Rubbish changes

Rubbish changes

Rubbish changes

First published in Letters by

LAST week two York-born teacher friends of mine visited York for the first time in seven years. Below is an extract from a letter I received from them.

“How did we find York? Mmm, not changed for the better. Wandering around the streets after dark and seeing police cars wasn’t encouraging, and there are a lot of grimy corners, especially around the countless cafés and restaurants. Can’t somewhere more discreet be found for rubbish bins?

People are so rude too.

If you are walking along a pavement the only way to stop the hordes of visitors barging into you is to move aside. It is as if you are invisible.

Also there are the brash shop fronts spoiling the look of the old streets. It’s not the way I’d like to remember the place.

At least we enjoyed the visit to the Treasurer’s House and an evening service in the Minster – 20 minutes of peace!”

A disappointment for them coming all the way from Truro. Being York-born they remember the “good old days” when York was a pleasure to visit.

They now understand why I rarely go into town (not least because of the terrible pavements we have to negotiate on our way around the city).

S Watson, Oaken Grove, York

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3:22pm Tue 29 Jul 14

CaroleBaines says...

I suggest the letter says more about the writer, which is usually the way of these things. 'People are rude'??! A generalisation about 200k people is the sort of thinking that racism comes from. Rude too, I would say.
I have many visitors to this city and the vast majority adore it and nobody every complained of rudeness. We see what our nature tells us to see.
I suggest the letter says more about the writer, which is usually the way of these things. 'People are rude'??! A generalisation about 200k people is the sort of thinking that racism comes from. Rude too, I would say. I have many visitors to this city and the vast majority adore it and nobody every complained of rudeness. We see what our nature tells us to see. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 11

7:09pm Tue 29 Jul 14

julia brica says...

Carole sees the worst in everybody. Just ignore the comment.
Carole sees the worst in everybody. Just ignore the comment. julia brica
  • Score: -16

7:50pm Tue 29 Jul 14

CaroleBaines says...

julia brica wrote:
Carole sees the worst in everybody. Just ignore the comment.
But I am saying we have a great city with good people.
[quote][p][bold]julia brica[/bold] wrote: Carole sees the worst in everybody. Just ignore the comment.[/p][/quote]But I am saying we have a great city with good people. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 12

8:43pm Tue 29 Jul 14

notpedallingpaul says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
I suggest the letter says more about the writer, which is usually the way of these things. 'People are rude'??! A generalisation about 200k people is the sort of thinking that racism comes from. Rude too, I would say.
I have many visitors to this city and the vast majority adore it and nobody every complained of rudeness. We see what our nature tells us to see.
There are valid points in the writers letter, the point about people not giving way on pavements is typical, I walked into town on Sunday afternoon, and the number of times that large family's or groups walking towards me expected me to step into the gutter amazed me, no manners whatsoever, so I just stood my ground forcing them to move into single file.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: I suggest the letter says more about the writer, which is usually the way of these things. 'People are rude'??! A generalisation about 200k people is the sort of thinking that racism comes from. Rude too, I would say. I have many visitors to this city and the vast majority adore it and nobody every complained of rudeness. We see what our nature tells us to see.[/p][/quote]There are valid points in the writers letter, the point about people not giving way on pavements is typical, I walked into town on Sunday afternoon, and the number of times that large family's or groups walking towards me expected me to step into the gutter amazed me, no manners whatsoever, so I just stood my ground forcing them to move into single file. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 12

3:08am Wed 30 Jul 14

Magicman! says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
I suggest the letter says more about the writer, which is usually the way of these things. 'People are rude'??! A generalisation about 200k people is the sort of thinking that racism comes from. Rude too, I would say.
I have many visitors to this city and the vast majority adore it and nobody every complained of rudeness. We see what our nature tells us to see.
There are valid points in the writers letter, the point about people not giving way on pavements is typical, I walked into town on Sunday afternoon, and the number of times that large family's or groups walking towards me expected me to step into the gutter amazed me, no manners whatsoever, so I just stood my ground forcing them to move into single file.
Exactly... I saw a woman nearly knocked off her bike by a family of tourists who saw her and deliberately stepped off into the road to try and force her to stop. and nI've been knocked off my bike by tourists who hear my very loud horn to warn them I'm coming along the road, and they just looked at me and carried on - I weaved around one lot and then somebody else stepped out.

The rudeness could be connected to the tourism... York is becoming as popular a tourist 'place to visit' as London - and think of how rude people are down there.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: I suggest the letter says more about the writer, which is usually the way of these things. 'People are rude'??! A generalisation about 200k people is the sort of thinking that racism comes from. Rude too, I would say. I have many visitors to this city and the vast majority adore it and nobody every complained of rudeness. We see what our nature tells us to see.[/p][/quote]There are valid points in the writers letter, the point about people not giving way on pavements is typical, I walked into town on Sunday afternoon, and the number of times that large family's or groups walking towards me expected me to step into the gutter amazed me, no manners whatsoever, so I just stood my ground forcing them to move into single file.[/p][/quote]Exactly... I saw a woman nearly knocked off her bike by a family of tourists who saw her and deliberately stepped off into the road to try and force her to stop. and nI've been knocked off my bike by tourists who hear my very loud horn to warn them I'm coming along the road, and they just looked at me and carried on - I weaved around one lot and then somebody else stepped out. The rudeness could be connected to the tourism... York is becoming as popular a tourist 'place to visit' as London - and think of how rude people are down there. Magicman!
  • Score: -8

3:50pm Wed 30 Jul 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Magicman! wrote:
notpedallingpaul wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
I suggest the letter says more about the writer, which is usually the way of these things. 'People are rude'??! A generalisation about 200k people is the sort of thinking that racism comes from. Rude too, I would say.
I have many visitors to this city and the vast majority adore it and nobody every complained of rudeness. We see what our nature tells us to see.
There are valid points in the writers letter, the point about people not giving way on pavements is typical, I walked into town on Sunday afternoon, and the number of times that large family's or groups walking towards me expected me to step into the gutter amazed me, no manners whatsoever, so I just stood my ground forcing them to move into single file.
Exactly... I saw a woman nearly knocked off her bike by a family of tourists who saw her and deliberately stepped off into the road to try and force her to stop. and nI've been knocked off my bike by tourists who hear my very loud horn to warn them I'm coming along the road, and they just looked at me and carried on - I weaved around one lot and then somebody else stepped out.

The rudeness could be connected to the tourism... York is becoming as popular a tourist 'place to visit' as London - and think of how rude people are down there.
I was always taught to respect age, stand up on a bus to let a lady or an elderly person sit down, sadly that is something this younger generation seem to ignore, I don't blame them, it is the parents who are at fault and they should instill in their children manners and politeness, I sound like a grumpy old man but I do have certain standards in my life.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: I suggest the letter says more about the writer, which is usually the way of these things. 'People are rude'??! A generalisation about 200k people is the sort of thinking that racism comes from. Rude too, I would say. I have many visitors to this city and the vast majority adore it and nobody every complained of rudeness. We see what our nature tells us to see.[/p][/quote]There are valid points in the writers letter, the point about people not giving way on pavements is typical, I walked into town on Sunday afternoon, and the number of times that large family's or groups walking towards me expected me to step into the gutter amazed me, no manners whatsoever, so I just stood my ground forcing them to move into single file.[/p][/quote]Exactly... I saw a woman nearly knocked off her bike by a family of tourists who saw her and deliberately stepped off into the road to try and force her to stop. and nI've been knocked off my bike by tourists who hear my very loud horn to warn them I'm coming along the road, and they just looked at me and carried on - I weaved around one lot and then somebody else stepped out. The rudeness could be connected to the tourism... York is becoming as popular a tourist 'place to visit' as London - and think of how rude people are down there.[/p][/quote]I was always taught to respect age, stand up on a bus to let a lady or an elderly person sit down, sadly that is something this younger generation seem to ignore, I don't blame them, it is the parents who are at fault and they should instill in their children manners and politeness, I sound like a grumpy old man but I do have certain standards in my life. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 5

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