Where will all the extra traffic go?

Haxby has now grown into a town

Haxby has now grown into a town

First published in Letters by

THE letter headlined “A proper Yorker” (Letters, August 9) appears to be a comment from someone unaffected by the Local Plan.

Over the years I have seen the village of Haxby grow into a town without any extra infrastructure. We now have tailbacks going into York, not only on York Road but Wigginton Road and Strensall Road and the amount of housing proposed for these areas would bring the area to a standstill.

But that is only part of the problem. It is estimated that Haxby alone will have a population increase of around 40 per cent.

There are no proposals concerning drainage, which I have been informed is already at maximum and would require extra pumping stations to cope with the 1,550 extra houses proposed to the north of Haxby.

As far as the “thousands of new shoppers,” the ring road cannot cope with the traffic now, so where are you going to put all the extra cars and lorries? York council made a mistake with the ring road years ago and again did not listen to the local inhabitants and now try to alleviate the problem by making bigger roundabouts to stop all the tailbacks. It does not work.

The plan will affect all the people of York, not only the outlying villages.

R Stevenson, Haxby, York.

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12:09pm Sat 16 Aug 14

pedalling paul says...

The writer does not detail the "mistake" which CoYC allegedly made years ago. However he/she may be unaware that the A1237 was designed by N Yorks County Council. adopted by the Highways Agency, and only detrunked and handed to CoYC after that Unitary Authority was creared.
York has inherited the A1237 in its present form, and is wholly dependant on Whitehall grants to fund future major changes.
This currently does not include the £millions that would be needed for full dualling.
And if dualling was ever achieved, how few years would the benefits last, until induced traffic clogs it up? Not worth the cost.
The writer does not detail the "mistake" which CoYC allegedly made years ago. However he/she may be unaware that the A1237 was designed by N Yorks County Council. adopted by the Highways Agency, and only detrunked and handed to CoYC after that Unitary Authority was creared. York has inherited the A1237 in its present form, and is wholly dependant on Whitehall grants to fund future major changes. This currently does not include the £millions that would be needed for full dualling. And if dualling was ever achieved, how few years would the benefits last, until induced traffic clogs it up? Not worth the cost. pedalling paul
  • Score: -2388

4:35pm Sat 16 Aug 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Rubbish, pedalling paul, The original 1237 roundabouts were tiny things that HGV's couldn't negotiate and the idea was to take heavy traffic out of York. Accepted that the original responsibility was NYCC but what has CoYC done to help since?
Talking of duelling, I thought that was happening until I found out that it was a new cycle track going down. (And hardly used) So, where is the new carriageway going to go? Truth is that CoYC have no intentions of duelling the single carriageway of the bypass and also of insisting new relief roads to service the thousands of new houses around York proposed.
Masters of chaos and congestion, that's what they are. Just don't give me any AGW Co2 rubbish next time they close a bridge.
Rubbish, pedalling paul, The original 1237 roundabouts were tiny things that HGV's couldn't negotiate and the idea was to take heavy traffic out of York. Accepted that the original responsibility was NYCC but what has CoYC done to help since? Talking of duelling, I thought that was happening until I found out that it was a new cycle track going down. (And hardly used) So, where is the new carriageway going to go? Truth is that CoYC have no intentions of duelling the single carriageway of the bypass and also of insisting new relief roads to service the thousands of new houses around York proposed. Masters of chaos and congestion, that's what they are. Just don't give me any AGW Co2 rubbish next time they close a bridge. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 386

4:47pm Sat 16 Aug 14

roadwars says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The writer does not detail the "mistake" which CoYC allegedly made years ago. However he/she may be unaware that the A1237 was designed by N Yorks County Council. adopted by the Highways Agency, and only detrunked and handed to CoYC after that Unitary Authority was creared.
York has inherited the A1237 in its present form, and is wholly dependant on Whitehall grants to fund future major changes.
This currently does not include the £millions that would be needed for full dualling.
And if dualling was ever achieved, how few years would the benefits last, until induced traffic clogs it up? Not worth the cost.
No Paul, the point of the letter is very accurate. This council, like evey one before it and every one after it will push ahead with plans at the lowest cost, building on the cheapest land and paying no attention to future consequenses (because they will have moved on). It is simply not acceptable to keep building without proper planning consideration just to meet "targets".
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The writer does not detail the "mistake" which CoYC allegedly made years ago. However he/she may be unaware that the A1237 was designed by N Yorks County Council. adopted by the Highways Agency, and only detrunked and handed to CoYC after that Unitary Authority was creared. York has inherited the A1237 in its present form, and is wholly dependant on Whitehall grants to fund future major changes. This currently does not include the £millions that would be needed for full dualling. And if dualling was ever achieved, how few years would the benefits last, until induced traffic clogs it up? Not worth the cost.[/p][/quote]No Paul, the point of the letter is very accurate. This council, like evey one before it and every one after it will push ahead with plans at the lowest cost, building on the cheapest land and paying no attention to future consequenses (because they will have moved on). It is simply not acceptable to keep building without proper planning consideration just to meet "targets". roadwars
  • Score: -1126

4:51pm Sat 16 Aug 14

courier46 says...

The answer is GOD KNOWS WHERE IT WILL GO because this council certainly don't have a clue!
The answer is GOD KNOWS WHERE IT WILL GO because this council certainly don't have a clue! courier46
  • Score: 47

7:32pm Sat 16 Aug 14

bolero says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The writer does not detail the "mistake" which CoYC allegedly made years ago. However he/she may be unaware that the A1237 was designed by N Yorks County Council. adopted by the Highways Agency, and only detrunked and handed to CoYC after that Unitary Authority was creared.
York has inherited the A1237 in its present form, and is wholly dependant on Whitehall grants to fund future major changes.
This currently does not include the £millions that would be needed for full dualling.
And if dualling was ever achieved, how few years would the benefits last, until induced traffic clogs it up? Not worth the cost.
As you seem to know so much, can you tell us when the cyclists bridge at Haxby on the A1237 will be completed? This will of course help to relieve the traffic problems as more people get on their bikes. Perhaps they may even need to dual the cycle path as it is so well used.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The writer does not detail the "mistake" which CoYC allegedly made years ago. However he/she may be unaware that the A1237 was designed by N Yorks County Council. adopted by the Highways Agency, and only detrunked and handed to CoYC after that Unitary Authority was creared. York has inherited the A1237 in its present form, and is wholly dependant on Whitehall grants to fund future major changes. This currently does not include the £millions that would be needed for full dualling. And if dualling was ever achieved, how few years would the benefits last, until induced traffic clogs it up? Not worth the cost.[/p][/quote]As you seem to know so much, can you tell us when the cyclists bridge at Haxby on the A1237 will be completed? This will of course help to relieve the traffic problems as more people get on their bikes. Perhaps they may even need to dual the cycle path as it is so well used. bolero
  • Score: -1208

9:11pm Sat 16 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The writer does not detail the "mistake" which CoYC allegedly made years ago. However he/she may be unaware that the A1237 was designed by N Yorks County Council. adopted by the Highways Agency, and only detrunked and handed to CoYC after that Unitary Authority was creared.
York has inherited the A1237 in its present form, and is wholly dependant on Whitehall grants to fund future major changes.
This currently does not include the £millions that would be needed for full dualling.
And if dualling was ever achieved, how few years would the benefits last, until induced traffic clogs it up? Not worth the cost.
Mr Hepworth again trolling out his well worn comments......induce
d traffic... Where is carmageddon Paul.
If the new housing goes ahead do you think that everyone will have a bike or use the bus, you live in a fantasy world Paul.
It amazes me that when the so called experts spout we are going to build new houses to meet the demand, even you with your twisted take on life must realise that new infrastructure comes first,.
It's a bit like closing a bridge off with absolutely no thought of where all the traffic will go, does that sound familiar?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The writer does not detail the "mistake" which CoYC allegedly made years ago. However he/she may be unaware that the A1237 was designed by N Yorks County Council. adopted by the Highways Agency, and only detrunked and handed to CoYC after that Unitary Authority was creared. York has inherited the A1237 in its present form, and is wholly dependant on Whitehall grants to fund future major changes. This currently does not include the £millions that would be needed for full dualling. And if dualling was ever achieved, how few years would the benefits last, until induced traffic clogs it up? Not worth the cost.[/p][/quote]Mr Hepworth again trolling out his well worn comments......induce d traffic... Where is carmageddon Paul. If the new housing goes ahead do you think that everyone will have a bike or use the bus, you live in a fantasy world Paul. It amazes me that when the so called experts spout we are going to build new houses to meet the demand, even you with your twisted take on life must realise that new infrastructure comes first,. It's a bit like closing a bridge off with absolutely no thought of where all the traffic will go, does that sound familiar? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -919

1:38am Sun 17 Aug 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Looks like the Council score adjuster is at it again !
Looks like the Council score adjuster is at it again ! ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -1207

2:45am Sun 17 Aug 14

Magicman! says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Looks like the Council score adjuster is at it again !
Indeed... how long was it after The Press managed to 'resolve' the issue before it was hacked by the Labour supporter with no life? about 2 weeks?

Anyways, seeing as the sensible views on this subject would be counter to the current labour policy of "sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away whilst we lavish money on frivolous things which primarily benefit tourists and not residents", then I shall not comment any more than the above on this.

Go on score adjuster, let's see how little an interesting life you have - the more -'ve votes for this, the less of a life you have!
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Looks like the Council score adjuster is at it again ![/p][/quote]Indeed... how long was it after The Press managed to 'resolve' the issue before it was hacked by the Labour supporter with no life? about 2 weeks? Anyways, seeing as the sensible views on this subject would be counter to the current labour policy of "sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away whilst we lavish money on frivolous things which primarily benefit tourists and not residents", then I shall not comment any more than the above on this. Go on score adjuster, let's see how little an interesting life you have - the more -'ve votes for this, the less of a life you have! Magicman!
  • Score: -1349

10:23am Sun 17 Aug 14

bolero says...

Paul, if you have nothing better to do than adjust the scores on these postings; then you are obviously a very, very sad individual and it's about time you sought help.
Paul, if you have nothing better to do than adjust the scores on these postings; then you are obviously a very, very sad individual and it's about time you sought help. bolero
  • Score: -1161

10:45am Sun 17 Aug 14

bolero says...

The cycle/pedestrian path alongside the A1237 from Haxby to Clifton Moor cost I think £600,000 and was programmed to be completed by Spring 2014. It was alleged that its lack of use was due to the fact that it was incomplete inasmuch that it is necessary to construct an overbridge across the Scarborough railway line at Haxby. It was suggested that this would happen in September 2014. I wonder if this is still the intention or will it never actually happen and was it just another Hepworth dream and Merrett folly which has wasted even more of taxpayers' money.
The cycle/pedestrian path alongside the A1237 from Haxby to Clifton Moor cost I think £600,000 and was programmed to be completed by Spring 2014. It was alleged that its lack of use was due to the fact that it was incomplete inasmuch that it is necessary to construct an overbridge across the Scarborough railway line at Haxby. It was suggested that this would happen in September 2014. I wonder if this is still the intention or will it never actually happen and was it just another Hepworth dream and Merrett folly which has wasted even more of taxpayers' money. bolero
  • Score: -1042

11:34am Sun 17 Aug 14

Jack Ham says...

Excellent letter.

Interestingly the suburbs that Labour plan to destroy with their disastrous Local Plan proposals contain seats they will never have a chance of winning.

Many of our Labour politicians are shortsighted, driven by bizarre ideological dogma and the welfare of residents of York is very, very low on their list of priorities.

If the plan goes ahead as Labour propose it will devastate the future of many communities.
Excellent letter. Interestingly the suburbs that Labour plan to destroy with their disastrous Local Plan proposals contain seats they will never have a chance of winning. Many of our Labour politicians are shortsighted, driven by bizarre ideological dogma and the welfare of residents of York is very, very low on their list of priorities. If the plan goes ahead as Labour propose it will devastate the future of many communities. Jack Ham
  • Score: -1018

12:05pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Back and Beyond says...

bolero wrote:
The cycle/pedestrian path alongside the A1237 from Haxby to Clifton Moor cost I think £600,000 and was programmed to be completed by Spring 2014. It was alleged that its lack of use was due to the fact that it was incomplete inasmuch that it is necessary to construct an overbridge across the Scarborough railway line at Haxby. It was suggested that this would happen in September 2014. I wonder if this is still the intention or will it never actually happen and was it just another Hepworth dream and Merrett folly which has wasted even more of taxpayers' money.
If the bridge does happen I hope it's constructed better than the cycle track that's already in place. I don't think the large cracks that have appeared in the surface are from the predicted thousands of cyclists that were to have benefited from the scheme.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: The cycle/pedestrian path alongside the A1237 from Haxby to Clifton Moor cost I think £600,000 and was programmed to be completed by Spring 2014. It was alleged that its lack of use was due to the fact that it was incomplete inasmuch that it is necessary to construct an overbridge across the Scarborough railway line at Haxby. It was suggested that this would happen in September 2014. I wonder if this is still the intention or will it never actually happen and was it just another Hepworth dream and Merrett folly which has wasted even more of taxpayers' money.[/p][/quote]If the bridge does happen I hope it's constructed better than the cycle track that's already in place. I don't think the large cracks that have appeared in the surface are from the predicted thousands of cyclists that were to have benefited from the scheme. Back and Beyond
  • Score: -862

12:28pm Sun 17 Aug 14

goatman says...

Whilst it is all very nice to see lots of happy cyclists pedalling along, the have to be coming from somewhere and be travelling for a specific purpose to another destination. If you take Clifton Moor for example, there are very few safe places to leave a cycle, and it is dangerous to walk between the groups of shops on foot. It is also impractical as a shopping destination by cycle unless you are making a journey for small or lightweight items, yet there seems to be an inordinate amount of money and resource spent on access designed to bikes. I visit there a lot from my home at Wigginton, but it is IMHO unsafe and impractical to do the journey by bike.
Whilst it is all very nice to see lots of happy cyclists pedalling along, the have to be coming from somewhere and be travelling for a specific purpose to another destination. If you take Clifton Moor for example, there are very few safe places to leave a cycle, and it is dangerous to walk between the groups of shops on foot. It is also impractical as a shopping destination by cycle unless you are making a journey for small or lightweight items, yet there seems to be an inordinate amount of money and resource spent on access designed to bikes. I visit there a lot from my home at Wigginton, but it is IMHO unsafe and impractical to do the journey by bike. goatman
  • Score: -767

5:29pm Sun 17 Aug 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Yes but think of the Co2 targets, to some they are worth bankrupting ourselves for!
Yes but think of the Co2 targets, to some they are worth bankrupting ourselves for! ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -791

6:10pm Sun 17 Aug 14

bolero says...

Notice, no denial from Paul. Saddo.
Notice, no denial from Paul. Saddo. bolero
  • Score: -902

11:20pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Omega Point says...

I think PP is a nice man and cycles are good, mummy. Can that nice man give me thousand points please
I think PP is a nice man and cycles are good, mummy. Can that nice man give me thousand points please Omega Point
  • Score: -602

12:30am Mon 18 Aug 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Do the current council care about where all the traffic will go? Well they probably do because they make sure it is restricted to certain routes on which they then induce congestion with their needless traffic lights and many other anti car measures. They then tell us we have an increasing congestion problem, note not a volume problem, which will not go away so they need to close a bridge.

Mr Levene appears to believe he can bring York residents round with a few mind games and that we will be agreeing with him in the near future. We shall all abandon our cars and go back to a time where only the rich use cars and have leisure time. The rest of us will spend the greater part of our lives traveling to and from work on our bikes or travelling to and from the shops on a bus. Any remaining time will be spent in the shower cleaning up after our exhausting journey and applying deodorant, assuming we can afford the energy to warm the water. Mind you according to some we will have saved the planet which we are no longer able to enjoy.
Do the current council care about where all the traffic will go? Well they probably do because they make sure it is restricted to certain routes on which they then induce congestion with their needless traffic lights and many other anti car measures. They then tell us we have an increasing congestion problem, note not a volume problem, which will not go away so they need to close a bridge. Mr Levene appears to believe he can bring York residents round with a few mind games and that we will be agreeing with him in the near future. We shall all abandon our cars and go back to a time where only the rich use cars and have leisure time. The rest of us will spend the greater part of our lives traveling to and from work on our bikes or travelling to and from the shops on a bus. Any remaining time will be spent in the shower cleaning up after our exhausting journey and applying deodorant, assuming we can afford the energy to warm the water. Mind you according to some we will have saved the planet which we are no longer able to enjoy. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -613

7:46am Mon 18 Aug 14

Y.I.P. says...

Not rocket science you know,just dump your cars and get a bike,i bike everywhere,keeps me fit, (and goodlooking)
Not rocket science you know,just dump your cars and get a bike,i bike everywhere,keeps me fit, (and goodlooking) Y.I.P.
  • Score: 138

8:43am Mon 18 Aug 14

bolero says...

Y.I.P. wrote:
Not rocket science you know,just dump your cars and get a bike,i bike everywhere,keeps me fit, (and goodlooking)
I wonder if the P stands for Paul?
[quote][p][bold]Y.I.P.[/bold] wrote: Not rocket science you know,just dump your cars and get a bike,i bike everywhere,keeps me fit, (and goodlooking)[/p][/quote]I wonder if the P stands for Paul? bolero
  • Score: -7

10:11am Mon 18 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Y.I.P. wrote:
Not rocket science you know,just dump your cars and get a bike,i bike everywhere,keeps me fit, (and goodlooking)
And smug as well!!!, I love me, I love my bike!, try getting a girl friend, you never know it may cure that great big self opinion of your self, whats that you say? you can't keep a girl friend! wow what a surprise!
[quote][p][bold]Y.I.P.[/bold] wrote: Not rocket science you know,just dump your cars and get a bike,i bike everywhere,keeps me fit, (and goodlooking)[/p][/quote]And smug as well!!!, I love me, I love my bike!, try getting a girl friend, you never know it may cure that great big self opinion of your self, whats that you say? you can't keep a girl friend! wow what a surprise! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -12

1:40pm Mon 18 Aug 14

vanmildert says...

Y.I.P. wrote:
Not rocket science you know,just dump your cars and get a bike,i bike everywhere,keeps me fit, (and goodlooking)
Agreed! Also the drivers on that side of town are the worst when it comes to respect for cyclists and other drivers.
[quote][p][bold]Y.I.P.[/bold] wrote: Not rocket science you know,just dump your cars and get a bike,i bike everywhere,keeps me fit, (and goodlooking)[/p][/quote]Agreed! Also the drivers on that side of town are the worst when it comes to respect for cyclists and other drivers. vanmildert
  • Score: 2

12:55pm Wed 20 Aug 14

/kev/null says...

We've got to put humans somewhere. I hope the author of this letter wasn't so short-sighted as to reproduce at some point during his or her life, as it's clearly these reproducing humans who are the problem.
We've got to put humans somewhere. I hope the author of this letter wasn't so short-sighted as to reproduce at some point during his or her life, as it's clearly these reproducing humans who are the problem. /kev/null
  • Score: -1

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