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York residents angry over yellow line proposals
1:02pm Wednesday 7th May 2008
COUNCIL bosses have come under attack from York residents amid proposals to paint their streets with double yellow lines.
Dozens of residents living in Acomb will be prevented from parking outside their homes if the plans go ahead.
City of York Council said the 24-hour waiting restrictions were necessary because parked vehicles were obstructing local buses. The streets affected are Kingsway West, Ascot Way and Windsor Garth.
But Brian Bevan, of Windsor Garth, said the double yellow lines would cause serious problems for residents.
He said: "We won't be able to park ourselves and we won't be able to have visitors. It's going to cause absolute chaos for the people who live here.
"I'm a taxi driver and if I'm not able to park my minibus outside my home then I don't know what I'm going to do.
"There's nowhere in the nearby area where I can park it, and I don't want to leave it in another residential street because that will annoy the residents living there.
"I wouldn't want to either, because it needs to be outside my house for security reasons."
The 61-year-old said his only option would be to take early retirement.
He said: "Financially, that would be absolutely dire for me, but I wouldn't have a choice. If I can't park my minibus, then what can I do?"
City of York councillor Andrew Waller, who represents the Westfield ward, said the situation was extremely difficult.
He said: "These are only proposals at this stage and the opportunity is there for residents to give their views.
"There is a history in the area because the roads were not built with the level of car ownership that now exists.
"We are having difficulty with the bus route and over the last 14 years we have been working to increase the amount of off-street parking in the area."
A City of York Council spokeswoman said they would be taking into account the objections of residents when the final decision was made.
She said: "The proposal follows continuing problems with buses struggling to get down the streets due to vehicles parked on both sides of the road."
Objections to the council must be made in writing by May 15.
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Tutts, York says...
3:59pm Thu 8 May 08
Gardener, NZ says...
10:42pm Wed 7 May 08
Bob Reid wrote:... York has traffic wardens, so where do they lurk as delivery lorries parked on Ouse Bridge on double yellows every morning, cars and vans ignored the restrictions on Coney Street and so on.. so are you sure this isn't a scare tactic by the council?
Surprised the Council want to increase the number of double yellows - surely this will impact on their lucrative Respark business? Or maybe they hope to make more money from parking fines than the fine, sorry fee, they charge for Respark. Always intrigued me as to how the wardens would turn up at 6am on a Saturday morning (such a favoured parking time for commuters) but never mid morning on a weekday.
viper, says...
10:41pm Wed 7 May 08
Peter wrote:electric cars - low CO2? Just where do you think the electricity comes from? Yes in the main Gas and Coal fired power stations.
Chumpy69 wrote:If pedal cyclists were taxed as cars the fee would be ZERO as would any car with such low co2 emissions eg electic cars, all it would is cost the tax payer packet to administer.
if they taxed pedal cycles, mr hepworth would soon change his blinkerd opinion.
Do you still want to 'tax' bikes ?
Electric vehicles are grossly inefficient due to losing so much energy in charging the batteries and then so much lost again in actually using them, not to mention the polluting chemicals that make up the batteries.
Electric cars are NOT efficient.
Gardener, NZ says...
10:40pm Wed 7 May 08
Paul Hepworth wrote:... pity cyclists don't pay road tax to ride on pavements, through red lights and without lights in the dark as well burt he'll have an answer to that. Hypocritical really as he was working on the tour buses which don't give cyclists a chance and cause more pollution, but hey no one's perfect.
Guy Fawkes wrote:Paying Road Tax does not entitle anyone to do anything. The revenue goes to the Exchequer who spend it on 3rd world aid, nuclear missiles etc. A small amount indirectly reaches the Highways Agency budget. That is spent on M-ways and Trunk Roads. Local roads in York are funded by CoYC substantially via Council Tax to which most of us contribute. But even that does not entitle car owners to park on the road. Whether outside their own homes or anywhere else.Why do people think they have a right to store their belongings in the street?Because they buy an annual licence (the road tax disc) which entitles them to drive and park the vehicle to which it applies on the public highway.
Bob Reid, York says...
10:07pm Wed 7 May 08
Or maybe they hope to make more money from parking fines than the fine, sorry fee, they charge for Respark.
Always intrigued me as to how the wardens would turn up at 6am on a Saturday morning (such a favoured parking time for commuters) but never mid morning on a weekday.
Stevie in Selby, Selby says...
9:54pm Wed 7 May 08
JS wrote:Not true - the council have recently installed laybys on Melrosegate, on the number 6 route.
cynical wrote:I'm sorry cynical... but YES, the council do only pay for drives and laybys on FTR routes.
So why dont the council pay for drives / laybys etc to be built, they have a history of providing parking facilities (or is it only on the FTR routes).
TooRad, york says...
8:31pm Wed 7 May 08
Peter, york says...
6:09pm Wed 7 May 08
Chumpy69 wrote:If pedal cyclists were taxed as cars the fee would be ZERO as would any car with such low co2 emissions eg electic cars, all it would is cost the tax payer packet to administer.
if they taxed pedal cycles, mr hepworth would soon change his blinkerd opinion.
Do you still want to 'tax' bikes ?
Bemused, York says...
5:56pm Wed 7 May 08
Just a little confused though m8, what has any of it got to do with residents parking.?
Naff all, but a smart@rse got it wrong.
franky, york says...
5:21pm Wed 7 May 08
what a pleasant picture of this city the local paper paints!
Chumpy69, York says...
5:09pm Wed 7 May 08
Guy Fawkes, Bootham says...
4:48pm Wed 7 May 08
Paying Road Tax does not entitle anyone to do anything.
If that is the case, why does anybody pay it?
paul, york says...
4:43pm Wed 7 May 08
but if you have the guts to meet me ill let you try to make me do the comments you suggest but i can assure you that i will not be intimidated by your threats.
if you have the pride to stand by your childish comments im sure the press would welcome giving you the oppertunity to meet me face to face.
lets see if your all talk JS
JS, York says...
4:41pm Wed 7 May 08
Just a little confused though m8, what has any of it got to do with residents parking.?
Keep up the good fight, look forward to reading more of your comments.. A+.!
Keith, York says...
4:40pm Wed 7 May 08
Bemused wrote:Geek!
The legal definition of a private hire driver is a private taxi driver maybe you should look this upIt is not. In fact, 'taxi' not a word which has a legal definition in the UK, but is understood to mean hackney carriage.Private Hire Vehicle: A Legal Definition "A private hire vehicle is a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat fewer than nine passengers, other than a hackney carriage, public service vehicle or a London cab, which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers." (Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976) Hackney Carriage (also called taxis): A Legal Definition "Every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing or plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon any street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this or the special Act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage,etc., etc" (Section 38 Town Police Clauses Act 1847.) And from the City of York Private Hire Vehicle licence conditions - "..A sign on the rear passenger doors including the name and telephone number of the firm and the words "PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLE - PRE BOOKED ONLY" in suitable lettering 50mm high. The approval of the Council should be sought before the display of the sign. The sign must not include the words "FOR HIRE", "TAXI", or "HACKNEY CARRIAGE".
tonesview, york says...
4:37pm Wed 7 May 08
LibDem, York says...
4:31pm Wed 7 May 08
Those that don't were offered a free dropped kerb paid for by the local ward committee. The offer was made last October and work at the 8 addresses that responded positively is underway.
Mr Bevan runs a large mini bus which causes access problems for more than just the scheduled bus services.
His neighbour is a disabled war pensioner who has complained on several occasions about his driveway being blocked. It is he, and other neighbours, who are pressing for these restrictions to be introduced.
chris2705, york says...
4:22pm Wed 7 May 08
Bemused wrote:why go into all this, just ask any person who they are they will tell you "taxi drivers" when they call the firm they say can i order a taxi. Does not matter what anyone says private hire licences and hackney licences cost the same the only difference is that with private hire it has to be pre booked and the fact that private hire provides a better service as well
The legal definition of a private hire driver is a private taxi driver maybe you should look this upIt is not. In fact, 'taxi' not a word which has a legal definition in the UK, but is understood to mean hackney carriage.Private Hire Vehicle: A Legal Definition "A private hire vehicle is a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat fewer than nine passengers, other than a hackney carriage, public service vehicle or a London cab, which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers." (Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976) Hackney Carriage (also called taxis): A Legal Definition "Every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing or plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon any street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this or the special Act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage,etc., etc" (Section 38 Town Police Clauses Act 1847.) And from the City of York Private Hire Vehicle licence conditions - "..A sign on the rear passenger doors including the name and telephone number of the firm and the words "PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLE - PRE BOOKED ONLY" in suitable lettering 50mm high. The approval of the Council should be sought before the display of the sign. The sign must not include the words "FOR HIRE", "TAXI", or "HACKNEY CARRIAGE".
andydag, York says...
4:15pm Wed 7 May 08
Mullarkian wrote:Like lots of things - one or two doing it is not a problem, but the scale of on street parking has now reached saturation point on many of our streets.Technically anyone parking so as to impede traffic is causing an obstruction - a police matter. Yellow lines make it an offence that the traffic wardens can enforce. However each year we have more yellow lines on our streets but the same number (or less) wardens!
Why do people think they have the right to permanently park their vehicle on the public highway? This causes an obstruction no matter how you look at it, and when vehicles are parked on both side of the road it sometimes leaves only a sigle lane for traffic to pass. If you haven't got off road parking then you should not have a vehicle.
Bemused, York says...
4:14pm Wed 7 May 08
The legal definition of a private hire driver is a private taxi driver maybe you should look this up
It is not. In fact, 'taxi' not a word which has a legal definition in the UK, but is understood to mean hackney carriage.
Private Hire Vehicle: A Legal Definition
"A private hire vehicle is a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat fewer than nine passengers, other than a hackney carriage, public service vehicle or a London cab, which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers." (Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976)
Hackney Carriage (also called taxis): A Legal Definition
"Every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing or plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon any street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this or the special Act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage,etc., etc" (Section 38 Town Police Clauses Act 1847.)
And from the City of York Private Hire Vehicle licence conditions -
"..A sign on the rear passenger doors including the name and telephone number of the firm and the words "PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLE - PRE BOOKED ONLY" in suitable lettering 50mm high. The approval of the Council should be sought before the display of the sign. The sign must not include the words "FOR HIRE", "TAXI", or "HACKNEY CARRIAGE".
Bemused, York says...
4:04pm Wed 7 May 08
Private Hire Drivers arn't Taxi Drivers...? They obviously are, just with different restrictions to Hackney cars.
They obviously are not, the term 'taxi' can only apply to Hackney carriages.
chris2705, york says...
4:00pm Wed 7 May 08
dodger wrote:oh dodger another jealous person. But see you dont have the guts to show your true identity. The legal definition of a private hire driver is a private taxi driver maybe you should look this up
Mr Bevan you are not a TAXI driver you are a PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER and that grotesque thing you drive jeez those poor hackey drivers having to spend a fortune on new vehicles maybe if you leave your vehicle it may et towed away bring on the yellow lines
JS, York says...
3:43pm Wed 7 May 08
paul wrote:So, let me get this straight, is the gravity of your whinge directed at people parking outside there own house.. or at taxi/private hire drivers.?
why should the council use my council tax to provide drives/laybyes etc for people who think the world should do everything for them, if the vehicles were correctly parked this wouldnt be needed so i totaly agree and if they want to put them outside my house thats fine im sick of driving down yorks streets with cars on grass verges, double parked etc its about time the council acted and ticketed these vehicles, and i notice you found yet another poor taxi driver they are the biggest bunch of whingers ive ever seen they want to pay for nothing and get every priveledge in the book. york cabs are vastly over priced and the service is a joke they should take a trip to harrogate and see how it should be done.
F**k off back to Harrogate if its so wonderful then twinkle.!
Paul Hepworth, York says...
3:36pm Wed 7 May 08
Guy Fawkes wrote:Paying Road Tax does not entitle anyone to do anything. The revenue goes to the Exchequer who spend it on 3rd world aid, nuclear missiles etc. A small amount indirectly reaches the Highways Agency budget. That is spent on M-ways and Trunk Roads. Local roads in York are funded by CoYC substantially via Council Tax to which most of us contribute.
Why do people think they have a right to store their belongings in the street?Because they buy an annual licence (the road tax disc) which entitles them to drive and park the vehicle to which it applies on the public highway.
But even that does not entitle car owners to park on the road. Whether outside their own homes or anywhere else.
JS, York says...
3:32pm Wed 7 May 08
cynical wrote:I'm sorry cynical... but YES, the council do only pay for drives and laybys on FTR routes.
So why dont the council pay for drives / laybys etc to be built, they have a history of providing parking facilities (or is it only on the FTR routes).
Guy Fawkes, Bootham says...
3:18pm Wed 7 May 08
Why do people think they have a right to store their belongings in the street?
Because they buy an annual licence (the road tax disc) which entitles them to drive and park the vehicle to which it applies on the public highway.
North Wales Yorkie, North Wales says...
3:15pm Wed 7 May 08
Brian, york says...
3:13pm Wed 7 May 08
Mullarkian, York says...
3:13pm Wed 7 May 08
This causes an obstruction no matter how you look at it, and when vehicles are parked on both side of the road it sometimes leaves only a sigle lane for traffic to pass.
If you haven't got off road parking then you should not have a vehicle.
Keith, York says...
3:06pm Wed 7 May 08
dodger wrote:Private Hire Drivers arn't Taxi Drivers...? They obviously are, just with different restrictions to Hackney cars. What does that have to do with anything?
Mr Bevan you are not a TAXI driver you are a PRIVATE HIRE DRIVER and that grotesque thing you drive jeez those poor hackey drivers having to spend a fortune on new vehicles maybe if you leave your vehicle it may et towed away bring on the yellow lines
dodger, york says...
2:51pm Wed 7 May 08
dodger, york says...
2:51pm Wed 7 May 08
dodger, york says...
2:51pm Wed 7 May 08
Guy Fawkes, Bootham says...
2:38pm Wed 7 May 08
why should the council use my council tax to provide drives/laybyes etc for people who think the world should do everything for them?
Because when these residents bought or first rented the properties they now live in, roadside parking was available. If you take that away after the event, you've reduced their quality of life and the value of their homes, especially in an area with relatively poor public transport.
If I was moving house now, I would find out if the place I was thinking of buying or renting had either off-road or nearby roadside parking available. If it didn't, I would have no legitimate complaint if I then found I couldn't park, because I should have checked this out first. But if I move into a place which does have roadside parking and then they take it away, then I should be entitled to expect the council to provide me with an alternative.
Manwithaview, York says...
2:35pm Wed 7 May 08
paul, york says...
1:50pm Wed 7 May 08
cynical, York says...
1:35pm Wed 7 May 08
Mark, Tadcaster says...
1:28pm Wed 7 May 08
There are far too many bus stops on most routes anyway, some only a couple of hundred yards apart. Surely cutting the number down would help traffic flow, decrease pollution caused by the constant stopping and starting and help the buses run more freely.
Flash, York says...
1:26pm Wed 7 May 08
Stevie in Selby, Selby says...
1:23pm Wed 7 May 08
If residents want the bus service to continue, they will have to sacrifice some on-road parking. Maybe more off-road parking needs to be made available.
the invisible man, southbank says...
1:08pm Wed 7 May 08
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york1900, York says...
11:42pm Fri 9 May 08
Bring on the yellow lines as most drivers don't take notice of them anyway