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Kirkham Abbey


WITH reference to getting the name right between Shambles and “The Shambles” (Let’s get it right, Letters, March 9), here’s another example.

Kirkham Priory was always Kirkham Abbey when we camped in the field behind the signal box in the 1940s, courtesy of Mr Turner the station master, whose son Ray was a club member of the Young Peoples Fellowship in York like us. If you don't agree, have a look at the signal box next time you are there.

George Appleby, Clifton, York.

Comments(7)

petethefeet says...
11:45pm Fri 12 Mar 10

Hi George. Kirkham was a priory, not an abbey. It was the railway company that got it wrong when they named the station "Kirkham Abbey".
Friars occupied priories whilst monks lived in Abbeys. Monks followed the rule of St Benedict and lived in self-sufficiency whilst friars relied on charitable support.

George Appleby says...
9:39am Sat 13 Mar 10

Sorry Pete,
We camped regularly in the field behind the signal box with a sign saying KIRKHAM ABBEY, by courtesy of the Station Master. He wasn't a monk, nor were there any at the ABBEY while we were there. We had more to do with the Quakers and they aren't monks. We are having a reunion lunch on the 29th at the indoor bowling club in Thaneck Road. I will put it to the vote and I don't think you will have a single vote in your favour.

All the road sign posts we followed were to KirKham ABBEY and it had free and open access on all sides. Not a monk in sight. As far as I know, there are no monks in the National Trust looking after the ABBEY now, who could contradict our right to call it Kirkham ABBEY and those who were there originally are long gone and dead.

It has always been my Kirkham ABBEY and always will be while I live.

George Appleby says...
8:40pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Hello again Pete,

I shot myself in the foot didn't I?. I should have been making my case against the absence of Friars not MONKS! I concede. It's my age.

petethefeet says...
9:06pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Hi George. Abbeys are populated by monks of the Benedictine and their offspring orders, e.g. Cistercian. St Marys in York was Benedictine and Fountains was Cistercian. All these 'Monks' followed the rule of St Benedict. By contrast, Friars (and Nuns) lived in Augustian Priories and followed the rule of St Augustine of Hippo. Kirkham was of the Augustinian order.
As stated, it was the Victorian railway company that got it wrong.

George Appleby says...
9:42am Sun 14 Mar 10

OK Pete

I accept you and others want to call our Kirkham ABBEY a Priory, including the present incumbents, by virtue of its medieval religious history. We will stick with the LNER with whom we shared a lot in our youth, still fresh in our memories.

Six of us lads camped in the station waiting room, after one of our bank holiday camps was waterlogged the weekend before, and we were drying out the tents. Passengers on the early morning Scarborough train next morning must have thought they were dreaming. Six half clad youths in the waiting room, eating breakfast round the coal burning stove, fueled from coal picked up off the lines, with kippers hanging on string from above. Just one of very many happy times and Priories were never even thought of.

petethefeet says...
2:05pm Sun 14 Mar 10

George Appleby wrote:
OK Pete I accept you and others want to call our Kirkham ABBEY a Priory, including the present incumbents, by virtue of its medieval religious history. We will stick with the LNER with whom we shared a lot in our youth, still fresh in our memories. Six of us lads camped in the station waiting room, after one of our bank holiday camps was waterlogged the weekend before, and we were drying out the tents. Passengers on the early morning Scarborough train next morning must have thought they were dreaming. Six half clad youths in the waiting room, eating breakfast round the coal burning stove, fueled from coal picked up off the lines, with kippers hanging on string from above. Just one of very many happy times and Priories were never even thought of.
Back in the seventies/eighties, we would 'wild-camp' in Scotland. Unfortunately, over time we began running into bother with landowners and Gillies and thus were forced into official camp-sites. The good news is that Scotlands Freedom-of-access laws now allows people the right to camp on wild land. We still go camping, but in our fifties & sixties, we prefer a shower at night and a pub nearby. So we stick with the campsites.

George Appleby says...
9:42pm Sun 14 Mar 10

Thanks for sharing your memories Pete.


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