Police complaints figures success (From York Press)

Steve Read, director of professional standards at North Yorkshire Police, said he was pleased that the rate of appeals against the force was significantly below the national average.

He said: “At 69 per cent, and for the seventh consecutive year, North Yorkshire Police has achieved the highest rate of local resolutions of any police force in the country by some margin.”

It's good news that complaints are coming down, what Mr Read fails to mention is the main reason for this is that a high number of them in the past were for officers turning up too late or not at all, a percentage of those complaints have been reduced because of the recent enforced changes to police shift patterns brought in by the Home Secretary.

The main reasons for the almost 70% local resolution of complaints is the practical nature of the population of our rural county, in that we are able to take on board very easily the levels the Police Federation and officers will go to to protect useless colleagues who have made very basic mistakes in the positions of great power they hold.

"Dont forget about the scum that they have to deal with who complain about nothing".

CHISSY1 wrote:
"Dont forget about the scum that they have to deal with who complain about nothing".

And you know because...?

This is another case of fiddling the figures. They are classifying many complaints against the police as complaints regarding "direction and control", which are NOT recorded as complaints against the police and dealt with as such.

See http://www.northyork
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I must be the scum they deal with because i have had at least 4 occasions that i should have put in complaints but knowing that a vexed copper can be a bit vindictive i abstained.

R'Marcus wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:
"Dont forget about the scum that they have to deal with who complain about nothing".

And you know because...?

"There are plenty of documentary's about the work of the Police,educate yourself and watch them.
And capt,you must be one of the scum coming out with a comment like that."

Let's face it, on the whole the Police do an excellent job. There's always a renegade minority.
I'm more concerned about these new PCC's who will seem to have authority over the Police.
I was under the impression these new jobs were to be held by independent people but reading about the candidates, it appears that job will be political as the named candidates also have the political party next to their names.
That being the case, we, in our household, will not be prepared to put ourselves out by going to vote.
Apart from which, we have no idea who these candidates are so how can we vote for the unknown?
So far as the Police are concerned, on the odd occasions we have needed to deal with them, we have had absolutely no complaints about anything. Would not like their job at all.

jayeskaycee wrote:
Let's face it, on the whole the Police do an excellent job. There's always a renegade minority.
I'm more concerned about these new PCC's who will seem to have authority over the Police.
I was under the impression these new jobs were to be held by independent people but reading about the candidates, it appears that job will be political as the named candidates also have the political party next to their names.
That being the case, we, in our household, will not be prepared to put ourselves out by going to vote.
Apart from which, we have no idea who these candidates are so how can we vote for the unknown?
So far as the Police are concerned, on the odd occasions we have needed to deal with them, we have had absolutely no complaints about anything. Would not like their job at all.

"Thank you jayeskaycee that sums it all up,an intelligent and well put comment".

CHISSY1 wrote:

R'Marcus wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:
"Dont forget about the scum that they have to deal with who complain about nothing".

And you know because...?

"There are plenty of documentary's about the work of the Police,educate yourself and watch them.
And capt,you must be one of the scum coming out with a comment like that."

I would be offended if the comment had not come from someone who has an opinion about everything, but in the battle of wits of constructive debate appears to be only half prepared.

CHISSY1 wrote:

jayeskaycee wrote:
Let's face it, on the whole the Police do an excellent job. There's always a renegade minority.
I'm more concerned about these new PCC's who will seem to have authority over the Police.
I was under the impression these new jobs were to be held by independent people but reading about the candidates, it appears that job will be political as the named candidates also have the political party next to their names.
That being the case, we, in our household, will not be prepared to put ourselves out by going to vote.
Apart from which, we have no idea who these candidates are so how can we vote for the unknown?
So far as the Police are concerned, on the odd occasions we have needed to deal with them, we have had absolutely no complaints about anything. Would not like their job at all.

"Thank you jayeskaycee that sums it all up,an intelligent and well put comment".

Yes, if you thought for a few moments before posting I'm sure you could come up with something equally well put for a change CHISSY1.

capt spaulding wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:

R'Marcus wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:
"Dont forget about the scum that they have to deal with who complain about nothing".

And you know because...?

"There are plenty of documentary's about the work of the Police,educate yourself and watch them.
And capt,you must be one of the scum coming out with a comment like that."

I would be offended if the comment had not come from someone who has an opinion about everything, but in the battle of wits of constructive debate appears to be only half prepared.

Quite, I often think of him as someone who brings a knife to a gunfight in that department.

Pete the Brickie wrote:

capt spaulding wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:

R'Marcus wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:
"Dont forget about the scum that they have to deal with who complain about nothing".

And you know because...?

"There are plenty of documentary's about the work of the Police,educate yourself and watch them.
And capt,you must be one of the scum coming out with a comment like that."

I would be offended if the comment had not come from someone who has an opinion about everything, but in the battle of wits of constructive debate appears to be only half prepared.

Quite, I often think of him as someone who brings a knife to a gunfight in that department.

"Pete,instead of attempting to be someone who is an expert on every thing, especially the police and your poor opinion of them,why don't you let this site know what your problem is with them."

capt spaulding wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:

R'Marcus wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:
"Dont forget about the scum that they have to deal with who complain about nothing".

And you know because...?

"There are plenty of documentary's about the work of the Police,educate yourself and watch them.
And capt,you must be one of the scum coming out with a comment like that."

I would be offended if the comment had not come from someone who has an opinion about everything, but in the battle of wits of constructive debate appears to be only half prepared.

"Just in case you had not realized,nearly everyone's posting is a personal opinion.
The difference between me and some other posters is i am not influenced or brainwashed,they are my opinions".

What would be interesting Pete. How many of the 500 complaints are from yourself. One statistic I would like to see, how many complaints you have made in total, and what percentage of them were substantiated.
So the home secretary changed North Yorkshire Polices shift Patterns. Are you for real?. They will of changed their shift patterns due to many reasons but not because the home secretary intervened. You make things up to add weight to your hatred of the boys n girls in blue.
Knives and gunfights! Practice what you preach....

ExPatBob says...
10:23am Thu 25 Oct 12

What would be interesting Pete. How many of the 500 complaints are from yourself

They will of changed their shift patterns due to many reasons but not because the home secretary intervened

Knives and gunfights! Practice what you preach

One nearly three years ago.

The Government implemented the shift changes.

Luckily for me the only people carrying weapons were the police, looking at the situation where one of them mistook a white stick carried by a 60 year old blind man who'd suffered a stroke, for a sword carried by a Jananeze warrior recently and tazered him from behind, I thank god I wasn't carrying any form of implement required for construction that day as my yellow level or tape measure could quite easily have been taken for a light sabre.

You definitely are comedy value

When a police officer asks you to consider, not taking the 2 miscreants who were caught trashing my property at 3 in the morning, "into the justice system" ie, not lock the scroats up. Then you know the system and the officers who implement it are not fit for purpose.
Consider complaining ? Whats the point.
Best just to keep the baseball bat handy.
That what you do Chissy ?

capt spaulding wrote:
When a police officer asks you to consider, not taking the 2 miscreants who were caught trashing my property at 3 in the morning, "into the justice system" ie, not lock the scroats up. Then you know the system and the officers who implement it are not fit for purpose.
Consider complaining ? Whats the point.
Best just to keep the baseball bat handy.
That what you do Chissy ?

"The police are told what they can and cant do by spineless useless MPs.We do not need baseball bats where i live."

CHISSY1 says...
1:08pm Thu 25 Oct 12

We do not need baseball bats where i live."”

Yet you claim to live in Selby?

Just in case you're confused a baseball bat is a wooden or aluminium implement used to strike a ball or burglar and not a type of endangered small flying nocturnal mammal which I'd agree we have very little use for in Selby.

Pete the Brickie wrote:

CHISSY1 says...
1:08pm Thu 25 Oct 12

We do not need baseball bats where i live."”

Yet you claim to live in Selby?

Just in case you're confused a baseball bat is a wooden or aluminium implement used to strike a ball or burglar and not a type of endangered small flying nocturnal mammal which I'd agree we have very little use for in Selby.

"I do not live in Selby.You did not respond to my earlier post,got something to hide?."

CHISSY1 wrote:

capt spaulding wrote:
When a police officer asks you to consider, not taking the 2 miscreants who were caught trashing my property at 3 in the morning, "into the justice system" ie, not lock the scroats up. Then you know the system and the officers who implement it are not fit for purpose.
Consider complaining ? Whats the point.
Best just to keep the baseball bat handy.
That what you do Chissy ?

"The police are told what they can and cant do by spineless useless MPs.We do not need baseball bats where i live."

Did Matron confiscate it.

CHISSY1 says...
10:13am Thu 25 Oct 12

Pete,instead of attempting to be someone who is an expert on every thing, especially the police and your poor opinion of them,why don't you let this site know what your problem is with them."”

I wasn't aware you needed to be an expert on any public sevice to have an opinion on their performance.

Judging on my one serious encounter with the police my opinion of them is that certain elements whithin our force act without making checks, fail to communicate adequately with one another, fail to complete tasks that they incorrectly risk assesed and over resourced, put a persons health safety, wellbeing and reputation at risk then fail to rectify the situation, defend that person from a danger they have created and fail to appogise or admit to any wrongdoing.

Just my opinion though, others may be fortunate enough to differ.

I dont differ.

Pete the Brickie wrote:

CHISSY1 says...
10:13am Thu 25 Oct 12

Pete,instead of attempting to be someone who is an expert on every thing, especially the police and your poor opinion of them,why don't you let this site know what your problem is with them."”

I wasn't aware you needed to be an expert on any public sevice to have an opinion on their performance.

Judging on my one serious encounter with the police my opinion of them is that certain elements whithin our force act without making checks, fail to communicate adequately with one another, fail to complete tasks that they incorrectly risk assesed and over resourced, put a persons health safety, wellbeing and reputation at risk then fail to rectify the situation, defend that person from a danger they have created and fail to appogise or admit to any wrongdoing.

Just my opinion though, others may be fortunate enough to differ.

"And that is your side of the story,wonder how many people know the true story?."

CHISSY1 wrote:

capt spaulding wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:

R'Marcus wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote: "Dont forget about the scum that they have to deal with who complain about nothing".

And you know because...?

"There are plenty of documentary's about the work of the Police,educate yourself and watch them. And capt,you must be one of the scum coming out with a comment like that."

I would be offended if the comment had not come from someone who has an opinion about everything, but in the battle of wits of constructive debate appears to be only half prepared.

"Just in case you had not realized,nearly everyone's posting is a personal opinion. The difference between me and some other posters is i am not influenced or brainwashed,they are my opinions".

Hee-larious!

Not influenced or brainwashed but recommends people "watch documentaries" to help them form opinions.

These posters are talking about first hand experience and you'd prefer them to watch TV?

I've seen The Bill, The Sweeney and The Thin Blue Line. I'm a police expert.

Ho ho ho!

Buzz Light-year wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:

capt spaulding wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:

R'Marcus wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote: "Dont forget about the scum that they have to deal with who complain about nothing".

And you know because...?

"There are plenty of documentary's about the work of the Police,educate yourself and watch them. And capt,you must be one of the scum coming out with a comment like that."

I would be offended if the comment had not come from someone who has an opinion about everything, but in the battle of wits of constructive debate appears to be only half prepared.

"Just in case you had not realized,nearly everyone's posting is a personal opinion. The difference between me and some other posters is i am not influenced or brainwashed,they are my opinions".

Hee-larious!

Not influenced or brainwashed but recommends people "watch documentaries" to help them form opinions.

These posters are talking about first hand experience and you'd prefer them to watch TV?

I've seen The Bill, The Sweeney and The Thin Blue Line. I'm a police expert.

Ho ho ho!

"Traffic Cops,Motorway Cops ,Road Wars etc,real front line policing.And my son in law is a Traffic Cop.Some of the posters on this site have had "first hand experience" as you put it,but they will not say what the experience was,wonder why."

CHISSY1 says...
8:45pm Thu 25 Oct 12

And that is your side of the story,wonder how many people know the true story?

About 200 friends, family and work colleagues are all aware of the incident and its effects, I recieved the full support of all of them in restoring my good name.

A good or for you simple illustration of my guilt of any offence what so ever despite a huge "pre-planned" police operation costing several thousand pounds which failed in a very simple objective would be.

Between five and seven police officers in three vehicles who had been stationed there for seven hours to the complete and utter bewilderment of an entire village left my address less than five minutes after I arrived home from work after what amounted to an incorrect summary of their presence and offering me a cup of tea.

I wasn't cautioned.

I wasn't interviewed.

I wasn't charged.

I wasn't arrested.

I did not require the sevices of any kind of legal professional.

Maybe Pete.. One amongst your 200 friends, family and work colleagues told the coppers something about you... True or not... Who knows. Only you! But the coppers don't go through the phone book and just pick a name and say, lets go for him today. So you've moaned for ages about. Not been arrested, charged, interviewed or cautioned.

ExPatBob wrote:
Maybe Pete.. One amongst your 200 friends, family and work colleagues told the coppers something about you... True or not... Who knows. Only you! But the coppers don't go through the phone book and just pick a name and say, lets go for him today. So you've moaned for ages about. Not been arrested, charged, interviewed or cautioned.

"Just a sad bitter moaner,what is he after,compensation,"

ExPatBob wrote:
Maybe Pete.. One amongst your 200 friends, family and work colleagues told the coppers something about you... True or not... Who knows. Only you! But the coppers don't go through the phone book and just pick a name and say, lets go for him today. So you've moaned for ages about. Not been arrested, charged, interviewed or cautioned.

I know who it was Bob and I know exactly how it came about, the fact was the police failed to make some very, very simple checks before acting.

Their actions were beyond parody, I "complain" about the effect those actions had on my wife, my children and myself. I "complain" the huge over-staffing of those actions forced me and my family to move house due to ill informed rumours, I believe to have been started by a police officer showing off on the day and threats against me resulting from those rumours.

I "complain" that no action what so ever was taken by the police to protect us from those threats.

I "complain" that I never received a single word of apology from the police despite the other agency involved doing so in writing, I therefore will continue to lampoon and inconvenience the entire force to the best of my ability until such time as one of them does so and believe me I'm doing quite well.

CHISSY1 wrote:

ExPatBob wrote:
Maybe Pete.. One amongst your 200 friends, family and work colleagues told the coppers something about you... True or not... Who knows. Only you! But the coppers don't go through the phone book and just pick a name and say, lets go for him today. So you've moaned for ages about. Not been arrested, charged, interviewed or cautioned.

"Just a sad bitter moaner,what is he after,compensation,"

No a written apology would have surficed. Do you have any other interests?

Pete the Brickie wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:

ExPatBob wrote:
Maybe Pete.. One amongst your 200 friends, family and work colleagues told the coppers something about you... True or not... Who knows. Only you! But the coppers don't go through the phone book and just pick a name and say, lets go for him today. So you've moaned for ages about. Not been arrested, charged, interviewed or cautioned.

"Just a sad bitter moaner,what is he after,compensation,"

No a written apology would have surficed. Do you have any other interests?

Sorry to interrupt but I assume someone said you had drugs and it wasn't true am I correct?

Leading to you having to move away due to the rumours?

Don't have to answer that but if true that is disgraceful