York’s a war zone at the weekend

How much long is York going to pussy-foot around the hordes of drunken louts who descend on the city every weekend, asks reader P M Batey

How much long is York going to pussy-foot around the hordes of drunken louts who descend on the city every weekend, asks reader P M Batey

First published in Letters by

HOW much longer are the authorities in York going to pussy-foot around the hordes of drunken louts who descend on the city every weekend (and particularly race weekends)?

It was absolutely disgraceful that Dr Gaur and the staff at York A&E should have to face verbal abuse and even clear up after the drunken idiots (Drunks put York A&E department under pressure, July 29).

These people should never have been allowed anywhere near A&E, let alone using valuable ambulances to ferry them there.

It is an insult to law-abiding citizens when these louts are given priority treatment because they cannot hold their drink.

The only emergency service involved should have been the fire brigade - a long, slow hose-down in the middle of the road or gutter or wherever they have keeled over and then a march on foot to Fulford Road police station where charges were brought against them (and costs for any services used) would be a lesson not easily forgotten.

York would soon be a much more peaceful place and could be enjoyed by residents and visitors alike, instead of being like a war zone every weekend.

P M Batey, Gladstone Street, Acomb, York.

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11:55am Thu 31 Jul 14

The Great Buda says...

Hyperbole.
Hyperbole. The Great Buda
  • Score: -16

12:34pm Thu 31 Jul 14

CaroleBaines says...

I don't really go into the city centre now on a night but certainly did in my youth and I do recall the same sort of letters as this over the last few decades. Have things really got worse?
I don't really go into the city centre now on a night but certainly did in my youth and I do recall the same sort of letters as this over the last few decades. Have things really got worse? CaroleBaines
  • Score: 15

12:55pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

The authorities will never do anything about it because it brings them an enormous amount of money via business rates. They'll probably announce a programme of handing out bottles of water to drunks or "trying to educate people".
The authorities will never do anything about it because it brings them an enormous amount of money via business rates. They'll probably announce a programme of handing out bottles of water to drunks or "trying to educate people". Pinza-C55
  • Score: 25

1:34pm Thu 31 Jul 14

The Great Buda says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
I don't really go into the city centre now on a night but certainly did in my youth and I do recall the same sort of letters as this over the last few decades. Have things really got worse?
No they haven't got wore.

Peoples perception of whats going on is whats changed. People like the letter writer create these hyperbole laden letters and the white-lie starts to grow. So in turn does perception.

The reality is that York is a very friendly and welcoming City on an evening. One of the most so in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: I don't really go into the city centre now on a night but certainly did in my youth and I do recall the same sort of letters as this over the last few decades. Have things really got worse?[/p][/quote]No they haven't got wore. Peoples perception of whats going on is whats changed. People like the letter writer create these hyperbole laden letters and the white-lie starts to grow. So in turn does perception. The reality is that York is a very friendly and welcoming City on an evening. One of the most so in the UK. The Great Buda
  • Score: -8

2:40pm Thu 31 Jul 14

sonorbloke says...

Having served in a war zone, York, even on a race weekend, is nothing like one.

It's one of the friendlier cities to be out in at the weekend, more so than others of it's size.
Having served in a war zone, York, even on a race weekend, is nothing like one. It's one of the friendlier cities to be out in at the weekend, more so than others of it's size. sonorbloke
  • Score: 23

3:13pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

The Great Buda wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
I don't really go into the city centre now on a night but certainly did in my youth and I do recall the same sort of letters as this over the last few decades. Have things really got worse?
No they haven't got wore.

Peoples perception of whats going on is whats changed. People like the letter writer create these hyperbole laden letters and the white-lie starts to grow. So in turn does perception.

The reality is that York is a very friendly and welcoming City on an evening. One of the most so in the UK.
SpecSavers have your new pair of rose tinted spectacles ready.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: I don't really go into the city centre now on a night but certainly did in my youth and I do recall the same sort of letters as this over the last few decades. Have things really got worse?[/p][/quote]No they haven't got wore. Peoples perception of whats going on is whats changed. People like the letter writer create these hyperbole laden letters and the white-lie starts to grow. So in turn does perception. The reality is that York is a very friendly and welcoming City on an evening. One of the most so in the UK.[/p][/quote]SpecSavers have your new pair of rose tinted spectacles ready. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 17

4:36pm Thu 31 Jul 14

The Great Buda says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
I don't really go into the city centre now on a night but certainly did in my youth and I do recall the same sort of letters as this over the last few decades. Have things really got worse?
No they haven't got wore.

Peoples perception of whats going on is whats changed. People like the letter writer create these hyperbole laden letters and the white-lie starts to grow. So in turn does perception.

The reality is that York is a very friendly and welcoming City on an evening. One of the most so in the UK.
SpecSavers have your new pair of rose tinted spectacles ready.
Play the ball, not the man.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: I don't really go into the city centre now on a night but certainly did in my youth and I do recall the same sort of letters as this over the last few decades. Have things really got worse?[/p][/quote]No they haven't got wore. Peoples perception of whats going on is whats changed. People like the letter writer create these hyperbole laden letters and the white-lie starts to grow. So in turn does perception. The reality is that York is a very friendly and welcoming City on an evening. One of the most so in the UK.[/p][/quote]SpecSavers have your new pair of rose tinted spectacles ready.[/p][/quote]Play the ball, not the man. The Great Buda
  • Score: -4

4:46pm Thu 31 Jul 14

A.P.Feeders says...

I don't think York is a war zone but it has certainly changed since the introduction of budget hotels which is a magnet for stag and hen parties Saturday is the worse day for it around the town centre but our council is going to crack down on anti social behaviour so let's see what this equates to probably TSL hitting revellers over the head with her broomstick
I don't think York is a war zone but it has certainly changed since the introduction of budget hotels which is a magnet for stag and hen parties Saturday is the worse day for it around the town centre but our council is going to crack down on anti social behaviour so let's see what this equates to probably TSL hitting revellers over the head with her broomstick A.P.Feeders
  • Score: 17

5:03pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
I don't really go into the city centre now on a night but certainly did in my youth and I do recall the same sort of letters as this over the last few decades. Have things really got worse?
No they haven't got wore.

Peoples perception of whats going on is whats changed. People like the letter writer create these hyperbole laden letters and the white-lie starts to grow. So in turn does perception.

The reality is that York is a very friendly and welcoming City on an evening. One of the most so in the UK.
SpecSavers have your new pair of rose tinted spectacles ready.
Play the ball, not the man.
The man is playing with the ball so by playing the man I control the ball.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: I don't really go into the city centre now on a night but certainly did in my youth and I do recall the same sort of letters as this over the last few decades. Have things really got worse?[/p][/quote]No they haven't got wore. Peoples perception of whats going on is whats changed. People like the letter writer create these hyperbole laden letters and the white-lie starts to grow. So in turn does perception. The reality is that York is a very friendly and welcoming City on an evening. One of the most so in the UK.[/p][/quote]SpecSavers have your new pair of rose tinted spectacles ready.[/p][/quote]Play the ball, not the man.[/p][/quote]The man is playing with the ball so by playing the man I control the ball. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 4

5:50pm Thu 31 Jul 14

bolero says...

Too much alcohol turns you blind as well.
Too much alcohol turns you blind as well. bolero
  • Score: 13

6:28pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

This letter is well over the top, especially with the use of "war zone"
That's an insult to all the poor people currently suffering actual war zones.

I am pleased to see that the letter writer has spelt "hordes" correctly unlike so many round here.

Don't know what merits removal about that one.
This letter is well over the top, especially with the use of "war zone" That's an insult to all the poor people currently suffering actual war zones. I am pleased to see that the letter writer has spelt "hordes" correctly unlike so many round here. Don't know what merits removal about that one. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -9

7:09pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Seadog says...

Clearly there is a problem, but I'm not convinced it's significantly worse than it was 30 or 40 years ago.

In 1973, when I was still in my first year at St John's, my parents (from the "Soft South") came to visit and we went out for a meal at a then well known riverside establishment, which (despite several changes of name during the intervening decades) should perhaps still be afforded a degree of anonymity! (Answers on a postcard ...) We had a splendid meal (at probably about £3.50 a ahead including wine) on the first floor whilst all hell broke loose on the floor below.

Needless to say, it was a race weekend.

My parents were both shocked and amused as furniture and vomit flew out into the street through shattered windows on the floor below, and I had to admit that the Students' Union guide to the pubs of York described this particular establishment as good for "Food upstairs and fights down."

Still, it was a learning curve for us all.
Clearly there is a problem, but I'm not convinced it's significantly worse than it was 30 or 40 years ago. In 1973, when I was still in my first year at St John's, my parents (from the "Soft South") came to visit and we went out for a meal at a then well known riverside establishment, which (despite several changes of name during the intervening decades) should perhaps still be afforded a degree of anonymity! (Answers on a postcard ...) We had a splendid meal (at probably about £3.50 a ahead including wine) on the first floor whilst all hell broke loose on the floor below. Needless to say, it was a race weekend. My parents were both shocked and amused as furniture and vomit flew out into the street through shattered windows on the floor below, and I had to admit that the Students' Union guide to the pubs of York described this particular establishment as good for "Food upstairs and fights down." Still, it was a learning curve for us all. Seadog
  • Score: 9

8:06am Fri 1 Aug 14

PlanetTea says...

I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression.

In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha.

I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for.

Let them have their fun.
I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression. In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha. I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for. Let them have their fun. PlanetTea
  • Score: 3

9:11am Fri 1 Aug 14

York2000 says...

It's the same as it's always been. The only difference is the Press are now using it to bash the council and the right wingers here are falling for it. York is a war zone? Do me a favour. The city centre was way worse in the late 80's/90's.

There was an article today about bin collections, so expect a flood of letters from 'readers' moaning about the council and bins next. The political agenda of the Press and the letter writers is see through. Disappointing stuff.
It's the same as it's always been. The only difference is the Press are now using it to bash the council and the right wingers here are falling for it. York is a war zone? Do me a favour. The city centre was way worse in the late 80's/90's. There was an article today about bin collections, so expect a flood of letters from 'readers' moaning about the council and bins next. The political agenda of the Press and the letter writers is see through. Disappointing stuff. York2000
  • Score: -2

10:20am Fri 1 Aug 14

Richard Catton says...

As a veteran of the 'Micklegate run' I was out on that particualr night last week in York and didn't see anything resembling a war zone.
I agree that things were a lot worse in the 1990s, when it was definitley a case of "A pint and a fight - the great Biritsh night"
As a veteran of the 'Micklegate run' I was out on that particualr night last week in York and didn't see anything resembling a war zone. I agree that things were a lot worse in the 1990s, when it was definitley a case of "A pint and a fight - the great Biritsh night" Richard Catton
  • Score: 2

11:04am Fri 1 Aug 14

Pinza-C55 says...

PlanetTea wrote:
I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression.

In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha.

I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for.

Let them have their fun.
"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle"

Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries.
Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood.
Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused.

Are you for real?
[quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression. In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha. I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for. Let them have their fun.[/p][/quote]"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle" Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries. Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood. Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused. Are you for real? Pinza-C55
  • Score: 15

12:00pm Fri 1 Aug 14

PlanetTea says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
PlanetTea wrote:
I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression.

In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha.

I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for.

Let them have their fun.
"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle"

Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries.
Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood.
Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused.

Are you for real?
Yes I'm "for real" thanks.

Violence will happen anywhere. Yes arguably alcohol can be accused of heightening this behaviour but the sort of people that get into those kinds of altercations are 9 times out of 10 going to get into similar situations when sober too. That is some people's mentality.

I suspect you aren't someone who actually goes into the city centre on a weekend and attends the same nightclubs as the teenagers and twenty-somethings in York? Well I am and I'm telling you, it is not nearly as bad as some may think. In fact, in the past 5 years of my going out and enjoying a number of different pubs and clubs, I have NEVER witnessed a fight. Ever. And I can assure you in my three years at University I went out plenty.

As I explained in my previous post, I can appreciate that if someone is walking through the city centre at night on a weekend it may seem rowdier to sober eyes, but the majority of people are jovial and harmless.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression. In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha. I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for. Let them have their fun.[/p][/quote]"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle" Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries. Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood. Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused. Are you for real?[/p][/quote]Yes I'm "for real" thanks. Violence will happen anywhere. Yes arguably alcohol can be accused of heightening this behaviour but the sort of people that get into those kinds of altercations are 9 times out of 10 going to get into similar situations when sober too. That is some people's mentality. I suspect you aren't someone who actually goes into the city centre on a weekend and attends the same nightclubs as the teenagers and twenty-somethings in York? Well I am and I'm telling you, it is not nearly as bad as some may think. In fact, in the past 5 years of my going out and enjoying a number of different pubs and clubs, I have NEVER witnessed a fight. Ever. And I can assure you in my three years at University I went out plenty. As I explained in my previous post, I can appreciate that if someone is walking through the city centre at night on a weekend it may seem rowdier to sober eyes, but the majority of people are jovial and harmless. PlanetTea
  • Score: -6

12:09pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Scorpio says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
PlanetTea wrote:
I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression.

In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha.

I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for.

Let them have their fun.
"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle"

Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries.
Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood.
Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused.

Are you for real?
Not to mention the fights breaking out after 2.00am when the police have all disappeared!
I've got a feeling that some of these comments writers have not been around the city centre after midnight up to 4.30am on Fri/Sat/Sundays.
The Square - Rougier St, George Hudson St, Tanner Row - does not come alive until after 11.00pm and the already drunk revellers pour into the venues in that area!
And then we have Salt and Peppers - go there after 2.00am and delight in the antics of people who are just out to have a nice time! It's worth a visit just to see the incredible sights on offer!
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression. In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha. I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for. Let them have their fun.[/p][/quote]"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle" Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries. Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood. Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused. Are you for real?[/p][/quote]Not to mention the fights breaking out after 2.00am when the police have all disappeared! I've got a feeling that some of these comments writers have not been around the city centre after midnight up to 4.30am on Fri/Sat/Sundays. The Square - Rougier St, George Hudson St, Tanner Row - does not come alive until after 11.00pm and the already drunk revellers pour into the venues in that area! And then we have Salt and Peppers - go there after 2.00am and delight in the antics of people who are just out to have a nice time! It's worth a visit just to see the incredible sights on offer! Scorpio
  • Score: 8

12:11pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Maquis says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
PlanetTea wrote:
I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression.

In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha.

I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for.

Let them have their fun.
"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle"

Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries.
Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood.
Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused.

Are you for real?
So that's 20 odd out of 60,000 people cause the problem. Let's hammer the 59970 people, stop their enjoyment. Good idea.

Anyone who instigates a fight should be fined, anyone who abuses a&e staff should be prosecuted to the max, but those who are out enjoying themselves and not causing trouble should not be punished for the actions of some idiots who they almost certainly don't know or associate with in any other way than that they happen to be at the same event or out in the same city.

I know, someone started a fight the night of the Tour de France. Let's make sure it never happens again eh?
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression. In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha. I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for. Let them have their fun.[/p][/quote]"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle" Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries. Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood. Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused. Are you for real?[/p][/quote]So that's 20 odd out of 60,000 people cause the problem. Let's hammer the 59970 people, stop their enjoyment. Good idea. Anyone who instigates a fight should be fined, anyone who abuses a&e staff should be prosecuted to the max, but those who are out enjoying themselves and not causing trouble should not be punished for the actions of some idiots who they almost certainly don't know or associate with in any other way than that they happen to be at the same event or out in the same city. I know, someone started a fight the night of the Tour de France. Let's make sure it never happens again eh? Maquis
  • Score: 2

12:15pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Don't worry your bar will still make a profit.
Don't worry your bar will still make a profit. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 1

12:59pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Maquis says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Don't worry your bar will still make a profit.
My bar?
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: Don't worry your bar will still make a profit.[/p][/quote]My bar? Maquis
  • Score: -1

2:36pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Scorpio wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
PlanetTea wrote:
I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression.

In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha.

I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for.

Let them have their fun.
"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle"

Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries.
Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood.
Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused.

Are you for real?
Not to mention the fights breaking out after 2.00am when the police have all disappeared!
I've got a feeling that some of these comments writers have not been around the city centre after midnight up to 4.30am on Fri/Sat/Sundays.
The Square - Rougier St, George Hudson St, Tanner Row - does not come alive until after 11.00pm and the already drunk revellers pour into the venues in that area!
And then we have Salt and Peppers - go there after 2.00am and delight in the antics of people who are just out to have a nice time! It's worth a visit just to see the incredible sights on offer!
No no no you see we are killjoys! What's wrong with people having a good old mass punch up, going to A&E, smashing windows and puking on people's front doorstep?
The council see it as a serious problem, but they are wrong.
The hospital A&E see it as a serious problem but they are wrong, don't their staff expect some abuse now and then, and realise it's just part of the rough and tumble of life?
The police see it as a problem but they are wrong, what the hell do they think they have body armour for and aren't they grateful for the overtime?
[quote][p][bold]Scorpio[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression. In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha. I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for. Let them have their fun.[/p][/quote]"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle" Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries. Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood. Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused. Are you for real?[/p][/quote]Not to mention the fights breaking out after 2.00am when the police have all disappeared! I've got a feeling that some of these comments writers have not been around the city centre after midnight up to 4.30am on Fri/Sat/Sundays. The Square - Rougier St, George Hudson St, Tanner Row - does not come alive until after 11.00pm and the already drunk revellers pour into the venues in that area! And then we have Salt and Peppers - go there after 2.00am and delight in the antics of people who are just out to have a nice time! It's worth a visit just to see the incredible sights on offer![/p][/quote]No no no you see we are killjoys! What's wrong with people having a good old mass punch up, going to A&E, smashing windows and puking on people's front doorstep? The council see it as a serious problem, but they are wrong. The hospital A&E see it as a serious problem but they are wrong, don't their staff expect some abuse now and then, and realise it's just part of the rough and tumble of life? The police see it as a problem but they are wrong, what the hell do they think they have body armour for and aren't they grateful for the overtime? Pinza-C55
  • Score: 3

2:50pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Maquis says...

You are a bitter individual aren't you.

There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist.
They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions.

However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few.

Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them.

Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.
You are a bitter individual aren't you. There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist. They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions. However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few. Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them. Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem. Maquis
  • Score: 2

5:57pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Maquis wrote:
You are a bitter individual aren't you.

There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist.
They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions.

However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few.

Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them.

Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.
No, I am not bitter I simply have a different opinion to you and it seems you cannot handle that so you have to pour vitriol over me ever time I comment on a subject which seems close to your heart for some reason.
There's no facility to ignore people on this site so all I can do is add you to my short list of people I don't reply to; feel free to let rip in future for it will fall on deaf ears.
[quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: You are a bitter individual aren't you. There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist. They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions. However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few. Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them. Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.[/p][/quote]No, I am not bitter I simply have a different opinion to you and it seems you cannot handle that so you have to pour vitriol over me ever time I comment on a subject which seems close to your heart for some reason. There's no facility to ignore people on this site so all I can do is add you to my short list of people I don't reply to; feel free to let rip in future for it will fall on deaf ears. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 5

6:10pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Maquis says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Maquis wrote:
You are a bitter individual aren't you.

There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist.
They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions.

However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few.

Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them.

Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.
No, I am not bitter I simply have a different opinion to you and it seems you cannot handle that so you have to pour vitriol over me ever time I comment on a subject which seems close to your heart for some reason.
There's no facility to ignore people on this site so all I can do is add you to my short list of people I don't reply to; feel free to let rip in future for it will fall on deaf ears.
It's strange that you automatically think I am referring to you. I didn't quote anyone in that post.

Also for clarity, other than the bitterness comment that you think is about you, what do you disagree with I'm my post?
That not everybody should be tarred with the same brush?
That those who cause the problems should be held responsible?
Or that we should not react so harshly that we take all fun out of life for those who work hard and deserve a little time to let their hair down because a minority like to make fools of themselves?
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: You are a bitter individual aren't you. There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist. They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions. However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few. Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them. Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.[/p][/quote]No, I am not bitter I simply have a different opinion to you and it seems you cannot handle that so you have to pour vitriol over me ever time I comment on a subject which seems close to your heart for some reason. There's no facility to ignore people on this site so all I can do is add you to my short list of people I don't reply to; feel free to let rip in future for it will fall on deaf ears.[/p][/quote]It's strange that you automatically think I am referring to you. I didn't quote anyone in that post. Also for clarity, other than the bitterness comment that you think is about you, what do you disagree with I'm my post? That not everybody should be tarred with the same brush? That those who cause the problems should be held responsible? Or that we should not react so harshly that we take all fun out of life for those who work hard and deserve a little time to let their hair down because a minority like to make fools of themselves? Maquis
  • Score: -5

6:25pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Scorpio says...

Maquis wrote:
You are a bitter individual aren't you.

There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist.
They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions.

However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few.

Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them.

Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.
Maquis you need to visit the area around Tanner Row between the hours of 12.00 and 4.00 and then you may stop making your ridiculous, nieve comments. Yes the drunks and troublecausers do need to be sorted out by our "imaginary" police force but I wonder where you get the figure of 20 out of 60,000?
The majority arrive drunk, continue pre-loading outside the bars (vodka, wine, lager etc.) before they stagger towards the entry doors and "fool" the doormen into thinking they can handle even more alcohol!
I am not a killjoy and like a good drink as much as most - I have nothing against students, young people enjoying themselves - but when you see them falling over, vomiting and urinating in doorways (and that's the girls) then you realize what is happening cannot be condoned!
[quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: You are a bitter individual aren't you. There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist. They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions. However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few. Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them. Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.[/p][/quote]Maquis you need to visit the area around Tanner Row between the hours of 12.00 and 4.00 and then you may stop making your ridiculous, nieve comments. Yes the drunks and troublecausers do need to be sorted out by our "imaginary" police force but I wonder where you get the figure of 20 out of 60,000? The majority arrive drunk, continue pre-loading outside the bars (vodka, wine, lager etc.) before they stagger towards the entry doors and "fool" the doormen into thinking they can handle even more alcohol! I am not a killjoy and like a good drink as much as most - I have nothing against students, young people enjoying themselves - but when you see them falling over, vomiting and urinating in doorways (and that's the girls) then you realize what is happening cannot be condoned! Scorpio
  • Score: 9

9:15pm Fri 1 Aug 14

jake777 says...

PlanetTea wrote:
I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression.

In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha.

I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for.

Let them have their fun.
Yes and you pay the bill for the Emergency services, the council crews that have to go out and clean the mess up, you are living in a dream world if you call that having fun.
Why should we have to pay for all that through council tax, typical do-gooder.
[quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression. In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha. I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for. Let them have their fun.[/p][/quote]Yes and you pay the bill for the Emergency services, the council crews that have to go out and clean the mess up, you are living in a dream world if you call that having fun. Why should we have to pay for all that through council tax, typical do-gooder. jake777
  • Score: 3

9:18pm Fri 1 Aug 14

jake777 says...

PlanetTea wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
PlanetTea wrote:
I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression.

In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha.

I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for.

Let them have their fun.
"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle"

Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries.
Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood.
Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused.

Are you for real?
Yes I'm "for real" thanks.

Violence will happen anywhere. Yes arguably alcohol can be accused of heightening this behaviour but the sort of people that get into those kinds of altercations are 9 times out of 10 going to get into similar situations when sober too. That is some people's mentality.

I suspect you aren't someone who actually goes into the city centre on a weekend and attends the same nightclubs as the teenagers and twenty-somethings in York? Well I am and I'm telling you, it is not nearly as bad as some may think. In fact, in the past 5 years of my going out and enjoying a number of different pubs and clubs, I have NEVER witnessed a fight. Ever. And I can assure you in my three years at University I went out plenty.

As I explained in my previous post, I can appreciate that if someone is walking through the city centre at night on a weekend it may seem rowdier to sober eyes, but the majority of people are jovial and harmless.
typical student i rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression. In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha. I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for. Let them have their fun.[/p][/quote]"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle" Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries. Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood. Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused. Are you for real?[/p][/quote]Yes I'm "for real" thanks. Violence will happen anywhere. Yes arguably alcohol can be accused of heightening this behaviour but the sort of people that get into those kinds of altercations are 9 times out of 10 going to get into similar situations when sober too. That is some people's mentality. I suspect you aren't someone who actually goes into the city centre on a weekend and attends the same nightclubs as the teenagers and twenty-somethings in York? Well I am and I'm telling you, it is not nearly as bad as some may think. In fact, in the past 5 years of my going out and enjoying a number of different pubs and clubs, I have NEVER witnessed a fight. Ever. And I can assure you in my three years at University I went out plenty. As I explained in my previous post, I can appreciate that if someone is walking through the city centre at night on a weekend it may seem rowdier to sober eyes, but the majority of people are jovial and harmless.[/p][/quote]typical student i rest my case. jake777
  • Score: 3

9:23pm Fri 1 Aug 14

jake777 says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
PlanetTea wrote:
I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression.

In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha.

I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for.

Let them have their fun.
"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle"

Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries.
Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood.
Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused.

Are you for real?
Not to mention the fights breaking out after 2.00am when the police have all disappeared!
I've got a feeling that some of these comments writers have not been around the city centre after midnight up to 4.30am on Fri/Sat/Sundays.
The Square - Rougier St, George Hudson St, Tanner Row - does not come alive until after 11.00pm and the already drunk revellers pour into the venues in that area!
And then we have Salt and Peppers - go there after 2.00am and delight in the antics of people who are just out to have a nice time! It's worth a visit just to see the incredible sights on offer!
No no no you see we are killjoys! What's wrong with people having a good old mass punch up, going to A&E, smashing windows and puking on people's front doorstep?
The council see it as a serious problem, but they are wrong.
The hospital A&E see it as a serious problem but they are wrong, don't their staff expect some abuse now and then, and realise it's just part of the rough and tumble of life?
The police see it as a problem but they are wrong, what the hell do they think they have body armour for and aren't they grateful for the overtime?
What a muppet.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scorpio[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression. In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha. I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for. Let them have their fun.[/p][/quote]"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle" Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries. Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood. Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused. Are you for real?[/p][/quote]Not to mention the fights breaking out after 2.00am when the police have all disappeared! I've got a feeling that some of these comments writers have not been around the city centre after midnight up to 4.30am on Fri/Sat/Sundays. The Square - Rougier St, George Hudson St, Tanner Row - does not come alive until after 11.00pm and the already drunk revellers pour into the venues in that area! And then we have Salt and Peppers - go there after 2.00am and delight in the antics of people who are just out to have a nice time! It's worth a visit just to see the incredible sights on offer![/p][/quote]No no no you see we are killjoys! What's wrong with people having a good old mass punch up, going to A&E, smashing windows and puking on people's front doorstep? The council see it as a serious problem, but they are wrong. The hospital A&E see it as a serious problem but they are wrong, don't their staff expect some abuse now and then, and realise it's just part of the rough and tumble of life? The police see it as a problem but they are wrong, what the hell do they think they have body armour for and aren't they grateful for the overtime?[/p][/quote]What a muppet. jake777
  • Score: 1

10:02pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Pinza-C55 says...

jake777 wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
PlanetTea wrote:
I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression.

In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha.

I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for.

Let them have their fun.
"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle"

Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries.
Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood.
Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused.

Are you for real?
Not to mention the fights breaking out after 2.00am when the police have all disappeared!
I've got a feeling that some of these comments writers have not been around the city centre after midnight up to 4.30am on Fri/Sat/Sundays.
The Square - Rougier St, George Hudson St, Tanner Row - does not come alive until after 11.00pm and the already drunk revellers pour into the venues in that area!
And then we have Salt and Peppers - go there after 2.00am and delight in the antics of people who are just out to have a nice time! It's worth a visit just to see the incredible sights on offer!
No no no you see we are killjoys! What's wrong with people having a good old mass punch up, going to A&E, smashing windows and puking on people's front doorstep?
The council see it as a serious problem, but they are wrong.
The hospital A&E see it as a serious problem but they are wrong, don't their staff expect some abuse now and then, and realise it's just part of the rough and tumble of life?
The police see it as a problem but they are wrong, what the hell do they think they have body armour for and aren't they grateful for the overtime?
What a muppet.
You don't understand sarcasm I take it ?
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scorpio[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression. In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha. I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for. Let them have their fun.[/p][/quote]"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle" Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries. Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood. Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused. Are you for real?[/p][/quote]Not to mention the fights breaking out after 2.00am when the police have all disappeared! I've got a feeling that some of these comments writers have not been around the city centre after midnight up to 4.30am on Fri/Sat/Sundays. The Square - Rougier St, George Hudson St, Tanner Row - does not come alive until after 11.00pm and the already drunk revellers pour into the venues in that area! And then we have Salt and Peppers - go there after 2.00am and delight in the antics of people who are just out to have a nice time! It's worth a visit just to see the incredible sights on offer![/p][/quote]No no no you see we are killjoys! What's wrong with people having a good old mass punch up, going to A&E, smashing windows and puking on people's front doorstep? The council see it as a serious problem, but they are wrong. The hospital A&E see it as a serious problem but they are wrong, don't their staff expect some abuse now and then, and realise it's just part of the rough and tumble of life? The police see it as a problem but they are wrong, what the hell do they think they have body armour for and aren't they grateful for the overtime?[/p][/quote]What a muppet.[/p][/quote]You don't understand sarcasm I take it ? Pinza-C55
  • Score: 5

12:14am Sat 2 Aug 14

Maquis says...

Scorpio wrote:
Maquis wrote:
You are a bitter individual aren't you.

There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist.
They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions.

However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few.

Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them.

Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.
Maquis you need to visit the area around Tanner Row between the hours of 12.00 and 4.00 and then you may stop making your ridiculous, nieve comments. Yes the drunks and troublecausers do need to be sorted out by our "imaginary" police force but I wonder where you get the figure of 20 out of 60,000?
The majority arrive drunk, continue pre-loading outside the bars (vodka, wine, lager etc.) before they stagger towards the entry doors and "fool" the doormen into thinking they can handle even more alcohol!
I am not a killjoy and like a good drink as much as most - I have nothing against students, young people enjoying themselves - but when you see them falling over, vomiting and urinating in doorways (and that's the girls) then you realize what is happening cannot be condoned!
I know the area well thanks and my comments are not at a all naive.
The figure of 20 out of 60,000 is from the people fighting after the races as reported in the press.
It is the culture of going out "to get drunk" that needs to change, and this will not be done by punishing the pubs as the council and people on this site seem to advocate but by removing the pocket money promotions that the supermarkets offer and by punishing anti social behaviour.
He constant clamping down on pubs simply drives more people into the waiting arms of tesco and friends.
[quote][p][bold]Scorpio[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: You are a bitter individual aren't you. There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist. They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions. However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few. Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them. Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.[/p][/quote]Maquis you need to visit the area around Tanner Row between the hours of 12.00 and 4.00 and then you may stop making your ridiculous, nieve comments. Yes the drunks and troublecausers do need to be sorted out by our "imaginary" police force but I wonder where you get the figure of 20 out of 60,000? The majority arrive drunk, continue pre-loading outside the bars (vodka, wine, lager etc.) before they stagger towards the entry doors and "fool" the doormen into thinking they can handle even more alcohol! I am not a killjoy and like a good drink as much as most - I have nothing against students, young people enjoying themselves - but when you see them falling over, vomiting and urinating in doorways (and that's the girls) then you realize what is happening cannot be condoned![/p][/quote]I know the area well thanks and my comments are not at a all naive. The figure of 20 out of 60,000 is from the people fighting after the races as reported in the press. It is the culture of going out "to get drunk" that needs to change, and this will not be done by punishing the pubs as the council and people on this site seem to advocate but by removing the pocket money promotions that the supermarkets offer and by punishing anti social behaviour. He constant clamping down on pubs simply drives more people into the waiting arms of tesco and friends. Maquis
  • Score: -2

12:15pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Scorpio says...

Maquis wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
Maquis wrote:
You are a bitter individual aren't you.

There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist.
They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions.

However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few.

Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them.

Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.
Maquis you need to visit the area around Tanner Row between the hours of 12.00 and 4.00 and then you may stop making your ridiculous, nieve comments. Yes the drunks and troublecausers do need to be sorted out by our "imaginary" police force but I wonder where you get the figure of 20 out of 60,000?
The majority arrive drunk, continue pre-loading outside the bars (vodka, wine, lager etc.) before they stagger towards the entry doors and "fool" the doormen into thinking they can handle even more alcohol!
I am not a killjoy and like a good drink as much as most - I have nothing against students, young people enjoying themselves - but when you see them falling over, vomiting and urinating in doorways (and that's the girls) then you realize what is happening cannot be condoned!
I know the area well thanks and my comments are not at a all naive.
The figure of 20 out of 60,000 is from the people fighting after the races as reported in the press.
It is the culture of going out "to get drunk" that needs to change, and this will not be done by punishing the pubs as the council and people on this site seem to advocate but by removing the pocket money promotions that the supermarkets offer and by punishing anti social behaviour.
He constant clamping down on pubs simply drives more people into the waiting arms of tesco and friends.
I appreciate what you are saying but 60,000 people did not pour out of Knavesmire into the city centre so those Press figures are irrelevant to this discussion.
Race days are worse than other weekends because of the amount of alcohol consumed during the day! However I do agree that the number of small supermarkets selling cheap booze to anybody (of age) is wrong. The staff in those shops don't seem to discriminate against customers who have drunk too much but of course bar staff have to! The problem is if the bars refused to serve anybody who they thought had "had enough" they would never make any money and the venues would be empty!
I think the culture of going out "to get drunk" has been superseded by "getting drunk" to go out and of course you have to put most of the blame on supermarkets for selling cheap booze. The new Sainsburys on Micklegate have to stop selling alcohol at 9.00pm - all city centre stores should be restricted and that would help matters - I would suggest 7.00pm.
[quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scorpio[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: You are a bitter individual aren't you. There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist. They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions. However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few. Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them. Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.[/p][/quote]Maquis you need to visit the area around Tanner Row between the hours of 12.00 and 4.00 and then you may stop making your ridiculous, nieve comments. Yes the drunks and troublecausers do need to be sorted out by our "imaginary" police force but I wonder where you get the figure of 20 out of 60,000? The majority arrive drunk, continue pre-loading outside the bars (vodka, wine, lager etc.) before they stagger towards the entry doors and "fool" the doormen into thinking they can handle even more alcohol! I am not a killjoy and like a good drink as much as most - I have nothing against students, young people enjoying themselves - but when you see them falling over, vomiting and urinating in doorways (and that's the girls) then you realize what is happening cannot be condoned![/p][/quote]I know the area well thanks and my comments are not at a all naive. The figure of 20 out of 60,000 is from the people fighting after the races as reported in the press. It is the culture of going out "to get drunk" that needs to change, and this will not be done by punishing the pubs as the council and people on this site seem to advocate but by removing the pocket money promotions that the supermarkets offer and by punishing anti social behaviour. He constant clamping down on pubs simply drives more people into the waiting arms of tesco and friends.[/p][/quote]I appreciate what you are saying but 60,000 people did not pour out of Knavesmire into the city centre so those Press figures are irrelevant to this discussion. Race days are worse than other weekends because of the amount of alcohol consumed during the day! However I do agree that the number of small supermarkets selling cheap booze to anybody (of age) is wrong. The staff in those shops don't seem to discriminate against customers who have drunk too much but of course bar staff have to! The problem is if the bars refused to serve anybody who they thought had "had enough" they would never make any money and the venues would be empty! I think the culture of going out "to get drunk" has been superseded by "getting drunk" to go out and of course you have to put most of the blame on supermarkets for selling cheap booze. The new Sainsburys on Micklegate have to stop selling alcohol at 9.00pm - all city centre stores should be restricted and that would help matters - I would suggest 7.00pm. Scorpio
  • Score: 2

12:53pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Maquis says...

Scorpio wrote:
Maquis wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
Maquis wrote:
You are a bitter individual aren't you.

There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist.
They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions.

However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few.

Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them.

Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.
Maquis you need to visit the area around Tanner Row between the hours of 12.00 and 4.00 and then you may stop making your ridiculous, nieve comments. Yes the drunks and troublecausers do need to be sorted out by our "imaginary" police force but I wonder where you get the figure of 20 out of 60,000?
The majority arrive drunk, continue pre-loading outside the bars (vodka, wine, lager etc.) before they stagger towards the entry doors and "fool" the doormen into thinking they can handle even more alcohol!
I am not a killjoy and like a good drink as much as most - I have nothing against students, young people enjoying themselves - but when you see them falling over, vomiting and urinating in doorways (and that's the girls) then you realize what is happening cannot be condoned!
I know the area well thanks and my comments are not at a all naive.
The figure of 20 out of 60,000 is from the people fighting after the races as reported in the press.
It is the culture of going out "to get drunk" that needs to change, and this will not be done by punishing the pubs as the council and people on this site seem to advocate but by removing the pocket money promotions that the supermarkets offer and by punishing anti social behaviour.
He constant clamping down on pubs simply drives more people into the waiting arms of tesco and friends.
I appreciate what you are saying but 60,000 people did not pour out of Knavesmire into the city centre so those Press figures are irrelevant to this discussion.
Race days are worse than other weekends because of the amount of alcohol consumed during the day! However I do agree that the number of small supermarkets selling cheap booze to anybody (of age) is wrong. The staff in those shops don't seem to discriminate against customers who have drunk too much but of course bar staff have to! The problem is if the bars refused to serve anybody who they thought had "had enough" they would never make any money and the venues would be empty!
I think the culture of going out "to get drunk" has been superseded by "getting drunk" to go out and of course you have to put most of the blame on supermarkets for selling cheap booze. The new Sainsburys on Micklegate have to stop selling alcohol at 9.00pm - all city centre stores should be restricted and that would help matters - I would suggest 7.00pm.
I don't think that there is much that we disagree with here.
The figures were used because that is what the press reported and that is what kicked this discussion and the readers letter.

Having known several bar owners both in the centre and the suburbs, I can safely say that many of them would rather the races didn't happen as the reputation of the race goers keeps the regulars away, the race goers have often had too much to server even leth through the door' and in many cases the police insist on extra doormen which takes away any potential gains. The only bars who tend to make any serious money are those by the river, and then only in decent weather.

As for the supermarkets, they should not serve alcohol to anybody who is not making a proper grocery shop, and then not in the kind of containers that can be smuggled into pubs such as the small vodka bottles.
[quote][p][bold]Scorpio[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scorpio[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: You are a bitter individual aren't you. There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist. They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions. However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few. Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them. Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.[/p][/quote]Maquis you need to visit the area around Tanner Row between the hours of 12.00 and 4.00 and then you may stop making your ridiculous, nieve comments. Yes the drunks and troublecausers do need to be sorted out by our "imaginary" police force but I wonder where you get the figure of 20 out of 60,000? The majority arrive drunk, continue pre-loading outside the bars (vodka, wine, lager etc.) before they stagger towards the entry doors and "fool" the doormen into thinking they can handle even more alcohol! I am not a killjoy and like a good drink as much as most - I have nothing against students, young people enjoying themselves - but when you see them falling over, vomiting and urinating in doorways (and that's the girls) then you realize what is happening cannot be condoned![/p][/quote]I know the area well thanks and my comments are not at a all naive. The figure of 20 out of 60,000 is from the people fighting after the races as reported in the press. It is the culture of going out "to get drunk" that needs to change, and this will not be done by punishing the pubs as the council and people on this site seem to advocate but by removing the pocket money promotions that the supermarkets offer and by punishing anti social behaviour. He constant clamping down on pubs simply drives more people into the waiting arms of tesco and friends.[/p][/quote]I appreciate what you are saying but 60,000 people did not pour out of Knavesmire into the city centre so those Press figures are irrelevant to this discussion. Race days are worse than other weekends because of the amount of alcohol consumed during the day! However I do agree that the number of small supermarkets selling cheap booze to anybody (of age) is wrong. The staff in those shops don't seem to discriminate against customers who have drunk too much but of course bar staff have to! The problem is if the bars refused to serve anybody who they thought had "had enough" they would never make any money and the venues would be empty! I think the culture of going out "to get drunk" has been superseded by "getting drunk" to go out and of course you have to put most of the blame on supermarkets for selling cheap booze. The new Sainsburys on Micklegate have to stop selling alcohol at 9.00pm - all city centre stores should be restricted and that would help matters - I would suggest 7.00pm.[/p][/quote]I don't think that there is much that we disagree with here. The figures were used because that is what the press reported and that is what kicked this discussion and the readers letter. Having known several bar owners both in the centre and the suburbs, I can safely say that many of them would rather the races didn't happen as the reputation of the race goers keeps the regulars away, the race goers have often had too much to server even leth through the door' and in many cases the police insist on extra doormen which takes away any potential gains. The only bars who tend to make any serious money are those by the river, and then only in decent weather. As for the supermarkets, they should not serve alcohol to anybody who is not making a proper grocery shop, and then not in the kind of containers that can be smuggled into pubs such as the small vodka bottles. Maquis
  • Score: 0

1:06pm Sat 2 Aug 14

PlanetTea says...

Scorpio wrote:
Maquis wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
Maquis wrote:
You are a bitter individual aren't you.

There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist.
They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions.

However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few.

Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them.

Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.
Maquis you need to visit the area around Tanner Row between the hours of 12.00 and 4.00 and then you may stop making your ridiculous, nieve comments. Yes the drunks and troublecausers do need to be sorted out by our "imaginary" police force but I wonder where you get the figure of 20 out of 60,000?
The majority arrive drunk, continue pre-loading outside the bars (vodka, wine, lager etc.) before they stagger towards the entry doors and "fool" the doormen into thinking they can handle even more alcohol!
I am not a killjoy and like a good drink as much as most - I have nothing against students, young people enjoying themselves - but when you see them falling over, vomiting and urinating in doorways (and that's the girls) then you realize what is happening cannot be condoned!
I know the area well thanks and my comments are not at a all naive.
The figure of 20 out of 60,000 is from the people fighting after the races as reported in the press.
It is the culture of going out "to get drunk" that needs to change, and this will not be done by punishing the pubs as the council and people on this site seem to advocate but by removing the pocket money promotions that the supermarkets offer and by punishing anti social behaviour.
He constant clamping down on pubs simply drives more people into the waiting arms of tesco and friends.
I appreciate what you are saying but 60,000 people did not pour out of Knavesmire into the city centre so those Press figures are irrelevant to this discussion.
Race days are worse than other weekends because of the amount of alcohol consumed during the day! However I do agree that the number of small supermarkets selling cheap booze to anybody (of age) is wrong. The staff in those shops don't seem to discriminate against customers who have drunk too much but of course bar staff have to! The problem is if the bars refused to serve anybody who they thought had "had enough" they would never make any money and the venues would be empty!
I think the culture of going out "to get drunk" has been superseded by "getting drunk" to go out and of course you have to put most of the blame on supermarkets for selling cheap booze. The new Sainsburys on Micklegate have to stop selling alcohol at 9.00pm - all city centre stores should be restricted and that would help matters - I would suggest 7.00pm.
Hello, I thought you may be interested to know, I was actually in Tesco's two weeks ago on the Saturday the races were going on and the security actually told the girls they weren't allowed to buy any alcohol as they had clearly been drinking (they were a little giggly but not falling about the place or anything). So I do think some supermarkets are trying to change how they approach selling alcohol, which is good.
[quote][p][bold]Scorpio[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scorpio[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: You are a bitter individual aren't you. There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist. They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions. However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few. Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them. Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.[/p][/quote]Maquis you need to visit the area around Tanner Row between the hours of 12.00 and 4.00 and then you may stop making your ridiculous, nieve comments. Yes the drunks and troublecausers do need to be sorted out by our "imaginary" police force but I wonder where you get the figure of 20 out of 60,000? The majority arrive drunk, continue pre-loading outside the bars (vodka, wine, lager etc.) before they stagger towards the entry doors and "fool" the doormen into thinking they can handle even more alcohol! I am not a killjoy and like a good drink as much as most - I have nothing against students, young people enjoying themselves - but when you see them falling over, vomiting and urinating in doorways (and that's the girls) then you realize what is happening cannot be condoned![/p][/quote]I know the area well thanks and my comments are not at a all naive. The figure of 20 out of 60,000 is from the people fighting after the races as reported in the press. It is the culture of going out "to get drunk" that needs to change, and this will not be done by punishing the pubs as the council and people on this site seem to advocate but by removing the pocket money promotions that the supermarkets offer and by punishing anti social behaviour. He constant clamping down on pubs simply drives more people into the waiting arms of tesco and friends.[/p][/quote]I appreciate what you are saying but 60,000 people did not pour out of Knavesmire into the city centre so those Press figures are irrelevant to this discussion. Race days are worse than other weekends because of the amount of alcohol consumed during the day! However I do agree that the number of small supermarkets selling cheap booze to anybody (of age) is wrong. The staff in those shops don't seem to discriminate against customers who have drunk too much but of course bar staff have to! The problem is if the bars refused to serve anybody who they thought had "had enough" they would never make any money and the venues would be empty! I think the culture of going out "to get drunk" has been superseded by "getting drunk" to go out and of course you have to put most of the blame on supermarkets for selling cheap booze. The new Sainsburys on Micklegate have to stop selling alcohol at 9.00pm - all city centre stores should be restricted and that would help matters - I would suggest 7.00pm.[/p][/quote]Hello, I thought you may be interested to know, I was actually in Tesco's two weeks ago on the Saturday the races were going on and the security actually told the girls they weren't allowed to buy any alcohol as they had clearly been drinking (they were a little giggly but not falling about the place or anything). So I do think some supermarkets are trying to change how they approach selling alcohol, which is good. PlanetTea
  • Score: 1

1:37pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Scorpio says...

PlanetTea wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
Maquis wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
Maquis wrote:
You are a bitter individual aren't you.

There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist.
They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions.

However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few.

Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them.

Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.
Maquis you need to visit the area around Tanner Row between the hours of 12.00 and 4.00 and then you may stop making your ridiculous, nieve comments. Yes the drunks and troublecausers do need to be sorted out by our "imaginary" police force but I wonder where you get the figure of 20 out of 60,000?
The majority arrive drunk, continue pre-loading outside the bars (vodka, wine, lager etc.) before they stagger towards the entry doors and "fool" the doormen into thinking they can handle even more alcohol!
I am not a killjoy and like a good drink as much as most - I have nothing against students, young people enjoying themselves - but when you see them falling over, vomiting and urinating in doorways (and that's the girls) then you realize what is happening cannot be condoned!
I know the area well thanks and my comments are not at a all naive.
The figure of 20 out of 60,000 is from the people fighting after the races as reported in the press.
It is the culture of going out "to get drunk" that needs to change, and this will not be done by punishing the pubs as the council and people on this site seem to advocate but by removing the pocket money promotions that the supermarkets offer and by punishing anti social behaviour.
He constant clamping down on pubs simply drives more people into the waiting arms of tesco and friends.
I appreciate what you are saying but 60,000 people did not pour out of Knavesmire into the city centre so those Press figures are irrelevant to this discussion.
Race days are worse than other weekends because of the amount of alcohol consumed during the day! However I do agree that the number of small supermarkets selling cheap booze to anybody (of age) is wrong. The staff in those shops don't seem to discriminate against customers who have drunk too much but of course bar staff have to! The problem is if the bars refused to serve anybody who they thought had "had enough" they would never make any money and the venues would be empty!
I think the culture of going out "to get drunk" has been superseded by "getting drunk" to go out and of course you have to put most of the blame on supermarkets for selling cheap booze. The new Sainsburys on Micklegate have to stop selling alcohol at 9.00pm - all city centre stores should be restricted and that would help matters - I would suggest 7.00pm.
Hello, I thought you may be interested to know, I was actually in Tesco's two weeks ago on the Saturday the races were going on and the security actually told the girls they weren't allowed to buy any alcohol as they had clearly been drinking (they were a little giggly but not falling about the place or anything). So I do think some supermarkets are trying to change how they approach selling alcohol, which is good.
Good to hear but I do think that's an exception - but doormen on grocery shops!!! I think that says it all!
[quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scorpio[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scorpio[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: You are a bitter individual aren't you. There are a small number of people who cause the issues that you describe and nobody is denying that they exist. They do exist and they should be held responsible for their actions. However your only form of reply is to talk as if they are the norm as opposed to the exception and you want to blame the majority of good people for the actions of the few. Maybe ban all drivers because some drive dangerously, or ban kitchen knives because someone may decide to misuse them. Deal with the problem people, not those who are not a problem.[/p][/quote]Maquis you need to visit the area around Tanner Row between the hours of 12.00 and 4.00 and then you may stop making your ridiculous, nieve comments. Yes the drunks and troublecausers do need to be sorted out by our "imaginary" police force but I wonder where you get the figure of 20 out of 60,000? The majority arrive drunk, continue pre-loading outside the bars (vodka, wine, lager etc.) before they stagger towards the entry doors and "fool" the doormen into thinking they can handle even more alcohol! I am not a killjoy and like a good drink as much as most - I have nothing against students, young people enjoying themselves - but when you see them falling over, vomiting and urinating in doorways (and that's the girls) then you realize what is happening cannot be condoned![/p][/quote]I know the area well thanks and my comments are not at a all naive. The figure of 20 out of 60,000 is from the people fighting after the races as reported in the press. It is the culture of going out "to get drunk" that needs to change, and this will not be done by punishing the pubs as the council and people on this site seem to advocate but by removing the pocket money promotions that the supermarkets offer and by punishing anti social behaviour. He constant clamping down on pubs simply drives more people into the waiting arms of tesco and friends.[/p][/quote]I appreciate what you are saying but 60,000 people did not pour out of Knavesmire into the city centre so those Press figures are irrelevant to this discussion. Race days are worse than other weekends because of the amount of alcohol consumed during the day! However I do agree that the number of small supermarkets selling cheap booze to anybody (of age) is wrong. The staff in those shops don't seem to discriminate against customers who have drunk too much but of course bar staff have to! The problem is if the bars refused to serve anybody who they thought had "had enough" they would never make any money and the venues would be empty! I think the culture of going out "to get drunk" has been superseded by "getting drunk" to go out and of course you have to put most of the blame on supermarkets for selling cheap booze. The new Sainsburys on Micklegate have to stop selling alcohol at 9.00pm - all city centre stores should be restricted and that would help matters - I would suggest 7.00pm.[/p][/quote]Hello, I thought you may be interested to know, I was actually in Tesco's two weeks ago on the Saturday the races were going on and the security actually told the girls they weren't allowed to buy any alcohol as they had clearly been drinking (they were a little giggly but not falling about the place or anything). So I do think some supermarkets are trying to change how they approach selling alcohol, which is good.[/p][/quote]Good to hear but I do think that's an exception - but doormen on grocery shops!!! I think that says it all! Scorpio
  • Score: 3

2:13pm Sat 2 Aug 14

jake777 says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
jake777 wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
PlanetTea wrote:
I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression.

In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha.

I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for.

Let them have their fun.
"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle"

Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries.
Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood.
Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused.

Are you for real?
Not to mention the fights breaking out after 2.00am when the police have all disappeared!
I've got a feeling that some of these comments writers have not been around the city centre after midnight up to 4.30am on Fri/Sat/Sundays.
The Square - Rougier St, George Hudson St, Tanner Row - does not come alive until after 11.00pm and the already drunk revellers pour into the venues in that area!
And then we have Salt and Peppers - go there after 2.00am and delight in the antics of people who are just out to have a nice time! It's worth a visit just to see the incredible sights on offer!
No no no you see we are killjoys! What's wrong with people having a good old mass punch up, going to A&E, smashing windows and puking on people's front doorstep?
The council see it as a serious problem, but they are wrong.
The hospital A&E see it as a serious problem but they are wrong, don't their staff expect some abuse now and then, and realise it's just part of the rough and tumble of life?
The police see it as a problem but they are wrong, what the hell do they think they have body armour for and aren't they grateful for the overtime?
What a muppet.
You don't understand sarcasm I take it ?
My apologies I miss read it and take it back.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scorpio[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PlanetTea[/bold] wrote: I can completely appreciate that if you are having a nice sober evening out in the city centre on a weekend and you then decide to walk home only to witness lots of young drunken people being rowdy you may get a very bad impression. In my experience its not nearly as bad as the writer thinks, I don't go out for for drinks every weekend (its too expensive) but when I do I feel perfectly safe and unthreatened and I go to all the cheapest spots haha. I think you need to appreciate that if you've spent your night sober, then the young drunk people will seem particularly loud and maybe even threatening, but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle - there's nothing to be angry or intimidated for. Let them have their fun.[/p][/quote]"but you need to remind yourself, their just a drunk and are having a giggle" Mass brawl between 20 people in Rougier Street, road cordoned off by police, one man taken to hospital with serious injuries. Fight in Nessgate , man taken to hospital with serious injuries, road had to be sluiced to remove blood. Hospital A&E inundated with drunks, staff abused. Are you for real?[/p][/quote]Not to mention the fights breaking out after 2.00am when the police have all disappeared! I've got a feeling that some of these comments writers have not been around the city centre after midnight up to 4.30am on Fri/Sat/Sundays. The Square - Rougier St, George Hudson St, Tanner Row - does not come alive until after 11.00pm and the already drunk revellers pour into the venues in that area! And then we have Salt and Peppers - go there after 2.00am and delight in the antics of people who are just out to have a nice time! It's worth a visit just to see the incredible sights on offer![/p][/quote]No no no you see we are killjoys! What's wrong with people having a good old mass punch up, going to A&E, smashing windows and puking on people's front doorstep? The council see it as a serious problem, but they are wrong. The hospital A&E see it as a serious problem but they are wrong, don't their staff expect some abuse now and then, and realise it's just part of the rough and tumble of life? The police see it as a problem but they are wrong, what the hell do they think they have body armour for and aren't they grateful for the overtime?[/p][/quote]What a muppet.[/p][/quote]You don't understand sarcasm I take it ?[/p][/quote]My apologies I miss read it and take it back. jake777
  • Score: 0

5:34pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Compo238 says...

If you don't want sh.. On your boots don't walk in the sewer. Our gene pool is declining and it is producing morons by the dozen. Shame is the thousands of good people who would love to go into York on a night and don't , our police of course who had to be 6 foot for many years now look what we have, sad so sad.
If you don't want sh.. On your boots don't walk in the sewer. Our gene pool is declining and it is producing morons by the dozen. Shame is the thousands of good people who would love to go into York on a night and don't , our police of course who had to be 6 foot for many years now look what we have, sad so sad. Compo238
  • Score: 4

3:03pm Mon 4 Aug 14

goatman says...

One has to wonder where we would be today if we hadn't declared war one hundred years ago resulting in the destruction of the 'Flower of a Generation'.
One has to wonder where we would be today if we hadn't declared war one hundred years ago resulting in the destruction of the 'Flower of a Generation'. goatman
  • Score: 0

9:02am Tue 5 Aug 14

sniper 9964 says...

I work in city centre. And on a weekend / race day it is disgusting you can feel the tension in the air. As these morons get more drunk.
they spoil for fights stand in the road and abuse drivers.
Stag and Hen parties start drinking around 11 am carrying huge sex objects around with them while families have to endure their disgusting behaviour.
York is not a friendly place when full of drunken idiots
I work in city centre. And on a weekend / race day it is disgusting you can feel the tension in the air. As these morons get more drunk. they spoil for fights stand in the road and abuse drivers. Stag and Hen parties start drinking around 11 am carrying huge sex objects around with them while families have to endure their disgusting behaviour. York is not a friendly place when full of drunken idiots sniper 9964
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11:52am Tue 5 Aug 14

It's your round says...

Quite right that comparing York to a 'War Zone' is a ridiculous comparison!

I completely agree with the posters who say punish the few who cause trouble not tar all with the same brush.

What is the solution here? A city centre wide curfew?!! Sure there will be complaints then!

I think more training for the door and bar staff to identify those individuals who are worse for wear and simply not serve them. I do of course sympathise with the NHS and Police service, those that abuse the people that are trying to help should be held accountable.

Like others have said - I think a majority drink on a Saturday night trouble free. They just ruin it for the others.
Quite right that comparing York to a 'War Zone' is a ridiculous comparison! I completely agree with the posters who say punish the few who cause trouble not tar all with the same brush. What is the solution here? A city centre wide curfew?!! Sure there will be complaints then! I think more training for the door and bar staff to identify those individuals who are worse for wear and simply not serve them. I do of course sympathise with the NHS and Police service, those that abuse the people that are trying to help should be held accountable. Like others have said - I think a majority drink on a Saturday night trouble free. They just ruin it for the others. It's your round
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6:17pm Tue 5 Aug 14

petethefeet says...

People complain about Stag and Hen parties but they are usually good-humoured if a little sizzled. Contrast that to the bus-loads of foul-and-abusive Geordies coming down on pub/wmc trips during the seventies. As a youngster we learned not to go down town on a Saturday race night. Nowadays, it wouldn't stop me but I do share the sentiment that the Racecourse does seem to avoid the attention of the authorities when their clientele go OTT - unlike football clubs.
People complain about Stag and Hen parties but they are usually good-humoured if a little sizzled. Contrast that to the bus-loads of foul-and-abusive Geordies coming down on pub/wmc trips during the seventies. As a youngster we learned not to go down town on a Saturday race night. Nowadays, it wouldn't stop me but I do share the sentiment that the Racecourse does seem to avoid the attention of the authorities when their clientele go OTT - unlike football clubs. petethefeet
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11:05am Wed 6 Aug 14

meme says...

his s not about York its general behaviour everywhere that young UK citizens go out at night
I have no issue with people enjoying themselves and generally York is pretty good natured issues arise but far fewer than most cities with the levels of nightlife York has
Society needs generally to make people realise that totally drunken behaviour is not cool, its degrading AND LEADS TO PROBLEMS AND THE BEST WAY OF DOING THAT IS TO PROPERLY PUNISH UNACCEPTIBLE BEHAVIOUR. This is something we seem incapable of doing
Make them clean up the streets, work as porters in A and E, put them on doors to pubs to see just what its like and perhaps they would get the message and if they don't put them in the cells for a few days
his s not about York its general behaviour everywhere that young UK citizens go out at night I have no issue with people enjoying themselves and generally York is pretty good natured issues arise but far fewer than most cities with the levels of nightlife York has Society needs generally to make people [the small minority] realise that totally drunken behaviour is not cool, its degrading AND LEADS TO PROBLEMS AND THE BEST WAY OF DOING THAT IS TO PROPERLY PUNISH UNACCEPTIBLE BEHAVIOUR. This is something we seem incapable of doing Make them clean up the streets, work as porters in A and E, put them on doors to pubs to see just what its like and perhaps they would get the message and if they don't put them in the cells for a few days meme
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