All things NICE?

All things NICE?

All things NICE?

First published in Letters by

CAN it be explained to me why successive governments accept NICE, National Institute for Clinical Excellence, advices on how our NHS should spend our money on drugs and operations, being told on most occasions that we can’t afford them?

Yet we can afford to send money for foreign aid.

Donald Munro, St George’s Place, York.

Comments (9)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

10:30am Sat 16 Aug 14

sheps lad says...

C'mon CHISSY here's one for you!
C'mon CHISSY here's one for you! sheps lad
  • Score: 1

11:53am Sat 16 Aug 14

Fanny Free House says...

Two recent cases where cancer treatments which could benefit patients have been rejected by NICE based on cost.

Strange that the hundreds of millions £'s donations to cancer research each year, often made by those that can least afford it is being used to develop drugs that will only be available to people who can pay.

I would never suggest that the donations stop, but there has to be a point at which the funds might be more practically used to ensure people benefit from whats already been developed rather than developing more treatments available only to those able to pay.
Two recent cases where cancer treatments which could benefit patients have been rejected by NICE based on cost. Strange that the hundreds of millions £'s donations to cancer research each year, often made by those that can least afford it is being used to develop drugs that will only be available to people who can pay. I would never suggest that the donations stop, but there has to be a point at which the funds might be more practically used to ensure people benefit from whats already been developed rather than developing more treatments available only to those able to pay. Fanny Free House
  • Score: -29

6:14pm Sat 16 Aug 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Good letter and good response, 'fanny free.'
We can't afford £50 Billion for HS2 but but our politicians are pushing ahead with it. Wind turbines and bio fuel make no economical sense but they go ahead just to help meet silly targets.
While we are borrowing money, adding to our £1.4 Billion National debt we borrow even more to give away 0.7% of our GDP to countries that don't need it, just to make the target again. Take oil rich Nigeria for example, they have a Space agency and the President has not one but two Presidential jets at his disposal.
Some of our MP's say they are very proud to give our money away like this. I wonder if they are so proud that many of our tax paying people die sooner than they might have because of costs, when treatment is available.
And how many thousands have been seen off early via the Liverpool Care Pathway in order to free a hospital bed, give the hospital a bonus and another pension saved?
I wouldn't like to see British research stop but it is a close call if charity money could pay for existing treatment. Better still, stop wasting our money and we can do both.
Good letter and good response, 'fanny free.' We can't afford £50 Billion for HS2 but but our politicians are pushing ahead with it. Wind turbines and bio fuel make no economical sense but they go ahead just to help meet silly targets. While we are borrowing money, adding to our £1.4 Billion National debt we borrow even more to give away 0.7% of our GDP to countries that don't need it, just to make the target again. Take oil rich Nigeria for example, they have a Space agency and the President has not one but two Presidential jets at his disposal. Some of our MP's say they are very proud to give our money away like this. I wonder if they are so proud that many of our tax paying people die sooner than they might have because of costs, when treatment is available. And how many thousands have been seen off early via the Liverpool Care Pathway in order to free a hospital bed, give the hospital a bonus and another pension saved? I wouldn't like to see British research stop but it is a close call if charity money could pay for existing treatment. Better still, stop wasting our money and we can do both. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -30

2:50am Sun 17 Aug 14

Magicman! says...

Here's another question, and one for the vote-hacker to put at -50....
Considering the NHS budget for areas in Yorkshire generally seems to be about the same in terms of proportion to population and population density, why is it that the York area of the NHS seems to be in debt constantly and yet not be providing anywhere near the level of services and treatments that a person would get in West Yorkshire for example?
Here's another question, and one for the vote-hacker to put at -50.... Considering the NHS budget for areas in Yorkshire generally seems to be about the same in terms of proportion to population and population density, why is it that the York area of the NHS seems to be in debt constantly and yet not be providing anywhere near the level of services and treatments that a person would get in West Yorkshire for example? Magicman!
  • Score: 3

8:41am Sun 17 Aug 14

Thecynic says...

Some excellent responses above. Let me firstly just correct an error, the National debt is not £1.4 Billion, it is currently around £1.4 Trillion! (that is £1,400 Billion) This Government inherited a National debt figure of around £700 Billion from Labour, and in the last 5 years or so have managed to increase the National debt to it's current level of approximately DOUBLE the amount that they inherited.
To borrow money on the Nations 'Credit Card' so that you can 'give it away' when we are now in more debt than we (as a Country) have ever been before, is complete madness, and shows just how out of touch those who rule over us are.
To borrow, then spend another £50 Billion, (that's £50,000 Million) to build a high speed rail link is another madcap idea. It might benefit a small minority of the UK population? and a few businesses too, but just think what this amount of money could do for a much higher percentage of the UK population were it used more sensibly. The high speed rail link will not see any return on that sort of investment before our grandchildren are collecting their pensions! If then? And, as with most things the government 'touches', this £50 Billion will more than likely end up costing even more! Maybe even double that figure!
Some excellent responses above. Let me firstly just correct an error, the National debt is not £1.4 Billion, it is currently around £1.4 Trillion! (that is £1,400 Billion) This Government inherited a National debt figure of around £700 Billion from Labour, and in the last 5 years or so have managed to increase the National debt to it's current level of approximately DOUBLE the amount that they inherited. To borrow money on the Nations 'Credit Card' so that you can 'give it away' when we are now in more debt than we (as a Country) have ever been before, is complete madness, and shows just how out of touch those who rule over us are. To borrow, then spend another £50 Billion, (that's £50,000 Million) to build a high speed rail link is another madcap idea. It might benefit a small minority of the UK population? and a few businesses too, but just think what this amount of money could do for a much higher percentage of the UK population were it used more sensibly. The high speed rail link will not see any return on that sort of investment before our grandchildren are collecting their pensions! If then? And, as with most things the government 'touches', this £50 Billion will more than likely end up costing even more! Maybe even double that figure! Thecynic
  • Score: 9

11:28am Sun 17 Aug 14

Scores On The Doors says...

I was thinking why would comments such as those made by Fanny Free and Cold as attract negative scores.

Then made this link:

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/11412788
.Royal_Dragoon_Guard
s_parade_marks_First
_World_War_Centenary
/#commentsList

Interesting to note.
I was thinking why would comments such as those made by Fanny Free and Cold as attract negative scores. Then made this link: http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/11412788 .Royal_Dragoon_Guard s_parade_marks_First _World_War_Centenary /#commentsList Interesting to note. Scores On The Doors
  • Score: 4

2:30pm Sun 17 Aug 14

graph82 says...

Although in principle the NICE recommendations are guidelines, NHS England and Clinical Commissioning groups must must ‘provide clear reasons for any general policy that does not follow NICE guidance’ so in answer to your question the NHS don't really have any choice about if to follow the recommendations.

The UK spend less than one per-cent of national spending on aid, which is amongst the lowest in the world, rather than cutting this the NHS could save money is by getting rid of the highly paid managers with no medical experience who are running the NHS and get rid of the tendering process where more and more services are been privatised which in an expensive procedure.
Although in principle the NICE recommendations are guidelines, NHS England and Clinical Commissioning groups must must ‘provide clear reasons for any general policy that does not follow NICE guidance’ so in answer to your question the NHS don't really have any choice about if to follow the recommendations. The UK spend less than one per-cent of national spending on aid, which is amongst the lowest in the world, rather than cutting this the NHS could save money is by getting rid of the highly paid managers with no medical experience who are running the NHS and get rid of the tendering process where more and more services are been privatised which in an expensive procedure. graph82
  • Score: 0

9:24am Mon 18 Aug 14

old_geezer says...

Further to graph82: we soon may not be able to get rid of the tendering process. Our government is about to sign us up to TTIP (look it up, folks!) which unless altered at the last minute could render the UK liable to actions for damages if we don't open the NHS to private tender. Similar trade agreements have already led to many corporate suits against countries adopting policies e.g. against GM, banning cigarette advertising or phasing out nuclear power.
Further to graph82: we soon may not be able to get rid of the tendering process. Our government is about to sign us up to TTIP (look it up, folks!) which unless altered at the last minute could render the UK liable to actions for damages if we don't open the NHS to private tender. Similar trade agreements have already led to many corporate suits against countries adopting policies e.g. against GM, banning cigarette advertising or phasing out nuclear power. old_geezer
  • Score: 1

11:57pm Mon 18 Aug 14

gwen4me says...

Our NHS is overloaded because we havecan aging population, our dietary habits are making us unhealthy and we dont get enough excercise. Its no use blaming the government.
Our NHS is overloaded because we havecan aging population, our dietary habits are making us unhealthy and we dont get enough excercise. Its no use blaming the government. gwen4me
  • Score: 6

Comments are closed on this article.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree