Fresh row over Tour de France camping on Monk Stray

Monk Stray

Monk Stray

First published in Tour de France news

A FRESH row has blown up over plans to allow camping on an historic York stray during the Tour de France.

Liberal Democrat councillor Nigel Ayre claims council leaders are exploiting a “planning loophole”

from the 1960s to host camping on Monk Stray, as legislation from the 1960s allows the Caravan Club to organise camping without a planning application.

But City of York Council’s cabinet member for tourism, Cllr Sonja Crisp, accused him of trying to “mislead the public”.

Cllr Ayre’s comments came yesterday after the council announced it had struck a deal with the Caravan Club to operate city-centre sites for tents and caravans next to the Tour de France spectator hubs when the tour comes to York on July 6.

In the case of Monk Stray a council spokesman said there will be a one-day spectator hub on July 6 at the southernmost tip of the stray and camping at the northern part for several days.

The council originally wanted permission to use the stray for “family events” on up to 14 days a year, leading to strong opposition from locals.

The council’s own licensing panel said in March that the tour hub can go ahead but refused a licence for anything else.

Cllr Ayre, who represents Heworth Without, said: “It is concerning that the views of local residents seem to be being ignored.”

He also said the council was building a new gate as residents had refused to allow another one to be used, and added: “It does appear that step-by-step the council is trying to dismantle the decisions taken by its own licensing committee in March.”

Cllr Crisp, said March’s decision related to holding events such as films, live music and the sale of alcohol.

She said: “The use of a different part of the site under the management of the Caravan Club was not part of the licensing decision as it does not require a licence.”

He said Coun Ayre was giving “misleading information” to suit his political aims.

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10:15am Fri 16 May 14

petethefeet says...

Not sure about Monk Stray but certainly in would be illegal for the council to deny public access to the Knavesmire or Hob Moor. Anyone know?
Not sure about Monk Stray but certainly in would be illegal for the council to deny public access to the Knavesmire or Hob Moor. Anyone know? petethefeet
  • Score: 8

10:28am Fri 16 May 14

The Great Buda says...

Yay something great is coming to York! Lets poor cold water over it and ruin it! Lets show the world how backward we are!

Only in York.....
Yay something great is coming to York! Lets poor cold water over it and ruin it! Lets show the world how backward we are! Only in York..... The Great Buda
  • Score: 28

11:10am Fri 16 May 14

Pedro says...

It is only one flaming day of a lifetime. Get a grip.
It is only one flaming day of a lifetime. Get a grip. Pedro
  • Score: 36

11:27am Fri 16 May 14

m dee says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Yay something great is coming to York! Lets poor cold water over it and ruin it! Lets show the world how backward we are!

Only in York.....
The Tour de France is coming regardless of who camps on the stray,sounds more like a group of people trying to exploit every avenue to boost finance without a thought of the residents of York .
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Yay something great is coming to York! Lets poor cold water over it and ruin it! Lets show the world how backward we are! Only in York.....[/p][/quote]The Tour de France is coming regardless of who camps on the stray,sounds more like a group of people trying to exploit every avenue to boost finance without a thought of the residents of York . m dee
  • Score: -11

11:31am Fri 16 May 14

the original Homer says...

Hundreds of organisations have exemption from planning permission which allows them to operate camping and caravanning "sites" on a temporary basis.
That's not a loophole, it's there because camping and caravanning existed before planning permission existed.
The organisations still have to have the landowners permission, but they don't need planning permission.
What they do have though are obligations in their code of conduct and constitution. This effectively passes them the responsibility that would normally rest with a planning committee. They should consider the same things a planning committee would consider, i.e. they should consider the impact of their activities, in particular with regards to noise, road congestion and units overlooking local properties.
So, the same responsibilities are there, but it's not the Planning Committee which makes the decision.
On the grounds that the Council backed down due to residents objections, it may be worth raising another objection directly with the organising club's HQ.
Incidentally, the planning authority can still block these events if they choose to, and the caravan clubs are all bound by that block.
Hundreds of organisations have exemption from planning permission which allows them to operate camping and caravanning "sites" on a temporary basis. That's not a loophole, it's there because camping and caravanning existed before planning permission existed. The organisations still have to have the landowners permission, but they don't need planning permission. What they do have though are obligations in their code of conduct and constitution. This effectively passes them the responsibility that would normally rest with a planning committee. They should consider the same things a planning committee would consider, i.e. they should consider the impact of their activities, in particular with regards to noise, road congestion and units overlooking local properties. So, the same responsibilities are there, but it's not the Planning Committee which makes the decision. On the grounds that the Council backed down due to residents objections, it may be worth raising another objection directly with the organising club's HQ. Incidentally, the planning authority can still block these events if they choose to, and the caravan clubs are all bound by that block. the original Homer
  • Score: 14

11:43am Fri 16 May 14

yorkandproud says...

NIMBY. We're from Stockton Lane you know.
NIMBY. We're from Stockton Lane you know. yorkandproud
  • Score: 19

12:38pm Fri 16 May 14

calmdownyork says...

m dee wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Yay something great is coming to York! Lets poor cold water over it and ruin it! Lets show the world how backward we are!

Only in York.....
The Tour de France is coming regardless of who camps on the stray,sounds more like a group of people trying to exploit every avenue to boost finance without a thought of the residents of York .
What a silly comment. Of course City of York Council are trying to boost the income from the event. It is to reduce the cost to York residents of running the event.

Plus....the camping is miles away from any residents! It's up Malton Road near the new John Lewis...nowhere near any Heworth properties!

Up until a couple of weeks ago the field concerned was full of cute baby lambs. The stray commonly used by the public is NOT going to be a campsite. It's just a farmers field.

The Tour de France is a major world-class sporting event and will put York on the map to millions across the globe. It's value to the tourism industry and jobs is huge.

Are some people pitching up a few caravans in a field nearly two miles down the road really such a big problem?

Get your facts straight and stop whipping up fear amongst the electorate.
[quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Yay something great is coming to York! Lets poor cold water over it and ruin it! Lets show the world how backward we are! Only in York.....[/p][/quote]The Tour de France is coming regardless of who camps on the stray,sounds more like a group of people trying to exploit every avenue to boost finance without a thought of the residents of York .[/p][/quote]What a silly comment. Of course City of York Council are trying to boost the income from the event. It is to reduce the cost to York residents of running the event. Plus....the camping is miles away from any residents! It's up Malton Road near the new John Lewis...nowhere near any Heworth properties! Up until a couple of weeks ago the field concerned was full of cute baby lambs. The stray commonly used by the public is NOT going to be a campsite. It's just a farmers field. The Tour de France is a major world-class sporting event and will put York on the map to millions across the globe. It's value to the tourism industry and jobs is huge. Are some people pitching up a few caravans in a field nearly two miles down the road really such a big problem? Get your facts straight and stop whipping up fear amongst the electorate. calmdownyork
  • Score: 39

1:07pm Fri 16 May 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Can the press please publish a map/location of exactly where this proposed camp/caravan/festiva
l site is, as there seems a fair amount of confusion, Monk Stray or a field on Malton Road . If its Monk Stray (the grassed area between Mation Rd , Stockton Lane, Elmfield Avenue) of further out at the (Monl Cross roundabout).. which is it.
Can the press please publish a map/location of exactly where this proposed camp/caravan/festiva l site is, as there seems a fair amount of confusion, Monk Stray or a field on Malton Road . If its Monk Stray (the grassed area between Mation Rd , Stockton Lane, Elmfield Avenue) of further out at the (Monl Cross roundabout).. which is it. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 12

1:18pm Fri 16 May 14

petethefeet says...

I wouldn't mind but 'anything but the caravan club'. They consume loads of fossil fuel and put very little into the local economy. Their barbecue food is usually brought with them. Then they point their sat dishes towards the alpha satellites so they can still pick up East Enders and the rest of their boring lives that they've relocated.
I wouldn't mind but 'anything but the caravan club'. They consume loads of fossil fuel and put very little into the local economy. Their barbecue food is usually brought with them. Then they point their sat dishes towards the alpha satellites so they can still pick up East Enders and the rest of their boring lives that they've relocated. petethefeet
  • Score: 17

1:47pm Fri 16 May 14

m dee says...

calmdownyork wrote:
m dee wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Yay something great is coming to York! Lets poor cold water over it and ruin it! Lets show the world how backward we are!

Only in York.....
The Tour de France is coming regardless of who camps on the stray,sounds more like a group of people trying to exploit every avenue to boost finance without a thought of the residents of York .
What a silly comment. Of course City of York Council are trying to boost the income from the event. It is to reduce the cost to York residents of running the event.

Plus....the camping is miles away from any residents! It's up Malton Road near the new John Lewis...nowhere near any Heworth properties!

Up until a couple of weeks ago the field concerned was full of cute baby lambs. The stray commonly used by the public is NOT going to be a campsite. It's just a farmers field.

The Tour de France is a major world-class sporting event and will put York on the map to millions across the globe. It's value to the tourism industry and jobs is huge.

Are some people pitching up a few caravans in a field nearly two miles down the road really such a big problem?

Get your facts straight and stop whipping up fear amongst the electorate.
Thanks for putting me right on that,so its actually in fields a couple of miles away out at Monks Cross not the one pictured near Heworth where the houses are as that was what I had based my comment on silly me,pleased its coming here anyway.
[quote][p][bold]calmdownyork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Yay something great is coming to York! Lets poor cold water over it and ruin it! Lets show the world how backward we are! Only in York.....[/p][/quote]The Tour de France is coming regardless of who camps on the stray,sounds more like a group of people trying to exploit every avenue to boost finance without a thought of the residents of York .[/p][/quote]What a silly comment. Of course City of York Council are trying to boost the income from the event. It is to reduce the cost to York residents of running the event. Plus....the camping is miles away from any residents! It's up Malton Road near the new John Lewis...nowhere near any Heworth properties! Up until a couple of weeks ago the field concerned was full of cute baby lambs. The stray commonly used by the public is NOT going to be a campsite. It's just a farmers field. The Tour de France is a major world-class sporting event and will put York on the map to millions across the globe. It's value to the tourism industry and jobs is huge. Are some people pitching up a few caravans in a field nearly two miles down the road really such a big problem? Get your facts straight and stop whipping up fear amongst the electorate.[/p][/quote]Thanks for putting me right on that,so its actually in fields a couple of miles away out at Monks Cross not the one pictured near Heworth where the houses are as that was what I had based my comment on silly me,pleased its coming here anyway. m dee
  • Score: 17

2:05pm Fri 16 May 14

Bailed Out says...

It would appear a map would be more help than a picture of the wrong location.
It would appear a map would be more help than a picture of the wrong location. Bailed Out
  • Score: 16

2:27pm Fri 16 May 14

Stocktonlane_Terrier says...

http://planningacces
s.york.gov.uk/online
-applications/files/
0B2C48D8544818E93574
AA1DE6078B4A/pdf/14_
01018_FUL--1511843.p
df

this is the link to the planning application for the new gate. This should at least provide some factual information about part of the issue. I did find it strange that under the section regarding flooding it states the area is not prone to flooding though. The information references the environment agency flood map zone but as many residents of the this area will tell you the area does flood quite a lot due to the legacy of the old brickworks.
http://planningacces s.york.gov.uk/online -applications/files/ 0B2C48D8544818E93574 AA1DE6078B4A/pdf/14_ 01018_FUL--1511843.p df this is the link to the planning application for the new gate. This should at least provide some factual information about part of the issue. I did find it strange that under the section regarding flooding it states the area is not prone to flooding though. The information references the environment agency flood map zone but as many residents of the this area will tell you the area does flood quite a lot due to the legacy of the old brickworks. Stocktonlane_Terrier
  • Score: 8

2:34pm Fri 16 May 14

Stocktonlane_Terrier says...

For the record as a resident of the area I welcome the tour and am looking forward to it. Work has been ongoing on this part of the stray for months and as yet there has been no major disruption and I don't see it having a major negative impact on anything other than traffic for the days around the event itself. I'm just going to stay home have a bbq and some beers and watch all the excitement.
For the record as a resident of the area I welcome the tour and am looking forward to it. Work has been ongoing on this part of the stray for months and as yet there has been no major disruption and I don't see it having a major negative impact on anything other than traffic for the days around the event itself. I'm just going to stay home have a bbq and some beers and watch all the excitement. Stocktonlane_Terrier
  • Score: 9

4:28pm Fri 16 May 14

mamaanne says...

The site is just 2 minutes walk from to the Monks Cross and Vangarde Shopping Centres, Park & Ride route and a 40 minute walk to the City Centre.

http://letour.york.g
ov.uk/camping_hub1.p
hp

Poor reporting.
The site is just 2 minutes walk from to the Monks Cross and Vangarde Shopping Centres, Park & Ride route and a 40 minute walk to the City Centre. http://letour.york.g ov.uk/camping_hub1.p hp Poor reporting. mamaanne
  • Score: 9

4:35pm Fri 16 May 14

Stocktonlane_Terrier says...

http://planningacces
s.york.gov.uk/online
-applications/files/
8CFFAC9DFDF7BDC7DBDF
5910F269CCA5/pdf/14_
01018_FUL--1511844.p
df

This is the plan, as you can see, as mamaanne points out, it is not the area suggested by the photo at the top of the article
http://planningacces s.york.gov.uk/online -applications/files/ 8CFFAC9DFDF7BDC7DBDF 5910F269CCA5/pdf/14_ 01018_FUL--1511844.p df This is the plan, as you can see, as mamaanne points out, it is not the area suggested by the photo at the top of the article Stocktonlane_Terrier
  • Score: 6

6:40pm Fri 16 May 14

calmdownyork says...

m dee wrote:
calmdownyork wrote:
m dee wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Yay something great is coming to York! Lets poor cold water over it and ruin it! Lets show the world how backward we are!

Only in York.....
The Tour de France is coming regardless of who camps on the stray,sounds more like a group of people trying to exploit every avenue to boost finance without a thought of the residents of York .
What a silly comment. Of course City of York Council are trying to boost the income from the event. It is to reduce the cost to York residents of running the event.

Plus....the camping is miles away from any residents! It's up Malton Road near the new John Lewis...nowhere near any Heworth properties!

Up until a couple of weeks ago the field concerned was full of cute baby lambs. The stray commonly used by the public is NOT going to be a campsite. It's just a farmers field.

The Tour de France is a major world-class sporting event and will put York on the map to millions across the globe. It's value to the tourism industry and jobs is huge.

Are some people pitching up a few caravans in a field nearly two miles down the road really such a big problem?

Get your facts straight and stop whipping up fear amongst the electorate.
Thanks for putting me right on that,so its actually in fields a couple of miles away out at Monks Cross not the one pictured near Heworth where the houses are as that was what I had based my comment on silly me,pleased its coming here anyway.
No problem. The misinformation has been going around for far too long. Glastonbury is not coming to Heworth.
[quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calmdownyork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Yay something great is coming to York! Lets poor cold water over it and ruin it! Lets show the world how backward we are! Only in York.....[/p][/quote]The Tour de France is coming regardless of who camps on the stray,sounds more like a group of people trying to exploit every avenue to boost finance without a thought of the residents of York .[/p][/quote]What a silly comment. Of course City of York Council are trying to boost the income from the event. It is to reduce the cost to York residents of running the event. Plus....the camping is miles away from any residents! It's up Malton Road near the new John Lewis...nowhere near any Heworth properties! Up until a couple of weeks ago the field concerned was full of cute baby lambs. The stray commonly used by the public is NOT going to be a campsite. It's just a farmers field. The Tour de France is a major world-class sporting event and will put York on the map to millions across the globe. It's value to the tourism industry and jobs is huge. Are some people pitching up a few caravans in a field nearly two miles down the road really such a big problem? Get your facts straight and stop whipping up fear amongst the electorate.[/p][/quote]Thanks for putting me right on that,so its actually in fields a couple of miles away out at Monks Cross not the one pictured near Heworth where the houses are as that was what I had based my comment on silly me,pleased its coming here anyway.[/p][/quote]No problem. The misinformation has been going around for far too long. Glastonbury is not coming to Heworth. calmdownyork
  • Score: 18

7:40pm Fri 16 May 14

Johnboy1946 says...

petethefeet wrote:
I wouldn't mind but 'anything but the caravan club'. They consume loads of fossil fuel and put very little into the local economy. Their barbecue food is usually brought with them. Then they point their sat dishes towards the alpha satellites so they can still pick up East Enders and the rest of their boring lives that they've relocated.
As a member of the Caravan Club I resent your comment. If the Caravan Club are opening a temporary site then they will have had to pay for the privilege. Normally any food that we consume is bought locally. I am not sure what you mean by consuming fossil fuel???. I admit that most members of the Club do have tv sets in their caravans, but unless there is electric hook up they will not be able to use them.
Myself, I will be away in my caravan, well away from York for the duration of this cycle race. I will get out of the City well before all the roads are closed and enjoy a peaceful break. As far as I am concerned the name of the race is Tour de France....France being the operative word. It is costing far more to stage than it will ever bring to the local economy and should stay in France
[quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't mind but 'anything but the caravan club'. They consume loads of fossil fuel and put very little into the local economy. Their barbecue food is usually brought with them. Then they point their sat dishes towards the alpha satellites so they can still pick up East Enders and the rest of their boring lives that they've relocated.[/p][/quote]As a member of the Caravan Club I resent your comment. If the Caravan Club are opening a temporary site then they will have had to pay for the privilege. Normally any food that we consume is bought locally. I am not sure what you mean by consuming fossil fuel???. I admit that most members of the Club do have tv sets in their caravans, but unless there is electric hook up they will not be able to use them. Myself, I will be away in my caravan, well away from York for the duration of this cycle race. I will get out of the City well before all the roads are closed and enjoy a peaceful break. As far as I am concerned the name of the race is Tour de France....France being the operative word. It is costing far more to stage than it will ever bring to the local economy and should stay in France Johnboy1946
  • Score: 0

8:10pm Fri 16 May 14

petethefeet says...

Johnboy1946 wrote:
petethefeet wrote:
I wouldn't mind but 'anything but the caravan club'. They consume loads of fossil fuel and put very little into the local economy. Their barbecue food is usually brought with them. Then they point their sat dishes towards the alpha satellites so they can still pick up East Enders and the rest of their boring lives that they've relocated.
As a member of the Caravan Club I resent your comment. If the Caravan Club are opening a temporary site then they will have had to pay for the privilege. Normally any food that we consume is bought locally. I am not sure what you mean by consuming fossil fuel???. I admit that most members of the Club do have tv sets in their caravans, but unless there is electric hook up they will not be able to use them.
Myself, I will be away in my caravan, well away from York for the duration of this cycle race. I will get out of the City well before all the roads are closed and enjoy a peaceful break. As far as I am concerned the name of the race is Tour de France....France being the operative word. It is costing far more to stage than it will ever bring to the local economy and should stay in France
......and perhaps the caravan club could go with them?
[quote][p][bold]Johnboy1946[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't mind but 'anything but the caravan club'. They consume loads of fossil fuel and put very little into the local economy. Their barbecue food is usually brought with them. Then they point their sat dishes towards the alpha satellites so they can still pick up East Enders and the rest of their boring lives that they've relocated.[/p][/quote]As a member of the Caravan Club I resent your comment. If the Caravan Club are opening a temporary site then they will have had to pay for the privilege. Normally any food that we consume is bought locally. I am not sure what you mean by consuming fossil fuel???. I admit that most members of the Club do have tv sets in their caravans, but unless there is electric hook up they will not be able to use them. Myself, I will be away in my caravan, well away from York for the duration of this cycle race. I will get out of the City well before all the roads are closed and enjoy a peaceful break. As far as I am concerned the name of the race is Tour de France....France being the operative word. It is costing far more to stage than it will ever bring to the local economy and should stay in France[/p][/quote]......and perhaps the caravan club could go with them? petethefeet
  • Score: -5

8:20pm Fri 16 May 14

Johnboy1946 says...

petethefeet wrote:
Johnboy1946 wrote:
petethefeet wrote:
I wouldn't mind but 'anything but the caravan club'. They consume loads of fossil fuel and put very little into the local economy. Their barbecue food is usually brought with them. Then they point their sat dishes towards the alpha satellites so they can still pick up East Enders and the rest of their boring lives that they've relocated.
As a member of the Caravan Club I resent your comment. If the Caravan Club are opening a temporary site then they will have had to pay for the privilege. Normally any food that we consume is bought locally. I am not sure what you mean by consuming fossil fuel???. I admit that most members of the Club do have tv sets in their caravans, but unless there is electric hook up they will not be able to use them.
Myself, I will be away in my caravan, well away from York for the duration of this cycle race. I will get out of the City well before all the roads are closed and enjoy a peaceful break. As far as I am concerned the name of the race is Tour de France....France being the operative word. It is costing far more to stage than it will ever bring to the local economy and should stay in France
......and perhaps the caravan club could go with them?
I take it you are not a lover of caravans
[quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Johnboy1946[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't mind but 'anything but the caravan club'. They consume loads of fossil fuel and put very little into the local economy. Their barbecue food is usually brought with them. Then they point their sat dishes towards the alpha satellites so they can still pick up East Enders and the rest of their boring lives that they've relocated.[/p][/quote]As a member of the Caravan Club I resent your comment. If the Caravan Club are opening a temporary site then they will have had to pay for the privilege. Normally any food that we consume is bought locally. I am not sure what you mean by consuming fossil fuel???. I admit that most members of the Club do have tv sets in their caravans, but unless there is electric hook up they will not be able to use them. Myself, I will be away in my caravan, well away from York for the duration of this cycle race. I will get out of the City well before all the roads are closed and enjoy a peaceful break. As far as I am concerned the name of the race is Tour de France....France being the operative word. It is costing far more to stage than it will ever bring to the local economy and should stay in France[/p][/quote]......and perhaps the caravan club could go with them?[/p][/quote]I take it you are not a lover of caravans Johnboy1946
  • Score: 8

8:22pm Fri 16 May 14

aitch11 says...

ffs its one day.theres some grumpy moaning t***s on here.If you don't like it or have no interest.Bugger off to Brid or Scarborough for the day!!!!
ffs its one day.theres some grumpy moaning t***s on here.If you don't like it or have no interest.Bugger off to Brid or Scarborough for the day!!!! aitch11
  • Score: 5

8:31pm Fri 16 May 14

piaggio1 says...

petethefeet wrote:
I wouldn't mind but 'anything but the caravan club'. They consume loads of fossil fuel and put very little into the local economy. Their barbecue food is usually brought with them. Then they point their sat dishes towards the alpha satellites so they can still pick up East Enders and the rest of their boring lives that they've relocated.
Thats one of the best description I have heard for wannabe gypsies.
Mint.got stuck behind one today going back road into stammy bridge.why do they do it? Horrible things .should be taxed heavily.
[quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't mind but 'anything but the caravan club'. They consume loads of fossil fuel and put very little into the local economy. Their barbecue food is usually brought with them. Then they point their sat dishes towards the alpha satellites so they can still pick up East Enders and the rest of their boring lives that they've relocated.[/p][/quote]Thats one of the best description I have heard for wannabe gypsies. Mint.got stuck behind one today going back road into stammy bridge.why do they do it? Horrible things .should be taxed heavily. piaggio1
  • Score: -4

8:49pm Fri 16 May 14

petethefeet says...

@johnboy1946. Not bothered really. These days people tend to pull them with decently powered cars and if it keeps you happy then I'm happy. I merely quote my observations and feelings. I'll add that the CC seem to get their wardens trained by the SS. I suspect they designed the uniforms too. And have you seen the list of rules? Longer than the total works of Tolstoi.
@johnboy1946. Not bothered really. These days people tend to pull them with decently powered cars and if it keeps you happy then I'm happy. I merely quote my observations and feelings. I'll add that the CC seem to get their wardens trained by the SS. I suspect they designed the uniforms too. And have you seen the list of rules? Longer than the total works of Tolstoi. petethefeet
  • Score: -3

10:16pm Fri 16 May 14

tizme says...

Well, as a member of the Caravan and Camping Club, which is not dissimilar to the Caravan Club, and also being a resident in the near vicinity of the proposed TEMPORARY site I feel I have to say that I welcome the CC to York. I also welcome 'people' like you,petethefeet, as long as you spend your money. You are so short sighted pete that I am surprised you can see the keyboard well enough to type. This is a short term event which will bring money to York. When I go away in my campervan I buy fuel from the local garage, food from the local store and use the local facilities ie museums, department stores etc etc. This brings economy to the local area and helps to keep costs down for the residents. Now, could you enlighten us as to what you do for your recreational time... just so we can criticise you. And perhaps you could also suggest some ways to bring much needed tourism to York. Be aware that foreign tourists arrive on aeroplanes, and need to use taxis, buses etc using fossil fuels (so they must be out of the equation then?). Perhaps you'd like to suggest your ideas on the back of a postage stamp... (small mind) .
Well, as a member of the Caravan and Camping Club, which is not dissimilar to the Caravan Club, and also being a resident in the near vicinity of the proposed TEMPORARY site I feel I have to say that I welcome the CC to York. I also welcome 'people' like you,petethefeet, as long as you spend your money. You are so short sighted pete that I am surprised you can see the keyboard well enough to type. This is a short term event which will bring money to York. When I go away in my campervan I buy fuel from the local garage, food from the local store and use the local facilities ie museums, department stores etc etc. This brings economy to the local area and helps to keep costs down for the residents. Now, could you enlighten us as to what you do for your recreational time... just so we can criticise you. And perhaps you could also suggest some ways to bring much needed tourism to York. Be aware that foreign tourists arrive on aeroplanes, and need to use taxis, buses etc using fossil fuels (so they must be out of the equation then?). Perhaps you'd like to suggest your ideas on the back of a postage stamp... (small mind) . tizme
  • Score: 4

10:36pm Fri 16 May 14

petethefeet says...

tizme wrote:
Well, as a member of the Caravan and Camping Club, which is not dissimilar to the Caravan Club, and also being a resident in the near vicinity of the proposed TEMPORARY site I feel I have to say that I welcome the CC to York. I also welcome 'people' like you,petethefeet, as long as you spend your money. You are so short sighted pete that I am surprised you can see the keyboard well enough to type. This is a short term event which will bring money to York. When I go away in my campervan I buy fuel from the local garage, food from the local store and use the local facilities ie museums, department stores etc etc. This brings economy to the local area and helps to keep costs down for the residents. Now, could you enlighten us as to what you do for your recreational time... just so we can criticise you. And perhaps you could also suggest some ways to bring much needed tourism to York. Be aware that foreign tourists arrive on aeroplanes, and need to use taxis, buses etc using fossil fuels (so they must be out of the equation then?). Perhaps you'd like to suggest your ideas on the back of a postage stamp... (small mind) .
Personally, I believe those delivering personal and abusive insults are the ones that have lost the plot and are devoid of ideas. However, I can live with your shortcomings. To answer your question, I do regularly go camping but I've learned to avoid caravan & camping club sites. I'm away tomorrow to Scotland and, rather than watching EastEnders, I will be walking the Bens & Glens. OK, this time we won't be putting that much into the local economy but that wasn't the case in February when my lady and I was there walking and staying in a hotel. Anyway, don't mind me. You just hitch up your hutch and pootle your way up there. I'm sure you'll still manage to get your dish to find 19 degrees East.
[quote][p][bold]tizme[/bold] wrote: Well, as a member of the Caravan and Camping Club, which is not dissimilar to the Caravan Club, and also being a resident in the near vicinity of the proposed TEMPORARY site I feel I have to say that I welcome the CC to York. I also welcome 'people' like you,petethefeet, as long as you spend your money. You are so short sighted pete that I am surprised you can see the keyboard well enough to type. This is a short term event which will bring money to York. When I go away in my campervan I buy fuel from the local garage, food from the local store and use the local facilities ie museums, department stores etc etc. This brings economy to the local area and helps to keep costs down for the residents. Now, could you enlighten us as to what you do for your recreational time... just so we can criticise you. And perhaps you could also suggest some ways to bring much needed tourism to York. Be aware that foreign tourists arrive on aeroplanes, and need to use taxis, buses etc using fossil fuels (so they must be out of the equation then?). Perhaps you'd like to suggest your ideas on the back of a postage stamp... (small mind) .[/p][/quote]Personally, I believe those delivering personal and abusive insults are the ones that have lost the plot and are devoid of ideas. However, I can live with your shortcomings. To answer your question, I do regularly go camping but I've learned to avoid caravan & camping club sites. I'm away tomorrow to Scotland and, rather than watching EastEnders, I will be walking the Bens & Glens. OK, this time we won't be putting that much into the local economy but that wasn't the case in February when my lady and I was there walking and staying in a hotel. Anyway, don't mind me. You just hitch up your hutch and pootle your way up there. I'm sure you'll still manage to get your dish to find 19 degrees East. petethefeet
  • Score: -1

11:57pm Fri 16 May 14

wallman says...

pete thefeet I hope I see you running 1 day I wont stop when u want to cross the road you want to start thinking about other folks who have to live with your stupid attitude
pete thefeet I hope I see you running 1 day I wont stop when u want to cross the road you want to start thinking about other folks who have to live with your stupid attitude wallman
  • Score: -3

6:03am Sat 17 May 14

petethefeet says...

wallman wrote:
pete thefeet I hope I see you running 1 day I wont stop when u want to cross the road you want to start thinking about other folks who have to live with your stupid attitude
Another nerve struck! Me thinks I must be on the right lines.
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: pete thefeet I hope I see you running 1 day I wont stop when u want to cross the road you want to start thinking about other folks who have to live with your stupid attitude[/p][/quote]Another nerve struck! Me thinks I must be on the right lines. petethefeet
  • Score: 3

7:20am Sat 17 May 14

Johnboy1946 says...

petethefeet wrote:
@johnboy1946. Not bothered really. These days people tend to pull them with decently powered cars and if it keeps you happy then I'm happy. I merely quote my observations and feelings. I'll add that the CC seem to get their wardens trained by the SS. I suspect they designed the uniforms too. And have you seen the list of rules? Longer than the total works of Tolstoi.
You also ridicule anyone who has different hobbies and pastimes to yourself which is wrong. The CC wardens are well trained, the uniforms are green and white and they keep their site to CC standards. A lot of the sites are open to none members, some of who think that they can treat the site as a commercial site and do exactly as they choose. The rules are laid down by the club and are there for a purpose. If you use a CC site as a non-member then you are expected to stick to the rules, we as members always do. If you don't like the rules then use a commercial site. As non-members you will pay £10 a night more than members anyway. I have seen it times many when non-members abuse the site and have been spoken to by the wardens, brings a smile to my face.
The temporary site off Malton Road is for Club members only so there will be no noise, no litter and a peaceful stay for the members that use it.
[quote][p][bold]petethefeet[/bold] wrote: @johnboy1946. Not bothered really. These days people tend to pull them with decently powered cars and if it keeps you happy then I'm happy. I merely quote my observations and feelings. I'll add that the CC seem to get their wardens trained by the SS. I suspect they designed the uniforms too. And have you seen the list of rules? Longer than the total works of Tolstoi.[/p][/quote]You also ridicule anyone who has different hobbies and pastimes to yourself which is wrong. The CC wardens are well trained, the uniforms are green and white and they keep their site to CC standards. A lot of the sites are open to none members, some of who think that they can treat the site as a commercial site and do exactly as they choose. The rules are laid down by the club and are there for a purpose. If you use a CC site as a non-member then you are expected to stick to the rules, we as members always do. If you don't like the rules then use a commercial site. As non-members you will pay £10 a night more than members anyway. I have seen it times many when non-members abuse the site and have been spoken to by the wardens, brings a smile to my face. The temporary site off Malton Road is for Club members only so there will be no noise, no litter and a peaceful stay for the members that use it. Johnboy1946
  • Score: 2

7:45am Sat 17 May 14

farmerpalmer says...

Councillor Ayre, get a grip, remember that the council ARE listening to the locals - they dramtically cut the planning application a few weeks ago??

Short term memory i think, or are you promoting your own, yes just your own, agenda!

i dont normally support this pathetic waste of money council, but on this one, they actually have listened!
Councillor Ayre, get a grip, remember that the council ARE listening to the locals - they dramtically cut the planning application a few weeks ago?? Short term memory i think, or are you promoting your own, yes just your own, agenda! i dont normally support this pathetic waste of money council, but on this one, they actually have listened! farmerpalmer
  • Score: 4

10:29am Sat 17 May 14

yorkshirelad says...

Part of living in York has long been welcoming various events and festivals...simply part and parcel of living in a great city. Out here in the real world there's quite a buzz from us getting the chance to do this - likely to be a once-in-a-lifetime time event for most of us. Sure we all want peace, quiet and order for most of the time, but is it really beyond us to tolerate these occasional events?
Whether it's the Knavesmire races, the Viking Festival, a city centre cycle race, a food festival, a parade of local scouts/guides, a prestigious worldwide event like the Tour de France, I think we should welcome them all...or, at very least, if it's not our cup of tea...tolerate them without moaning. If we don't have them, another town or city will...and with enthusiasm.
Apart from being great events in their own right, it seems to me that towns and cities with a big visitor economy are increasing using festivals and events to gain both publicity and visitor-income.
Keep reminding yourselves that local newspaper forums and letters pages are not representative of the real folk of York. Virtually 100% of people I meet are really looking forward to nthe spectacle of the Tour de France rolling into town... bring it on!
Part of living in York has long been welcoming various events and festivals...simply part and parcel of living in a great city. Out here in the real world there's quite a buzz from us getting the chance to do this - likely to be a once-in-a-lifetime time event for most of us. Sure we all want peace, quiet and order for most of the time, but is it really beyond us to tolerate these occasional events? Whether it's the Knavesmire races, the Viking Festival, a city centre cycle race, a food festival, a parade of local scouts/guides, a prestigious worldwide event like the Tour de France, I think we should welcome them all...or, at very least, if it's not our cup of tea...tolerate them without moaning. If we don't have them, another town or city will...and with enthusiasm. Apart from being great events in their own right, it seems to me that towns and cities with a big visitor economy are increasing using festivals and events to gain both publicity and visitor-income. Keep reminding yourselves that local newspaper forums and letters pages are not representative of the real folk of York. Virtually 100% of people I meet are really looking forward to nthe spectacle of the Tour de France rolling into town... bring it on! yorkshirelad
  • Score: 5

8:18pm Sat 17 May 14

Exlabourmember says...

farmerpalmer wrote:
Councillor Ayre, get a grip, remember that the council ARE listening to the locals - they dramtically cut the planning application a few weeks ago??

Short term memory i think, or are you promoting your own, yes just your own, agenda!

i dont normally support this pathetic waste of money council, but on this one, they actually have listened!
The proposed site is directly opposite an existing site which was refused planning permission to increase in size because of dangerous access to the site from the main road. The council clearly knew any planning application would therefore be refused and it seems have tried to circumvent this with this shenanigans.

Don't know Councillor Ayre but I would expect any half decent elected representative to have flagged this issue up. Question is why haven't the people actually in charge realised this?
[quote][p][bold]farmerpalmer[/bold] wrote: Councillor Ayre, get a grip, remember that the council ARE listening to the locals - they dramtically cut the planning application a few weeks ago?? Short term memory i think, or are you promoting your own, yes just your own, agenda! i dont normally support this pathetic waste of money council, but on this one, they actually have listened![/p][/quote]The proposed site is directly opposite an existing site which was refused planning permission to increase in size because of dangerous access to the site from the main road. The council clearly knew any planning application would therefore be refused and it seems have tried to circumvent this with this shenanigans. Don't know Councillor Ayre but I would expect any half decent elected representative to have flagged this issue up. Question is why haven't the people actually in charge realised this? Exlabourmember
  • Score: -5

10:52pm Sat 17 May 14

the original Homer says...

tizme wrote:
Well, as a member of the Caravan and Camping Club, which is not dissimilar to the Caravan Club, and also being a resident in the near vicinity of the proposed TEMPORARY site I feel I have to say that I welcome the CC to York. I also welcome 'people' like you,petethefeet, as long as you spend your money. You are so short sighted pete that I am surprised you can see the keyboard well enough to type. This is a short term event which will bring money to York. When I go away in my campervan I buy fuel from the local garage, food from the local store and use the local facilities ie museums, department stores etc etc. This brings economy to the local area and helps to keep costs down for the residents. Now, could you enlighten us as to what you do for your recreational time... just so we can criticise you. And perhaps you could also suggest some ways to bring much needed tourism to York. Be aware that foreign tourists arrive on aeroplanes, and need to use taxis, buses etc using fossil fuels (so they must be out of the equation then?). Perhaps you'd like to suggest your ideas on the back of a postage stamp... (small mind) .
I've just checked online with Natural England and the club you mention - "Caravan and Camping Club" doesn't even hold an exemption certificate, so it isn't very similar at all to the Caravan Club..

Maybe you ought to check your membership card and see which club you actually belong to.



There is another club of similar size to the Caravan Club, but that's called the Camping and Caravanning club. They are quite particular that camping takes precedence over caravanning.. it struck me you might be paying membership fees , it might be worth checkingIf you have paid anything to be a member of that club, which you calim to be
[quote][p][bold]tizme[/bold] wrote: Well, as a member of the Caravan and Camping Club, which is not dissimilar to the Caravan Club, and also being a resident in the near vicinity of the proposed TEMPORARY site I feel I have to say that I welcome the CC to York. I also welcome 'people' like you,petethefeet, as long as you spend your money. You are so short sighted pete that I am surprised you can see the keyboard well enough to type. This is a short term event which will bring money to York. When I go away in my campervan I buy fuel from the local garage, food from the local store and use the local facilities ie museums, department stores etc etc. This brings economy to the local area and helps to keep costs down for the residents. Now, could you enlighten us as to what you do for your recreational time... just so we can criticise you. And perhaps you could also suggest some ways to bring much needed tourism to York. Be aware that foreign tourists arrive on aeroplanes, and need to use taxis, buses etc using fossil fuels (so they must be out of the equation then?). Perhaps you'd like to suggest your ideas on the back of a postage stamp... (small mind) .[/p][/quote]I've just checked online with Natural England and the club you mention - "Caravan and Camping Club" doesn't even hold an exemption certificate, so it isn't very similar at all to the Caravan Club.. Maybe you ought to check your membership card and see which club you actually belong to. There is another club of similar size to the Caravan Club, but that's called the Camping and Caravanning club. They are quite particular that camping takes precedence over caravanning.. it struck me you might be paying membership fees , it might be worth checkingIf you have paid anything to be a member of that club, which you calim to be the original Homer
  • Score: -3

8:18pm Sun 18 May 14

Cheeky face says...

When the visitors for the event arrive it will be varied in where they choose to pitch/park themselves. It should be controlled by the Tour De France team, who are in turn controlled/guided by a liaison officer based In Leeds, and lots of volunteers. They will have money!

We get the visitors to York for other events and there will always be a small
amount of negativity. Yorkshire overall will benefit; it is how we control the visitors/competitors that matters.

Don't forget everything goes in cycles eventually!
When the visitors for the event arrive it will be varied in where they choose to pitch/park themselves. It should be controlled by the Tour De France team, who are in turn controlled/guided by a liaison officer based In Leeds, and lots of volunteers. They will have money! We get the visitors to York for other events and there will always be a small amount of negativity. Yorkshire overall will benefit; it is how we control the visitors/competitors that matters. Don't forget everything goes in cycles eventually! Cheeky face
  • Score: 3

4:09pm Wed 21 May 14

meme says...

Roll it on Its a great event and a great tribute to York we are part of it
Moaners stop complaining for a few days inconvenience and live and let live
I can imagine a few older people whipping others into a frenzy just because of fear of change.....well change happens and we should all embrace it when its for the good of the City
Roll it on Its a great event and a great tribute to York we are part of it Moaners stop complaining for a few days inconvenience and live and let live I can imagine a few older people whipping others into a frenzy just because of fear of change.....well change happens and we should all embrace it when its for the good of the City meme
  • Score: -1

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