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Man-made threat
9:31am Thursday 2nd February 2012 in Letters
IN REPLY to Philip Roe (Letters, January 31), he may like to know that the worldwide CO2 emission in 2010 was 30.6 GIGAtons.
This is a three with ten zeros on the end, more than any of us can really understand, and this is just in one single year. Since pre-industrial times, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased from 280ppm to 392 ppm – an increase of 40 per cent.
Where has this come from? Yes it comes from volcanoes, respiration and other natural sources. But this has for thousands of years been balanced by photosynthesis.
We have added a vast amount of CO2 to the earth, and it is us who are responsible for this increase in concentration. What effect does this ‘tiny’ amount of CO2 have?
Well just stop for a moment and think that without greenhouse gases in the atmosphere the average temperature would be about -17C, so what effect do you think adding 40 per cent CO2 will actually have in the long term?
Yes, cyclic events in temperature have always happened but that does not mean that man cannot affect them! Note that 97 per cent of climatologists agree that man-made CO2 emissions are increasing the world’s temperature.
Graham Smith, Grange Street, York.
Comments(29)
The Great Buda
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9:49am Thu 2 Feb 12
One outcome of global warming is the switching of the Gulf Stream that has helped keep the UK warm. If that warm stream of water moves futher south, the UK will actually cool. Plus there are cycles of weather over a 10 year plus basis. Hence we can move from a period of succesive warm winters to succesive cold winters. This does not dissprove Global Warming.
Global Warming is a very real fact, despite the lies that are peddled about it.
You are right though that we can defeat it, and again as you point out - that will take time and more importantly: it will require people changing their ways.
powerwatt
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9:59am Thu 2 Feb 12
The Great Buda wrote:I would tread very carefully to call something in science fact. It is a theory on which a majority of scientists agree. Not al;l, but some. Using the short term data that is available.
Sorry Newscritic. Very poor arguement that.
One outcome of global warming is the switching of the Gulf Stream that has helped keep the UK warm. If that warm stream of water moves futher south, the UK will actually cool. Plus there are cycles of weather over a 10 year plus basis. Hence we can move from a period of succesive warm winters to succesive cold winters. This does not dissprove Global Warming.
Global Warming is a very real fact, despite the lies that are peddled about it.
You are right though that we can defeat it, and again as you point out - that will take time and more importantly: it will require people changing their ways.
When evolution, gravity, laws of motion, etc are deemed to be a theory due to the fact they meet the criteria of the majority of scientists at the moment using the data available. Yet these theories change over time as well.
It is a shame that will all the focus on Carbon Dioxide (or more fashionably called carbon emissions), which you have to remember only 3% is man made. The more harmful to everything emissions are no longer focussed on. To purely focus on Carbon Dioxide instead of focussing on all pollutants can only be harmful to us all.
newscritic
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10:25am Thu 2 Feb 12
The Great Buda wrote:Recent research has indicated that the Gulf Stream has not weakened so that is currently having zero impact on temperatures.
Sorry Newscritic. Very poor arguement that.
One outcome of global warming is the switching of the Gulf Stream that has helped keep the UK warm. If that warm stream of water moves futher south, the UK will actually cool. Plus there are cycles of weather over a 10 year plus basis. Hence we can move from a period of succesive warm winters to succesive cold winters. This does not dissprove Global Warming.
Global Warming is a very real fact, despite the lies that are peddled about it.
You are right though that we can defeat it, and again as you point out - that will take time and more importantly: it will require people changing their ways.
Also the sun is due to enter a weakened activity stage during its 25th cycle in 2022 which will be weaker than the current 11th year cycle and could combine with other events to initiate a new mini iceage which may have already begun.
Manmade emissions if they have any real imact may offset a truly devastating cooling.
Secondly research indicates that the world has not warmed any more over the last decade.
Even if the Gulf Stream were to weaken, the impact on the UK would be neutralised, offset by the higher global temperatures - but no sign of the world warming in fact it appears to be cooling.
People changing there ways - they already have. More energy efficient gadgets, lightbulbs, heating systems and more economical vehicles, better house insulation including double and triple glazing.
But the main drivers of fossil fuels are the developing nations but they too are introducing new greener technology for their own economical survival and indepence if not for purely alturistic reasons.
The Great Buda
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11:03am Thu 2 Feb 12
Without CO2 (and other Greenhouse gasses) temperatures would be around -13. Do you really think that having 40% more CO2 in the air will have had no effect?
Recent research has not shown a cooling in temps; merely the research has been bent and twisted to suit those who wish to shout down Global Warming.
http://www.skeptical
science.com/global-c
ooling-january-2007-
to-january-2008.htm
http://www.epa.gov/c
limatechange/science
/pastcc.html
However as I've said we can reduce them and start limiting our impact on the Earth. The first step is educating people like Mr Roe.
newscritic
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11:15am Thu 2 Feb 12
The Great Buda wrote:I could produce plenty of links to the contrary.
To say man made emissions have had no effect is to stand in front of an on-coming train with your eyes shut.
Without CO2 (and other Greenhouse gasses) temperatures would be around -13. Do you really think that having 40% more CO2 in the air will have had no effect?
Recent research has not shown a cooling in temps; merely the research has been bent and twisted to suit those who wish to shout down Global Warming.
http://www.skeptical
science.com/global-c
ooling-january-2007-
to-january-2008.htm
http://www.epa.gov/c
limatechange/science
/pastcc.html
However as I've said we can reduce them and start limiting our impact on the Earth. The first step is educating people like Mr Roe.
Global warming was changed to climate change - I wonder why?
However there is absolutely, nothing, zero, zilch that you and I or the UK government can do more than we already are to alter the impact of fossil fuel use by the developing nations.
Even our own fossil fuel usage is still going to be extremely heavy - so unlees you want energy blackouts in the UK what alternative do we have at the moment?
The Great Buda
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11:23am Thu 2 Feb 12
smith63
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11:33am Thu 2 Feb 12
The last couple of years low temperatures in Britain, have been among the warmest winters ever recorded! This is because the temperature in the high arctic has been much warmer than usual. The reason for this is the changing pattern of the northern jet stream.
For unbiased information please try the nasa web site and the US National Climate Data Center:
http://www.ncdc.noaa
.gov/indicators/ as they are US government funded and not the opinion of a few people.
newscritic
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12:30pm Thu 2 Feb 12
The Great Buda wrote:Wind and nuclear are being expanded or modernised but still a small percentage of total UK energy.
Wind and Nuclear. Something that the UK Government can do quite a lot about.
So it takes time but coal and gas useage will be huge for a long time to come.
Corran
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12:35pm Thu 2 Feb 12
The Great Buda wrote:Yeah, great, except every time the government find a suitable place for these, there is a bunch of "NIMBY"s who don't want it near them.
Wind and Nuclear. Something that the UK Government can do quite a lot about.
lis0r
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12:38pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Global warming means exactly that - the average temperature of the entire globe increases. It makes no direct predictions about localised temperatures. It is fully expected that the result will be that weather in the UK becomes more extreme.
newscritic
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1:01pm Thu 2 Feb 12
smith63 wrote:There is currently a huge mass of freezing cold in the Arctic which has been hemmed in due to the position of the jet stream and blocking conditions.
newscritic, there is no research that indicates that the world has not warmed any more over the last decade. One decade is not enough data to show this one way or the other. However, any sequence of 15-16 years will indicate statistically significant warming. Ten years of data will only indicate a 80-90% probability of warming.
The last couple of years low temperatures in Britain, have been among the warmest winters ever recorded! This is because the temperature in the high arctic has been much warmer than usual. The reason for this is the changing pattern of the northern jet stream.
For unbiased information please try the nasa web site and the US National Climate Data Center:
http://www.ncdc.noaa
.gov/indicators/ as they are US government funded and not the opinion of a few people.
Europe is currently experiencing record freezing temperatures which could reach the UK.
If it does reach the UK that will be 4 successive cold winters in a row when it is unusal for the UK to have even 3 in a row.
Heres a snippet going round the media:
"Last week, the UK Met released its latest global temperature data to the world. It shows that the Earth has not warmed in 15 years. The warming ceased after the great super El Nino of 1998.
The numbers are based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations around the planet. The data was quietly released last week without fanfare and it confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997."
The Great Buda
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1:33pm Thu 2 Feb 12
newscritic
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1:51pm Thu 2 Feb 12
The Great Buda wrote:I didnt quote the Daily Mail.
Quoting the Daily Mail will get you no where.
Omega Point
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1:55pm Thu 2 Feb 12
newscritic
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1:58pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Omega Point wrote:Who knows everything about climate change?
When a 9 year old grandchild comes up and thinks you know everything and asks about climate change, I know where to point him
The Great Buda
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2:05pm Thu 2 Feb 12
newscritic wrote:A simple test; if its reported in the Daily Mail, its a lie.
The Great Buda wrote:I didnt quote the Daily Mail.
Quoting the Daily Mail will get you no where.
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/sciencetech/a
rticle-2093264/Forge
t-global-warming--Cy
cle-25-need-worry-NA
SA-scientists-right-
Thames-freezing-agai
n.html?ito=feeds-new
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newscritic
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2:13pm Thu 2 Feb 12
The Great Buda wrote:I didnt paste the quote from the Daily Mail.
newscritic wrote:A simple test; if its reported in the Daily Mail, its a lie.
The Great Buda wrote:I didnt quote the Daily Mail.
Quoting the Daily Mail will get you no where.
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/sciencetech/a
rticle-2093264/Forge
t-global-warming--Cy
cle-25-need-worry-NA
SA-scientists-right-
Thames-freezing-agai
n.html?ito=feeds-new
sxml
Anyway you believe what you want - i will not lose any sleep whatsoever about climate change.
The Great Buda
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2:26pm Thu 2 Feb 12
How very bizare.
newscritic
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2:50pm Thu 2 Feb 12
The Great Buda wrote:That is not what I have done.
Then why go to all this effort to shout it down if it is of no consequence to you?
How very bizare.
I am countering the bizarre claims from people like you who are maintaining this and that as fact about the world warming.
I am just saying that climate change is of no real concern so I dont know why you are worrying yourself so much about it.
Please don't worry.
The Great Buda
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3:12pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Again, if it is of no real concern. Why all the effort?
newscritic
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3:22pm Thu 2 Feb 12
The Great Buda wrote:Unbelievable!
Its exactly what you've done.
Again, if it is of no real concern. Why all the effort?
I only responded to you because you challenged me about the "lies" I was spouting.
It seems you are like all the other "warmers" who take it as sacrilege if you are challenged - which is exactly why you need to be challenged because your sort are costing the taxpayer a fortune because of your scare mongering.
Its no effort to me responding to you but in the end there is no point as you doomsayers live in fear all the time - but be a good lad and stop spreading your silly fears to others.
The Great Buda
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4:41pm Thu 2 Feb 12
newscritic
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4:55pm Thu 2 Feb 12
You are most welcome.
Now be a good lad stop whinging.
ColdAsChristmas
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6:04pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Back and Beyond
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6:14pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Brickyard
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9:36pm Thu 2 Feb 12
newscritic wrote:Julian Cole is looking to use a wood burning oven to bake bread, what kind of emissions do these types of stove produce.
Global warming must be the reason for a frozen Europe and what looks like the 4th upcoming successive bitter winter event in the UK.
Manmade emissions will decline eventually as new technology increases and the fossil fuels are no longer used.
But this takes time.
Magicman!
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12:33am Sun 5 Feb 12
Whilst alternative technology has been developed, it is very expensive and every single person who pays an electricity bill or gas bill in this country is paying bloated prices to fund the installation of what (by comparison to something like Drax) is still a very very inefficient process of generating power. We have battery powered cars that cost more than twice their petrol equivalents and only go so far before the battery is dead and you have to stop over the night for the thing to charge... and that's before you even consider the batteries need metal mined in Canada using sulphuric acid (which polutes the local area and causes acid rain) which is then shipped across the globe to Asia for processing, giving out more emissions, before being shipped across to Japan to go in the car, before the car is shipped to the UK... by which time it has gone onto the forecourt it already has generated a higher "carbon footprint" than a Range Rover Sport could make in a good few years.
Global Warming is a theory, it has not been proven, and the methods to attempt to combat it are fundamentally flawed. Proper Scientists who have also received the same funding that global warming 'scientists' have got have discovered differences in our atmosphere that global warming climate models didn't account for, meaning that if anything predicted ever does happen, it is decades away and will be minor compared to what the doomsayers predict. Also, the earth has several negative feedback loops to control the atmosphere... when a chunk of ice slides off into the ocean, that releases Plankton which then generate more Oxygen and consume more CO2. The fake science of Global Warming would rather cover that up though.
ColdAsChristmas
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4:19pm Sun 5 Feb 12
newscritic says...
9:35am Thu 2 Feb 12
Manmade emissions will decline eventually as new technology increases and the fossil fuels are no longer used.
But this takes time.