Focus on mobile speed cameras

A mobile speed camera unit in operation

A mobile speed camera unit in operation

First published in Letters by

I AM pleased to see Julia Mulligan is “absolutely committed to improving road safety in our region” (More mobile speed cameras for roads of North Yorkshire, July 30).

But how can the doubling of speed cameras be justified when there has been a significant increase in road deaths since their introduction?

Travelling extensively across North Yorkshire I frequently see the camera vans, but never at locations notorious for accidents. Surely these are a political tool to placate the uninformed.

Almost as an aside at the end of your piece, regarding the speed cameras, a spokeswoman announced the formation of a “new unit to bring together all roads policing”.

If they look in the back of dusty cupboards at Newby Wiske they will find a folder marked “Road Traffic Department - disbanded early ‘80s”. There is nothing new in the police service.

Roger Smith, Sand Hutton.

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11:32am Fri 1 Aug 14

The Great Buda says...

The answer is these "safety" vans have got nothing to do with safety. They are about profit.

If only Julia Mulligan could be as serious about safety as she is about money.
The answer is these "safety" vans have got nothing to do with safety. They are about profit. If only Julia Mulligan could be as serious about safety as she is about money. The Great Buda
  • Score: 8

12:13pm Fri 1 Aug 14

roadwars says...

The Great Buda wrote:
The answer is these "safety" vans have got nothing to do with safety. They are about profit.

If only Julia Mulligan could be as serious about safety as she is about money.
Don't kid yourself, without the risk of being caught by one of these cameras there would be far more people driving way above the speed limit, I can't be the only one who drives a bit slower because of the risk of being caught.

The problem with speeding drivers (and that's a lot of us at some times) is that we all see what we're doing as "not too bad" or "not as bad as him that just overtook me". I know people who regularly drive 20-30mph over the limit and they excuse it by saying they are good drivers and have never hit anyone because they are in control, the problem is their behaviour will only stop when it is too late.

I could say that I get drunk and then drive (I don't) but because I haven't killed anyone yet then I must be good at it, not sure this would wash...
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: The answer is these "safety" vans have got nothing to do with safety. They are about profit. If only Julia Mulligan could be as serious about safety as she is about money.[/p][/quote]Don't kid yourself, without the risk of being caught by one of these cameras there would be far more people driving way above the speed limit, I can't be the only one who drives a bit slower because of the risk of being caught. The problem with speeding drivers (and that's a lot of us at some times) is that we all see what we're doing as "not too bad" or "not as bad as him that just overtook me". I know people who regularly drive 20-30mph over the limit and they excuse it by saying they are good drivers and have never hit anyone because they are in control, the problem is their behaviour will only stop when it is too late. I could say that I get drunk and then drive (I don't) but because I haven't killed anyone yet then I must be good at it, not sure this would wash... roadwars
  • Score: 4

12:40pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Stevie D says...

roadwars wrote:
Don't kid yourself, without the risk of being caught by one of these cameras there would be far more people driving way above the speed limit, I can't be the only one who drives a bit slower because of the risk of being caught.

You're missing the point.

Virtually no-one objects to all enforcement of speed limits. There are plenty of places where I would be happy to see a fixed camera or a mobile camera van, because there are plenty of places where people break the speed limit and it really isn't safe to do so. Thankfully some of the worst locations locally (mostly on the A19 and A64) have had highway improvements to make them safer, but there are still other danger spots.

But I rarely see the camera vans in those places. They are more often on roads where there is no significant danger from drivers breaking the limit by 10 or 20mph. We all know that speed limits are a very blunt tool and that they don't always (or even often) bear much relationship to what is actually safe on a particular road. But the cameras are all too often deployed on roads where it is safe to exceed the speed limit, and drivers who are driving safely are penalised.

If the police were serious about improving safety rather than making money, they would put the mobile cameras out at known accident blackspots, rather than where they can catch the most drivers speeding.
[quote][bold]roadwars[/bold] wrote: Don't kid yourself, without the risk of being caught by one of these cameras there would be far more people driving way above the speed limit, I can't be the only one who drives a bit slower because of the risk of being caught.[/quote] You're missing the point. Virtually no-one objects to [bold]all[/bold] enforcement of speed limits. There are plenty of places where I would be happy to see a fixed camera or a mobile camera van, because there are plenty of places where people break the speed limit [italic]and it really isn't safe to do so[/italic]. Thankfully some of the worst locations locally (mostly on the A19 and A64) have had highway improvements to make them safer, but there are still other danger spots. But I rarely see the camera vans in those places. They are more often on roads where there is no significant danger from drivers breaking the limit by 10 or 20mph. We all know that speed limits are a very blunt tool and that they don't always (or even often) bear much relationship to what is actually safe on a particular road. But the cameras are all too often deployed on roads where it [bold]is[/bold] safe to exceed the speed limit, and drivers who are driving safely are penalised. If the police were serious about [bold]improving safety[/bold] rather than making money, they would put the mobile cameras out at known accident blackspots, rather than where they can catch the most drivers speeding. Stevie D
  • Score: 10

1:24pm Fri 1 Aug 14

roadwars says...

Stevie D wrote:
roadwars wrote:
Don't kid yourself, without the risk of being caught by one of these cameras there would be far more people driving way above the speed limit, I can't be the only one who drives a bit slower because of the risk of being caught.

You're missing the point.

Virtually no-one objects to all enforcement of speed limits. There are plenty of places where I would be happy to see a fixed camera or a mobile camera van, because there are plenty of places where people break the speed limit and it really isn't safe to do so. Thankfully some of the worst locations locally (mostly on the A19 and A64) have had highway improvements to make them safer, but there are still other danger spots.

But I rarely see the camera vans in those places. They are more often on roads where there is no significant danger from drivers breaking the limit by 10 or 20mph. We all know that speed limits are a very blunt tool and that they don't always (or even often) bear much relationship to what is actually safe on a particular road. But the cameras are all too often deployed on roads where it is safe to exceed the speed limit, and drivers who are driving safely are penalised.

If the police were serious about improving safety rather than making money, they would put the mobile cameras out at known accident blackspots, rather than where they can catch the most drivers speeding.
I wonder how many young lives have been ended by people who were only speeding on the good stretches of roads and wouldn't dream of speeding on dangerous stretches, probably quite a few.

I agree with you that there should be more focus on the blackspots but this should be done with a proper police presence and not these vans, these camera vans serve a good purpose for where they are used; in areas of high density speeding. If a nutter is driving dangerously through accident blackspots they should be stopped and not just have a photo taken of them.

Yes, the vans are money raisers, but the police are underfunded and if these raise enough money to keep a traffic car on the roads then it is a good thing. They don't take money off people who stick to the rules.
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]roadwars[/bold] wrote: Don't kid yourself, without the risk of being caught by one of these cameras there would be far more people driving way above the speed limit, I can't be the only one who drives a bit slower because of the risk of being caught.[/quote] You're missing the point. Virtually no-one objects to [bold]all[/bold] enforcement of speed limits. There are plenty of places where I would be happy to see a fixed camera or a mobile camera van, because there are plenty of places where people break the speed limit [italic]and it really isn't safe to do so[/italic]. Thankfully some of the worst locations locally (mostly on the A19 and A64) have had highway improvements to make them safer, but there are still other danger spots. But I rarely see the camera vans in those places. They are more often on roads where there is no significant danger from drivers breaking the limit by 10 or 20mph. We all know that speed limits are a very blunt tool and that they don't always (or even often) bear much relationship to what is actually safe on a particular road. But the cameras are all too often deployed on roads where it [bold]is[/bold] safe to exceed the speed limit, and drivers who are driving safely are penalised. If the police were serious about [bold]improving safety[/bold] rather than making money, they would put the mobile cameras out at known accident blackspots, rather than where they can catch the most drivers speeding.[/p][/quote]I wonder how many young lives have been ended by people who were only speeding on the good stretches of roads and wouldn't dream of speeding on dangerous stretches, probably quite a few. I agree with you that there should be more focus on the blackspots but this should be done with a proper police presence and not these vans, these camera vans serve a good purpose for where they are used; in areas of high density speeding. If a nutter is driving dangerously through accident blackspots they should be stopped and not just have a photo taken of them. Yes, the vans are money raisers, but the police are underfunded and if these raise enough money to keep a traffic car on the roads then it is a good thing. They don't take money off people who stick to the rules. roadwars
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1:55pm Fri 1 Aug 14

The Great Buda says...

Stevie D wrote:
roadwars wrote:
Don't kid yourself, without the risk of being caught by one of these cameras there would be far more people driving way above the speed limit, I can't be the only one who drives a bit slower because of the risk of being caught.

You're missing the point.

Virtually no-one objects to all enforcement of speed limits. There are plenty of places where I would be happy to see a fixed camera or a mobile camera van, because there are plenty of places where people break the speed limit and it really isn't safe to do so. Thankfully some of the worst locations locally (mostly on the A19 and A64) have had highway improvements to make them safer, but there are still other danger spots.

But I rarely see the camera vans in those places. They are more often on roads where there is no significant danger from drivers breaking the limit by 10 or 20mph. We all know that speed limits are a very blunt tool and that they don't always (or even often) bear much relationship to what is actually safe on a particular road. But the cameras are all too often deployed on roads where it is safe to exceed the speed limit, and drivers who are driving safely are penalised.

If the police were serious about improving safety rather than making money, they would put the mobile cameras out at known accident blackspots, rather than where they can catch the most drivers speeding.
I agree with that.

There is a time and a place for proper safety improvements on our roads to reduce the amount of accidents. When such things are in place I will support them fully.

These vans are not about safety.
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]roadwars[/bold] wrote: Don't kid yourself, without the risk of being caught by one of these cameras there would be far more people driving way above the speed limit, I can't be the only one who drives a bit slower because of the risk of being caught.[/quote] You're missing the point. Virtually no-one objects to [bold]all[/bold] enforcement of speed limits. There are plenty of places where I would be happy to see a fixed camera or a mobile camera van, because there are plenty of places where people break the speed limit [italic]and it really isn't safe to do so[/italic]. Thankfully some of the worst locations locally (mostly on the A19 and A64) have had highway improvements to make them safer, but there are still other danger spots. But I rarely see the camera vans in those places. They are more often on roads where there is no significant danger from drivers breaking the limit by 10 or 20mph. We all know that speed limits are a very blunt tool and that they don't always (or even often) bear much relationship to what is actually safe on a particular road. But the cameras are all too often deployed on roads where it [bold]is[/bold] safe to exceed the speed limit, and drivers who are driving safely are penalised. If the police were serious about [bold]improving safety[/bold] rather than making money, they would put the mobile cameras out at known accident blackspots, rather than where they can catch the most drivers speeding.[/p][/quote]I agree with that. There is a time and a place for proper safety improvements on our roads to reduce the amount of accidents. When such things are in place I will support them fully. These vans are not about safety. The Great Buda
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Omega Point says...

"But the cameras are all too often deployed on roads where it is safe to exceed the speed limit, and drivers who are driving safely are penalised."
So breaking the law is OK then. That is what this comment says. Change the law then and raise the limit.
"But the cameras are all too often deployed on roads where it is safe to exceed the speed limit, and drivers who are driving safely are penalised." So breaking the law is OK then. That is what this comment says. Change the law then and raise the limit. Omega Point
  • Score: 11

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