Unemployed should take priority for jobs (From York Press)

Hiscox will like any employer recruit the staff they require who are best suited and qualified for the positions they wish to fill. They are not a charitable organistion!

Hiscox will like any employer recruit the staff they require who are best suited and qualified for the positions they wish to fill. They are not a charitable organistion!

But if someone moves from another firm to fill a place at Hiscox then their job will need filling - you've not really thought this through have you

The absolute ignorance and uneducated content of this letter is laughable.

About for someone from Dijon Avenue.

The absolute ignorance and uneducated content of this letter is laughable.

About right for someone from Dijon Avenue.

Bless.... A Harrison meant well :-)

Think the letter should started; I have a cunning plan.

Great idea. Penalise those who take on any job to make ends meet, and give priority to those who are happy to sit on their backsides taking dole money and refusing to take any 'menial' minimum wage jobs.

A local employer going home in a taxi said he was fed up of foreign agency staff(!) who could not do the task in hand as there were not skilled, that drive rphoned me, knowing those 'skills' have been my hobby for 30 years and i was looking for work as being 'self employed' things are drying up...

he asked when i was last employed, I said years ago, and he virtually slammed the phone down...

no wonder so many dont get work employers are like this!

hope he reads this, and finds someone else who can bench test and solder..

Actually this is quite a reasonable suggestion, so long as common sense dictates the suitability or otherwise of the candidates. (Obviously you wouldn't employ a blind person as a bus driver just because they happened to be unemployed!)

Unfortunately, however, "positive discrimination" is never popular and usually provokes all manner of "it's unfair" type whining from people who are often quite well placed themselves and yet seem to feel threatened by the good fortune of others.

As for those who "are happy to sit on their backsides taking dole money" - well - they wouldn't apply, would they?

Allow me to suggest a compromise: when a new job is advertised, the potential employer should be obliged to at least SHORTLIST a certain percentage of currently unemployed applicants ... presupposing such applications have been made and (in the case of skilled or semi-skilled work) their qualifications and experience are suitable.

The final decision would still be taken on the basis of the best person for the job, but it wouldn't rule out the possibility of taking a deserving individual out off the dole.

Sorry - "out of" or "off" the dole!

lezyork1966 wrote:
A local employer going home in a taxi said he was fed up of foreign agency staff(!) who could not do the task in hand as there were not skilled, that drive rphoned me, knowing those 'skills' have been my hobby for 30 years and i was looking for work as being 'self employed' things are drying up...

he asked when i was last employed, I said years ago, and he virtually slammed the phone down...

no wonder so many dont get work employers are like this!

hope he reads this, and finds someone else who can bench test and solder..

This is just the problem. Think about those who leave college or university, with decent qualifications... they can't apply for apprenticeships due to being too old and nobody will want them, and if they apply to jobs which they have the qualifications for they are turned down because they don't have the experience, and if they apply for minimum wage jobs they are turned down because they are overqualified. If such people try to apply for any practical jobs such as labouring, builder/joiner/plumb
er/electricians mate, highway worker, brickie/brick gang, even some warehousing positions, the persons are already expected to have the respective work tickets (CSCS, C&G/17th edition + part P (because having 17th edition to say you're a qualified sparky no longer means you're a qualified sparky), CPCS, Highway tickets, FLT, the list goes on) - and yet because the person has just left education they neither have the money or have had the time to get such tickets. The jobcentre do not fund for such people to get these cards/tickets even though it'd improve their employability. Even for CSCS you do not get the funds or the necessary training until you've been given an employment position guaranteed, and as positions normally requiring CSCS are of the "temporary for 2 weeks, start tomorrow" variety this simply isn't practicable. Then what if the person has a very minor learning or social disability? due to employment laws, if the person does not state they have that disability on the application form or in interview then they can be immediately dismissed once found out - so the person puts down the disability on the application form and then they don't get the job because the employer will take on somebody "more suited" to the role, just because "more suited" means "not disabled" even if the normal person hasn't got as many qualifications.

When somebody is on the dole they end up in a rut - unable to afford further training, and no meaningful training provided with subsidy from the government. And as time passes the 'recent employment' gap grows and employers won't even give the persons CV a second glance. Once this happens, looking for jobs and filling application forms simply becomes a chore, a meaningless exercise that is futile and only results in hand cramp due to the sometimes incomprehensible length of the forms asking for only just short of a persons' life story - but this looking and applying for jobs has to be done inorder to get any money in... and what if there is nothing the person can apply for? current jobseekers contracts state a 'doley' has to undertake at least 7 items a week to look for work, and make contact with at least 3 employers a week, be this applying or making speculative contact. In a small city like York there is only a finite list of employers to contact which is exhausted after about half a year, maybe less. So what if there's no jobs to apply for and no employers left to speculatively contact? the jobseeker is still expected to apply for jobs or they don't get their money, which then leads to employers interviewing people who then say "I actually can't do this job but had to apply for it", because it's either that or the other option is fraudulent (lying on the jobsearch log).

I get completely fed up with the Daily-Mail/Sun led hate mail stating all jobseekers are f£ckless layabouts who sit on the xbox all day just sponging off taxpayers money. Yes, there are SOME like that, but there's a lot more genuine claimants who have been forced into a vicious cycle of unemployment right from leaving education... and if the government doesn't fund new methods of gaining practical skills for more than just the 16-25 year old group then we are going to have a forgotten generation of persons who have never worked and never had any more than £5,000 a year and have no pension to speak of. Ed Balls may speak of mass housing needing to be built to get people into work like in the housing boom of the 1970's, but unless the government is prepared to subsidise schemes for people of all ages to get the necessary skills and pieces of paper to say they can build houses (or do the pipes, wires etc) then it's all a load of hot air.

Magicman! wrote:

lezyork1966 wrote:
A local employer going home in a taxi said he was fed up of foreign agency staff(!) who could not do the task in hand as there were not skilled, that drive rphoned me, knowing those 'skills' have been my hobby for 30 years and i was looking for work as being 'self employed' things are drying up...

he asked when i was last employed, I said years ago, and he virtually slammed the phone down...

no wonder so many dont get work employers are like this!

hope he reads this, and finds someone else who can bench test and solder..

This is just the problem. Think about those who leave college or university, with decent qualifications... they can't apply for apprenticeships due to being too old and nobody will want them, and if they apply to jobs which they have the qualifications for they are turned down because they don't have the experience, and if they apply for minimum wage jobs they are turned down because they are overqualified. If such people try to apply for any practical jobs such as labouring, builder/joiner/plumb

er/electricians mate, highway worker, brickie/brick gang, even some warehousing positions, the persons are already expected to have the respective work tickets (CSCS, C&G/17th edition + part P (because having 17th edition to say you're a qualified sparky no longer means you're a qualified sparky), CPCS, Highway tickets, FLT, the list goes on) - and yet because the person has just left education they neither have the money or have had the time to get such tickets. The jobcentre do not fund for such people to get these cards/tickets even though it'd improve their employability. Even for CSCS you do not get the funds or the necessary training until you've been given an employment position guaranteed, and as positions normally requiring CSCS are of the "temporary for 2 weeks, start tomorrow" variety this simply isn't practicable. Then what if the person has a very minor learning or social disability? due to employment laws, if the person does not state they have that disability on the application form or in interview then they can be immediately dismissed once found out - so the person puts down the disability on the application form and then they don't get the job because the employer will take on somebody "more suited" to the role, just because "more suited" means "not disabled" even if the normal person hasn't got as many qualifications.

When somebody is on the dole they end up in a rut - unable to afford further training, and no meaningful training provided with subsidy from the government. And as time passes the 'recent employment' gap grows and employers won't even give the persons CV a second glance. Once this happens, looking for jobs and filling application forms simply becomes a chore, a meaningless exercise that is futile and only results in hand cramp due to the sometimes incomprehensible length of the forms asking for only just short of a persons' life story - but this looking and applying for jobs has to be done inorder to get any money in... and what if there is nothing the person can apply for? current jobseekers contracts state a 'doley' has to undertake at least 7 items a week to look for work, and make contact with at least 3 employers a week, be this applying or making speculative contact. In a small city like York there is only a finite list of employers to contact which is exhausted after about half a year, maybe less. So what if there's no jobs to apply for and no employers left to speculatively contact? the jobseeker is still expected to apply for jobs or they don't get their money, which then leads to employers interviewing people who then say "I actually can't do this job but had to apply for it", because it's either that or the other option is fraudulent (lying on the jobsearch log).

I get completely fed up with the Daily-Mail/Sun led hate mail stating all jobseekers are f£ckless layabouts who sit on the xbox all day just sponging off taxpayers money. Yes, there are SOME like that, but there's a lot more genuine claimants who have been forced into a vicious cycle of unemployment right from leaving education... and if the government doesn't fund new methods of gaining practical skills for more than just the 16-25 year old group then we are going to have a forgotten generation of persons who have never worked and never had any more than £5,000 a year and have no pension to speak of. Ed Balls may speak of mass housing needing to be built to get people into work like in the housing boom of the 1970's, but unless the government is prepared to subsidise schemes for people of all ages to get the necessary skills and pieces of paper to say they can build houses (or do the pipes, wires etc) then it's all a load of hot air.

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Paul2012 wrote:
The absolute ignorance and uneducated content of this letter is laughable.

About for someone from Dijon Avenue.

"That describes you to a tee,why do you have to be so rude and insulting".

CHISSY1 wrote:

Paul2012 wrote:
The absolute ignorance and uneducated content of this letter is laughable.

About for someone from Dijon Avenue.

"That describes you to a tee,why do you have to be so rude and insulting".

probably taking tips from you : )

Ichabod76 wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:

Paul2012 wrote:
The absolute ignorance and uneducated content of this letter is laughable.

About for someone from Dijon Avenue.

"That describes you to a tee,why do you have to be so rude and insulting".

probably taking tips from you : )

" I am never rude only speak the truth".

I've got a radical idea. How about Hiscox (lulz) hire people based solely on merit, and not those belonging to groups with grievances and senses of entitlement like ethnics, homosexuals, pedophiles, environmentalists, the unemployed &c.

ickyplush wrote:

Magicman! wrote:

lezyork1966 wrote:
A local employer going home in a taxi said he was fed up of foreign agency staff(!) who could not do the task in hand as there were not skilled, that drive rphoned me, knowing those 'skills' have been my hobby for 30 years and i was looking for work as being 'self employed' things are drying up...

he asked when i was last employed, I said years ago, and he virtually slammed the phone down...

no wonder so many dont get work employers are like this!

hope he reads this, and finds someone else who can bench test and solder..

This is just the problem. Think about those who leave college or university, with decent qualifications... they can't apply for apprenticeships due to being too old and nobody will want them, and if they apply to jobs which they have the qualifications for they are turned down because they don't have the experience, and if they apply for minimum wage jobs they are turned down because they are overqualified. If such people try to apply for any practical jobs such as labouring, builder/joiner/plumb


er/electricians mate, highway worker, brickie/brick gang, even some warehousing positions, the persons are already expected to have the respective work tickets (CSCS, C&G/17th edition + part P (because having 17th edition to say you're a qualified sparky no longer means you're a qualified sparky), CPCS, Highway tickets, FLT, the list goes on) - and yet because the person has just left education they neither have the money or have had the time to get such tickets. The jobcentre do not fund for such people to get these cards/tickets even though it'd improve their employability. Even for CSCS you do not get the funds or the necessary training until you've been given an employment position guaranteed, and as positions normally requiring CSCS are of the "temporary for 2 weeks, start tomorrow" variety this simply isn't practicable. Then what if the person has a very minor learning or social disability? due to employment laws, if the person does not state they have that disability on the application form or in interview then they can be immediately dismissed once found out - so the person puts down the disability on the application form and then they don't get the job because the employer will take on somebody "more suited" to the role, just because "more suited" means "not disabled" even if the normal person hasn't got as many qualifications.

When somebody is on the dole they end up in a rut - unable to afford further training, and no meaningful training provided with subsidy from the government. And as time passes the 'recent employment' gap grows and employers won't even give the persons CV a second glance. Once this happens, looking for jobs and filling application forms simply becomes a chore, a meaningless exercise that is futile and only results in hand cramp due to the sometimes incomprehensible length of the forms asking for only just short of a persons' life story - but this looking and applying for jobs has to be done inorder to get any money in... and what if there is nothing the person can apply for? current jobseekers contracts state a 'doley' has to undertake at least 7 items a week to look for work, and make contact with at least 3 employers a week, be this applying or making speculative contact. In a small city like York there is only a finite list of employers to contact which is exhausted after about half a year, maybe less. So what if there's no jobs to apply for and no employers left to speculatively contact? the jobseeker is still expected to apply for jobs or they don't get their money, which then leads to employers interviewing people who then say "I actually can't do this job but had to apply for it", because it's either that or the other option is fraudulent (lying on the jobsearch log).

I get completely fed up with the Daily-Mail/Sun led hate mail stating all jobseekers are f£ckless layabouts who sit on the xbox all day just sponging off taxpayers money. Yes, there are SOME like that, but there's a lot more genuine claimants who have been forced into a vicious cycle of unemployment right from leaving education... and if the government doesn't fund new methods of gaining practical skills for more than just the 16-25 year old group then we are going to have a forgotten generation of persons who have never worked and never had any more than £5,000 a year and have no pension to speak of. Ed Balls may speak of mass housing needing to be built to get people into work like in the housing boom of the 1970's, but unless the government is prepared to subsidise schemes for people of all ages to get the necessary skills and pieces of paper to say they can build houses (or do the pipes, wires etc) then it's all a load of hot air.

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Typical reply from a likely Daily Mail reader there.