Don’t blame the bus companies of today

FIRST bus has come under a lot of flak recently.

Perhaps a brief look into history as to how the current situation came about is justified.

Prior to 1979, most of the country’s buses were owned and controlled by councils and PTEs.

These were run on a not-for-profit basis but as a service.

Then came Margaret Thatcher. Not-for-profit was an anathema to the Tories and the bus services were deregulated and privatised.

So buses were then run as a money-making business rather than a service.

Fares went up and services decreased. But no matter, a few people and shareholders became well off on the backs of the fare-paying passengers.

So do not blame First Bus for doing exactly what the Tories gave them licence to do. Greed is the raison d’étre and it suits the Tories.

It does have to be said at this point that we do have local operators who do at least try to provide a service for passengers.

Not all are greedy. But First have every right to put profit before service.

G Brian Ledger, Horseman Close, Copmanthorpe, York.

 

• IN RESPONSE to Josh Allen (Letters, October 10), I am sure that all former candidates, of any party, are fully aware of the powers that City of York Council hold over buses, as they are quite thin on the ground.

While the council has some degree of say where they would like buses to go, they have no control whatsoever over the timetables and ticket prices.

Indeed, had Mr Allen’s party bothered to do anything about this in the previous administration, we would not be seeing yet more problems due to the Liberals’ hands-off policies.

Owain Gardner, Forelands Crescent, Fulford.

 

• J NICHOLLS was spot on with the comments about the withdrawal of service 12 to Haxby (Letters, October 15).

However, the 13 which replaced it is not even an hourly service as for large parts of the day it has gaps of between 50 to 70 minutes and even a 90-minute gap in early evening.

First has given Haxby an unusable service and risks being in breach of the Trade Descriptions Act in calling it an hourly service.

I would also like to see where exactly the evening/Sunday service terminates.

Is it as the timetable says at the station or is a more convenient (for First) Station Rise?

If the latter is correct, then once again they risk breaching Trade Descriptions.

Ian Foster, Haxby, York.

Comments(9)

Stevie D says...
12:58pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Ian - Haxby also has the 1, which runs about every 10 minutes - hardly an "unusable" service even if you have to walk a little further to it.

Evenings and Sundays, the 13 runs to the station and then changes to a 12 to continue to Woodthorpe and Foxwood, effectively running a through service along the "old" route 12, although First haven't publicised this.

goatman says...
1:32pm Thu 18 Oct 12

A "little further" from West Nooks to Haxby shops? Tell that to older users, mothers with young kids, or any prospective passengers when it's siling down with rain - use your eyes, mate!

I've just started using the 07:00 number thirteen service, in eight days there has already been a five minute variance in the time the bus turns up. If you publish a bus leaving at 07:00, make sure IT LEAVES at 07:00!!

Magicman! says...
4:19am Fri 19 Oct 12

Anybody who is old, disabled, or has kids in tow who live right at the Netherwindings end of West Nooks will hardly find it "a little further walk" to Haxby Shops - you're looking at 10 minutes for a brisk walker, but more likely 20 for the groups of people I mention above. And then you have the level crossing, which can be down for 5-8 minutes.

Essentially, the North and the South of york have lost out in favour of some limited improvements to the East and the West (but primarily the west) of the city.

... and we STILL have the situation in the evenings where if you're going from anywhere on Huntington Road from Sessions stop to the Living Hope Church stop, you have both the 5 AND the 13 serve the stops at roughly 57 minutes past the hour, one bus behind the other, and then no servcie for another 59 minutes!

Junior123 says...
9:10am Fri 19 Oct 12

I live in Haxby and since the changes to the No 12 to now No 13 I cannot use this service.

The bus on a morning is too early, why did they change it?
Last year when it left West Nooks at 7.20, it was great as everyone that needed to be in town for 8am could get it. This year First decided to move it to leave West Nooks at 7.10, Okay only 10 mins early so I still could get it but now 7am, they are having a laugh.

The same is coming home, like a lot of people in York I finish work at about 5pm, can I get the no 13 ? NO. The bus is at Rougier St at 4.35 or 5.50.

It is a sorry state of affairs when even the bus drivers are telling customers to write/ phone and complain and even agree that Leeds have made a mistake on this occasion .

old_geezer says...
9:50am Fri 19 Oct 12

Mr Ledger correctly states the sorry history. The result for junior123 is that if the changes cut costs by more than any lost revenue, First are happy regardless of the impact on passengers.

stiflersmom says...
8:29am Sat 20 Oct 12

I think that its a cunning ploy by First that the timings of the new no.13 are so ridiculous. They are so few and far. between that people are being forced into using the No. 1. They will then turn round and say that the no 13 bus is not being. used and not paying its way, leading to it being axed altogether. As Ian Foster rightly points out, it is not even an hourly service as advertised. There is a gap of 1 hour and 17 minutes on a morning when workers are trying to get to work for 9am. as Junior 123 said, it makes this service useless, as one bus is too early at 7.50 and. the next one is not until 9.07. Incidentally there is a petition available to sign at various points in Haxby I know there's one in the doctors surgery and one in the community centre if anyone woud like to sign it.

Magicman! says...
3:57am Sun 21 Oct 12

First have aquired a national reputation of sending once-decent bus routes down the pan. Essentially if a bus route isn't making massive inflated profits then First will start a self destruct sequence on the route... normally it starts by cutting off a few morning and evening journeys (stage 1), then reducing the evening frequency and reducing/cutting sunday services (stage 2), then reducing daytime frequency (stage 3), then reducing areas served (stage 4), followed by fare rises across that particular network. After this the route in question is normally shut down. The West Nooks service is at stage 3, with Monks Cross residential service at stage 2. For west nooks, First's next step will be to either reroute the service to not serve any or all of the following areas: Huntington Road from Hayleys Terrace to Link Road, Haxby Eastfield Ave, Haxby Greenshaw Drive, West Nooks... with the following step after that being no route at all. Fare rises will most likely occur in January next year.

Compare this to Stagecoach where they have, in Chesterfield for example, turned a once-per-2-hours route that was under-used and subsidised into a thriving half-hourly service that now requires brand new double deckers to carry all the passengers.

In York, the North and South of the city (primarily the north) have lost out on bus services in favour of improvements to services in the East and West (primarily the west).

old_geezer says...
8:58am Mon 22 Oct 12

Magicman, good analysis. Same tactics were used by BR to run down branch lines to justify closure. Luckily in the case of the Settle line, they were
defeated by Chris Green managing the line imaginatively and increasing passenger numbers several fold.

Junior123 says...
12:57pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Bring back Glenn Coach at least they used to serve the community and charged less! Until First pushed them out.

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