The NHS is slipping through Tory fingers (From York Press)

The Government needs to be able to sell the public the idea that the NHS is "broken", then they can carve it up it for their mates to get richer off.

nail on the head, Buda.

What we don't know and have never been told is where the money is going. Isn't it time that we were?

The Great Buda wrote:
The Government needs to be able to sell the public the idea that the NHS is "broken", then they can carve it up it for their mates to get richer off.

Labour broke it by allowing net immigration of 3m into the country between 1997 and 2010. The open door policy they allowed is still seeing hundreds of thousands coming into this country, putting ever increasing pressure on the NHS and housing.

Satisfaction was at an all time high because during Labour's Years in power they maxed out the credit card, effectively mortgaged everything to the hilt with PFI, spent every penny that they could get their hands on and then more.
Now that banks wont lend them even more, they have to reduce their spending.
They get more from the government than ever before, but they have to learn how to spend their money properly.

In other words the "cuts" are only taking it back to what should have been able to afford anyway.

Its like if you used to earn £200 per week and go shopping every week, spending £300 on your credit card. At some point it has to stop. You still earn £200 and can spend it (except for loan repayments) so they are not cut backs, just not spending what you dont have anymore.

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

The Great Buda wrote:
The Government needs to be able to sell the public the idea that the NHS is "broken", then they can carve it up it for their mates to get richer off.

Labour broke it by allowing net immigration of 3m into the country between 1997 and 2010. The open door policy they allowed is still seeing hundreds of thousands coming into this country, putting ever increasing pressure on the NHS and housing.

Not to mention the billions that we throw abroad every year.But that's this country, top up everyone's begging bowl and we have to suffer.

The Great Buda wrote:
The Government needs to be able to sell the public the idea that the NHS is "broken", then they can carve it up it for their mates to get richer off.

Absolutely. Creating public dissatisfaction is all part of the plan for privatisation.

'Make them fed up with it so, in the end, they all go private'.

Witness the relentless attacks on the NHS from the Daily Mail over the last few years.

People moan now, but they will rue the day when destruction is complete. By then it will be too late to turn back the clock and our healthcare will be run, for profit, by multinational corporations - one eay or another we will pay for those profits.

The jibes above about NHS funding miss the fact that under governments before Labour the NHS had been underfunded for years. So 'it's all Labour's fault' is wearing a bit thin...we're not daft and know Labour wasn't also running Spain, Greece, Ireland, Portugal, USA, Iceland, Italy.....

CHISSY1 wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

The Great Buda wrote:
The Government needs to be able to sell the public the idea that the NHS is "broken", then they can carve it up it for their mates to get richer off.

Labour broke it by allowing net immigration of 3m into the country between 1997 and 2010. The open door policy they allowed is still seeing hundreds of thousands coming into this country, putting ever increasing pressure on the NHS and housing.

Not to mention the billions that we throw abroad every year.But that's this country, top up everyone's begging bowl and we have to suffer.

Charity begins at home... we're paying an inordinate sum of money to India for example, and yet they have their own space programme - they obviously have no clue where they should be directing money so why should we be taking care of all their poor whilst we have millions in poverty and their government is trying to send a rocket to the moon?


We all knew the tories would try and privatise the NHS, it's what the tories do... they did it with Coal, Gas, Electricity, Water, Sewage, buses, trains, north sea oil... the NHS is next, and cameron is also laying the foundations so that when they next get into power they can privatise the main road network.

CHISSY1 wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

The Great Buda wrote: The Government needs to be able to sell the public the idea that the NHS is "broken", then they can carve it up it for their mates to get richer off.

Labour broke it by allowing net immigration of 3m into the country between 1997 and 2010. The open door policy they allowed is still seeing hundreds of thousands coming into this country, putting ever increasing pressure on the NHS and housing.

Not to mention the billions that we throw abroad every year.But that's this country, top up everyone's begging bowl and we have to suffer.

Foreign aid works to our advantage. It is not charity, it is an instrument of foreign policy. Cheap at the price but hey do not expect some to understand it. To the thick, why do all parties keep it going?

Omega Point wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

The Great Buda wrote: The Government needs to be able to sell the public the idea that the NHS is "broken", then they can carve it up it for their mates to get richer off.

Labour broke it by allowing net immigration of 3m into the country between 1997 and 2010. The open door policy they allowed is still seeing hundreds of thousands coming into this country, putting ever increasing pressure on the NHS and housing.

Not to mention the billions that we throw abroad every year.But that's this country, top up everyone's begging bowl and we have to suffer.

Foreign aid works to our advantage. It is not charity, it is an instrument of foreign policy. Cheap at the price but hey do not expect some to understand it. To the thick, why do all parties keep it going?

"Another brainwashed individual."Foreign aid works to our advantage","an instrument of foreign policy". Explain this drivel to all the thick people please.

Omega Point wrote:

CHISSY1 wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

The Great Buda wrote: The Government needs to be able to sell the public the idea that the NHS is "broken", then they can carve it up it for their mates to get richer off.

Labour broke it by allowing net immigration of 3m into the country between 1997 and 2010. The open door policy they allowed is still seeing hundreds of thousands coming into this country, putting ever increasing pressure on the NHS and housing.

Not to mention the billions that we throw abroad every year.But that's this country, top up everyone's begging bowl and we have to suffer.

Foreign aid works to our advantage. It is not charity, it is an instrument of foreign policy. Cheap at the price but hey do not expect some to understand it. To the thick, why do all parties keep it going?

I'm thick Omega, so please explain will you.

Maquis wrote:
Satisfaction was at an all time high because during Labour's Years in power they maxed out the credit card, effectively mortgaged everything to the hilt with PFI, spent every penny that they could get their hands on and then more.
Now that banks wont lend them even more, they have to reduce their spending.
They get more from the government than ever before, but they have to learn how to spend their money properly.

In other words the "cuts" are only taking it back to what should have been able to afford anyway.

Its like if you used to earn £200 per week and go shopping every week, spending £300 on your credit card. At some point it has to stop. You still earn £200 and can spend it (except for loan repayments) so they are not cut backs, just not spending what you dont have anymore.

Still got people using the home finances explanation I see. Families can't spend money to make more money though, can they? Job creation, training, industry, etc.

Likewise, those who cannot understand how spending abroad bring profits back at home ought to look at the British Council model, which data shows brings in £4 for every £1 of tax payers money spent through it.

"Tax" Got to be raised again hasn't it? Corporations that take British tax payers money and pull it out of the country to shove through another EU countries lower tax system and then report that back to our government is a major issue for the man on the street. Start focusing there, instead of attacking immigrants, claimants and using the household finances appalling analogy.

YSTClinguist wrote:

Maquis wrote:
Satisfaction was at an all time high because during Labour's Years in power they maxed out the credit card, effectively mortgaged everything to the hilt with PFI, spent every penny that they could get their hands on and then more.
Now that banks wont lend them even more, they have to reduce their spending.
They get more from the government than ever before, but they have to learn how to spend their money properly.

In other words the "cuts" are only taking it back to what should have been able to afford anyway.

Its like if you used to earn £200 per week and go shopping every week, spending £300 on your credit card. At some point it has to stop. You still earn £200 and can spend it (except for loan repayments) so they are not cut backs, just not spending what you dont have anymore.

Still got people using the home finances explanation I see. Families can't spend money to make more money though, can they? Job creation, training, industry, etc.

Likewise, those who cannot understand how spending abroad bring profits back at home ought to look at the British Council model, which data shows brings in £4 for every £1 of tax payers money spent through it.

"Tax" Got to be raised again hasn't it? Corporations that take British tax payers money and pull it out of the country to shove through another EU countries lower tax system and then report that back to our government is a major issue for the man on the street. Start focusing there, instead of attacking immigrants, claimants and using the household finances appalling analogy.

"Brainwashed"

YSTClinguist wrote:

Maquis wrote:
Satisfaction was at an all time high because during Labour's Years in power they maxed out the credit card, effectively mortgaged everything to the hilt with PFI, spent every penny that they could get their hands on and then more.
Now that banks wont lend them even more, they have to reduce their spending.
They get more from the government than ever before, but they have to learn how to spend their money properly.

In other words the "cuts" are only taking it back to what should have been able to afford anyway.

Its like if you used to earn £200 per week and go shopping every week, spending £300 on your credit card. At some point it has to stop. You still earn £200 and can spend it (except for loan repayments) so they are not cut backs, just not spending what you dont have anymore.

Still got people using the home finances explanation I see. Families can't spend money to make more money though, can they? Job creation, training, industry, etc.

Likewise, those who cannot understand how spending abroad bring profits back at home ought to look at the British Council model, which data shows brings in £4 for every £1 of tax payers money spent through it.

"Tax" Got to be raised again hasn't it? Corporations that take British tax payers money and pull it out of the country to shove through another EU countries lower tax system and then report that back to our government is a major issue for the man on the street. Start focusing there, instead of attacking immigrants, claimants and using the household finances appalling analogy.

It is not the job of the NHS to make money, it is their job to use our money wisely.

They massive overspend was not abroad, it was here.

If you look at my comment, I didnt mention immigrants at all, simply the inability for some NHS bosses to work within the budgets given to them, but since you mention it, a vastly disproportionate amount of children being born now are to immigrant families, and the problem of "NHS tourists" does need to be addresses.

YSTClinguist wrote:

Maquis wrote:
Satisfaction was at an all time high because during Labour's Years in power they maxed out the credit card, effectively mortgaged everything to the hilt with PFI, spent every penny that they could get their hands on and then more.
Now that banks wont lend them even more, they have to reduce their spending.
They get more from the government than ever before, but they have to learn how to spend their money properly.

In other words the "cuts" are only taking it back to what should have been able to afford anyway.

Its like if you used to earn £200 per week and go shopping every week, spending £300 on your credit card. At some point it has to stop. You still earn £200 and can spend it (except for loan repayments) so they are not cut backs, just not spending what you dont have anymore.

Still got people using the home finances explanation I see. Families can't spend money to make more money though, can they? Job creation, training, industry, etc.

Likewise, those who cannot understand how spending abroad bring profits back at home ought to look at the British Council model, which data shows brings in £4 for every £1 of tax payers money spent through it.

"Tax" Got to be raised again hasn't it? Corporations that take British tax payers money and pull it out of the country to shove through another EU countries lower tax system and then report that back to our government is a major issue for the man on the street. Start focusing there, instead of attacking immigrants, claimants and using the household finances appalling analogy.

It is not the job of the NHS to make money, it is their job to use our money wisely.

They massive overspend was not abroad, it was here.

If you look at my comment, I didnt mention immigrants at all, simply the inability for some NHS bosses to work within the budgets given to them, but since you mention it, a vastly disproportionate amount of children being born now are to immigrant families, and the problem of "NHS tourists" does need to be addresses.

I wish you'd stop telling everyone that you're brainwashed CHISSY1. We already know!

Mr Happy wrote:
I wish you'd stop telling everyone that you're brainwashed CHISSY1. We already know!

"I just say what the majority of people in this country think.The brainwashed are the people who believe what MPs tell them.Notice that the majority of comments that are posted on this subject are politically influenced,i am not.