City centre needs to move with times (From York Press)
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City centre needs to move with times
12:00pm Saturday 12th May 2012 in Letters
TRADITIONAL retailing in the city centre has been in decline for years due to policies aimed at minimising car use and preserving York’s heritage.
Although out-of-town shopping is blamed, if it wasn’t there, the city would be permanently gridlocked.
The city centre is moving into a different phase and this should be reflected in strategic planning. Without a new urban motorway and cheap parking, the centre cannot cater for the kind of shopping now done out of town.
Like it or not, the centre is now mostly a leisure destination and the composition of its retailing reflects this.
As traditional shops close they are replaced by coffee houses, restaurants and speciality shops.
If the Castle Piccadilly scheme went ahead instead of the Monks Cross proposal, it would be unlikely to reverse the exodus of everyday shopping but would increase city-centre car journeys and parking.
The solution might be to plan for the city centre to move towards a car-free future and accept that everyday shopping is now done out of town.
Such planning could involve acceptance that the central business core will shrink, encouraging investment and enterprise in suitable out-of-town locations and making the centre more enjoyable for locals and visitors.
The Monks Cross scheme will provide substantial capital investment, long-term jobs and visitor spending. York can benefit from such investment if it accepts that the centre must evolve.
Jerome Fieldhouse, Cat Lane, Bilbrough, York.
• I REGRET to say that, if correctly reported, the contribution to the debate by our Head of Economic Development (The Press, May 7) only confirms the establishment view that should Monks Cross go ahead the city centre will be left to find its own salvation.
“If the Monks Cross scheme was approved the city centre may face ‘challenges’… and that plans to develop the Castle-Piccadilly site would need a major review”.
This is the first official acknowledgement of what the potential developers of Castle-Piccadilly have previously stated – that they would abandon any proposals they might have, and off-load the site.
This would set back any meaningful improvement to our city centre for years, and waste a fantastic opportunity, all because finance cannot be found to fund a new stadium other than through the back door of a questionable development.
I recall that the chair of York City Knights proposed building a new stadium and community facilities on the back of housing development in the green belt. Considering that York is desperately short of housing, this could be one way forward. There is no evidence in public that the council has explored such alternatives. The question remains, why not?
Philip Crow, Clifton, York.
• Worries over transport links are the latest stumbling block trying to stall the redevelopment at Monks Cross. The probability of congestion is real enough, but rather than extreme measures, would it not be possible to arrange traffic management on match days along the lines of the race days?
This appears to work well and while it does inconvenience some nearby residents, it keeps a lot more traffic moving away from the city. The numbers attending football matches at Monks Cross is going to be a lot smaller than those crowds on Knavesmire.
Other cities cope admirably with huge numbers at each of the Premier League grounds with no fuss, so a 6,000-capacity crowd should be a doddle for planners, even if it includes temporary traffic lights at the exit of the car parking area or something similar. A common-sense approach rather than heated doom and gloom is necessary here. As for John Lewis moving instead to the city centre, I imagine they would have done ten years ago but for the council at that time championing ridding the city of cars and their parking areas.
Jim Dawes, Low Catton, York.
Comments(11)
Yorkie-Clifton
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4:35pm Sat 12 May 12
Even AndyD
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6:35pm Sat 12 May 12
mickrick
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6:46pm Sat 12 May 12
Yorkie-Clifton wrote:At last a voice of reason and sense. Dont get carried away PP unless its on your bike
Many years ago It was suggested that Bootham Crescent Stadium be moved to Wigginton Stray ,close to the Scarborough Railway Line . In my opinion this would have been ideal as the visiting Fans would be contained . In those days the Police used to have trouble in escorting the fans from York Railway Station to Bootham Crescent . Now we have the opportunity of Monks Cross . --- Is there another George Hudson in the house . What potential ???? No road problems either for shopping . PP could open a Bike hire centre from the Monks Cross station landing --
Even AndyD
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8:21pm Sat 12 May 12
Even with the bigger matches, things tend to pass off perfectly calmly in 49 out of 50 occasions.
Yorkie-Clifton
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10:24pm Sat 12 May 12
Even AndyD wrote:What a negative attitude , have you no spirit of going forward . York City have excelled at this moment in time . Have you heard of building on this . I am sorry to say but that is a pathetic remark .
Visiting fans contained? This isn't 1980, this is 2012, where visiting fans tend to be a couple of families from Forest Green, or two men and a dog from Ebbsfleet!
Even with the bigger matches, things tend to pass off perfectly calmly in 49 out of 50 occasions.
I could never see you forming a business . You will always work for someone else then complain .
Even AndyD
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12:58pm Sun 13 May 12
Yorkie-Clifton wrote:With respect, I think you are misinterpreting what I meant. Or I you. All I meant is the days of having to 'contain' away fans on a regular basis are behind us. At the moment, few fans visit because of the division we are in, but as I clearly said, for the bigger games and when eventually get back into the league, supporter behaviour isn't the drama it used to be and thus large infrastructure planning isn't needed to contain them.
Even AndyD wrote:What a negative attitude , have you no spirit of going forward . York City have excelled at this moment in time . Have you heard of building on this . I am sorry to say but that is a pathetic remark .
Visiting fans contained? This isn't 1980, this is 2012, where visiting fans tend to be a couple of families from Forest Green, or two men and a dog from Ebbsfleet!
Even with the bigger matches, things tend to pass off perfectly calmly in 49 out of 50 occasions.
I could never see you forming a business . You will always work for someone else then complain .
In the old, dark days, you had stations behind grounds such as Hull's Boothferry Park precisely so away fans could be 'managed'.
That is all I thought you meant. I obviously have a 'lot of spirit going forward' - if supporting City isn't about hope, hope and more hope, I don't what else is.
:-)
Even AndyD
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12:59pm Sun 13 May 12
dsom73
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3:19pm Sun 13 May 12
If the proposals don't get the go ahead, no business will want to attempt investing in York ever again.
Might as well bulldoze the lot now than wait for the locals to tear it apart out of frustration, boredom, hunger.
pedalling paul
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8:28pm Sun 13 May 12
Yorkie-Clifton wrote:What....on top of all the other jobs that I allegedly do!!
Many years ago It was suggested that Bootham Crescent Stadium be moved to Wigginton Stray ,close to the Scarborough Railway Line . In my opinion this would have been ideal as the visiting Fans would be contained . In those days the Police used to have trouble in escorting the fans from York Railway Station to Bootham Crescent . Now we have the opportunity of Monks Cross . --- Is there another George Hudson in the house . What potential ???? No road problems either for shopping . PP could open a Bike hire centre from the Monks Cross station landing --
Magicman!
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2:52am Tue 15 May 12
Even AndyD wrote:Exactly.
Spot on Mr Fieldhouse - someone with the vision to take the long view at last.
Other cities are moving ahead with their retail provision, and that is what is mainly killing off York's retail, not out of town centres. When done correctly, out of town shopping will add to a cities retail provision. Sheffield for example: you go shopping in the city centre, the shops close at 5.30pm so you go out to meadowhall for a couple more hours and then have a mean there and head home afterwards. Same for Manchester and the Trafford Centre... York? city centre shops close at 5.30pm, the designer outlet at 6pm, clifton moor is for big bulky stuff and monks cross is a duplicate of the city centre - well, a duplicate of the USEFUL shops.
York's inner ring road cannot cope with the traffic it handles. Somebody on here suggested a Leeds Loop Road idea for York - and this could work if it was anti-clockwise so that traffic was turning left at most junctions. The problem comes with Gillygate - if it is for inbound traffic only where would the buses go? they could go round by the Minster as they did a few decades ago, but the way goodramgate has been narrowed wouldn't help traffic flow and I don't think the Minster estate would be happy with it either. Likewise it'd also put more traffic along Burton Stone Lane for those wishing to head outwards from the city without having to do the merry-go-round. Lord Mayors Walk could have two lanes in the direction towards Gillygate and still have a lane in the other direction, if the car parking was got rid of. Foss Islands Road could be one way towards Foss Bank as James Street could then become one way in the direction towards Lawrence Street.... but the rest of it I'm not sure about.
The Great Buda says...
1:34pm Sat 12 May 12
The nature of the City Centre is moving away from being a retail hub. York can either evolve or die.
Get it built already.