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20mph victory...or a mistake?


I CONGRATULATE Coun Potter (Letters, September 3) on getting the go-ahead for a 20mph limit outside Heworth Junior School, a need the Greens also highlighted last year during the Heworth by-election.

I hope that this sets a good precedent for a similar limit in Fishergate (outside Fishergate and St George’s Schools) following a 300-strong petition that we presented to the council this year.

However, Coun Potter should not take this as a sign that Coun Galloway has been convinced of the benefits of wider 20mph limits without humps, following the example of other UK cities including Portsmouth, Oxford, Newcastle and most European towns.

Take a look at www.20splentyforus.org.uk where you can see a new video (including some shots of York campaigners) explaining how the policy could change our living environment and improve road safety.

It’s not that revolutionary, and York is getting left behind in developing civilised modern conditions to complement good public transport and safe cycle routes.

A city-wide policy would even cost less than the current piecemeal approach, that involves officers in surveys, processing data, responding to petitions and writing reports on each area to prioritise the growing number of requests.

Coun Andy D’Agorne, Green Party group leader, Broadway West, York.

COUN Ruth Potter, Labour transport spokesperson, writes that she looks forward to seeing safer, quieter and less polluted roads (20-20 Vision on safer city streets, August 3), due to the trialling of 20mph limits.

It seems that the good councillor is blind to obvious facts. How come I can drive my car along the A64 at 8am and achieve way over 40mpg and yet drive through York’s city streets at a similar time, snarled up with pinch points designed to deliberately slow down cars and am lucky to get 25mpg?

And the claim that slowing down traffic by 10mph reduces noise is ridiculous. It may reduce the peak decibels but has she not noticed that noise lasts longer as the traffic crawls by. I do accept the point of better safety at 20 mph – I suppose one out of three is not too bad for politics these days.

Bob Redwood, Main Street, Askham Bryan, York.

Comments(5)

Mister Sheen says...
6:04pm Tue 7 Sep 10

Erm.......sorry Andy....it was Cllr Tina Funnell that spearheaded the move for a 20mph limit outside Heworth School. This was to bring it into keeping with pretty much every other school in York. And it isn't done-deal - only the announcement of a consultation. The relevant Executive Member could still put the kaibosh on it!

Stevie D says...
12:10pm Wed 8 Sep 10

Having 20mph limits outside schools that are in force 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, is completely inappropriate.
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Yes, 20mph outside a school is right ... from about 8am to 9am and 3pm to 4pm on schooldays. That's 2 hours out of 24, on 200 days out of 365. In other words, the reduced speed limit is appropriate only 5% of the time. The other 95%, drivers are forced to slow down completely unnecessarily.
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There's a much better system in Sheffield/Derbys (can't remember which) where they have flashing lights outside schools, and the limit is 20mph when the lights are flashing and the usual 30mph the rest of the time. It works well, doesn't impede drivers unnecessarily, and more importantly, it highlights to them when they really do need to slow down and pay extra attention!

greenmonkey says...
12:32pm Wed 8 Sep 10

Stevie D is right that a part time limit could be more appropriate on a main road - have suggested same for bus lanes which would allow parking outside of morning peak but York doesnt do that and wants them to be consistent across the city.

However many schools are on side roads where a 20mph limit is appropriate 24/7 as applies in Portsmouth, Newcastle and in most of Europe - 30 is too fast where there are lots of parked cars, narrow streets, children and elderly trying to cross, dogs and cats etc

Stevie D says...
9:38pm Wed 8 Sep 10

greenmonkey wrote:
However many schools are on side roads where a 20mph limit is appropriate 24/7

If it's appropriate in residential areas 24/7 then it should be in place in residential areas 24/7 ... but it isn't, it is only there outside the school, and nothing is being done in the rest of the residential area.

Mister Sheen says...
6:15pm Thu 9 Sep 10

Just to provide further info on this.........it was originally proposed to install a 20mph limit for school-run times only, following a request from the police, so that emergency vehicles wouldn't unnecessarily be impeded. Now the police say that it would be impossible to police such a targeted speed limit and have argued for a permanent one!!! The fact that the stretch is an approach to traffic light means that it's quite difficult to get past 20mph anyway! The important part of this whole scheme is the increased attention to this particular primary school, on a very busy road, otherwise easily missed!


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