Morally abhorrent (From York Press)

i agree wholeheartedly :D

I hope no pro-hanging people will post here without responding to the facts in the link (below)

The statistics prove for certain that there are more murders in the US states WITH the death sentence. It is not a blip, it is every year for 20 years.

http://www.deathpena
ltyinfo.org/deterren
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-consistently-lower-
murder-rates

Jezreel wrote:
I hope no pro-hanging people will post here without responding to the facts in the link (below)

The statistics prove for certain that there are more murders in the US states WITH the death sentence. It is not a blip, it is every year for 20 years.

http://www.deathpena

ltyinfo.org/deterren

ce-states-without-de

ath-penalty-have-had

-consistently-lower-

murder-rates

I think you will find the states that have low murder rates tend to be affluent white neighbourhoods and the ones with high murder rates tend not to be.The death penalty should return to the UK for murderers,child sex offenders,cop killers,Muslim extremists and Tony Blair

Jezreel wrote:
I hope no pro-hanging people will post here without responding to the facts in the link (below)

The statistics prove for certain that there are more murders in the US states WITH the death sentence. It is not a blip, it is every year for 20 years.

http://www.deathpena

ltyinfo.org/deterren

ce-states-without-de

ath-penalty-have-had

-consistently-lower-

murder-rates

I think you will find the states that have low murder rates tend to be affluent white neighbourhoods and the ones with high murder rates tend not to be.The death penalty should return to the UK for murderers,child sex offenders,cop killers,Muslim extremists and Tony Blair

to say that the death penalty is wrong as it also punishes the members of their family is wrong, is pointless...

joe blogs got sent down for growing pot in his council flat, now his dad who cant walk wont get a lift in the car to tesco, so his dad suffers, and no death penalty is involved, its the loss of this son, should we not kill them and also not lock them up... where would we be then...

no the faiilout form killing them is not the reason for not killing them, its because so many INNOCENT ppl are found guilty!

too many ppl get railroaded by the police and the court system as its more corrupt than most of who they bang up.

Of course 99% of the public are so mind washed by the scare monger media that anyone not doing the 'normal' things are classed as criminal scum of society.

something like 4000 homes ''vandalised'' by police raids on innocent people etc and not a penny in compensation to most of them...

more killings in the UK by the police than by terrorists, in *any* given year...

you dont know just what a monster has been created on your own doorstep until one day they turn on you...

Old police had it right, modern police are not even police officers, and I mean that, they are not, just ask one to tell you the oath he swore, I bet not one can! they are ''enforcement officers'' for corporate sanctions on members of the public and they even trade as a business and are registered as a company! (check that one out)

jorvik wrote:

Jezreel wrote:
I hope no pro-hanging people will post here without responding to the facts in the link (below)

The statistics prove for certain that there are more murders in the US states WITH the death sentence. It is not a blip, it is every year for 20 years.

http://www.deathpena


ltyinfo.org/deterren


ce-states-without-de


ath-penalty-have-had


-consistently-lower-


murder-rates

I think you will find the states that have low murder rates tend to be affluent white neighbourhoods and the ones with high murder rates tend not to be.The death penalty should return to the UK for murderers,child sex offenders,cop killers,Muslim extremists and Tony Blair

Not So Yorvik.
Abolitionist new York State borders Pennysylvania and New Hampshire. Both these affluent states have the death penalty and both have a higher murder rate than New York State.

Moreover recent DNA evidence has led to the release 200 people on death row were innocent. This indicates that thousands of innocent people have probably been executed.

Please explain why you want the death penalty for Muslim extremists but do not mention white extremists like Anders Breivik and BNP nailbomber David Copeland

Jezreel wrote:

jorvik wrote:

Jezreel wrote:
I hope no pro-hanging people will post here without responding to the facts in the link (below)

The statistics prove for certain that there are more murders in the US states WITH the death sentence. It is not a blip, it is every year for 20 years.

http://www.deathpena



ltyinfo.org/deterren



ce-states-without-de



ath-penalty-have-had



-consistently-lower-



murder-rates

I think you will find the states that have low murder rates tend to be affluent white neighbourhoods and the ones with high murder rates tend not to be.The death penalty should return to the UK for murderers,child sex offenders,cop killers,Muslim extremists and Tony Blair

Not So Yorvik.
Abolitionist new York State borders Pennysylvania and New Hampshire. Both these affluent states have the death penalty and both have a higher murder rate than New York State.

Moreover recent DNA evidence has led to the release 200 people on death row were innocent. This indicates that thousands of innocent people have probably been executed.

Please explain why you want the death penalty for Muslim extremists but do not mention white extremists like Anders Breivik and BNP nailbomber David Copeland

I think you will find that your left wing website actually proves my point,hence no death penalty and low murder rates in affluent states like Iowa and Vermont yet states like Missisippi and Alabama have high murder rates and the death penalty.It's needed in states where the murder rate is high.And regarding the two nut jobs Breivik and Copeland both have mental health issues but are not a threat to civilised western countries unlike muslim extremists who want to bring death and destruction to everyone,many of whom are already here on benefits thanks to last last government

No grasp of reality hence you get the principal issue wrong and dodge the DNA issue entirely

Most revealing of all is this -

"Breivik and Copeland both have mental health issues but are not a threat to civilised western countries unlike muslim extremists"

Not a threat ! Unlike you I share a small part of the grief of the victims and their families whose lives have been destroyed. Every perpetrator of racial hatred and bigotry has played a part in these crimes

The "deterrent-or-otherw
ise" arguments are neither here nor there. Nor is the "wrongful conviction" argument, either, though it makes perfect sense.

Capital punishment is just MORALLY wrong in and of itself.

These days people seem incapable of getting their heads round "morality" as an objective reality outside and beyond mere pragmatism. I suppose I'm just old fashioned ... but there you go. I'm a child of my time.

Why's it always hanging? Why not shooting? Or, hell - extrajudicial targeted assassinations with drones?

Like Obama do.

Everyone loves 'splosions.

And everyone loves Obama.

Remember: violence isn't the answer. Violence is the question.

And the answer is yes.

Seadog wrote:
The "deterrent-or-o
therw
ise" arguments are neither here nor there. Nor is the "wrongful conviction" argument, either, though it makes perfect sense.

Capital punishment is just MORALLY wrong in and of itself.

These days people seem incapable of getting their heads round "morality" as an objective reality outside and beyond mere pragmatism. I suppose I'm just old fashioned ... but there you go. I'm a child of my time.

That's because saying something is 'just morally wrong in and of itself' is what leads to people to declare homosexuality to be 'just wrong', or taking drugs to be 'just wrong'. People start saying things are wrong on the basis of emotions and tradition, rather than reason.

Why is capital punishment 'just wrong'?

(I don't support capital punishment, btw).

I take your point Matt; but I do believe in good and evil as objective realities.

On reflection, of course, I should have prefixed my second sentence with "I believe that ..."