Falling foul of council ‘propaganda’

M J Natt highlights the differences between 20mph zones and 20mph limits

M J Natt highlights the differences between 20mph zones and 20mph limits

First published in Letters by

ONCE again we see (Letter, Mr Hayden, August 19) how the public falls foul of the council’s propaganda.

I thought the Press article to which he refers made it perfectly clear that there are 20mph zones and 20mph limits. Zones address roads where speeds exceed 20 mph and are traffic calmed (humps, etc).

Limits are for roads where traffic is already travelling at 20mph or less and both are therefore self-enforcing.

Clearly if traffic moves along his street at more than 20mph (not sure how he measures this), then it should not have been made into a 20mph limit but into a 20mph zone with humps.

Then again, the blanket 20mph limit was pushed through against the popular vote of seven to 13,000 due to a minority with vested interests. Obviously once again the council has failed by introducing the wrong system (probably also against legal advice).

M J Natt, Collision Investigations, Orchard Close, York.

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11:24am Thu 21 Aug 14

marvell says...

You're right about vested interests. The shameless Cllr Anna Semlyen is a paid employee of a national 20mph campaign group. She became a councillor for one reason only - and that was to abuse her priveleges as a councillor by internally influencing council policy to ensure that the roll out of 20mph zones happened. This ill thought out scheme has wasted £600,000 of public money.

Now she has achieved her goal she has announced she is not standing for re-election next year. A single term councillor who did pitifully little for the ward she represented due to her preoccupation with 20mph.
You're right about vested interests. The shameless Cllr Anna Semlyen is a paid employee of a national 20mph campaign group. She became a councillor for one reason only - and that was to abuse her priveleges as a councillor by internally influencing council policy to ensure that the roll out of 20mph zones happened. This ill thought out scheme has wasted £600,000 of public money. Now she has achieved her goal she has announced she is not standing for re-election next year. A single term councillor who did pitifully little for the ward she represented due to her preoccupation with 20mph. marvell
  • Score: -69

12:21pm Thu 21 Aug 14

York2000 says...

''ONCE again we see (Letter, Mr Hayden, August 19) how the public falls foul of the council’s propaganda.''

Wrong. All the public are seeing is the dirty business of local government on the pages of the city's newspaper website. You're part of the problem too.
''ONCE again we see (Letter, Mr Hayden, August 19) how the public falls foul of the council’s propaganda.'' Wrong. All the public are seeing is the dirty business of local government on the pages of the city's newspaper website. You're part of the problem too. York2000
  • Score: 71

2:53pm Thu 21 Aug 14

julia brica says...

She is an ambassador of green initiatives indeed she opened her own house to advertise the virtues of that very concept.
She is to be commended for that selfless education to us all to our benefit.
She is an ambassador of green initiatives indeed she opened her own house to advertise the virtues of that very concept. She is to be commended for that selfless education to us all to our benefit. julia brica
  • Score: -82

3:40pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Fanny Free House says...

Take a look at this link from the BBC about road accident deaths between 1999 and 2010.

You can get details specifically for York, the question is has the money been well spent or is the real problem being ignored.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-15975720
Take a look at this link from the BBC about road accident deaths between 1999 and 2010. You can get details specifically for York, the question is has the money been well spent or is the real problem being ignored. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-15975720 Fanny Free House
  • Score: -60

7:19pm Thu 21 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

julia brica wrote:
She is an ambassador of green initiatives indeed she opened her own house to advertise the virtues of that very concept.
She is to be commended for that selfless education to us all to our benefit.
Do I detect a note of sarcasm in your comment?
[quote][p][bold]julia brica[/bold] wrote: She is an ambassador of green initiatives indeed she opened her own house to advertise the virtues of that very concept. She is to be commended for that selfless education to us all to our benefit.[/p][/quote]Do I detect a note of sarcasm in your comment? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -36

7:24pm Thu 21 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

York2000 wrote:
''ONCE again we see (Letter, Mr Hayden, August 19) how the public falls foul of the council’s propaganda.''

Wrong. All the public are seeing is the dirty business of local government on the pages of the city's newspaper website. You're part of the problem too.
Why is the writer part of the problem? at least he gave an explanation between the two i.e. Limit and zone, which I have to admit I was not aware of.
[quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: ''ONCE again we see (Letter, Mr Hayden, August 19) how the public falls foul of the council’s propaganda.'' Wrong. All the public are seeing is the dirty business of local government on the pages of the city's newspaper website. You're part of the problem too.[/p][/quote]Why is the writer part of the problem? at least he gave an explanation between the two i.e. Limit and zone, which I have to admit I was not aware of. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -47

7:52pm Thu 21 Aug 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Much the same as many minority campaigners Anne has had the council waste our money and then off she rides into the sunset. As a side effect her lobbying has further endangered our health through increasing fuel consumption and adding to pollution.

The council say pollution causes about 190 deaths in York each year and the AA say driving at 20 mph increases fuel consumption by 10%. So it would appear this ill thought out little wheeze is likely to kill more people than accidents if the council a correct about the effects of pollution.
Much the same as many minority campaigners Anne has had the council waste our money and then off she rides into the sunset. As a side effect her lobbying has further endangered our health through increasing fuel consumption and adding to pollution. The council say pollution causes about 190 deaths in York each year and the AA say driving at 20 mph increases fuel consumption by 10%. So it would appear this ill thought out little wheeze is likely to kill more people than accidents if the council a correct about the effects of pollution. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -30

11:13pm Thu 21 Aug 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

marvell had it bang on, she got what she wanted and cleared off. Seen it all to often before.
I'm just about to get my vacuum cleaner out as apparently they are causing global warming. (News this evening) Maybe this will delay me putting the heating on?
marvell had it bang on, she got what she wanted and cleared off. Seen it all to often before. I'm just about to get my vacuum cleaner out as apparently they are causing global warming. (News this evening) Maybe this will delay me putting the heating on? ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -81
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