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A BRITISH National Party member who tried to fight an election in York and in Scotland at the same time has now "quit" after his own party took an injunction out against him.
The BNP has taken legal action against six former officials including a man from York for alleged misuse of party data.
Chairman of the BNP, Nick Griffin, has secured an injunction from Manchester High Court, preventing the group from using party property including a list of all its members.
Among the six who have contested the injunction is Ian Dawson, the party's former Group Support Officer.
He stood in the City of York Council election for Acomb in April last year as one of nine BNP candidates while also hoping to win a seat in Scotland, through the regional party list system. He failed to win in either city.
The former Yorkshire Secretary and former York Organiser announced his "resignation" from the BNP on the internet in December, while challenging the internal management of the party. His decision to stand down, and the latest court action, follows months of internal wrangling within the party.
The other five former party officials involved in the court proceedings are Steve Blake, Sadie Graham, Matt Single, Kenny Smith and Nicholla Smith.
Simon Darby, a BNP spokesman, said: "We, as a party, sought an injunction against the use of party equipment by the six people. The injunction was granted."
He said the equipment concerned included the party membership list as well as mobile phones, digital duplicators and computers. Another hearing is expected to take place in April.
"We were bound under the terms of the Data Protection Act to take this action," he said.
"There are thousands of names on the list. They have been using it since December. It upset a lot of people."
He said the group was contesting the injunction and another hearing is expected to take place in April.
"The technicalities of our injunction were that they can't use anything that we have asked them not to use.
"They can currently publish things, but they can't use our membership list. They can't use the duplicator."
He was unsure how long the process would take.
Mr Dawson, who is in his mid-20s, attended York College before working as a self-employed administration systems manager.
When contacted by The Press, he said: "I don't want to make any comment on it, not for the time being. I don't want to get involved in saying things out of turn."
7:53am Thursday 27th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: redp, Huntington on 8:20am Thu 27 Mar 08
The BNP fighting among themselves, how could that happen?
The BNP fighting among themselves, how could that happen?
Posted by: redp, Huntington on 8:29am Thu 27 Mar 08
The BNP fighting among themselves, how could that happen?
The BNP fighting among themselves, how could that happen?
Posted by: Monkey, Newcastle on 8:38am Thu 27 Mar 08
Isn't he the one that effectively told Manny Panther to stop worrying about politics and get on with playing football? Yes massser- twit!
Isn't he the one that effectively told Manny Panther to stop worrying about politics and get on with playing football? Yes massser- twit!
Posted by: tony, york on 10:02am Thu 27 Mar 08
Does that mean another racist bigot wont be standing for election?? Oh joy
Does that mean another racist bigot wont be standing for election?? Oh joy
Posted by: franky, york on 10:27am Thu 27 Mar 08
The BNP are truly rabble. Can't believe anyone other than bigots get fooled into thinking of voting for them.
The BNP are truly rabble. Can't believe anyone other than bigots get fooled into thinking of voting for them.
Posted by: salvation, scotland on 10:29am Thu 27 Mar 08
Posted by: tony, york on 10:02am today
Does that mean another racist bigot wont be standing for election?? Oh joy.
Surely you are the one using biggotry by tarring all members of the BNP with the same brush. Is it not indicative that all are not the same when a group of senior members of the BNP are so disatisfied with the policies of the party that they are prepared to resign over the issue?
I would have thought the sensible thing to do before you start casting aspersions against those not readily able to defend themselves would have been to wait and see why the resignations were instigated in the first place. Or perhaps your particular brand of politics does not permit such rational behaviour. Very sad in these days of enlightenment.
Posted by: tony, york on 10:02am today
Does that mean another racist bigot wont be standing for election?? Oh joy.
Surely you are the one using biggotry by tarring all members of the BNP with the same brush. Is it not indicative that all are not the same when a group of senior members of the BNP are so disatisfied with the policies of the party that they are prepared to resign over the issue?
I would have thought the sensible thing to do before you start casting aspersions against those not readily able to defend themselves would have been to wait and see why the resignations were instigated in the first place. Or perhaps your particular brand of politics does not permit such rational behaviour. Very sad in these days of enlightenment.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 10:36am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]salvation[/bold] wrote:
Posted by: tony, york on 10:02am today Does that mean another racist bigot wont be standing for election?? Oh joy. Surely you are the one using biggotry by tarring all members of the BNP with the same brush. Is it not indicative that all are not the same when a group of senior members of the BNP are so disatisfied with the policies of the party that they are prepared to resign over the issue? I would have thought the sensible thing to do before you start casting aspersions against those not readily able to defend themselves would have been to wait and see why the resignations were instigated in the first place. Or perhaps your particular brand of politics does not permit such rational behaviour. Very sad in these days of enlightenment.[/quote] Agree it is a shame that all of the party gets labled because of some extreemists. Im not a racist but do believe some of what the bmp is saying is 100% correct. Some people are just to nieve to notice it.
salvation wrote:
Posted by: tony, york on 10:02am today Does that mean another racist bigot wont be standing for election?? Oh joy. Surely you are the one using biggotry by tarring all members of the BNP with the same brush. Is it not indicative that all are not the same when a group of senior members of the BNP are so disatisfied with the policies of the party that they are prepared to resign over the issue? I would have thought the sensible thing to do before you start casting aspersions against those not readily able to defend themselves would have been to wait and see why the resignations were instigated in the first place. Or perhaps your particular brand of politics does not permit such rational behaviour. Very sad in these days of enlightenment.
Agree it is a shame that all of the party gets labled because of some extreemists. Im not a racist but do believe some of what the bmp is saying is 100% correct. Some people are just to nieve to notice it.
Posted by: redp, Huntington on 10:59am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]salvation[/bold] wrote:
Posted by: tony, york on 10:02am today Does that mean another racist bigot wont be standing for election?? Oh joy. Surely you are the one using biggotry by tarring all members of the BNP with the same brush. Is it not indicative that all are not the same when a group of senior members of the BNP are so disatisfied with the policies of the party that they are prepared to resign over the issue? I would have thought the sensible thing to do before you start casting aspersions against those not readily able to defend themselves would have been to wait and see why the resignations were instigated in the first place. Or perhaps your particular brand of politics does not permit such rational behaviour. Very sad in these days of enlightenment.[/quote] "Those not readily able to defend themselves"
Ha, from a party that builds an entire manifesto on attacking the vulnerable.
salvation wrote:
Posted by: tony, york on 10:02am today Does that mean another racist bigot wont be standing for election?? Oh joy. Surely you are the one using biggotry by tarring all members of the BNP with the same brush. Is it not indicative that all are not the same when a group of senior members of the BNP are so disatisfied with the policies of the party that they are prepared to resign over the issue? I would have thought the sensible thing to do before you start casting aspersions against those not readily able to defend themselves would have been to wait and see why the resignations were instigated in the first place. Or perhaps your particular brand of politics does not permit such rational behaviour. Very sad in these days of enlightenment.
"Those not readily able to defend themselves"
Ha, from a party that builds an entire manifesto on attacking the vulnerable.
Posted by: misskittie, York on 11:08am Thu 27 Mar 08
I cannot believe that people still fall for the BNP rubbish!!! Wake up!! Saying "I do agree with some of their ideas" is the 21st century equivilent of saying "that third reich wasn't all bad, some of them were nice people". Have a word with yourself!
I cannot believe that people still fall for the BNP rubbish!!! Wake up!! Saying "I do agree with some of their ideas" is the 21st century equivilent of saying "that third reich wasn't all bad, some of them were nice people". Have a word with yourself!
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 11:15am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]misskittie[/bold] wrote:
I cannot believe that people still fall for the BNP rubbish!!! Wake up!! Saying "I do agree with some of their ideas" is the 21st century equivilent of saying "that third reich wasn't all bad, some of them were nice people". Have a word with yourself! [/quote] Go on then miss kitty do you believe its right for us to be slack on imigration laws allowing people into our country who just want to blow it up? Do you think its right that people who cant speak our language get medical treatment before the actual uk citizens? So yes i do agree with part of it!
misskittie wrote:
I cannot believe that people still fall for the BNP rubbish!!! Wake up!! Saying "I do agree with some of their ideas" is the 21st century equivilent of saying "that third reich wasn't all bad, some of them were nice people". Have a word with yourself!
Go on then miss kitty do you believe its right for us to be slack on imigration laws allowing people into our country who just want to blow it up? Do you think its right that people who cant speak our language get medical treatment before the actual uk citizens? So yes i do agree with part of it!
Posted by: Green Arrow, South Wales on 11:15am Thu 27 Mar 08
What really amazes me, is that in a recent by-election the BNP only got 38% of the vote. This means some people are still supporting a corrupt Labour Party that took us into illegal wars causing untold numbers of deaths and still refuses to carry out its election promise of giving the people a referencum on europe.
Now that DOES amaze me.
What really amazes me, is that in a recent by-election the BNP only got 38% of the vote. This means some people are still supporting a corrupt Labour Party that took us into illegal wars causing untold numbers of deaths and still refuses to carry out its election promise of giving the people a referencum on europe.
Now that DOES amaze me.
Posted by: Jackie, York on 11:18am Thu 27 Mar 08
Britain has a proud history of fighting Nazis and fascism.
The brave Tommies of WWII would show the BNP the tip of their bayonets rather than read one of their leaflets.
No British patriot would EVER support the BNP.
.
Britain has a proud history of fighting Nazis and fascism.
The brave Tommies of WWII would show the BNP the tip of their bayonets rather than read one of their leaflets.
No British patriot would EVER support the BNP.
.
Posted by: misskittie, York on 11:28am Thu 27 Mar 08
I think we need a policy of managed immigration (points system etc) not the "round em up and send em home" attitude of the BNP. Speaking as someone responsible for interviewing staff for a major York employer, I'm taking Phd qualified immigrants over UK born applicants with no GCSE's at the moment for two reasons...1. A work ethic 2. They turn up on time & every day. Find me a UK born person who wants to work in data entry and I'll show you a liar who won't turn up again after two days. Sad fact of every day York life.
As for letting people in to bomb the country, the last two attempts to bomb the country were by people born here, in Yorkshire FFS. Two were second & third generation. The bombers before that were Irish white people. The US has been attacked by British born people (Richard Reid). Are you saying that only white immigration is allowed? Or are you saying that British Muslims need to be sent home? Not sure exactly which racist vibe you are on there? Oh and personal experience has taught me, no stamp, no treatment after i moved to Europe then tried to come back for NHS treatment...I got a bill despite paying tax for years!! More BNP lies.
I'm maybe missing the point...or more likely, the BNP is twisting & spinning the truth to suit their racist agenda.
I think we need a policy of managed immigration (points system etc) not the "round em up and send em home" attitude of the BNP. Speaking as someone responsible for interviewing staff for a major York employer, I'm taking Phd qualified immigrants over UK born applicants with no GCSE's at the moment for two reasons...1. A work ethic 2. They turn up on time & every day. Find me a UK born person who wants to work in data entry and I'll show you a liar who won't turn up again after two days. Sad fact of every day York life.
As for letting people in to bomb the country, the last two attempts to bomb the country were by people born here, in Yorkshire FFS. Two were second & third generation. The bombers before that were Irish white people. The US has been attacked by British born people (Richard Reid). Are you saying that only white immigration is allowed? Or are you saying that British Muslims need to be sent home? Not sure exactly which racist vibe you are on there? Oh and personal experience has taught me, no stamp, no treatment after i moved to Europe then tried to come back for NHS treatment...I got a bill despite paying tax for years!! More BNP lies.
I'm maybe missing the point...or more likely, the BNP is twisting & spinning the truth to suit their racist agenda.
Posted by: Jackie, York on 11:31am Thu 27 Mar 08
Ian Dawsons hair looks so greasy, can someone please buy him a bottle of shampoo.
Ian Dawsons hair looks so greasy, can someone please buy him a bottle of shampoo.
Posted by: salvation, scotland on 11:33am Thu 27 Mar 08
"Posted by: redp, Huntington
Ha, from a party that builds an entire manifesto on attacking the vulnerable."
The vulnerable in the UK are the aged and the infirm, the homeless and the jobless. They are the ones that, as far as I can make out, are being defended by the BNP. And why? Because the services to which they are rightly entitled are being wasted on immigrants, illegals and asylum seekers, in an effort to secure their votes by a Government that no longer gives a **** about it's own for fear of being called 'racist'. Are you perhaps suggesting that it is the members of the so called' secret invasion' from eastern Europe and Asia who are the vulnerable ones?
And in response to the the other silly childlike comment regarding 'tommies'. I was one for six years defnding what my forebears fought for. A Britain that the BNP is asking for the return of. When you are old enough to have aquired some wisdom then you have my permission to return to the the discussion in hand.
"Posted by: redp, Huntington
Ha, from a party that builds an entire manifesto on attacking the vulnerable."
The vulnerable in the UK are the aged and the infirm, the homeless and the jobless. They are the ones that, as far as I can make out, are being defended by the BNP. And why? Because the services to which they are rightly entitled are being wasted on immigrants, illegals and asylum seekers, in an effort to secure their votes by a Government that no longer gives a **** about it's own for fear of being called 'racist'. Are you perhaps suggesting that it is the members of the so called' secret invasion' from eastern Europe and Asia who are the vulnerable ones?
And in response to the the other silly childlike comment regarding 'tommies'. I was one for six years defnding what my forebears fought for. A Britain that the BNP is asking for the return of. When you are old enough to have aquired some wisdom then you have my permission to return to the the discussion in hand.
Posted by: misskittie, York on 11:34am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]salvation[/bold] wrote:
"Posted by: redp, Huntington Ha, from a party that builds an entire manifesto on attacking the vulnerable." The vulnerable in the UK are the aged and the infirm, the homeless and the jobless. They are the ones that, as far as I can make out, are being defended by the BNP. And why? Because the services to which they are rightly entitled are being wasted on immigrants, illegals and asylum seekers, in an effort to secure their votes by a Government that no longer gives a **** about it's own for fear of being called 'racist'. Are you perhaps suggesting that it is the members of the so called' secret invasion' from eastern Europe and Asia who are the vulnerable ones? And in response to the the other silly childlike comment regarding 'tommies'. I was one for six years defnding what my forebears fought for. A Britain that the BNP is asking for the return of. When you are old enough to have aquired some wisdom then you have my permission to return to the the discussion in hand.[/quote] Good to see that Daily Mail still has a readership....
salvation wrote:
"Posted by: redp, Huntington Ha, from a party that builds an entire manifesto on attacking the vulnerable." The vulnerable in the UK are the aged and the infirm, the homeless and the jobless. They are the ones that, as far as I can make out, are being defended by the BNP. And why? Because the services to which they are rightly entitled are being wasted on immigrants, illegals and asylum seekers, in an effort to secure their votes by a Government that no longer gives a **** about it's own for fear of being called 'racist'. Are you perhaps suggesting that it is the members of the so called' secret invasion' from eastern Europe and Asia who are the vulnerable ones? And in response to the the other silly childlike comment regarding 'tommies'. I was one for six years defnding what my forebears fought for. A Britain that the BNP is asking for the return of. When you are old enough to have aquired some wisdom then you have my permission to return to the the discussion in hand.
Good to see that Daily Mail still has a readership....
Posted by: Elizabeth, york on 11:47am Thu 27 Mar 08
Salvation: Legal immigrants who work in the UK and pay taxes have just as much right to services as people born in the UK. Asylum seekers are here because they are fleeing horrific lives in their home countries, often escaping torture and death. The UK is in a poistion to offer shelter. What if the vulnerable people of this country needed to flee similar situations. Should tehy be refused entry to a country that could help?
Salvation: Legal immigrants who work in the UK and pay taxes have just as much right to services as people born in the UK. Asylum seekers are here because they are fleeing horrific lives in their home countries, often escaping torture and death. The UK is in a poistion to offer shelter. What if the vulnerable people of this country needed to flee similar situations. Should tehy be refused entry to a country that could help?
Posted by: redp, Huntington on 11:54am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]salvation[/bold] wrote:
"Posted by: redp, Huntington Ha, from a party that builds an entire manifesto on attacking the vulnerable." The vulnerable in the UK are the aged and the infirm, the homeless and the jobless. They are the ones that, as far as I can make out, are being defended by the BNP. And why? Because the services to which they are rightly entitled are being wasted on immigrants, illegals and asylum seekers, in an effort to secure their votes by a Government that no longer gives a **** about it's own for fear of being called 'racist'. Are you perhaps suggesting that it is the members of the so called' secret invasion' from eastern Europe and Asia who are the vulnerable ones? And in response to the the other silly childlike comment regarding 'tommies'. I was one for six years defnding what my forebears fought for. A Britain that the BNP is asking for the return of. When you are old enough to have aquired some wisdom then you have my permission to return to the the discussion in hand.[/quote] My dad and his brothers all fought during the Second World War. They and their allies were fighting against fascism and racist dictators. They were rightly horrified when the details of the concentration camps and evidence of ethnic cleansing came to light. Unfortunately it seems that their generation only won the battle of 39-45 as the war on fascism still continues. As to the age of contributors your argument proves that age and wisdom do not always go hand in hand.
salvation wrote:
"Posted by: redp, Huntington Ha, from a party that builds an entire manifesto on attacking the vulnerable." The vulnerable in the UK are the aged and the infirm, the homeless and the jobless. They are the ones that, as far as I can make out, are being defended by the BNP. And why? Because the services to which they are rightly entitled are being wasted on immigrants, illegals and asylum seekers, in an effort to secure their votes by a Government that no longer gives a **** about it's own for fear of being called 'racist'. Are you perhaps suggesting that it is the members of the so called' secret invasion' from eastern Europe and Asia who are the vulnerable ones? And in response to the the other silly childlike comment regarding 'tommies'. I was one for six years defnding what my forebears fought for. A Britain that the BNP is asking for the return of. When you are old enough to have aquired some wisdom then you have my permission to return to the the discussion in hand.
My dad and his brothers all fought during the Second World War. They and their allies were fighting against fascism and racist dictators. They were rightly horrified when the details of the concentration camps and evidence of ethnic cleansing came to light. Unfortunately it seems that their generation only won the battle of 39-45 as the war on fascism still continues. As to the age of contributors your argument proves that age and wisdom do not always go hand in hand.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 11:58am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]misskittie[/bold] wrote:
I think we need a policy of managed immigration (points system etc) not the "round em up and send em home" attitude of the BNP. Speaking as someone responsible for interviewing staff for a major York employer, I'm taking Phd qualified immigrants over UK born applicants with no GCSE's at the moment for two reasons...1. A work ethic 2. They turn up on time & every day. Find me a UK born person who wants to work in data entry and I'll show you a liar who won't turn up again after two days. Sad fact of every day York life. As for letting people in to bomb the country, the last two attempts to bomb the country were by people born here, in Yorkshire FFS. Two were second & third generation. The bombers before that were Irish white people. The US has been attacked by British born people (Richard Reid). Are you saying that only white immigration is allowed? Or are you saying that British Muslims need to be sent home? Not sure exactly which racist vibe you are on there? Oh and personal experience has taught me, no stamp, no treatment after i moved to Europe then tried to come back for NHS treatment...I got a bill despite paying tax for years!! More BNP lies. I'm maybe missing the point...or more likely, the BNP is twisting & spinning the truth to suit their racist agenda. [/quote] Ha ha look like i said before i believe in some of it as my own point of views. I arn't gona lie to you i dont even vote because the country is in a dump. As for even listening to the bnp i have not even seen a clip of them on tv. I'm simply saying we even let hook hand stay in our country knowing he was a racist nutter? He was clearly trying to tap into the minds of the younger generations. It might be worth you having a read of the terrorist moved prisons story from yesterday. There was a interesting post on there.
misskittie wrote:
I think we need a policy of managed immigration (points system etc) not the "round em up and send em home" attitude of the BNP. Speaking as someone responsible for interviewing staff for a major York employer, I'm taking Phd qualified immigrants over UK born applicants with no GCSE's at the moment for two reasons...1. A work ethic 2. They turn up on time & every day. Find me a UK born person who wants to work in data entry and I'll show you a liar who won't turn up again after two days. Sad fact of every day York life. As for letting people in to bomb the country, the last two attempts to bomb the country were by people born here, in Yorkshire FFS. Two were second & third generation. The bombers before that were Irish white people. The US has been attacked by British born people (Richard Reid). Are you saying that only white immigration is allowed? Or are you saying that British Muslims need to be sent home? Not sure exactly which racist vibe you are on there? Oh and personal experience has taught me, no stamp, no treatment after i moved to Europe then tried to come back for NHS treatment...I got a bill despite paying tax for years!! More BNP lies. I'm maybe missing the point...or more likely, the BNP is twisting & spinning the truth to suit their racist agenda.
Ha ha look like i said before i believe in some of it as my own point of views. I arn't gona lie to you i dont even vote because the country is in a dump. As for even listening to the bnp i have not even seen a clip of them on tv. I'm simply saying we even let hook hand stay in our country knowing he was a racist nutter? He was clearly trying to tap into the minds of the younger generations. It might be worth you having a read of the terrorist moved prisons story from yesterday. There was a interesting post on there.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 11:59am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]redp[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]salvation[/bold] wrote: "Posted by: redp, Huntington Ha, from a party that builds an entire manifesto on attacking the vulnerable." The vulnerable in the UK are the aged and the infirm, the homeless and the jobless. They are the ones that, as far as I can make out, are being defended by the BNP. And why? Because the services to which they are rightly entitled are being wasted on immigrants, illegals and asylum seekers, in an effort to secure their votes by a Government that no longer gives a **** about it's own for fear of being called 'racist'. Are you perhaps suggesting that it is the members of the so called' secret invasion' from eastern Europe and Asia who are the vulnerable ones? And in response to the the other silly childlike comment regarding 'tommies'. I was one for six years defnding what my forebears fought for. A Britain that the BNP is asking for the return of. When you are old enough to have aquired some wisdom then you have my permission to return to the the discussion in hand.[/quote] My dad and his brothers all fought during the Second World War. They and their allies were fighting against fascism and racist dictators. They were rightly horrified when the details of the concentration camps and evidence of ethnic cleansing came to light. Unfortunately it seems that their generation only won the battle of 39-45 as the war on fascism still continues. As to the age of contributors your argument proves that age and wisdom do not always go hand in hand. [/quote] Times have changed. Before then we were not getting bombed. It was hitlers army not bin lardens.
redp wrote:
salvation wrote: "Posted by: redp, Huntington Ha, from a party that builds an entire manifesto on attacking the vulnerable." The vulnerable in the UK are the aged and the infirm, the homeless and the jobless. They are the ones that, as far as I can make out, are being defended by the BNP. And why? Because the services to which they are rightly entitled are being wasted on immigrants, illegals and asylum seekers, in an effort to secure their votes by a Government that no longer gives a **** about it's own for fear of being called 'racist'. Are you perhaps suggesting that it is the members of the so called' secret invasion' from eastern Europe and Asia who are the vulnerable ones? And in response to the the other silly childlike comment regarding 'tommies'. I was one for six years defnding what my forebears fought for. A Britain that the BNP is asking for the return of. When you are old enough to have aquired some wisdom then you have my permission to return to the the discussion in hand.
My dad and his brothers all fought during the Second World War. They and their allies were fighting against fascism and racist dictators. They were rightly horrified when the details of the concentration camps and evidence of ethnic cleansing came to light. Unfortunately it seems that their generation only won the battle of 39-45 as the war on fascism still continues. As to the age of contributors your argument proves that age and wisdom do not always go hand in hand.
Times have changed. Before then we were not getting bombed. It was hitlers army not bin lardens.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 12:01pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Elizabeth[/bold] wrote:
Salvation: Legal immigrants who work in the UK and pay taxes have just as much right to services as people born in the UK. Asylum seekers are here because they are fleeing horrific lives in their home countries, often escaping torture and death. The UK is in a poistion to offer shelter. What if the vulnerable people of this country needed to flee similar situations. Should tehy be refused entry to a country that could help? [/quote] France does that? Why should we help other countries before our own people?
Elizabeth wrote:
Salvation: Legal immigrants who work in the UK and pay taxes have just as much right to services as people born in the UK. Asylum seekers are here because they are fleeing horrific lives in their home countries, often escaping torture and death. The UK is in a poistion to offer shelter. What if the vulnerable people of this country needed to flee similar situations. Should tehy be refused entry to a country that could help?
France does that? Why should we help other countries before our own people?
Posted by: Elizabeth, york on 12:10pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Elizabeth[/bold] wrote: Salvation: Legal immigrants who work in the UK and pay taxes have just as much right to services as people born in the UK. Asylum seekers are here because they are fleeing horrific lives in their home countries, often escaping torture and death. The UK is in a poistion to offer shelter. What if the vulnerable people of this country needed to flee similar situations. Should tehy be refused entry to a country that could help? [/quote] France does that? Why should we help other countries before our own people? [/quote] So we should leave people to be tortured, women and children to be raped and people to be murdered? Is that what you're saying? Let's ignore whats going on in the world. Let's do F. all to help them when we know we can. Let's just be concerned with people in our own country, forgetting we are actually members of the human race. Those who happened to be born into different countries where terrible acts are committed should be ignored. It does not concern us.
Nice point of view you've got going on there.
bobby dazzler wrote:
Elizabeth wrote: Salvation: Legal immigrants who work in the UK and pay taxes have just as much right to services as people born in the UK. Asylum seekers are here because they are fleeing horrific lives in their home countries, often escaping torture and death. The UK is in a poistion to offer shelter. What if the vulnerable people of this country needed to flee similar situations. Should tehy be refused entry to a country that could help?
France does that? Why should we help other countries before our own people?
So we should leave people to be tortured, women and children to be raped and people to be murdered? Is that what you're saying? Let's ignore whats going on in the world. Let's do F. all to help them when we know we can. Let's just be concerned with people in our own country, forgetting we are actually members of the human race. Those who happened to be born into different countries where terrible acts are committed should be ignored. It does not concern us.
Nice point of view you've got going on there.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 12:18pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Elizabeth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Elizabeth[/bold] wrote: Salvation: Legal immigrants who work in the UK and pay taxes have just as much right to services as people born in the UK. Asylum seekers are here because they are fleeing horrific lives in their home countries, often escaping torture and death. The UK is in a poistion to offer shelter. What if the vulnerable people of this country needed to flee similar situations. Should tehy be refused entry to a country that could help? [/quote] France does that? Why should we help other countries before our own people? [/quote] So we should leave people to be tortured, women and children to be raped and people to be murdered? Is that what you're saying? Let's ignore whats going on in the world. Let's do F. all to help them when we know we can. Let's just be concerned with people in our own country, forgetting we are actually members of the human race. Those who happened to be born into different countries where terrible acts are committed should be ignored. It does not concern us. Nice point of view you've got going on there. [/quote] Why not we ignore all the rape and murder in our own counrty. Our country was once known for law and order. It is now a haven for crime. Also i suggest you have a look at the majority of names that the rapes and murders include. As i see it the troubles of other counrtries are now boiling over into ours. Guess is pretty soon something will kick off.
Elizabeth wrote:
bobby dazzler wrote: Elizabeth wrote: Salvation: Legal immigrants who work in the UK and pay taxes have just as much right to services as people born in the UK. Asylum seekers are here because they are fleeing horrific lives in their home countries, often escaping torture and death. The UK is in a poistion to offer shelter. What if the vulnerable people of this country needed to flee similar situations. Should tehy be refused entry to a country that could help?
France does that? Why should we help other countries before our own people?
So we should leave people to be tortured, women and children to be raped and people to be murdered? Is that what you're saying? Let's ignore whats going on in the world. Let's do F. all to help them when we know we can. Let's just be concerned with people in our own country, forgetting we are actually members of the human race. Those who happened to be born into different countries where terrible acts are committed should be ignored. It does not concern us. Nice point of view you've got going on there.
Why not we ignore all the rape and murder in our own counrty. Our country was once known for law and order. It is now a haven for crime. Also i suggest you have a look at the majority of names that the rapes and murders include. As i see it the troubles of other counrtries are now boiling over into ours. Guess is pretty soon something will kick off.
Posted by: misskittie, York on 12:23pm Thu 27 Mar 08
bobbydazzler: I refer you to my Daily Mail comment if these are really your own opinions. Been in a mosque? Spoken to British Muslims on their opinion of "hook hand"? He was about as welcome as a sausage roll in a normal UK mosque and he's now dodging bullets in Syria. Problem solved, yet BNP propaganda still mentions this over and over again.
Does anyone actually understand the term fundamentalism? If they do, the USA is currently run by Christian Fundamentalists who are hell bent on promoting their own Middle East agenda resulting in their occupation of the oil fields. Imagine if Islamic Fundamentalists did the same here for the North Sea Oil. I bet one or two of you would be considering hitting the Iranians/Saudi etc with a few home made bombs or getting on their bus/tube with a couple of nail bombs? Judging by the opinions on here, if that was the case, the flight to Riyadh is already half full with British Patriots prepared to defend their liberty. Now you understand how the Middle East feels. Start protests against the proper criminals who are corrupting the minds of our young. Our so called Allies tell us that it's OK to attack people you don't agree with so long as they have oil/stuff to steal. If this wasn't the case and we hit Iraq for humanitarian reasons, then why is Mugabe still in power?
The BNP lies and Labour lies, the difference? BNP lies end with forced labour camps and cultural division. Labour lies put 10p on your petrol price and make you wait five more weeks for an operation. I know where my vote goes.
Rant over :D
bobbydazzler: I refer you to my Daily Mail comment if these are really your own opinions. Been in a mosque? Spoken to British Muslims on their opinion of "hook hand"? He was about as welcome as a sausage roll in a normal UK mosque and he's now dodging bullets in Syria. Problem solved, yet BNP propaganda still mentions this over and over again.
Does anyone actually understand the term fundamentalism? If they do, the USA is currently run by Christian Fundamentalists who are hell bent on promoting their own Middle East agenda resulting in their occupation of the oil fields. Imagine if Islamic Fundamentalists did the same here for the North Sea Oil. I bet one or two of you would be considering hitting the Iranians/Saudi etc with a few home made bombs or getting on their bus/tube with a couple of nail bombs? Judging by the opinions on here, if that was the case, the flight to Riyadh is already half full with British Patriots prepared to defend their liberty. Now you understand how the Middle East feels. Start protests against the proper criminals who are corrupting the minds of our young. Our so called Allies tell us that it's OK to attack people you don't agree with so long as they have oil/stuff to steal. If this wasn't the case and we hit Iraq for humanitarian reasons, then why is Mugabe still in power?
The BNP lies and Labour lies, the difference? BNP lies end with forced labour camps and cultural division. Labour lies put 10p on your petrol price and make you wait five more weeks for an operation. I know where my vote goes.
Rant over :D
Posted by: Elizabeth, york on 12:28pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Bobby Dazzler: You seem to misunderstand that these attrocities are being carried out by those in power. This is what asylum seekers are fleeing. A country where government/police/ armed forces are corrupt. Yes, terrible things happen in England too but here we can turn to the police and justice system with more faith than some in other countries can.
People here are not killed by those in power for being gay, or beaten and raped for sitting in a car with a man.
Bobby Dazzler: You seem to misunderstand that these attrocities are being carried out by those in power. This is what asylum seekers are fleeing. A country where government/police/ armed forces are corrupt. Yes, terrible things happen in England too but here we can turn to the police and justice system with more faith than some in other countries can.
People here are not killed by those in power for being gay, or beaten and raped for sitting in a car with a man.
Posted by: Monkey, Newcastle on 12:30pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]misskittie[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe that people still fall for the BNP rubbish!!! Wake up!! Saying "I do agree with some of their ideas" is the 21st century equivilent of saying "that third reich wasn't all bad, some of them were nice people". Have a word with yourself! [/quote] Go on then miss kitty do you believe its right for us to be slack on imigration laws allowing people into our country who just want to blow it up? Do you think its right that people who cant speak our language get medical treatment before the actual uk citizens? So yes i do agree with part of it! [/quote] bobby, look at some of the posts you've typed above before deriding people for not speaking our language- if that were a predeterminate for receiving NHS care, you'd be in trouble sunshine
bobby dazzler wrote:
misskittie wrote: I cannot believe that people still fall for the BNP rubbish!!! Wake up!! Saying "I do agree with some of their ideas" is the 21st century equivilent of saying "that third reich wasn't all bad, some of them were nice people". Have a word with yourself!
Go on then miss kitty do you believe its right for us to be slack on imigration laws allowing people into our country who just want to blow it up? Do you think its right that people who cant speak our language get medical treatment before the actual uk citizens? So yes i do agree with part of it!
bobby, look at some of the posts you've typed above before deriding people for not speaking our language- if that were a predeterminate for receiving NHS care, you'd be in trouble sunshine
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 12:36pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]misskittie[/bold] wrote:
bobbydazzler: I refer you to my Daily Mail comment if these are really your own opinions. Been in a mosque? Spoken to British Muslims on their opinion of "hook hand"? He was about as welcome as a sausage roll in a normal UK mosque and he's now dodging bullets in Syria. Problem solved, yet BNP propaganda still mentions this over and over again. Does anyone actually understand the term fundamentalism? If they do, the USA is currently run by Christian Fundamentalists who are hell bent on promoting their own Middle East agenda resulting in their occupation of the oil fields. Imagine if Islamic Fundamentalists did the same here for the North Sea Oil. I bet one or two of you would be considering hitting the Iranians/Saudi etc with a few home made bombs or getting on their bus/tube with a couple of nail bombs? Judging by the opinions on here, if that was the case, the flight to Riyadh is already half full with British Patriots prepared to defend their liberty. Now you understand how the Middle East feels. Start protests against the proper criminals who are corrupting the minds of our young. Our so called Allies tell us that it's OK to attack people you don't agree with so long as they have oil/stuff to steal. If this wasn't the case and we hit Iraq for humanitarian reasons, then why is Mugabe still in power? The BNP lies and Labour lies, the difference? BNP lies end with forced labour camps and cultural division. Labour lies put 10p on your petrol price and make you wait five more weeks for an operation. I know where my vote goes. Rant over :D[/quote] No not been in a mosque but have been past them on the way to a game of rugby where all our players were racially abused and spat at for being white. And like i say my views are my views. I do not read papers because they are full of sh@#. I do not listen to any government parties because they are full of more sh@#. And to any clear minded person iraq was only invaded for oil. Im simply saying the country is in a state and is looking after other before its own. That to me is wrong. Hence why even more citizens are fleeying the uk as their sick of the state of it. The day a prisoner who was charged with terror gets to move prisons to "huntlys" sutton prison with playstations etc on the grounds of his other prison was too "white" is the day i realised we look after the wrong people to much. Please dont take that as me saying only treat whites etc because thats not my view at all. Simply saying people who help our counrty are welcome to it. People who simply get let in with the idea of draining the health care and benifits should not be.
misskittie wrote:
bobbydazzler: I refer you to my Daily Mail comment if these are really your own opinions. Been in a mosque? Spoken to British Muslims on their opinion of "hook hand"? He was about as welcome as a sausage roll in a normal UK mosque and he's now dodging bullets in Syria. Problem solved, yet BNP propaganda still mentions this over and over again. Does anyone actually understand the term fundamentalism? If they do, the USA is currently run by Christian Fundamentalists who are hell bent on promoting their own Middle East agenda resulting in their occupation of the oil fields. Imagine if Islamic Fundamentalists did the same here for the North Sea Oil. I bet one or two of you would be considering hitting the Iranians/Saudi etc with a few home made bombs or getting on their bus/tube with a couple of nail bombs? Judging by the opinions on here, if that was the case, the flight to Riyadh is already half full with British Patriots prepared to defend their liberty. Now you understand how the Middle East feels. Start protests against the proper criminals who are corrupting the minds of our young. Our so called Allies tell us that it's OK to attack people you don't agree with so long as they have oil/stuff to steal. If this wasn't the case and we hit Iraq for humanitarian reasons, then why is Mugabe still in power? The BNP lies and Labour lies, the difference? BNP lies end with forced labour camps and cultural division. Labour lies put 10p on your petrol price and make you wait five more weeks for an operation. I know where my vote goes. Rant over :D
No not been in a mosque but have been past them on the way to a game of rugby where all our players were racially abused and spat at for being white. And like i say my views are my views. I do not read papers because they are full of sh@#. I do not listen to any government parties because they are full of more sh@#. And to any clear minded person iraq was only invaded for oil. Im simply saying the country is in a state and is looking after other before its own. That to me is wrong. Hence why even more citizens are fleeying the uk as their sick of the state of it. The day a prisoner who was charged with terror gets to move prisons to "huntlys" sutton prison with playstations etc on the grounds of his other prison was too "white" is the day i realised we look after the wrong people to much. Please dont take that as me saying only treat whites etc because thats not my view at all. Simply saying people who help our counrty are welcome to it. People who simply get let in with the idea of draining the health care and benifits should not be.
Posted by: Jackie, York on 12:39pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Salvation, whatever happened to Moseley's Blackshirts? - confined to the dustbin of history - rejected by common sense and sent packing.
The BNP 'brownpants' have nothing whatsoever in common with the brave British Tommies that fought against fascism in WWII.
Salvation, whatever happened to Moseley's Blackshirts? - confined to the dustbin of history - rejected by common sense and sent packing.
The BNP 'brownpants' have nothing whatsoever in common with the brave British Tommies that fought against fascism in WWII.
Posted by: YorkIbiza, York on 12:41pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Do you think that if people in this country were being beaten, tortured and murdered those countries would be quick and as happy to help us? I think not.
European Law states that people fleeing there own countries in fear of there own well being should seek refuge in the first safe European Country they come into! Do France, Germany, Italy etc not come into this? They only come to England because they know they will get a free and easy ride at the cost of the English tax-payer.
And now they want to force there religious views down the throats of our children in Christian based schools! Dont think they would be too keen if we sent Preists into there local Muslim school and started preaching about how Jesus will love you if you love him.
A LibLabCon goverment has dragged this country down from what once used to be a powerfull proud nation, to a politically correct, soon-to-be Muslim state.
R.I.P Britain.
Do you think that if people in this country were being beaten, tortured and murdered those countries would be quick and as happy to help us? I think not.
European Law states that people fleeing there own countries in fear of there own well being should seek refuge in the first safe European Country they come into! Do France, Germany, Italy etc not come into this? They only come to England because they know they will get a free and easy ride at the cost of the English tax-payer.
And now they want to force there religious views down the throats of our children in Christian based schools! Dont think they would be too keen if we sent Preists into there local Muslim school and started preaching about how Jesus will love you if you love him.
A LibLabCon goverment has dragged this country down from what once used to be a powerfull proud nation, to a politically correct, soon-to-be Muslim state.
R.I.P Britain.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 12:42pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Monkey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]misskittie[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe that people still fall for the BNP rubbish!!! Wake up!! Saying "I do agree with some of their ideas" is the 21st century equivilent of saying "that third reich wasn't all bad, some of them were nice people". Have a word with yourself! [/quote] Go on then miss kitty do you believe its right for us to be slack on imigration laws allowing people into our country who just want to blow it up? Do you think its right that people who cant speak our language get medical treatment before the actual uk citizens? So yes i do agree with part of it! [/quote] bobby, look at some of the posts you've typed above before deriding people for not speaking our language- if that were a predeterminate for receiving NHS care, you'd be in trouble sunshine[/quote] Why? Are you stupid up there? I actually speak english very well. It might not look like it by my typing bu then again thats effected by being dyslexic.
Monkey wrote:
bobby dazzler wrote: misskittie wrote: I cannot believe that people still fall for the BNP rubbish!!! Wake up!! Saying "I do agree with some of their ideas" is the 21st century equivilent of saying "that third reich wasn't all bad, some of them were nice people". Have a word with yourself!
Go on then miss kitty do you believe its right for us to be slack on imigration laws allowing people into our country who just want to blow it up? Do you think its right that people who cant speak our language get medical treatment before the actual uk citizens? So yes i do agree with part of it!
bobby, look at some of the posts you've typed above before deriding people for not speaking our language- if that were a predeterminate for receiving NHS care, you'd be in trouble sunshine
Why? Are you stupid up there? I actually speak english very well. It might not look like it by my typing bu then again thats effected by being dyslexic.
Posted by: Monkey, Newcastle on 12:44pm Thu 27 Mar 08
it was a light hearted comment bobby, take a deep breath before you start calling people stupid
it was a light hearted comment bobby, take a deep breath before you start calling people stupid
Posted by: redp, Huntington on 12:48pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Good job your not in Hitlers Germany bobby dazzler, Dyslexia would have placed you in a very dangerous position.
Good job your not in Hitlers Germany bobby dazzler, Dyslexia would have placed you in a very dangerous position.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 12:50pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Monkey[/bold] wrote:
it was a light hearted comment bobby, take a deep breath before you start calling people stupid[/quote] Haha funnily enough i dont take stuff like that light heartedly. As i'm sure neither would you if we got onto the conversation of speaking the english language correctly. Wi ey man!
Monkey wrote:
it was a light hearted comment bobby, take a deep breath before you start calling people stupid
Haha funnily enough i dont take stuff like that light heartedly. As i'm sure neither would you if we got onto the conversation of speaking the english language correctly. Wi ey man!
Posted by: Monkey, Newcastle on 12:51pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Yorkibiza wrote:[/bold] They only come to England because they know they will get a free and easy ride at the cost of the English tax-payer.[/quote]
The majority of immigrants into this country come to work, not to leach off the state. Our laws state they're not allowed to work, something the vast majority of immigrants are not aware of before they come to Britain. So they end up living off the state, when they want to be and should be contributing- so that our home grown doleys can sit at home and watch Trisha
Yorkibiza wrote: They only come to England because they know they will get a free and easy ride at the cost of the English tax-payer.
The majority of immigrants into this country come to work, not to leach off the state. Our laws state they're not allowed to work, something the vast majority of immigrants are not aware of before they come to Britain. So they end up living off the state, when they want to be and should be contributing- so that our home grown doleys can sit at home and watch Trisha
Posted by: Jackie, York on 12:52pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Yep, bobby, someone with your condition would have been designated as someoneone who was mentally inferior, under fascism.
Check your history books to see what happened to these people
Yep, bobby, someone with your condition would have been designated as someoneone who was mentally inferior, under fascism.
Check your history books to see what happened to these people
Posted by: Elizabeth, york on 12:53pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]YorkIbiza[/bold] wrote:
Do you think that if people in this country were being beaten, tortured and murdered those countries would be quick and as happy to help us? I think not. European Law states that people fleeing there own countries in fear of there own well being should seek refuge in the first safe European Country they come into! Do France, Germany, Italy etc not come into this? They only come to England because they know they will get a free and easy ride at the cost of the English tax-payer. And now they want to force there religious views down the throats of our children in Christian based schools! Dont think they would be too keen if we sent Preists into there local Muslim school and started preaching about how Jesus will love you if you love him. A LibLabCon goverment has dragged this country down from what once used to be a powerfull proud nation, to a politically correct, soon-to-be Muslim state. R.I.P Britain.[/quote] Re you suggesting all muslims are asylum seekers or that all asylum seekers are muslim? Do some research!!
YorkIbiza wrote:
Do you think that if people in this country were being beaten, tortured and murdered those countries would be quick and as happy to help us? I think not. European Law states that people fleeing there own countries in fear of there own well being should seek refuge in the first safe European Country they come into! Do France, Germany, Italy etc not come into this? They only come to England because they know they will get a free and easy ride at the cost of the English tax-payer. And now they want to force there religious views down the throats of our children in Christian based schools! Dont think they would be too keen if we sent Preists into there local Muslim school and started preaching about how Jesus will love you if you love him. A LibLabCon goverment has dragged this country down from what once used to be a powerfull proud nation, to a politically correct, soon-to-be Muslim state. R.I.P Britain.
Re you suggesting all muslims are asylum seekers or that all asylum seekers are muslim? Do some research!!
Posted by: Elizabeth, york on 12:54pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]YorkIbiza[/bold] wrote:
Do you think that if people in this country were being beaten, tortured and murdered those countries would be quick and as happy to help us? I think not. European Law states that people fleeing there own countries in fear of there own well being should seek refuge in the first safe European Country they come into! Do France, Germany, Italy etc not come into this? They only come to England because they know they will get a free and easy ride at the cost of the English tax-payer. And now they want to force there religious views down the throats of our children in Christian based schools! Dont think they would be too keen if we sent Preists into there local Muslim school and started preaching about how Jesus will love you if you love him. A LibLabCon goverment has dragged this country down from what once used to be a powerfull proud nation, to a politically correct, soon-to-be Muslim state. R.I.P Britain.[/quote] Re you suggesting all muslims are asylum seekers or that all asylum seekers are muslim? Do some research!!
YorkIbiza wrote:
Do you think that if people in this country were being beaten, tortured and murdered those countries would be quick and as happy to help us? I think not. European Law states that people fleeing there own countries in fear of there own well being should seek refuge in the first safe European Country they come into! Do France, Germany, Italy etc not come into this? They only come to England because they know they will get a free and easy ride at the cost of the English tax-payer. And now they want to force there religious views down the throats of our children in Christian based schools! Dont think they would be too keen if we sent Preists into there local Muslim school and started preaching about how Jesus will love you if you love him. A LibLabCon goverment has dragged this country down from what once used to be a powerfull proud nation, to a politically correct, soon-to-be Muslim state. R.I.P Britain.
Re you suggesting all muslims are asylum seekers or that all asylum seekers are muslim? Do some research!!
Posted by: tony, york on 12:54pm Thu 27 Mar 08
In response to green arrow in wales who believes he can blog the BNP into power you mention a 38% local election result Not by any chance Upper beeding parish council? the equivelent to The vicar of Dibley parish council !!!!
regarding why Ian Dawson resigned resigned is not relevant Did the BNP leader Nick Griffin call him a nazi?? yet nick griffin denies the holocost and keeps comapny with ex Ku Klux klan members and leaders
In response to green arrow in wales who believes he can blog the BNP into power you mention a 38% local election result Not by any chance Upper beeding parish council? the equivelent to The vicar of Dibley parish council !!!!
regarding why Ian Dawson resigned resigned is not relevant Did the BNP leader Nick Griffin call him a nazi?? yet nick griffin denies the holocost and keeps comapny with ex Ku Klux klan members and leaders
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 12:56pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Jackie[/bold] wrote:
Yep, bobby, someone with your condition would have been designated as someoneone who was mentally inferior, under fascism. Check your history books to see what happened to these people[/quote] Ha why is everybody going on about a fascist state? It has nothing to do with current affairs.
Jackie wrote:
Yep, bobby, someone with your condition would have been designated as someoneone who was mentally inferior, under fascism. Check your history books to see what happened to these people
Ha why is everybody going on about a fascist state? It has nothing to do with current affairs.
Posted by: Monkey, Newcastle on 12:56pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Monkey[/bold] wrote: it was a light hearted comment bobby, take a deep breath before you start calling people stupid[/quote] Haha funnily enough i dont take stuff like that light heartedly. As i'm sure neither would you if we got onto the conversation of speaking the english language correctly. Wi ey man![/quote] My location doesn't betray my heritage bobby. I'm Yorkshire born and bred... until a couple of years ago that is. Hence the fact that I waste my work days on the YEP site as opposed to the local rag up here.
And really, it's hardly as if I was ripping you for being a dyslexic is it? I didn't know you were until you replied to my post.
bobby dazzler wrote:
Monkey wrote: it was a light hearted comment bobby, take a deep breath before you start calling people stupid
Haha funnily enough i dont take stuff like that light heartedly. As i'm sure neither would you if we got onto the conversation of speaking the english language correctly. Wi ey man!
My location doesn't betray my heritage bobby. I'm Yorkshire born and bred... until a couple of years ago that is. Hence the fact that I waste my work days on the YEP site as opposed to the local rag up here.
And really, it's hardly as if I was ripping you for being a dyslexic is it? I didn't know you were until you replied to my post.
Posted by: Tom, York on 12:57pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]Good job your not in Hitlers Germany bobby dazzler, Dyslexia would have placed you in a very dangerous position.[/quote]
Comment of the day. Last BNP manifesto of 2005 advocated every home being allowed one automatic rifle. Bonkers doesn't even start to describe them...
Good job your not in Hitlers Germany bobby dazzler, Dyslexia would have placed you in a very dangerous position.
Comment of the day. Last BNP manifesto of 2005 advocated every home being allowed one automatic rifle. Bonkers doesn't even start to describe them...
Posted by: Elizabeth, york on 12:57pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jackie[/bold] wrote: Yep, bobby, someone with your condition would have been designated as someoneone who was mentally inferior, under fascism. Check your history books to see what happened to these people[/quote] Ha why is everybody going on about a fascist state? It has nothing to do with current affairs. [/quote] I think because many view the BNP as fascists?! Keep up.
bobby dazzler wrote:
Jackie wrote: Yep, bobby, someone with your condition would have been designated as someoneone who was mentally inferior, under fascism. Check your history books to see what happened to these people
Ha why is everybody going on about a fascist state? It has nothing to do with current affairs.
I think because many view the BNP as fascists?! Keep up.
Posted by: YorkIbiza, York on 12:59pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Not suggesting either of that, what i am suggesting is if that they are forcing our children to learn the way of Islam in all schools then this proud Christian country will be turned into a largely Muslim one. When was the last time you heard of a church or a Cathedral (sp) being built? Mosques are going up all the time, they even want to remove Christmas as a national bank holiday! I suppose in your 'everyone is equal' world you would not oppose to that.
Not suggesting either of that, what i am suggesting is if that they are forcing our children to learn the way of Islam in all schools then this proud Christian country will be turned into a largely Muslim one. When was the last time you heard of a church or a Cathedral (sp) being built? Mosques are going up all the time, they even want to remove Christmas as a national bank holiday! I suppose in your 'everyone is equal' world you would not oppose to that.
Posted by: Elizabeth, york on 1:01pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]YorkIbiza[/bold] wrote:
I thought the majority of immigrants in this country are here because they are running away from, beatings torture and murder in there own country not to work? Funny how all gun crime and most stabbings are carried out by black an asian gangs! But hey thats ok, let more of them in, and all of there familys aswell![/quote] Don't confuse immigrants with asylum seekers.
As for the last statement: what about all the white murderers and rapists and thieves. Are they not as bad because they are white?
YorkIbiza wrote:
I thought the majority of immigrants in this country are here because they are running away from, beatings torture and murder in there own country not to work? Funny how all gun crime and most stabbings are carried out by black an asian gangs! But hey thats ok, let more of them in, and all of there familys aswell!
Don't confuse immigrants with asylum seekers.
As for the last statement: what about all the white murderers and rapists and thieves. Are they not as bad because they are white?
Posted by: Monkey, Newcastle on 1:01pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]YorkIbiza[/bold] wrote:
I thought the majority of immigrants in this country are here because they are running away from, beatings torture and murder in there own country not to work? Funny how all gun crime and most stabbings are carried out by black an asian gangs! But hey thats ok, let more of them in, and all of there familys aswell![/quote] It's not true that all gun crime is carried out by black and asian gangs, not true at all.
I don't think that I ever said all, or even the majority of immigration is because of fleeing from persecution. Sure, a lot of it is economic migration, but that shouldn't be a problem- if dealt with efficiently, it has the capacity to benefit rather than harm this Great country
YorkIbiza wrote:
I thought the majority of immigrants in this country are here because they are running away from, beatings torture and murder in there own country not to work? Funny how all gun crime and most stabbings are carried out by black an asian gangs! But hey thats ok, let more of them in, and all of there familys aswell!
It's not true that all gun crime is carried out by black and asian gangs, not true at all.
I don't think that I ever said all, or even the majority of immigration is because of fleeing from persecution. Sure, a lot of it is economic migration, but that shouldn't be a problem- if dealt with efficiently, it has the capacity to benefit rather than harm this Great country
Posted by: Fat Harry on 1:08pm Thu 27 Mar 08
The BNP are Nazi scum.
Posted by: YorkIbiza, York on 1:09pm Thu 27 Mar 08
It is not being dealt with efficently though is it? Thus being a major problem! Sorry when was the last time you heard a shooting carried out by a white (whether English or not)? If you lived in Birmingham, Manchester,Bristol or London you would hear weekly of shootings carried out by black or asian gangs, reason why its not on national news? Because its so common now days in these areas. And its only going to get worse under this Government.
Use your Vote wisely, vote BNP and stick up for the rights your ancestors thought the Nazis for only 65 years ago!
It is not being dealt with efficently though is it? Thus being a major problem! Sorry when was the last time you heard a shooting carried out by a white (whether English or not)? If you lived in Birmingham, Manchester,Bristol or London you would hear weekly of shootings carried out by black or asian gangs, reason why its not on national news? Because its so common now days in these areas. And its only going to get worse under this Government.
Use your Vote wisely, vote BNP and stick up for the rights your ancestors thought the Nazis for only 65 years ago!
Posted by: Jackie, York on 1:21pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]vote BNP and stick up for the rights your ancestors thought the Nazis for only 65 years ago![/quote]
OMG - the dumbest comment ever, on several different levels.
vote BNP and stick up for the rights your ancestors thought the Nazis for only 65 years ago!
OMG - the dumbest comment ever, on several different levels.
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 1:29pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Elizabeth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Jackie[/bold] wrote: Yep, bobby, someone with your condition would have been designated as someoneone who was mentally inferior, under fascism. Check your history books to see what happened to these people[/quote] Ha why is everybody going on about a fascist state? It has nothing to do with current affairs. [/quote] I think because many view the BNP as fascists?! Keep up.[/quote] Ha i thought they viewed them as racists?
Elizabeth wrote:
bobby dazzler wrote: Jackie wrote: Yep, bobby, someone with your condition would have been designated as someoneone who was mentally inferior, under fascism. Check your history books to see what happened to these people
Ha why is everybody going on about a fascist state? It has nothing to do with current affairs.
I think because many view the BNP as fascists?! Keep up.
Ha i thought they viewed them as racists?
Posted by: tony, york on 1:30pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Instead of scaremongering tactics perhaps we should stick to the facts. 3% of the UK population are Muslims 20 years ago 2.5% of the UK population were muslims.Stop believing BNP lies. This country does not need holocost denying racist fascists like the BNP that is why they have only 46 councillors out of a possible 22,300 The people of this great country have spoken NO BNP
Instead of scaremongering tactics perhaps we should stick to the facts. 3% of the UK population are Muslims 20 years ago 2.5% of the UK population were muslims.Stop believing BNP lies. This country does not need holocost denying racist fascists like the BNP that is why they have only 46 councillors out of a possible 22,300 The people of this great country have spoken NO BNP
Posted by: tony, york on 1:33pm Thu 27 Mar 08
YORKIBIZA
You are proving to be quite the racist are you not Your point about gun crime and blacks is disgusting.
tell me what colour skin had Ian Huntley ?Myra Hindley? Dr harold shipman? Adolf Hitler??
YORKIBIZA
You are proving to be quite the racist are you not Your point about gun crime and blacks is disgusting.
tell me what colour skin had Ian Huntley ?Myra Hindley? Dr harold shipman? Adolf Hitler??
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 1:38pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]tony[/bold] wrote:
YORKIBIZA You are proving to be quite the racist are you not Your point about gun crime and blacks is disgusting. tell me what colour skin had Ian Huntley ?Myra Hindley? Dr harold shipman? Adolf Hitler??[/quote] One of them had a gun and that was hitler. you cant compare the current gun crime by naming white serial killers. It even reached the news and have rappers roll deep on tv saying it had to stop.
tony wrote:
YORKIBIZA You are proving to be quite the racist are you not Your point about gun crime and blacks is disgusting. tell me what colour skin had Ian Huntley ?Myra Hindley? Dr harold shipman? Adolf Hitler??
One of them had a gun and that was hitler. you cant compare the current gun crime by naming white serial killers. It even reached the news and have rappers roll deep on tv saying it had to stop.
Posted by: Monkey, Newcastle on 1:43pm Thu 27 Mar 08
I thought that the gang member police are looking for in connection with the shooting of that Liverpudlian lad, is white, and English for that matter?
I thought that the gang member police are looking for in connection with the shooting of that Liverpudlian lad, is white, and English for that matter?
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 1:44pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Monkey[/bold] wrote:
I thought that the gang member police are looking for in connection with the shooting of that Liverpudlian lad, is white, and English for that matter? [/quote] They wouldn't know they havn't caught him. That and he wan't in the above list of non gun users who murdered.
Monkey wrote:
I thought that the gang member police are looking for in connection with the shooting of that Liverpudlian lad, is white, and English for that matter?
They wouldn't know they havn't caught him. That and he wan't in the above list of non gun users who murdered.
Posted by: Jackie, York on 1:47pm Thu 27 Mar 08
bobby, statistically, Asians are the least likely group to be involved in crime.
- lets have more Asians then, according to your logic surely ?
bobby, statistically, Asians are the least likely group to be involved in crime.
- lets have more Asians then, according to your logic surely ?
Posted by: bobby dazzler, york on 1:51pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Jackie[/bold] wrote:
bobby, statistically, Asians are the least likely group to be involved in crime. - lets have more Asians then, according to your logic surely ?[/quote] Ha i know a few who commit a lot of crime actually. They are just smart enough not to get caught. So Jackie what is my logic? as i was mearly pointing out that gun crime was on the news in the past as yes there was coloured people involved. Then tony though he would name some white serial killers which only one had a gun and he wasn't even from england?
Jackie wrote:
bobby, statistically, Asians are the least likely group to be involved in crime. - lets have more Asians then, according to your logic surely ?
Ha i know a few who commit a lot of crime actually. They are just smart enough not to get caught. So Jackie what is my logic? as i was mearly pointing out that gun crime was on the news in the past as yes there was coloured people involved. Then tony though he would name some white serial killers which only one had a gun and he wasn't even from england?
Posted by: Elizabeth, york on 1:52pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]YorkIbiza[/bold] wrote:
Not suggesting either of that, what i am suggesting is if that they are forcing our children to learn the way of Islam in all schools then this proud Christian country will be turned into a largely Muslim one. When was the last time you heard of a church or a Cathedral (sp) being built? Mosques are going up all the time, they even want to remove Christmas as a national bank holiday! I suppose in your 'everyone is equal' world you would not oppose to that.[/quote] Who are this 'they' you speak of? Are you generalising at all?
YorkIbiza wrote:
Not suggesting either of that, what i am suggesting is if that they are forcing our children to learn the way of Islam in all schools then this proud Christian country will be turned into a largely Muslim one. When was the last time you heard of a church or a Cathedral (sp) being built? Mosques are going up all the time, they even want to remove Christmas as a national bank holiday! I suppose in your 'everyone is equal' world you would not oppose to that.
Who are this 'they' you speak of? Are you generalising at all?
Posted by: tony, york on 1:55pm Thu 27 Mar 08
My point about was about murderers regardless of skin colour. Its amazing whenever the BNP are mentioned idiots start to consider themselves on crimewatch and spout untrue figures about ethnic crimes. Murder is murder regardless of skin colour.A black football player captained the English football team last night. that must have sickened the BNP racists
My point about was about murderers regardless of skin colour. Its amazing whenever the BNP are mentioned idiots start to consider themselves on crimewatch and spout untrue figures about ethnic crimes. Murder is murder regardless of skin colour.A black football player captained the English football team last night. that must have sickened the BNP racists
Posted by: tony, york on 1:56pm Thu 27 Mar 08
My point about was about murderers regardless of skin colour. Its amazing whenever the BNP are mentioned idiots start to consider themselves on crimewatch and spout untrue figures about ethnic crimes. Murder is murder regardless of skin colour.A black football player captained the English football team last night. that must have sickened the BNP racists
My point about was about murderers regardless of skin colour. Its amazing whenever the BNP are mentioned idiots start to consider themselves on crimewatch and spout untrue figures about ethnic crimes. Murder is murder regardless of skin colour.A black football player captained the English football team last night. that must have sickened the BNP racists
Posted by: Monkey, Newcastle on 1:57pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bobby dazzler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Monkey[/bold] wrote: I thought that the gang member police are looking for in connection with the shooting of that Liverpudlian lad, is white, and English for that matter? [/quote] They wouldn't know they havn't caught him. That and he wan't in the above list of non gun users who murdered.[/quote] That was in reply to YorkIbiza's claim that "all gun crime and most stabbings are carried out by black an [sic] asian gangs". And his question "Sorry when was the last time you heard a shooting carried out by a white (whether English or not)?"
Regardless of whether or not the police have arrested Rhys's killer, they are looking for a white teenager- which, considering everybody in the area knows who it is (it's just a question of needing more evidence) seems pretty clear cut.
You've made it clear above that you're not a racist bobby, so do yourself a favour and don't jump to the defence of someone who clearly is
bobby dazzler wrote:
Monkey wrote: I thought that the gang member police are looking for in connection with the shooting of that Liverpudlian lad, is white, and English for that matter?
They wouldn't know they havn't caught him. That and he wan't in the above list of non gun users who murdered.
That was in reply to YorkIbiza's claim that "all gun crime and most stabbings are carried out by black an asian gangs". And his question "Sorry when was the last time you heard a shooting carried out by a white (whether English or not)?"
Regardless of whether or not the police have arrested Rhys's killer, they are looking for a white teenager- which, considering everybody in the area knows who it is (it's just a question of needing more evidence) seems pretty clear cut.
You've made it clear above that you're not a racist bobby, so do yourself a favour and don't jump to the defence of someone who clearly is
Posted by: YorkIbiza, York on 1:58pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Immigrants off different religious backgrounds.
Immigrants off different religious backgrounds.
Posted by: tony, york on 2:00pm Thu 27 Mar 08
York Ibiza
will you please stop telling lies. Muslims do not want to ban Christmas That is another ludicrous lie Just like the Baa Baa black sheep nursery rhyme been politically incorrect myth . It never happened. why do resort to lies about 3% of the UK population to justify your hatred of skin colour. York has some great Indian restaurants Try them out. BTW did you know that the largest immigrant group in the UK is the Irish?? any objections there??
York Ibiza
will you please stop telling lies. Muslims do not want to ban Christmas That is another ludicrous lie Just like the Baa Baa black sheep nursery rhyme been politically incorrect myth . It never happened. why do resort to lies about 3% of the UK population to justify your hatred of skin colour. York has some great Indian restaurants Try them out. BTW did you know that the largest immigrant group in the UK is the Irish?? any objections there??
Posted by: YorkIbiza, York on 2:07pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Yes, because England,Scotland, Wales and Ireland should unite as one so they should and do not be classed as immigrants in my eyes.
Yes, because England,Scotland, Wales and Ireland should unite as one so they should and do not be classed as immigrants in my eyes.
Posted by: tony, york on 2:10pm Thu 27 Mar 08
York Ibiza
Did you know that the majority of Muslims in the UK were born in the UK?? are they still immigrants??
Is Rio Ferdinanad an immigrant?
Is Ashley Cole an immigrant?
York Ibiza
Did you know that the majority of Muslims in the UK were born in the UK?? are they still immigrants??
Is Rio Ferdinanad an immigrant?
Is Ashley Cole an immigrant?
Posted by: YorkIbiza, York on 2:11pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Just because they were born here doesn't make them British.
If a man were born in a stable it doesn't make him a horse!
Just because they were born here doesn't make them British.
If a man were born in a stable it doesn't make him a horse!
Posted by: tony, york on 2:13pm Thu 27 Mar 08
A typical BNP response
So what you are saying is the captain of the England football team Rio Ferdinand is not british? yet he was born here his parents were born here Tell me York ibiza what nationality is the England football captain then??
A typical BNP response
So what you are saying is the captain of the England football team Rio Ferdinand is not british? yet he was born here his parents were born here Tell me York ibiza what nationality is the England football captain then??
Posted by: Elizabeth, york on 2:16pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]YorkIbiza[/bold] wrote:
Just because they were born here doesn't make them British. If a man were born in a stable it doesn't make him a horse![/quote] Have you traced your ancestry? There is a likelihood that your distant relatives were not born on British soil.
YorkIbiza wrote:
Just because they were born here doesn't make them British. If a man were born in a stable it doesn't make him a horse!
Have you traced your ancestry? There is a likelihood that your distant relatives were not born on British soil.
Posted by: Ayork, York on 2:16pm Thu 27 Mar 08
My mother is what you would consider an immigrant, and I bet she has worked harder than most and contributed more to this country than many. can you see any problem with this?
My mother is what you would consider an immigrant, and I bet she has worked harder than most and contributed more to this country than many. can you see any problem with this?
Posted by: Monkey, Newcastle on 2:16pm Thu 27 Mar 08
a horse is a different species YorkIbiza. Not content with claiming all gun/knife crime is carried out by black and asian gangs, you're now claiming foreigners are a different species?
I'm beginning to think that you're just winding us all up on purpose- are you?
a horse is a different species YorkIbiza. Not content with claiming all gun/knife crime is carried out by black and asian gangs, you're now claiming foreigners are a different species?
I'm beginning to think that you're just winding us all up on purpose- are you?
Posted by: Elizabeth, york on 2:18pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Monkey[/bold] wrote:
a horse is a different species YorkIbiza. Not content with claiming all gun/knife crime is carried out by black and asian gangs, you're now claiming foreigners are a different species? I'm beginning to think that you're just winding us all up on purpose- are you?[/quote] Its a possiblilty but some people really are just that unintelligent and ignorant.
Monkey wrote:
a horse is a different species YorkIbiza. Not content with claiming all gun/knife crime is carried out by black and asian gangs, you're now claiming foreigners are a different species? I'm beginning to think that you're just winding us all up on purpose- are you?
Its a possiblilty but some people really are just that unintelligent and ignorant.
Posted by: tony, york on 2:19pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]YorkIbiza[/bold] wrote:
Just because they were born here doesn't make them British. If a man were born in a stable it doesn't make him a horse![/quote] So if someone is born in England, has an english passport, is educated in England, is reared in england plays for the England football team and even captains them he is not English because of his skin colour??
Now that is very odd indeed
YorkIbiza wrote:
Just because they were born here doesn't make them British. If a man were born in a stable it doesn't make him a horse!
So if someone is born in England, has an english passport, is educated in England, is reared in england plays for the England football team and even captains them he is not English because of his skin colour??
Now that is very odd indeed
Posted by: YorkIbiza, York on 2:21pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Not claiming there a different species, just used it as a metaphor.
And there is a difference between 2/3 generations of a family to god knows how many generations of my family and yours that have lived in this country.
Not claiming there a different species, just used it as a metaphor.
And there is a difference between 2/3 generations of a family to god knows how many generations of my family and yours that have lived in this country.
Posted by: Elizabeth, york on 2:23pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]YorkIbiza[/bold] wrote:
Not claiming there a different species, just used it as a metaphor. And there is a difference between 2/3 generations of a family to god knows how many generations of my family and yours that have lived in this country.[/quote] So were your family not TRULY British until so many generations had graced the country with their presence?
YorkIbiza wrote:
Not claiming there a different species, just used it as a metaphor. And there is a difference between 2/3 generations of a family to god knows how many generations of my family and yours that have lived in this country.
So were your family not TRULY British until so many generations had graced the country with their presence?
Posted by: franky, york on 2:23pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Great to read some sense in the comment from Miss Kittie, Elizabeth, Jackie and Monkey in this story!
The views of Bobby Dazzler, YorkIbiza and a few BNP types posting from out of town are being shown up for they are. Keep digging your own holes lads!
Great to read some sense in the comment from Miss Kittie, Elizabeth, Jackie and Monkey in this story!
The views of Bobby Dazzler, YorkIbiza and a few BNP types posting from out of town are being show
