both the reporting and the event! Did the reporter even bother to attend I wonder?

From arriving and being directed to park on the street (this was chargeable?) then the long trek through the dark to find the tickets not even looked at, to the dark registration tent where I had to queue 3 times as our number on our scanned ticket wasn't the same as our running number, to then sign a disclaimer that it was too dark to read.

The field was boggy, dark and dangerous in places.

After THREE warm up attempts we finally trekked across a narrow bridge to the far side of the Knavesmire where there was no form of streaming so fast runners were stuck behind slow runners on a narrow path (I'm a slow runner and felt in the way) to a pathetic pyro display - can a few candles in pots be called a pyro display? and a sound effect that was more suited to Halloween than Bonfire night.

I have no idea of my race time, supposedly they may have them up for 4pm tomorrow despite us all being issued chips, and barely half the runners appear to be in the official race photos.

My frozen family had no idea the race had even started and the runners were so far removed from the rest of the event they might as well have been two separate events.

I certainly wont take advantage of a half price entry to another Rat Race event as this is the only one I have experience of and that experience was appalling.

Whilst the charity gesture was nice we all paid so much for this travesty that a refund of some form would have been more appropriate.

And next time they tell you that as a runner you get a £20 Gunpowder Plod technical tshirt as part of your entry it might be better if they then didn't sell the same t-shirt to non runners for a fiver on the night!

There was nothing special about this event at all and next year I'll attend one of the other organised events or even the local pub, all of which will be better organised and more entertaining.

I do wonder what the firework display was to the back of the racecourse over Acomb way as that was going off most of the time we were heading over to the start and during the race and looked to be much better than the one we stood around in the freezing cold for.
What an absolute farce, both the reporting and the event! Did the reporter even bother to attend I wonder? From arriving and being directed to park on the street (this was chargeable?) then the long trek through the dark to find the tickets not even looked at, to the dark registration tent where I had to queue 3 times as our number on our scanned ticket wasn't the same as our running number, to then sign a disclaimer that it was too dark to read. The field was boggy, dark and dangerous in places. After THREE warm up attempts we finally trekked across a narrow bridge to the far side of the Knavesmire where there was no form of streaming so fast runners were stuck behind slow runners on a narrow path (I'm a slow runner and felt in the way) to a pathetic pyro display - can a few candles in pots be called a pyro display? and a sound effect that was more suited to Halloween than Bonfire night. I have no idea of my race time, supposedly they may have them up for 4pm tomorrow despite us all being issued chips, and barely half the runners appear to be in the official race photos. My frozen family had no idea the race had even started and the runners were so far removed from the rest of the event they might as well have been two separate events. I certainly wont take advantage of a half price entry to another Rat Race event as this is the only one I have experience of and that experience was appalling. Whilst the charity gesture was nice we all paid so much for this travesty that a refund of some form would have been more appropriate. And next time they tell you that as a runner you get a £20 Gunpowder Plod technical tshirt as part of your entry it might be better if they then didn't sell the same t-shirt to non runners for a fiver on the night! There was nothing special about this event at all and next year I'll attend one of the other organised events or even the local pub, all of which will be better organised and more entertaining. I do wonder what the firework display was to the back of the racecourse over Acomb way as that was going off most of the time we were heading over to the start and during the race and looked to be much better than the one we stood around in the freezing cold for. hlsbusiness
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3:39pm Tue 6 Nov 12

dougz50 says...

lou-loubell wrote:
I attended this event last night as one of the runners for the Gunpowder Plod. This is the first run I have ever done, and so didn't think £20 was too bad. Yes ok, the registration for the race was slow and probably could have been avoided the race was delayed, but considering there were in excess of 1500 people running this is to be expected. The race went well, the fire effects round the track were good (although not the fire dancer & eaters I was expecting!) The queue for the drinks, medals and chocolate after the race was long, but moved very fast. Once the run was over, it was a short wait until the fireworks started, and Minster FM on the stage kept updating everyone on the delay. The fireworks were SPECTACULAR followed by a great set from Reverend and the Makers. I do not think there was an expectation for such an amazing amount of people at this event. There needed to be more food stalls and drinks stalls as the queues were massive, but the activities going on were good, and I have already recieved an apology from Rat Race via email, so they are very aware of the problems we all faced. Moaning about the cold, and the dark toilets is stupid...its bonfire night! I thoroughly enjoyed my night (even the running!)
"I do not think there was an expectation for such an amazing amount of people at this event"

Of course they had an expectation they sold tickets online before the event itself....it was sold out on Sunday so they knew exactly how many tickets they had sold...that is what makes the inadequate facilities so hard to stomach.

You probably had the better end of the deal running as it kept you warm.
[quote][p][bold]lou-loubell[/bold] wrote: I attended this event last night as one of the runners for the Gunpowder Plod. This is the first run I have ever done, and so didn't think £20 was too bad. Yes ok, the registration for the race was slow and probably could have been avoided the race was delayed, but considering there were in excess of 1500 people running this is to be expected. The race went well, the fire effects round the track were good (although not the fire dancer & eaters I was expecting!) The queue for the drinks, medals and chocolate after the race was long, but moved very fast. Once the run was over, it was a short wait until the fireworks started, and Minster FM on the stage kept updating everyone on the delay. The fireworks were SPECTACULAR followed by a great set from Reverend and the Makers. I do not think there was an expectation for such an amazing amount of people at this event. There needed to be more food stalls and drinks stalls as the queues were massive, but the activities going on were good, and I have already recieved an apology from Rat Race via email, so they are very aware of the problems we all faced. Moaning about the cold, and the dark toilets is stupid...its bonfire night! I thoroughly enjoyed my night (even the running!)[/p][/quote]"I do not think there was an expectation for such an amazing amount of people at this event" Of course they had an expectation they sold tickets online before the event itself....it was sold out on Sunday so they knew exactly how many tickets they had sold...that is what makes the inadequate facilities so hard to stomach. You probably had the better end of the deal running as it kept you warm. dougz50
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3:39pm Tue 6 Nov 12

DeclanSwan says...

Gunpowder plod. More like Gunpowder plop. What a complete waste of time and money. I paid the the £35 entry fee and no one checked ticket. I also paid £5.00 for parking, which was flooded so i parked on the street.
Could'nt get a drink or food.
Arrived at 7.00 and bonfire disappeared.
Fireworks 50 mins late.
Never again.
I thought 5th November was about Guy Fawkes not Dick Turpin? Still it was nice to see that he turned up to empty our pockets!
Gunpowder plod. More like Gunpowder plop. What a complete waste of time and money. I paid the the £35 entry fee and no one checked ticket. I also paid £5.00 for parking, which was flooded so i parked on the street. Could'nt get a drink or food. Arrived at 7.00 and bonfire disappeared. Fireworks 50 mins late. Never again. I thought 5th November was about Guy Fawkes not Dick Turpin? Still it was nice to see that he turned up to empty our pockets! DeclanSwan
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3:41pm Tue 6 Nov 12

SteadyOn says...

Well, I thoroughly enjoyed the Bishopthorpe bonfire and fireworks at the Ebor Inn last night and at the Marcia Inn on Saturday. Both very good value for money with respect to the entrance fees and the quality of the displays.

It is clear from the comments posted on this story and from the feedback I have had from friends and colleagues who were unfortunate enough to have attended the Gunpowder Plod, that the Press 'report' is wholly inaccurate and little more than a press-release from the organisers. At very best this is sloppy, lazy journalism which, along with the pointless, expensive and wasteful Freedom of Information requests, is becoming all-too-common in this newspaper.

Don't hold your breath for a Pulitzer prize, Megi Rychlikova. Your jounalsitic integrity has just gone up in flames.
Well, I thoroughly enjoyed the Bishopthorpe bonfire and fireworks at the Ebor Inn last night and at the Marcia Inn on Saturday. Both very good value for money with respect to the entrance fees and the quality of the displays. It is clear from the comments posted on this story and from the feedback I have had from friends and colleagues who were unfortunate enough to have attended the Gunpowder Plod, that the Press 'report' is wholly inaccurate and little more than a press-release from the organisers. At very best this is sloppy, lazy journalism which, along with the pointless, expensive and wasteful Freedom of Information requests, is becoming all-too-common in this newspaper. Don't hold your breath for a Pulitzer prize, Megi Rychlikova. Your jounalsitic integrity has just gone up in flames. SteadyOn
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3:49pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Pedro says...

I feel sorry for the people who paid money to get, basically, what anybody could have got for nothing. The fireworks were just about OK. I mean they hadn't spent much on them, but they were OK. People sat and watched it in their cars from Knavesmire Road, eating their own food. So they knew something already. The course was lit by lanterns and not in the total dark. With a proper heated tent and better marshaling it could have been a success. The idea isn't really that bad.
I feel sorry for the people who paid money to get, basically, what anybody could have got for nothing. The fireworks were just about OK. I mean they hadn't spent much on them, but they were OK. People sat and watched it in their cars from Knavesmire Road, eating their own food. So they knew something already. The course was lit by lanterns and not in the total dark. With a proper heated tent and better marshaling it could have been a success. The idea isn't really that bad. Pedro
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4:00pm Tue 6 Nov 12

huntersway says...

The Knavesmire is a public area, free for people to move about and use. Fine if they want to organise events at the racecourse, but having security trying to move you off the knavesmire 'because you haven't paid' is not legal. If it had been free and with a charity collection, thousands of people would have come and accepted any restrictions without complaint. A group of us watched it from the far end, were moved three times without good reason after having cheered on the runners. These events must either be open to all, or restricted to the stands of the racecourse if there is a charge. The fireworks were pretty good,would have happily donated a few quid to charity for that.
The Knavesmire is a public area, free for people to move about and use. Fine if they want to organise events at the racecourse, but having security trying to move you off the knavesmire 'because you haven't paid' is not legal. If it had been free and with a charity collection, thousands of people would have come and accepted any restrictions without complaint. A group of us watched it from the far end, were moved three times without good reason after having cheered on the runners. These events must either be open to all, or restricted to the stands of the racecourse if there is a charge. The fireworks were pretty good,would have happily donated a few quid to charity for that. huntersway
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4:09pm Tue 6 Nov 12

laura21 says...

elliehick wrote:
laura21 wrote: who wants half price entry to another event, i want my money back!!!!!!!
Too right!!
Something needs to be done and we want a refund i will complain till i get one.
[quote][p][bold]elliehick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]laura21[/bold] wrote: who wants half price entry to another event, i want my money back!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Too right!![/p][/quote]Something needs to be done and we want a refund i will complain till i get one. laura21
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4:09pm Tue 6 Nov 12

courier46 says...

RenRoyale wrote:
WayneCarr wrote:
RenRoyale wrote: Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks!
Clearly a minority view. Glad you had a good time. Any chance you have ties with Rat Race Adventures in some way?
No ties, only started running just over 6 weeks ago- just enjoyed it :)
And no I dont have kids, but I was there with my friends and their children, we all had a great time!
Our grandchildren where wrapped up but when your standing for an hour a 3 and 5 year old do get cold.
[quote][p][bold]RenRoyale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WayneCarr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RenRoyale[/bold] wrote: Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks![/p][/quote]Clearly a minority view. Glad you had a good time. Any chance you have ties with Rat Race Adventures in some way?[/p][/quote]No ties, only started running just over 6 weeks ago- just enjoyed it :) And no I dont have kids, but I was there with my friends and their children, we all had a great time![/p][/quote]Our grandchildren where wrapped up but when your standing for an hour a 3 and 5 year old do get cold. courier46
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4:09pm Tue 6 Nov 12

courier46 says...

RenRoyale wrote:
WayneCarr wrote:
RenRoyale wrote: Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks!
Clearly a minority view. Glad you had a good time. Any chance you have ties with Rat Race Adventures in some way?
No ties, only started running just over 6 weeks ago- just enjoyed it :)
And no I dont have kids, but I was there with my friends and their children, we all had a great time!
Our grandchildren where wrapped up but when your standing for an hour a 3 and 5 year old do get cold.
[quote][p][bold]RenRoyale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WayneCarr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RenRoyale[/bold] wrote: Sad to see such a slating, yes there are certainly some learns for if they ever do it again, the organisation was a bit all over the place but it was the first time it was here and a bloody good effort was made to FINALLY have something in the town (or close to) rather than having to trek out to the maze. It was family friendly, and before anyone tells me their poor kids didnt get into bed until 10pm on a school night, well, its bonfire night and it just so happened to fall on a school night, you make your choice. As for being cold, again I remind people its the 5th November, wrap up warm, were Rat Race expected to supply everyone with their own portable heater! I was one of the runners, Ive never done anything like this before and have trained for it, I had a really good time, a good atmosphere, spectacular fireworks, some cracking live music and luckily, because all you moaning minnies left it meant I walked straight to the bar and got served no fuss! So thanks![/p][/quote]Clearly a minority view. Glad you had a good time. Any chance you have ties with Rat Race Adventures in some way?[/p][/quote]No ties, only started running just over 6 weeks ago- just enjoyed it :) And no I dont have kids, but I was there with my friends and their children, we all had a great time![/p][/quote]Our grandchildren where wrapped up but when your standing for an hour a 3 and 5 year old do get cold. courier46
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4:11pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Lucas_of_H says...

I had a great night. Good to see some big fireworks back in York.
Bands were pretty good. Beer tent ones especially.
Had some tasty coffee which i didn’t have to queue for.
Well done Rat race. Good show. Next time try and keep it on time though. Surprised people didn’t blame the cold weather on the organisers.
I had a great night. Good to see some big fireworks back in York. Bands were pretty good. Beer tent ones especially. Had some tasty coffee which i didn’t have to queue for. Well done Rat race. Good show. Next time try and keep it on time though. Surprised people didn’t blame the cold weather on the organisers. Lucas_of_H
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4:13pm Tue 6 Nov 12

cheryl_run says...

I just found my way here from Twitter, where I'd heard that there was a controversial article with lots of comments. I have to agree with the majority of them.

I travelled with my fiance and his sister to be at the event. My fiance and I were visiting from the Preston area, and his sister from the Newcastle area. When we arrived, there were no instructions. We were waved in, queued at a large tent and were on our way forward when we were asked if we had our race numbers. We hadn't, so as my fiance stepped back to let the two of us find our way we were crushed amongst thousands trying to reach a small board with a little list of names. Mine was there, my running partner's wasn't.

She wandered off in search of help, I was almost crushed trying to reach another table to sign a disclaimer form, and eventually I got back to the long queue for the first tent to find that I'd lost my printed barcode, proof of payment. Apparently that didn't matter - after a long queue thinking I wouldn't be allowed to enter I was told it didn't matter and was given my pack. Already by this point we were running half an hour late, I had to find my fiance and his sister in the crowds and I was stressed and upset.

The run itself? Absolutely fine. I enjoyed it, I met my personal goals and I got a good photograph from the official race photographers, but runners were then left freezing in wet clothes queueing again for medals. We got back to my fiance and were desperately cold, pulled on out coats and tried to reach food. After queuing for almost an hour for a pizza, having to watch the fireworks from afar, we reached the front to be told they'd just sold out. We'd had enough. We were hungry, thirsty and freezing cold, and we left along with hundreds of others.

I've received an apology email today, but I fail to see how big race organisers as they supposedly are could have let the event become so badly organised. Hundreds of people crushing together to read their name from a size ten font list? Three different queues to get registered? Nobody to check that we'd actually paid (though I'm grateful for this one!)? All could have been sold if disclaimer forms could have been signed online when we entered, and race numbers sent out my email.

Am I glad I attended? Yes, it's an experience checked off my list. I'm proud of what I achieved, especially given the stress before the run, but I certainly won't be attending again if it's held in future.
I just found my way here from Twitter, where I'd heard that there was a controversial article with lots of comments. I have to agree with the majority of them. I travelled with my fiance and his sister to be at the event. My fiance and I were visiting from the Preston area, and his sister from the Newcastle area. When we arrived, there were no instructions. We were waved in, queued at a large tent and were on our way forward when we were asked if we had our race numbers. We hadn't, so as my fiance stepped back to let the two of us find our way we were crushed amongst thousands trying to reach a small board with a little list of names. Mine was there, my running partner's wasn't. She wandered off in search of help, I was almost crushed trying to reach another table to sign a disclaimer form, and eventually I got back to the long queue for the first tent to find that I'd lost my printed barcode, proof of payment. Apparently that didn't matter - after a long queue thinking I wouldn't be allowed to enter I was told it didn't matter and was given my pack. Already by this point we were running half an hour late, I had to find my fiance and his sister in the crowds and I was stressed and upset. The run itself? Absolutely fine. I enjoyed it, I met my personal goals and I got a good photograph from the official race photographers, but runners were then left freezing in wet clothes queueing again for medals. We got back to my fiance and were desperately cold, pulled on out coats and tried to reach food. After queuing for almost an hour for a pizza, having to watch the fireworks from afar, we reached the front to be told they'd just sold out. We'd had enough. We were hungry, thirsty and freezing cold, and we left along with hundreds of others. I've received an apology email today, but I fail to see how big race organisers as they supposedly are could have let the event become so badly organised. Hundreds of people crushing together to read their name from a size ten font list? Three different queues to get registered? Nobody to check that we'd actually paid (though I'm grateful for this one!)? All could have been sold if disclaimer forms could have been signed online when we entered, and race numbers sent out my email. Am I glad I attended? Yes, it's an experience checked off my list. I'm proud of what I achieved, especially given the stress before the run, but I certainly won't be attending again if it's held in future. cheryl_run
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4:14pm Tue 6 Nov 12

elliehick says...

Lucas_of_H wrote:
I had a great night. Good to see some big fireworks back in York. Bands were pretty good. Beer tent ones especially. Had some tasty coffee which i didn’t have to queue for. Well done Rat race. Good show. Next time try and keep it on time though. Surprised people didn’t blame the cold weather on the organisers.
Did you go to the same event?!?!?! Of course, it was cold. It just wasnt thought out and very well planned.
[quote][p][bold]Lucas_of_H[/bold] wrote: I had a great night. Good to see some big fireworks back in York. Bands were pretty good. Beer tent ones especially. Had some tasty coffee which i didn’t have to queue for. Well done Rat race. Good show. Next time try and keep it on time though. Surprised people didn’t blame the cold weather on the organisers.[/p][/quote]Did you go to the same event?!?!?! Of course, it was cold. It just wasnt thought out and very well planned. elliehick
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4:24pm Tue 6 Nov 12

wailingyorkwalls says...

Poor reporting by Megi Rychlikova.

I hope the press makes amends by reporting real events in the future, rather than make believe when they put their paper to bed early.
Poor reporting by Megi Rychlikova. I hope the press makes amends by reporting real events in the future, rather than make believe when they put their paper to bed early. wailingyorkwalls
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4:27pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Funnyian says...

Just listened to the interview on Minster FM from the organiser what a cop out and a gesture of £5,000 to a charity sounds good until you look into the figures, by his own admittance over 7,000 people attended @ £12 each that’s £84,000 less production costs say £50k That’s still £29K profit! And he still insists it was a success!
Just listened to the interview on Minster FM from the organiser what a cop out and a gesture of £5,000 to a charity sounds good until you look into the figures, by his own admittance over 7,000 people attended @ £12 each that’s £84,000 less production costs say £50k That’s still £29K profit! And he still insists it was a success! Funnyian
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4:34pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Woody G Mellor says...

After reading most of the above comments it sounds like it was great! Just gutted that I missed it.
After reading most of the above comments it sounds like it was great! Just gutted that I missed it. Woody G Mellor
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4:36pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Lotus Eater says...

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/10029536
.Organisers_apologis
e_over_Knavesmire_fi
reworks_event/

"Editor’s Note: Our print deadlines and the hour-long delay caused by people running on to Knavesmire meant that our earlier reports of this event did not cover the criticism that has since emerged. We have now spoken to the organisers who have apologised for the problems that occurred."
http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/10029536 .Organisers_apologis e_over_Knavesmire_fi reworks_event/ "Editor’s Note: Our print deadlines and the hour-long delay caused by people running on to Knavesmire meant that our earlier reports of this event did not cover the criticism that has since emerged. We have now spoken to the organisers who have apologised for the problems that occurred." Lotus Eater
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4:43pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Walton71 says...

Interesting you can not put any comments under that news article I wonder why?
Interesting you can not put any comments under that news article I wonder why? Walton71
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4:46pm Tue 6 Nov 12

gibarch says...

Walton71 wrote:
Interesting you can not put any comments under that news article I wonder why?
And it took the press almost 7 hours to correct the story (sort of).
[quote][p][bold]Walton71[/bold] wrote: Interesting you can not put any comments under that news article I wonder why?[/p][/quote]And it took the press almost 7 hours to correct the story (sort of). gibarch
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4:49pm Tue 6 Nov 12

razor08 says...

Lotus Eater wrote:
http://www.yorkpress

.co.uk/news/10029536

.Organisers_apologis

e_over_Knavesmire_fi

reworks_event/

"Editor’s Note: Our print deadlines and the hour-long delay caused by people running on to Knavesmire meant that our earlier reports of this event did not cover the criticism that has since emerged. We have now spoken to the organisers who have apologised for the problems that occurred."
It has only taken The Press 7 hours to pick up on this fiasco I think they don't follow comments put on this website they are to busy writing about other events that have not happened yet and the lame excuse about deadlines is weak I think we still require an apology about the very bad reporting.
[quote][p][bold]Lotus Eater[/bold] wrote: http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/10029536 .Organisers_apologis e_over_Knavesmire_fi reworks_event/ "Editor’s Note: Our print deadlines and the hour-long delay caused by people running on to Knavesmire meant that our earlier reports of this event did not cover the criticism that has since emerged. We have now spoken to the organisers who have apologised for the problems that occurred."[/p][/quote]It has only taken The Press 7 hours to pick up on this fiasco I think they don't follow comments put on this website they are to busy writing about other events that have not happened yet and the lame excuse about deadlines is weak I think we still require an apology about the very bad reporting. razor08
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4:58pm Tue 6 Nov 12

3.8liter says...

Oh well, that's put the damper on any future major bonfire events in York for at least 5 years. People like me rememberd the last **** up, so certainly were not risking forking out £12
for another.
Can you imagine how much worse it would have been if it had been lashing it down with rain? I think they were quite lucky in the circumstances.
Watch out for the usual over hyped cons that usually come out over Christmas, especially those over promoted in the Press.
Oh well, that's put the damper on any future major bonfire events in York for at least 5 years. People like me rememberd the last **** up, so certainly were not risking forking out £12 for another. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been if it had been lashing it down with rain? I think they were quite lucky in the circumstances. Watch out for the usual over hyped cons that usually come out over Christmas, especially those over promoted in the Press. 3.8liter
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5:02pm Tue 6 Nov 12

again says...

ceebeelee wrote:
York Press??? You disgust me!! In no sense of the word have you 'reported' what actually went on last night!!!

I'm sure the endless comments that will be made about last night might suggest to you that if you are going to report on an event actually go there!
The Press sinks from bad to worse. It is a pathetic excuse for a newspaper.
[quote][p][bold]ceebeelee[/bold] wrote: York Press??? You disgust me!! In no sense of the word have you 'reported' what actually went on last night!!! I'm sure the endless comments that will be made about last night might suggest to you that if you are going to report on an event actually go there![/p][/quote]The Press sinks from bad to worse. It is a pathetic excuse for a newspaper. again
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5:13pm Tue 6 Nov 12

AngryandFrustrated says...

Let's be honest - on the face of it, this had the look of a great event - unfortunately, what it looked like and what it was, were two different things. York deserves a good community fireworks display. This by necessity involves the local council who over successive administrations have run as fast as possible away from being involved in it.

Until CofYC, whether it be controlled by the LibDums, Tories or Labour get a grip and take control over organising the event, there will always be potential for disaster at a York wide event, especially if it is hosted by a private organisation on a space that is open to the general public 99% of the time.

If you want free fireworks/pay a nominal fee, go to a local pub , local school etc. You cannot then complain about what does or doesn't happen.

If you want to pay mid range, say £5-7 go to displays that have a good track record - I'm going for Rawcliffe next year.

If you want to splash out and pay£12+ then go to a display with a good track record - had I known what was going on at the Maze I would have gone there because the combination of fireworks and HUGE for £12.95 seems like a bargain to me!

As for the Press and their reaction to the negative postings - I am at a loss! This story was posted online today, after 9am. Had they had someone at the event, they would have known how bad it was. To actually address the dissatisfaction of attendees at after 4pm on the same day as posting a wholly inaccurate story is shameful at the very least, and to try and excuse their poor reporting is even worse. Where is the editorial control Mr Chief Editor?!!!
Let's be honest - on the face of it, this had the look of a great event - unfortunately, what it looked like and what it was, were two different things. York deserves a good community fireworks display. This by necessity involves the local council who over successive administrations have run as fast as possible away from being involved in it. Until CofYC, whether it be controlled by the LibDums, Tories or Labour get a grip and take control over organising the event, there will always be potential for disaster at a York wide event, especially if it is hosted by a private organisation on a space that is open to the general public 99% of the time. If you want free fireworks/pay a nominal fee, go to a local pub , local school etc. You cannot then complain about what does or doesn't happen. If you want to pay mid range, say £5-7 go to displays that have a good track record - I'm going for Rawcliffe next year. If you want to splash out and pay£12+ then go to a display with a good track record - had I known what was going on at the Maze I would have gone there because the combination of fireworks and HUGE for £12.95 seems like a bargain to me! As for the Press and their reaction to the negative postings - I am at a loss! This story was posted online today, after 9am. Had they had someone at the event, they would have known how bad it was. To actually address the dissatisfaction of attendees at after 4pm on the same day as posting a wholly inaccurate story is shameful at the very least, and to try and excuse their poor reporting is even worse. Where is the editorial control Mr Chief Editor?!!! AngryandFrustrated
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5:24pm Tue 6 Nov 12

BKKYorkshireboy says...

You really are Angry & Frustrated aren't you!! That's your 6th comment having a dig.. even I have calmed down now that almost 24 hours has passed!!
You really are Angry & Frustrated aren't you!! That's your 6th comment having a dig.. even I have calmed down now that almost 24 hours has passed!! BKKYorkshireboy
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5:27pm Tue 6 Nov 12

maaw08 says...

lou-loubell wrote:
I attended this event last night as one of the runners for the Gunpowder Plod. This is the first run I have ever done, and so didn't think £20 was too bad.

Yes ok, the registration for the race was slow and probably could have been avoided the race was delayed, but considering there were in excess of 1500 people running this is to be expected. The race went well, the fire effects round the track were good (although not the fire dancer & eaters I was expecting!)
The queue for the drinks, medals and chocolate after the race was long, but moved very fast. Once the run was over, it was a short wait until the fireworks started, and Minster FM on the stage kept updating everyone on the delay.
The fireworks were SPECTACULAR followed by a great set from Reverend and the Makers.

I do not think there was an expectation for such an amazing amount of people at this event. There needed to be more food stalls and drinks stalls as the queues were massive, but the activities going on were good, and I have already recieved an apology from Rat Race via email, so they are very aware of the problems we all faced. Moaning about the cold, and the dark toilets is stupid...its bonfire night!
I thoroughly enjoyed my night (even the running!)
'I do not think there was an expectation for such an amazing amount of people at this event'

There was 10,000 tickets for sale so therefore they surely should have planned to accommodate 10,000 people? Well, they didn't. One beer tent and I could count the bar staff serving on one hand. A couple of food stalls hence ridiculous queues. People didn't get what they paid for. The fireworks and the bonfire were pathetic. The event this reporter went to sounds great - it cannot be the same one I attended last night!
All in all a complete shambles. I will be asking for a refund!
[quote][p][bold]lou-loubell[/bold] wrote: I attended this event last night as one of the runners for the Gunpowder Plod. This is the first run I have ever done, and so didn't think £20 was too bad. Yes ok, the registration for the race was slow and probably could have been avoided the race was delayed, but considering there were in excess of 1500 people running this is to be expected. The race went well, the fire effects round the track were good (although not the fire dancer & eaters I was expecting!) The queue for the drinks, medals and chocolate after the race was long, but moved very fast. Once the run was over, it was a short wait until the fireworks started, and Minster FM on the stage kept updating everyone on the delay. The fireworks were SPECTACULAR followed by a great set from Reverend and the Makers. I do not think there was an expectation for such an amazing amount of people at this event. There needed to be more food stalls and drinks stalls as the queues were massive, but the activities going on were good, and I have already recieved an apology from Rat Race via email, so they are very aware of the problems we all faced. Moaning about the cold, and the dark toilets is stupid...its bonfire night! I thoroughly enjoyed my night (even the running!)[/p][/quote]'I do not think there was an expectation for such an amazing amount of people at this event' There was 10,000 tickets for sale so therefore they surely should have planned to accommodate 10,000 people? Well, they didn't. One beer tent and I could count the bar staff serving on one hand. A couple of food stalls hence ridiculous queues. People didn't get what they paid for. The fireworks and the bonfire were pathetic. The event this reporter went to sounds great - it cannot be the same one I attended last night! All in all a complete shambles. I will be asking for a refund! maaw08
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5:44pm Tue 6 Nov 12

fixedfanatic says...

Cycled past the Knavesmire at 7.20pm and could barely tell there was an event on. If you want to run 5km around the racecourse try York Park Run every Saturday morning, no gimmicks, well organised and FREE!!
Cycled past the Knavesmire at 7.20pm and could barely tell there was an event on. If you want to run 5km around the racecourse try York Park Run every Saturday morning, no gimmicks, well organised and FREE!! fixedfanatic
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5:59pm Tue 6 Nov 12

safetyelf says...

huntersway wrote:
The Knavesmire is a public area, free for people to move about and use. Fine if they want to organise events at the racecourse, but having security trying to move you off the knavesmire 'because you haven't paid' is not legal. If it had been free and with a charity collection, thousands of people would have come and accepted any restrictions without complaint. A group of us watched it from the far end, were moved three times without good reason after having cheered on the runners. These events must either be open to all, or restricted to the stands of the racecourse if there is a charge. The fireworks were pretty good,would have happily donated a few quid to charity for that.
This should have been a great success but it wasn't and only because of terrible organisation
If people got into areas they should not have then that was Rat Races fault, HSG 123 gives detailed guidance on the required layout for such events, the minimum safe distance at the front of the display is 50 metres and 100 metres at the back for a fallout area, such areas should be marked out and policed by stewards.
To keep people on the Bracken Road side of the Knavesmire over 200 metres was just absurd and shows lack of capability of the organisers, their speeding and aggression alone make them unsuitable to do this again.
Such a wasted opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]huntersway[/bold] wrote: The Knavesmire is a public area, free for people to move about and use. Fine if they want to organise events at the racecourse, but having security trying to move you off the knavesmire 'because you haven't paid' is not legal. If it had been free and with a charity collection, thousands of people would have come and accepted any restrictions without complaint. A group of us watched it from the far end, were moved three times without good reason after having cheered on the runners. These events must either be open to all, or restricted to the stands of the racecourse if there is a charge. The fireworks were pretty good,would have happily donated a few quid to charity for that.[/p][/quote]This should have been a great success but it wasn't and only because of terrible organisation If people got into areas they should not have then that was Rat Races fault, HSG 123 gives detailed guidance on the required layout for such events, the minimum safe distance at the front of the display is 50 metres and 100 metres at the back for a fallout area, such areas should be marked out and policed by stewards. To keep people on the Bracken Road side of the Knavesmire over 200 metres was just absurd and shows lack of capability of the organisers, their speeding and aggression alone make them unsuitable to do this again. Such a wasted opportunity. safetyelf
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6:05pm Tue 6 Nov 12

york21210 says...

So can we trust any up-to-date reporting by the press? Are we to assume its made up at thier desk, exscuse of hours delay and deadlines are rubbish as it was a shambols from the start.
As for the event utter rubbish, all there was to do was que! You paid to que and pay for a small exspensive portion of food. The fireworks looked like they had been purchased from a supermarket! 15mins max. The music was rubbish & the beer tent was a joke.
YOU sold the tickets YOU provide the facilities!
So can we trust any up-to-date reporting by the press? Are we to assume its made up at thier desk, exscuse of hours delay and deadlines are rubbish as it was a shambols from the start. As for the event utter rubbish, all there was to do was que! You paid to que and pay for a small exspensive portion of food. The fireworks looked like they had been purchased from a supermarket! 15mins max. The music was rubbish & the beer tent was a joke. YOU sold the tickets YOU provide the facilities! york21210
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6:26pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Davy Crocket says...

Waiting for a constipated dog to poop was more fun than being at this event. At least dog poo is generally well held together.
Waiting for a constipated dog to poop was more fun than being at this event. At least dog poo is generally well held together. Davy Crocket
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6:33pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Blimp says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
After reading most of the above comments it sounds like it was great! Just gutted that I missed it.
Best post of the whole page! Good one Woody.

Brilliant, love it! More please.
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: After reading most of the above comments it sounds like it was great! Just gutted that I missed it.[/p][/quote]Best post of the whole page! Good one Woody. Brilliant, love it! More please. Blimp
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6:42pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Rosie11 says...

It isn't surprising that there hasn't been a fireworks event in York for Years when peoples reaction to issues with a first time event are so disproportionate to teething problems on the night. People have every right to be upset about the timing of the fireworks but the level of vitriol displayed by the Press audience would surely cause any future organisations wishing to bring a large scale event and a significant level of investment to York's economy to think twice. The organisers have apologised to the families who left before the fireworks began and the gesture of dontating £5000 to a childrens charity shows they sorry and are serious about making amends. The event has all of the right ingredients to be spectacular... I hope the organisers do not let the backlash on here affect them in learning from this years mistakes and returning again next year. Also people seem to be judging this event on the Fireworks they didn't see,I'm sure those who did see them will agree they were spectacular, however the entry price offered much more than that.....where else could you see an eclectic mix of musicians and such a fantastic set from Reverend and the Makers for just £12?
It isn't surprising that there hasn't been a fireworks event in York for Years when peoples reaction to issues with a first time event are so disproportionate to teething problems on the night. People have every right to be upset about the timing of the fireworks but the level of vitriol displayed by the Press audience would surely cause any future organisations wishing to bring a large scale event and a significant level of investment to York's economy to think twice. The organisers have apologised to the families who left before the fireworks began and the gesture of dontating £5000 to a childrens charity shows they sorry and are serious about making amends. The event has all of the right ingredients to be spectacular... I hope the organisers do not let the backlash on here affect them in learning from this years mistakes and returning again next year. Also people seem to be judging this event on the Fireworks they didn't see,I'm sure those who did see them will agree they were spectacular, however the entry price offered much more than that.....where else could you see an eclectic mix of musicians and such a fantastic set from Reverend and the Makers for just £12? Rosie11
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6:43pm Tue 6 Nov 12

capt spaulding says...

Thank god my gout was playing up and I wasnt able to hobble along with me ticket.
First time Ive ever blessed gout.
Thank god my gout was playing up and I wasnt able to hobble along with me ticket. First time Ive ever blessed gout. capt spaulding
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6:44pm Tue 6 Nov 12

snaithrunner says...

Call that report journalism? Cutting and pasting a press release from Rat Race instead of being at the event is a disgrace. Anyone could tell from as early as 5.30pm that things were going very badly indeed. The lack of organisation was breathtaking. Don't blame copy deadlines for shodding reporting, just do your jobs properly. I am more irate about the reporting of the event than by wasting a very cold evening at it. Shame on you The Press.
Call that report journalism? Cutting and pasting a press release from Rat Race instead of being at the event is a disgrace. Anyone could tell from as early as 5.30pm that things were going very badly indeed. The lack of organisation was breathtaking. Don't blame copy deadlines for shodding reporting, just do your jobs properly. I am more irate about the reporting of the event than by wasting a very cold evening at it. Shame on you The Press. snaithrunner
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6:58pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Oaklands Resident says...

Three strikes and you are out!

Exit Cllr Crisp who was yesterday evening tweeting what a great success the Plod had been, based on personal experience

1. Last year's "grotto" fiasco,

2. The behind cloed doors deal with her Blackpool Council relative that saw York landed with the Vic Reeves embarrasment

3. The Plod event that she has been hyping up since August despite being told that that the organimasers had underestimated the problems of a night event at the Knavesmire.

She must go. Labour has better people. What about Clr Ken King. At least he retained some dignity when he was doing the job.
Three strikes and you are out! Exit Cllr Crisp who was yesterday evening tweeting what a great success the Plod had been, based on personal experience 1. Last year's "grotto" fiasco, 2. The behind cloed doors deal with her Blackpool Council relative that saw York landed with the Vic Reeves embarrasment 3. The Plod event that she has been hyping up since August despite being told that that the organimasers had underestimated the problems of a night event at the Knavesmire. She must go. Labour has better people. What about Clr Ken King. At least he retained some dignity when he was doing the job. Oaklands Resident
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7:02pm Tue 6 Nov 12

yorkborn66 says...

Rosie11 wrote:
It isn't surprising that there hasn't been a fireworks event in York for Years when peoples reaction to issues with a first time event are so disproportionate to teething problems on the night. People have every right to be upset about the timing of the fireworks but the level of vitriol displayed by the Press audience would surely cause any future organisations wishing to bring a large scale event and a significant level of investment to York's economy to think twice. The organisers have apologised to the families who left before the fireworks began and the gesture of dontating £5000 to a childrens charity shows they sorry and are serious about making amends. The event has all of the right ingredients to be spectacular... I hope the organisers do not let the backlash on here affect them in learning from this years mistakes and returning again next year. Also people seem to be judging this event on the Fireworks they didn't see,I'm sure those who did see them will agree they were spectacular, however the entry price offered much more than that.....where else could you see an eclectic mix of musicians and such a fantastic set from Reverend and the Makers for just £12?
Donating £5000.00 to charity does not cut the ice, when families with little kids came to see a firework display and probably not bothered about the bands etc.
Families are genuinely angry that they have paid lots of money, to be totally disappointed. I watched the fiasco unfold from the crematorium bridge, well at least what I could see because everyone was in total darkness.
There have been some really good organized events in the past in York. One that comes to mind was at Clifford’s Tower, run by the Council and was excellent.
Selby, yet again gave a fantastic FREE display without any problems and by all accounts a far better firework display. Spectators donated money to charity.
By the genuine comments made we can conclude it was a money grabbing fiasco.
I wonder if Selby Council could give York Council some ideas for next year ?
[quote][p][bold]Rosie11[/bold] wrote: It isn't surprising that there hasn't been a fireworks event in York for Years when peoples reaction to issues with a first time event are so disproportionate to teething problems on the night. People have every right to be upset about the timing of the fireworks but the level of vitriol displayed by the Press audience would surely cause any future organisations wishing to bring a large scale event and a significant level of investment to York's economy to think twice. The organisers have apologised to the families who left before the fireworks began and the gesture of dontating £5000 to a childrens charity shows they sorry and are serious about making amends. The event has all of the right ingredients to be spectacular... I hope the organisers do not let the backlash on here affect them in learning from this years mistakes and returning again next year. Also people seem to be judging this event on the Fireworks they didn't see,I'm sure those who did see them will agree they were spectacular, however the entry price offered much more than that.....where else could you see an eclectic mix of musicians and such a fantastic set from Reverend and the Makers for just £12?[/p][/quote]Donating £5000.00 to charity does not cut the ice, when families with little kids came to see a firework display and probably not bothered about the bands etc. Families are genuinely angry that they have paid lots of money, to be totally disappointed. I watched the fiasco unfold from the crematorium bridge, well at least what I could see because everyone was in total darkness. There have been some really good organized events in the past in York. One that comes to mind was at Clifford’s Tower, run by the Council and was excellent. Selby, yet again gave a fantastic FREE display without any problems and by all accounts a far better firework display. Spectators donated money to charity. By the genuine comments made we can conclude it was a money grabbing fiasco. I wonder if Selby Council could give York Council some ideas for next year ? yorkborn66
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7:14pm Tue 6 Nov 12

bolero says...

Presumably `the Press` will be devoting a whole special edition of its rag to the letters and comments regarding this flop of an event.
Presumably `the Press` will be devoting a whole special edition of its rag to the letters and comments regarding this flop of an event. bolero
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7:25pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Clare P says...

I was so disappointed with the event, me and my husband were looking forward to enjoying a hogroast and beer whilst watching the fireworks after a busy day at work and long walk to the knavesmire. What was the reality? A 25min wit in the hogroat queue to only move a metre so we gave up, a bar tent queue as long as the site itself and then nothing left at the bar other than beer! Being pregnant it was important that I ate and could get nothing without waiting for the whole event and missing the fireworks. When I went to look at the front many stalls only had one poor soul serving, it was a total joke!

Then we waited for the fireworks...and wiated...and waited ...and froze! When they finlayy started 50mins later than scheduled I had lost interest completely. An utter shambles of an event.

Only good thing was that the activities were included in the ticket price so my family enjoyed a go on the dodgems. Huge queues still however but they seemed to go down ok on these.

Really gutted about the whole night and really angry to have paid £20 for firework display. Bring back cliffords tower!!!!!
I was so disappointed with the event, me and my husband were looking forward to enjoying a hogroast and beer whilst watching the fireworks after a busy day at work and long walk to the knavesmire. What was the reality? A 25min wit in the hogroat queue to only move a metre so we gave up, a bar tent queue as long as the site itself and then nothing left at the bar other than beer! Being pregnant it was important that I ate and could get nothing without waiting for the whole event and missing the fireworks. When I went to look at the front many stalls only had one poor soul serving, it was a total joke! Then we waited for the fireworks...and wiated...and waited ...and froze! When they finlayy started 50mins later than scheduled I had lost interest completely. An utter shambles of an event. Only good thing was that the activities were included in the ticket price so my family enjoyed a go on the dodgems. Huge queues still however but they seemed to go down ok on these. Really gutted about the whole night and really angry to have paid £20 for firework display. Bring back cliffords tower!!!!! Clare P
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7:52pm Tue 6 Nov 12

cheryl_run says...

Rosie11 wrote:
It isn't surprising that there hasn't been a fireworks event in York for Years when peoples reaction to issues with a first time event are so disproportionate to teething problems on the night. People have every right to be upset about the timing of the fireworks but the level of vitriol displayed by the Press audience would surely cause any future organisations wishing to bring a large scale event and a significant level of investment to York's economy to think twice. The organisers have apologised to the families who left before the fireworks began and the gesture of dontating £5000 to a childrens charity shows they sorry and are serious about making amends. The event has all of the right ingredients to be spectacular... I hope the organisers do not let the backlash on here affect them in learning from this years mistakes and returning again next year. Also people seem to be judging this event on the Fireworks they didn't see,I'm sure those who did see them will agree they were spectacular, however the entry price offered much more than that.....where else could you see an eclectic mix of musicians and such a fantastic set from Reverend and the Makers for just £12?
It wasn't just the families and their wait for the fireworks, though, as you'll see from a lot of the comments.

The experience for runners was a nightmare. It wasn't just stressful and upsetting, it could have been dangerous - I'm surprised people didn't get hurt, and grateful that other runners were considerate and understanding. I'm a short and stubby woman and had to force my way through crowds to avoid getting crushed, and I'm thankful that people accepted my apologies and were polite enough to try and create paths for each other whenever there was an opportunity.

When it could all have been fixed with one email to each entrant, and when they had months to organise it and are supposedly a large event organiser, is it any wonder that people are angry and disappointed?

Do I mind about waiting for fireworks? No. Do I mind that it was cold? No - I hated it, but it's November and they're event organisers not magicians. Do I mind fighting through crowds, not knowing where I was going because nobody bothered to tell anyone? Absolutely. Do I mind waiting an hour for food, only to find it's sold out because there weren't enough catering stands to cater for people there? Yes.

I wanted to enjoy an amazing run, a fantastic firework display, good food, live music and that traditional cheerful atmosphere that I associate with Bonfire Night. Instead, I spent a third of the time fighting to avoid being crushed, a third of it enjoying the run and a third of it in a queue for food that I never got. I couldn't even stick around for the live music - we left as soon as it started because we were hungry, cold and angry.

Considering the amount we paid, and the hype for the event that made us travel for three hours to get there, I expected much better. I spoke to a lot of people yesterday night, and none were impressed.
[quote][p][bold]Rosie11[/bold] wrote: It isn't surprising that there hasn't been a fireworks event in York for Years when peoples reaction to issues with a first time event are so disproportionate to teething problems on the night. People have every right to be upset about the timing of the fireworks but the level of vitriol displayed by the Press audience would surely cause any future organisations wishing to bring a large scale event and a significant level of investment to York's economy to think twice. The organisers have apologised to the families who left before the fireworks began and the gesture of dontating £5000 to a childrens charity shows they sorry and are serious about making amends. The event has all of the right ingredients to be spectacular... I hope the organisers do not let the backlash on here affect them in learning from this years mistakes and returning again next year. Also people seem to be judging this event on the Fireworks they didn't see,I'm sure those who did see them will agree they were spectacular, however the entry price offered much more than that.....where else could you see an eclectic mix of musicians and such a fantastic set from Reverend and the Makers for just £12?[/p][/quote]It wasn't just the families and their wait for the fireworks, though, as you'll see from a lot of the comments. The experience for runners was a nightmare. It wasn't just stressful and upsetting, it could have been dangerous - I'm surprised people didn't get hurt, and grateful that other runners were considerate and understanding. I'm a short and stubby woman and had to force my way through crowds to avoid getting crushed, and I'm thankful that people accepted my apologies and were polite enough to try and create paths for each other whenever there was an opportunity. When it could all have been fixed with one email to each entrant, and when they had months to organise it and are supposedly a large event organiser, is it any wonder that people are angry and disappointed? Do I mind about waiting for fireworks? No. Do I mind that it was cold? No - I hated it, but it's November and they're event organisers not magicians. Do I mind fighting through crowds, not knowing where I was going because nobody bothered to tell anyone? Absolutely. Do I mind waiting an hour for food, only to find it's sold out because there weren't enough catering stands to cater for people there? Yes. I wanted to enjoy an amazing run, a fantastic firework display, good food, live music and that traditional cheerful atmosphere that I associate with Bonfire Night. Instead, I spent a third of the time fighting to avoid being crushed, a third of it enjoying the run and a third of it in a queue for food that I never got. I couldn't even stick around for the live music - we left as soon as it started because we were hungry, cold and angry. Considering the amount we paid, and the hype for the event that made us travel for three hours to get there, I expected much better. I spoke to a lot of people yesterday night, and none were impressed. cheryl_run
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8:09pm Tue 6 Nov 12

MouseHouse says...

Surprise surprise! Capitalists make a total mess of things. Things you need for a successful display are, a fire, fireworks, adequate stewarding and First Aid facilities. You do not need the sort of palaver that these capitalists make these things into. I did not go, it had all the hallmarks of a fiasco so wisely decided to stay at home.

Have you read the tosh from the organisers offering 50$ off entry to another running event in 2013! The utter gall these parasites have is incredible.

There are plenty of events around York to do with this sort of nonsense.

Finally, The Press 'report' was almost a word-for-word feed from the organisers written before the event, it was laughable.
Surprise surprise! Capitalists make a total mess of things. Things you need for a successful display are, a fire, fireworks, adequate stewarding and First Aid facilities. You do not need the sort of palaver that these capitalists make these things into. I did not go, it had all the hallmarks of a fiasco so wisely decided to stay at home. Have you read the tosh from the organisers offering 50$ off entry to another running event in 2013! The utter gall these parasites have is incredible. There are plenty of events around York to do with this sort of nonsense. Finally, The Press 'report' was almost a word-for-word feed from the organisers written before the event, it was laughable. MouseHouse
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8:26pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Woody G Mellor says...

Ok apart from all that it sounds great!
Ok apart from all that it sounds great! Woody G Mellor
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8:30pm Tue 6 Nov 12

wailingyorkwalls says...

"Where else could you see reverend & the makers for just £12?"

Actually at quite a few venues sponsored by a certain mobile operator.
"Where else could you see reverend & the makers for just £12?" Actually at quite a few venues sponsored by a certain mobile operator. wailingyorkwalls
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8:35pm Tue 6 Nov 12

fulfordphilosopher says...

Anyone shouting for City of York Council to organise a firework display would do well to remember or find out about the secret display they organised a few years ago.
Anyone shouting for City of York Council to organise a firework display would do well to remember or find out about the secret display they organised a few years ago. fulfordphilosopher
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8:43pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Buzz Light-year says...

If you read the article again and try really really hard it's almost like The Press were being cleverly ironic.

Yeah, ok you're right. Read it again and it's clear it was written before the event happened.

Pre-news.
Hmmm... it could catch on :)
If you read the article again and try really really hard it's almost like The Press were being cleverly ironic. Yeah, ok you're right. Read it again and it's clear it was written before the event happened. Pre-news. Hmmm... it could catch on :) Buzz Light-year
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8:47pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Happytoliveinyork says...

Just watched the 'apology' online from rat race. The reason the queues for food and drink were so massive was not because of the delays - there were HUGE queues from early on.

Also if you are wanting to serve real ale - then get a BIGGER bar!
Just watched the 'apology' online from rat race. The reason the queues for food and drink were so massive was not because of the delays - there were HUGE queues from early on. Also if you are wanting to serve real ale - then get a BIGGER bar! Happytoliveinyork
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9:23pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Minsterred says...

Actually really enjoyed doing the 5k in a different environment and thought the fireworks were ok however It should have been renamed world of queues.
Queued to register, told to get a disclaimer from a dark crowded small table, queued again, told to get a race number from a board you couldnt read, queued again to register for a third time before waiting to join a huge queue to start the race, finished race, queued for an hour for a drink, watched fireworks, couldnt face any more queues so went home hungry. Kids couldnt do anything but stand around for hours waiting for me to finish due to massive queues for any entertainment. Have I mentioned the word queue enough? Really hope I can spell it. queue queue queue!!!
Actually really enjoyed doing the 5k in a different environment and thought the fireworks were ok however It should have been renamed world of queues. Queued to register, told to get a disclaimer from a dark crowded small table, queued again, told to get a race number from a board you couldnt read, queued again to register for a third time before waiting to join a huge queue to start the race, finished race, queued for an hour for a drink, watched fireworks, couldnt face any more queues so went home hungry. Kids couldnt do anything but stand around for hours waiting for me to finish due to massive queues for any entertainment. Have I mentioned the word queue enough? Really hope I can spell it. queue queue queue!!! Minsterred
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9:27pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Minsterred says...

PS Thought the cars driving through crowds of thousands of people, small children etc with no marshalls at all really was dangerous afterwards and irresponsible by drivers and organisers, surprised nobody was hurt.
PS Thought the cars driving through crowds of thousands of people, small children etc with no marshalls at all really was dangerous afterwards and irresponsible by drivers and organisers, surprised nobody was hurt. Minsterred
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9:31pm Tue 6 Nov 12

mgmwilliams says...

Echoing many of the earlier posts, this was possibly the worst organised event I have ever been to.

If you are running a "ticket only" event, you know how many people are coming - make sure you have enough catering. It is simple. You failed. Do not advertise things that you do not produce.

Quite simply I want my money back.
Echoing many of the earlier posts, this was possibly the worst organised event I have ever been to. If you are running a "ticket only" event, you know how many people are coming - make sure you have enough catering. It is simple. You failed. Do not advertise things that you do not produce. Quite simply I want my money back. mgmwilliams
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10:33pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Mitny says...

I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.
I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History. Mitny
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10:43pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Mitny says...

PS - no - I do not work for Rat Race - they are not paying me.
I dont work for the firework organisation also.
But I do have a relation in the police force and know that they were called to the Knavesmire last night as people were in the danger zone.
Obviously Rat Race put public safety before time keeping.
ALSO - There were loads of toilets and my daughter in law commented that it was good to be able to get the kids there and not have to wait. No cars got stuck in the mud either - we parked on the roadside and my Son who came later parked on the Knavesmire and left with no trouble.
PS - no - I do not work for Rat Race - they are not paying me. I dont work for the firework organisation also. But I do have a relation in the police force and know that they were called to the Knavesmire last night as people were in the danger zone. Obviously Rat Race put public safety before time keeping. ALSO - There were loads of toilets and my daughter in law commented that it was good to be able to get the kids there and not have to wait. No cars got stuck in the mud either - we parked on the roadside and my Son who came later parked on the Knavesmire and left with no trouble. Mitny
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10:58pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Mark Brayshaw says...

Mitny wrote:
I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.
The Kaboom fireworks were scheduled for 7.30pm but because of fog they were delayed until 7.45pm.

Marcus Collins was due on stage at 8pm and was on stage at 8.10pm.

How does this constitute running an hour and a half late?

One of the bands did not appear because the singer was in hospital with an abcess on his tonsils - how inconsiderate of him to do this within 24 hours of the event.

Was our mud different to the Knavesmire mud?

The only stink would appear to be your lies.
[quote][p][bold]Mitny[/bold] wrote: I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.[/p][/quote]The Kaboom fireworks were scheduled for 7.30pm but because of fog they were delayed until 7.45pm. Marcus Collins was due on stage at 8pm and was on stage at 8.10pm. How does this constitute running an hour and a half late? One of the bands did not appear because the singer was in hospital with an abcess on his tonsils - how inconsiderate of him to do this within 24 hours of the event. Was our mud different to the Knavesmire mud? The only stink would appear to be your lies. Mark Brayshaw
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11:36pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Remus says...

Mark Brayshaw wrote:
Mitny wrote:
I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.
The Kaboom fireworks were scheduled for 7.30pm but because of fog they were delayed until 7.45pm.

Marcus Collins was due on stage at 8pm and was on stage at 8.10pm.

How does this constitute running an hour and a half late?

One of the bands did not appear because the singer was in hospital with an abcess on his tonsils - how inconsiderate of him to do this within 24 hours of the event.

Was our mud different to the Knavesmire mud?

The only stink would appear to be your lies.
Kaboom
Rawcliffe Country Park on Sunday night:

Safely and politely marshalled, plenty of choice for food and drinks (all reasonably priced), lots of rides and stalls for kids/teens/adults, live music...

And the most spectacular firework display we've ever seen (and we've seen a few) all set to James Bond theme music.

Slight delay due to the weather, but wasn't an issue.

Excellent value at £30 for family of 4. Thanks for organising - please bring it back next year!
[quote][p][bold]Mark Brayshaw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mitny[/bold] wrote: I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.[/p][/quote]The Kaboom fireworks were scheduled for 7.30pm but because of fog they were delayed until 7.45pm. Marcus Collins was due on stage at 8pm and was on stage at 8.10pm. How does this constitute running an hour and a half late? One of the bands did not appear because the singer was in hospital with an abcess on his tonsils - how inconsiderate of him to do this within 24 hours of the event. Was our mud different to the Knavesmire mud? The only stink would appear to be your lies.[/p][/quote]Kaboom Rawcliffe Country Park on Sunday night: Safely and politely marshalled, plenty of choice for food and drinks (all reasonably priced), lots of rides and stalls for kids/teens/adults, live music... And the most spectacular firework display we've ever seen (and we've seen a few) all set to James Bond theme music. Slight delay due to the weather, but wasn't an issue. Excellent value at £30 for family of 4. Thanks for organising - please bring it back next year! Remus
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11:41pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Fat Harry says...

I didn't go, so this doesn't affect me personally, but I'm disgusted by the company's offer to donate to charity.

It's a cynical and sickening attempt to make disgruntled customers feel guilty and uncomfortable about demanding refunds of the hard-earned cash they've shelled out for a very disappointing event.

The organisers should come clean and offer a refund to everyone who complains. If they're as confident and competent as they claim, they'll make
It all back at future events.
I didn't go, so this doesn't affect me personally, but I'm disgusted by the company's offer to donate to charity. It's a cynical and sickening attempt to make disgruntled customers feel guilty and uncomfortable about demanding refunds of the hard-earned cash they've shelled out for a very disappointing event. The organisers should come clean and offer a refund to everyone who complains. If they're as confident and competent as they claim, they'll make It all back at future events. Fat Harry
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11:51pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Damien C says...

Mitny wrote:
I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.
I too was at the Kaboom event, and I know which one I'll be going to next year. Yes it was muddy and cold, but there was a note on the website advising people to expect Muddy conditions. It is winter you know! Fireworks slighltly delayed (by about 15 mins, where on earth do you arrive at your 90 minute figure?) due to fog (because coloured clouds don't look as good). I don't know where you were stood, but I couldn't smell anything and didn't hear anybody else complaining of a smell. Fireworks were spectacular, and expertly choreographed to James Bond soundtrack songs. No mile long queues for refreshments. Kids enjoyed the funfair. If the gunpowerder plod was your idea of a good night Mitny, you can keep it. I'll be back at Kaboom next year. Are you sure you aren't on somebody's payroll?
[quote][p][bold]Mitny[/bold] wrote: I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.[/p][/quote]I too was at the Kaboom event, and I know which one I'll be going to next year. Yes it was muddy and cold, but there was a note on the website advising people to expect Muddy conditions. It is winter you know! Fireworks slighltly delayed (by about 15 mins, where on earth do you arrive at your 90 minute figure?) due to fog (because coloured clouds don't look as good). I don't know where you were stood, but I couldn't smell anything and didn't hear anybody else complaining of a smell. Fireworks were spectacular, and expertly choreographed to James Bond soundtrack songs. No mile long queues for refreshments. Kids enjoyed the funfair. If the gunpowerder plod was your idea of a good night Mitny, you can keep it. I'll be back at Kaboom next year. Are you sure you aren't on somebody's payroll? Damien C
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12:56am Wed 7 Nov 12

GreenshawGrinder says...

Sounds like Dick Turpin is alive and well! Anyone expecting a refund, don't hold your breath. The suspects have long since departed with their bags full of cash!
Sounds like Dick Turpin is alive and well! Anyone expecting a refund, don't hold your breath. The suspects have long since departed with their bags full of cash! GreenshawGrinder
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8:47am Wed 7 Nov 12

again says...

I bet Guy Fawkes is having a good laugh.
I bet Guy Fawkes is having a good laugh. again
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8:48am Wed 7 Nov 12

York1900 says...

Well it sounds like it was just another event held in The City of York that ran to form

Where organisers had not done a proper risk assessment of the site and a inspection of the on the day of the event to assess what measures would need to be taken as to car parking and ground conditions

Not enough security staff and other staff to cover the event on open ground to get good staff who know what they are doing and can do that sort of job is hard if you want to make a good profit

There are every few security companies who have staff that can do that sort of work as it is totally different type of work to building security or door security
Well it sounds like it was just another event held in The City of York that ran to form Where organisers had not done a proper risk assessment of the site and a inspection of the on the day of the event to assess what measures would need to be taken as to car parking and ground conditions Not enough security staff and other staff to cover the event on open ground to get good staff who know what they are doing and can do that sort of job is hard if you want to make a good profit There are every few security companies who have staff that can do that sort of work as it is totally different type of work to building security or door security York1900
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9:02am Wed 7 Nov 12

yorkborn66 says...

Mitny wrote:
I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.
Don’t apologize on my behalf, because I have nothing to apologize for.
If the Police were called because of people allegedly in the drop zone, would this job have fallen to security had it been adequate. Comments have also been made regarding this so called drop zone and the distance required. The truth of the matter is possibly lack of organisation and risk assessment, not enough security employed for the evening to make sure people does not stray into unsafe areas.
And yes I have a job, and what difference would it have made if I were unfortunate to have lost my job? Would my comments be less important and valid? Stupid comment.
I leave you to apologise to the people you may have offended.
[quote][p][bold]Mitny[/bold] wrote: I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.[/p][/quote]Don’t apologize on my behalf, because I have nothing to apologize for. If the Police were called because of people allegedly in the drop zone, would this job have fallen to security had it been adequate. Comments have also been made regarding this so called drop zone and the distance required. The truth of the matter is possibly lack of organisation and risk assessment, not enough security employed for the evening to make sure people does not stray into unsafe areas. And yes I have a job, and what difference would it have made if I were unfortunate to have lost my job? Would my comments be less important and valid? Stupid comment. I leave you to apologise to the people you may have offended. yorkborn66
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9:15am Wed 7 Nov 12

I'mALaydee says...

yorkborn66 wrote:
Rosie11 wrote:
It isn't surprising that there hasn't been a fireworks event in York for Years when peoples reaction to issues with a first time event are so disproportionate to teething problems on the night. People have every right to be upset about the timing of the fireworks but the level of vitriol displayed by the Press audience would surely cause any future organisations wishing to bring a large scale event and a significant level of investment to York's economy to think twice. The organisers have apologised to the families who left before the fireworks began and the gesture of dontating £5000 to a childrens charity shows they sorry and are serious about making amends. The event has all of the right ingredients to be spectacular... I hope the organisers do not let the backlash on here affect them in learning from this years mistakes and returning again next year. Also people seem to be judging this event on the Fireworks they didn't see,I'm sure those who did see them will agree they were spectacular, however the entry price offered much more than that.....where else could you see an eclectic mix of musicians and such a fantastic set from Reverend and the Makers for just £12?
Donating £5000.00 to charity does not cut the ice, when families with little kids came to see a firework display and probably not bothered about the bands etc.
Families are genuinely angry that they have paid lots of money, to be totally disappointed. I watched the fiasco unfold from the crematorium bridge, well at least what I could see because everyone was in total darkness.
There have been some really good organized events in the past in York. One that comes to mind was at Clifford’s Tower, run by the Council and was excellent.
Selby, yet again gave a fantastic FREE display without any problems and by all accounts a far better firework display. Spectators donated money to charity.
By the genuine comments made we can conclude it was a money grabbing fiasco.
I wonder if Selby Council could give York Council some ideas for next year ?
Rosie11, these were more than mere 'teething problems' but rather disorganisation and lack of thought on a large scale. And I don't think all these comments are 'vitriolic'..the fact that so many people have taken the time and trouble to comment, and that they're all saying the same thing, speaks volumes. Can this many people really be wrong?
[quote][p][bold]yorkborn66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rosie11[/bold] wrote: It isn't surprising that there hasn't been a fireworks event in York for Years when peoples reaction to issues with a first time event are so disproportionate to teething problems on the night. People have every right to be upset about the timing of the fireworks but the level of vitriol displayed by the Press audience would surely cause any future organisations wishing to bring a large scale event and a significant level of investment to York's economy to think twice. The organisers have apologised to the families who left before the fireworks began and the gesture of dontating £5000 to a childrens charity shows they sorry and are serious about making amends. The event has all of the right ingredients to be spectacular... I hope the organisers do not let the backlash on here affect them in learning from this years mistakes and returning again next year. Also people seem to be judging this event on the Fireworks they didn't see,I'm sure those who did see them will agree they were spectacular, however the entry price offered much more than that.....where else could you see an eclectic mix of musicians and such a fantastic set from Reverend and the Makers for just £12?[/p][/quote]Donating £5000.00 to charity does not cut the ice, when families with little kids came to see a firework display and probably not bothered about the bands etc. Families are genuinely angry that they have paid lots of money, to be totally disappointed. I watched the fiasco unfold from the crematorium bridge, well at least what I could see because everyone was in total darkness. There have been some really good organized events in the past in York. One that comes to mind was at Clifford’s Tower, run by the Council and was excellent. Selby, yet again gave a fantastic FREE display without any problems and by all accounts a far better firework display. Spectators donated money to charity. By the genuine comments made we can conclude it was a money grabbing fiasco. I wonder if Selby Council could give York Council some ideas for next year ?[/p][/quote]Rosie11, these were more than mere 'teething problems' but rather disorganisation and lack of thought on a large scale. And I don't think all these comments are 'vitriolic'..the fact that so many people have taken the time and trouble to comment, and that they're all saying the same thing, speaks volumes. Can this many people really be wrong? I'mALaydee
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9:22am Wed 7 Nov 12

Hirsty99 says...

Mitny wrote:
PS - no - I do not work for Rat Race - they are not paying me.
I dont work for the firework organisation also.
But I do have a relation in the police force and know that they were called to the Knavesmire last night as people were in the danger zone.
Obviously Rat Race put public safety before time keeping.
ALSO - There were loads of toilets and my daughter in law commented that it was good to be able to get the kids there and not have to wait. No cars got stuck in the mud either - we parked on the roadside and my Son who came later parked on the Knavesmire and left with no trouble.
Hmmm the fact the police were called surely shows the organisers complete lack of security, have you read the posts about people almost being crushed? People getting in with no tickets? I think the organisers were far from putting people's safety first, the delay was down to poor management with the race. To not have enough food stalls on a prebooked event and only 1 beer tent not excusable, although first person to mention the toilets so that could be the only good thing to come from this event???
P.s kaboom was late starting but plenty of helpful security, the fireworks were not just average but the best I have ever seen, no long queues for catering or toilets, just could do with a bonfire next year,
Also as a final note shame on you York press for this sham of a report! Although reading these posts has kept me highly entertained!
[quote][p][bold]Mitny[/bold] wrote: PS - no - I do not work for Rat Race - they are not paying me. I dont work for the firework organisation also. But I do have a relation in the police force and know that they were called to the Knavesmire last night as people were in the danger zone. Obviously Rat Race put public safety before time keeping. ALSO - There were loads of toilets and my daughter in law commented that it was good to be able to get the kids there and not have to wait. No cars got stuck in the mud either - we parked on the roadside and my Son who came later parked on the Knavesmire and left with no trouble.[/p][/quote]Hmmm the fact the police were called surely shows the organisers complete lack of security, have you read the posts about people almost being crushed? People getting in with no tickets? I think the organisers were far from putting people's safety first, the delay was down to poor management with the race. To not have enough food stalls on a prebooked event and only 1 beer tent not excusable, although first person to mention the toilets so that could be the only good thing to come from this event??? P.s kaboom was late starting but plenty of helpful security, the fireworks were not just average but the best I have ever seen, no long queues for catering or toilets, just could do with a bonfire next year, Also as a final note shame on you York press for this sham of a report! Although reading these posts has kept me highly entertained! Hirsty99
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9:24am Wed 7 Nov 12

AngryandFrustrated says...

Mitny wrote:
I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.
Minty, I apologise if I come across as being offensive in this post - you can't help being stupid I suppose.

Firstly, don't apologise on my behalf. If people are paying £12 per head for a bonfire and fireworks spectacular, that's what they expect. Not some damp unorganised potentially dangerous squib.

Secondly I work and have what some would consider to be a good job - I do not sit at home all day.

Thirdly, I would go and see the doctor if I were you - your time and spacial awareness are so bad it is alarming.

Fourthly, Rat Race themselves have apologised for the farce. they are not saying everything went well so I'm afraid your defence of the event doesn't cut any mustard whatsoever!
[quote][p][bold]Mitny[/bold] wrote: I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.[/p][/quote]Minty, I apologise if I come across as being offensive in this post - you can't help being stupid I suppose. Firstly, don't apologise on my behalf. If people are paying £12 per head for a bonfire and fireworks spectacular, that's what they expect. Not some damp unorganised potentially dangerous squib. Secondly I work and have what some would consider to be a good job - I do not sit at home all day. Thirdly, I would go and see the doctor if I were you - your time and spacial awareness are so bad it is alarming. Fourthly, Rat Race themselves have apologised for the farce. they are not saying everything went well so I'm afraid your defence of the event doesn't cut any mustard whatsoever! AngryandFrustrated
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10:43am Wed 7 Nov 12

Hoofarted says...

Oh come on! Guido Fawkes was a hero.

We shouldn't be celebrating the death of someone like this. We need another one soon.

The flop was well deserved. Surely citizens have better things to do than revel in a celebration of the murder of a hero.
Oh come on! Guido Fawkes was a hero. We shouldn't be celebrating the death of someone like this. We need another one soon. The flop was well deserved. Surely citizens have better things to do than revel in a celebration of the murder of a hero. Hoofarted
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10:47am Wed 7 Nov 12

yorkiemum says...

WayneCarr wrote:
Damien C wrote:
Mitny wrote:
I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.
I too was at the Kaboom event, and I know which one I'll be going to next year. Yes it was muddy and cold, but there was a note on the website advising people to expect Muddy conditions. It is winter you know! Fireworks slighltly delayed (by about 15 mins, where on earth do you arrive at your 90 minute figure?) due to fog (because coloured clouds don't look as good). I don't know where you were stood, but I couldn't smell anything and didn't hear anybody else complaining of a smell. Fireworks were spectacular, and expertly choreographed to James Bond soundtrack songs. No mile long queues for refreshments. Kids enjoyed the funfair. If the gunpowerder plod was your idea of a good night Mitny, you can keep it. I'll be back at Kaboom next year. Are you sure you aren't on somebody's payroll?
I really cannot believe Mitny's comment. I think they have it the wrong way around. You really should buy a new watch as the delays were far bigger than you state at the Plod and a lot less for what you are quoting for Kaboom. Maybe the stink at Kaboom was coming out of your mouth as it seems to spout a lot of c**p. Please don't apologise on my behalf to Rat Race it should be the other way around. BTW the kids 'entertainment' was not free it was included in the extortionate price of the tickets (which weren't required anyway!). If you like rude, arrogant staff and enjoy standing in queue's for an hour at a time then Rat Race is for you. Enjoy.
I too was at the Kaboom display and I echo what Wayne has said. It was fantastic the fireworks were delayed because of fog only for 15 mins or so, the mud was expected as was the cold so we wrapped up well and put our wellies on!! all this for £7.50 each.
[quote][p][bold]WayneCarr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Damien C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mitny[/bold] wrote: I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.[/p][/quote]I too was at the Kaboom event, and I know which one I'll be going to next year. Yes it was muddy and cold, but there was a note on the website advising people to expect Muddy conditions. It is winter you know! Fireworks slighltly delayed (by about 15 mins, where on earth do you arrive at your 90 minute figure?) due to fog (because coloured clouds don't look as good). I don't know where you were stood, but I couldn't smell anything and didn't hear anybody else complaining of a smell. Fireworks were spectacular, and expertly choreographed to James Bond soundtrack songs. No mile long queues for refreshments. Kids enjoyed the funfair. If the gunpowerder plod was your idea of a good night Mitny, you can keep it. I'll be back at Kaboom next year. Are you sure you aren't on somebody's payroll?[/p][/quote]I really cannot believe Mitny's comment. I think they have it the wrong way around. You really should buy a new watch as the delays were far bigger than you state at the Plod and a lot less for what you are quoting for Kaboom. Maybe the stink at Kaboom was coming out of your mouth as it seems to spout a lot of c**p. Please don't apologise on my behalf to Rat Race it should be the other way around. BTW the kids 'entertainment' was not free it was included in the extortionate price of the tickets (which weren't required anyway!). If you like rude, arrogant staff and enjoy standing in queue's for an hour at a time then Rat Race is for you. Enjoy.[/p][/quote]I too was at the Kaboom display and I echo what Wayne has said. It was fantastic the fireworks were delayed because of fog only for 15 mins or so, the mud was expected as was the cold so we wrapped up well and put our wellies on!! all this for £7.50 each. yorkiemum
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2:25pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Theapplesarecoming says...

I saw these comment and thought Fawke that
I saw these comment and thought Fawke that Theapplesarecoming
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2:25pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Theapplesarecoming says...

I saw these comments and thought Fawke that
I saw these comments and thought Fawke that Theapplesarecoming
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3:57pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Theapplesarecoming says...

Sounded like a banging firework display!
Sounded like a banging firework display! Theapplesarecoming
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4:02pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Theapplesarecoming says...

It was rubbish couldn't wait to get home and Fawke the missus
It was rubbish couldn't wait to get home and Fawke the missus Theapplesarecoming
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4:12pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Theapplesarecoming says...

Apparently a policeman arrested two kids , one for eating battery acid , the other was eating fireworks , he charged one and let the other one off
Apparently a policeman arrested two kids , one for eating battery acid , the other was eating fireworks , he charged one and let the other one off Theapplesarecoming
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4:22pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Theapplesarecoming says...

How many york civil servants does it take to set fire to Guy Fawkes?  One to strike the match and twenty two to fill in the paper work.
How many york civil servants does it take to set fire to Guy Fawkes?  One to strike the match and twenty two to fill in the paper work. Theapplesarecoming
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6:21pm Wed 7 Nov 12

melreed1990 says...

Was this reporter actually at this event? cause this is seriously made up! I was very disappointed with the organisation on this event, any place that put on a fireworks display know that there will always be people jumping the fence to get a good ''free'' view of the fireworks and why there wasn't a security team there from the word go to prevent people from getting to close in the first place I really don't know, And knowing how many people that were expected to come with ticket sales the management could have easily worked out that 7 food stalls and one bar was not near enough! as for the tent that would have allowed people to sit and eat was full of about 30 tables and about 10 fold up chairs, if your going to make us all wait nearly an hour to watch fireworks that to be honest I have seen better for FREE at my local club, least give people seats!!

And as for the food standing in line for over 40 minutes to receive a half frozen bun and a cold ''pre cooked'' burger with a block of cheese slapped in the middle was very disappointing i would usually take it back and demand a refund but didn't want to spend another 40 mins in a que!!

We didn't even bother waiting in line for a drink (hot or cold) and by this time we was tired and fed up. I wouldn't have waited another almost hour to watch the display if i knew it was not going to be worth it.

Also not having access to a printer cause us a big fiasco before we even arrived as we where told on the site and by a lady i previously emailed about not having a printed and she said i must have it printed as it needed scanning but when we arrived the your girl barely even looked at the ticket as waved us in... If i knew we wouldn't have needed them scanned I wouldn't have bothered trapecing over York to get it printed out - also think of all the paper wasted on the environment!!- And finally after purchasing tickets online for My daughter my partner and myself only to find out that under 3's go free (this was stated on another part of the website) so with no refunds available i had just thrown £8 down the plug... Lucky I was able to sell the ticked for half the price to a couple that where desperate for one for their nephew.

Will not bother next year or when ever they decide to do another ill just stick to my local and there displays
Was this reporter actually at this event? cause this is seriously made up! I was very disappointed with the organisation on this event, any place that put on a fireworks display know that there will always be people jumping the fence to get a good ''free'' view of the fireworks and why there wasn't a security team there from the word go to prevent people from getting to close in the first place I really don't know, And knowing how many people that were expected to come with ticket sales the management could have easily worked out that 7 food stalls and one bar was not near enough! as for the tent that would have allowed people to sit and eat was full of about 30 tables and about 10 fold up chairs, if your going to make us all wait nearly an hour to watch fireworks that to be honest I have seen better for FREE at my local club, least give people seats!! And as for the food standing in line for over 40 minutes to receive a half frozen bun and a cold ''pre cooked'' burger with a block of cheese slapped in the middle was very disappointing i would usually take it back and demand a refund but didn't want to spend another 40 mins in a que!! We didn't even bother waiting in line for a drink (hot or cold) and by this time we was tired and fed up. I wouldn't have waited another almost hour to watch the display if i knew it was not going to be worth it. Also not having access to a printer cause us a big fiasco before we even arrived as we where told on the site and by a lady i previously emailed about not having a printed and she said i must have it printed as it needed scanning but when we arrived the your girl barely even looked at the ticket as waved us in... If i knew we wouldn't have needed them scanned I wouldn't have bothered trapecing over York to get it printed out - also think of all the paper wasted on the environment!!- And finally after purchasing tickets online for My daughter my partner and myself only to find out that under 3's go free (this was stated on another part of the website) so with no refunds available i had just thrown £8 down the plug... Lucky I was able to sell the ticked for half the price to a couple that where desperate for one for their nephew. Will not bother next year or when ever they decide to do another ill just stick to my local and there displays melreed1990
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7:37pm Wed 7 Nov 12

courier46 says...

Mitny wrote:
PS - no - I do not work for Rat Race - they are not paying me.
I dont work for the firework organisation also.
But I do have a relation in the police force and know that they were called to the Knavesmire last night as people were in the danger zone.
Obviously Rat Race put public safety before time keeping.
ALSO - There were loads of toilets and my daughter in law commented that it was good to be able to get the kids there and not have to wait. No cars got stuck in the mud either - we parked on the roadside and my Son who came later parked on the Knavesmire and left with no trouble.
Bet you think the conservatives are doing a good job as well.What planet do you live on?
[quote][p][bold]Mitny[/bold] wrote: PS - no - I do not work for Rat Race - they are not paying me. I dont work for the firework organisation also. But I do have a relation in the police force and know that they were called to the Knavesmire last night as people were in the danger zone. Obviously Rat Race put public safety before time keeping. ALSO - There were loads of toilets and my daughter in law commented that it was good to be able to get the kids there and not have to wait. No cars got stuck in the mud either - we parked on the roadside and my Son who came later parked on the Knavesmire and left with no trouble.[/p][/quote]Bet you think the conservatives are doing a good job as well.What planet do you live on? courier46
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8:54pm Wed 7 Nov 12

mandy j says...

yorkiemum wrote:
WayneCarr wrote:
Damien C wrote:
Mitny wrote: I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.
I too was at the Kaboom event, and I know which one I'll be going to next year. Yes it was muddy and cold, but there was a note on the website advising people to expect Muddy conditions. It is winter you know! Fireworks slighltly delayed (by about 15 mins, where on earth do you arrive at your 90 minute figure?) due to fog (because coloured clouds don't look as good). I don't know where you were stood, but I couldn't smell anything and didn't hear anybody else complaining of a smell. Fireworks were spectacular, and expertly choreographed to James Bond soundtrack songs. No mile long queues for refreshments. Kids enjoyed the funfair. If the gunpowerder plod was your idea of a good night Mitny, you can keep it. I'll be back at Kaboom next year. Are you sure you aren't on somebody's payroll?
I really cannot believe Mitny's comment. I think they have it the wrong way around. You really should buy a new watch as the delays were far bigger than you state at the Plod and a lot less for what you are quoting for Kaboom. Maybe the stink at Kaboom was coming out of your mouth as it seems to spout a lot of c**p. Please don't apologise on my behalf to Rat Race it should be the other way around. BTW the kids 'entertainment' was not free it was included in the extortionate price of the tickets (which weren't required anyway!). If you like rude, arrogant staff and enjoy standing in queue's for an hour at a time then Rat Race is for you. Enjoy.
I too was at the Kaboom display and I echo what Wayne has said. It was fantastic the fireworks were delayed because of fog only for 15 mins or so, the mud was expected as was the cold so we wrapped up well and put our wellies on!! all this for £7.50 each.
My family and i went to kaboom on sunday night and we had a brilliant night, we had no complaints. I am so glad we went to that one now i have seen the comments about the knavesmire.
[quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WayneCarr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Damien C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mitny[/bold] wrote: I really can not believe what I have read in many of the comments above. I attended last night - and attended the Kaboom event on Sunday. Kaboom ran over one and a half hours late, some of the bands did not appear, the music was too loud for comfort and the fairground was a rip off. Yes, they may have had fewer people waiting for food - but there were a lot less there. It was muddy, damp, cold and the area stank. Last night we went to the Knavesmire and really enjoyed our evening. The bonfire was lit at the time advertised - the race was slightly delayed and the fireworks were delayed by about half an hour. There was loads for the kids to do - ALL FREE - the storytelling tent etc was great, as was the treasurehunt. There were six adults and five children in our party and we had a really good night. Yes, there was mud - but where in York isn't there at the present time. For us Rat Race did a fantastic job and I am sure have learnt lessons for what I hope will be a next time. As for our Sunday Night experience - no thank you - never again. Rat Race may I apologise for certain people in the City of York who just like to sit at home making catty comments all day on their computers - they would possibly be better off getting employment to keep them occupied. At least Rat Race did something in the City on 5th November an extremely important date in York's History.[/p][/quote]I too was at the Kaboom event, and I know which one I'll be going to next year. Yes it was muddy and cold, but there was a note on the website advising people to expect Muddy conditions. It is winter you know! Fireworks slighltly delayed (by about 15 mins, where on earth do you arrive at your 90 minute figure?) due to fog (because coloured clouds don't look as good). I don't know where you were stood, but I couldn't smell anything and didn't hear anybody else complaining of a smell. Fireworks were spectacular, and expertly choreographed to James Bond soundtrack songs. No mile long queues for refreshments. Kids enjoyed the funfair. If the gunpowerder plod was your idea of a good night Mitny, you can keep it. I'll be back at Kaboom next year. Are you sure you aren't on somebody's payroll?[/p][/quote]I really cannot believe Mitny's comment. I think they have it the wrong way around. You really should buy a new watch as the delays were far bigger than you state at the Plod and a lot less for what you are quoting for Kaboom. Maybe the stink at Kaboom was coming out of your mouth as it seems to spout a lot of c**p. Please don't apologise on my behalf to Rat Race it should be the other way around. BTW the kids 'entertainment' was not free it was included in the extortionate price of the tickets (which weren't required anyway!). If you like rude, arrogant staff and enjoy standing in queue's for an hour at a time then Rat Race is for you. Enjoy.[/p][/quote]I too was at the Kaboom display and I echo what Wayne has said. It was fantastic the fireworks were delayed because of fog only for 15 mins or so, the mud was expected as was the cold so we wrapped up well and put our wellies on!! all this for £7.50 each.[/p][/quote]My family and i went to kaboom on sunday night and we had a brilliant night, we had no complaints. I am so glad we went to that one now i have seen the comments about the knavesmire. mandy j
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11:11am Thu 8 Nov 12

elieluu says...

It is clear that those that had a good time had kid's and did not stand around for an hour in gym kit - or perhaps they were the poor souls that met with inadequate staffing and information at registration!

£80 was too much for a family of three, the event was seriously miss advertised and what we got was very disappointing. Pyrotechnics and animations were the order of the day for the 5K what we got were candles! As far as the Fire Works go I have had better in my garden! I certainly want a refund and I will make sure I get one.

I have logged a complaint with the ASA and I am quiet tempted to bring it to the attention of Look North. I will also be speaking with Trading Standards at the weekend. - When I'm not working! I would urge every one to do the same power in numbers an that .
It is clear that those that had a good time had kid's and did not stand around for an hour in gym kit - or perhaps they were the poor souls that met with inadequate staffing and information at registration! £80 was too much for a family of three, the event was seriously miss advertised and what we got was very disappointing. Pyrotechnics and animations were the order of the day for the 5K what we got were candles! As far as the Fire Works go I have had better in my garden! I certainly want a refund and I will make sure I get one. I have logged a complaint with the ASA and I am quiet tempted to bring it to the attention of Look North. I will also be speaking with Trading Standards at the weekend. - When I'm not working! I would urge every one to do the same power in numbers an that . elieluu
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11:18am Thu 8 Nov 12

Hoofarted says...

Flocking like lemmings to celebrate the brutal murder of someone is bad karma.

Looks like Karma got you back.

Get over it and do something more positive and less lemming like in future.
Flocking like lemmings to celebrate the brutal murder of someone is bad karma. Looks like Karma got you back. Get over it and do something more positive and less lemming like in future. Hoofarted
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