Bitter hatred

York Press: Bitter hatred Bitter hatred

THE problems in Israel, reported in every bulletin and paper, are, alas, just another example of the bitter hatred of Israel, as a state, against the Palestinians, who from even before the founding of the state have been persecuted, displaced, squeezed constantly into small and smaller areas of what was their land, and denied every form of justice.

Yes, occasionally the resentment and despair of the Palestinians breaks out into violence against Israel – mostly the small-scale violence of a people without an army.

We hear of the sad deaths of three young people from one of the illegal settlements carved out of Palestinian land, who were hitch-hiking near Hebron. Yet Hebron is an example of the persecution of Palestinians by Israelis and it would be surprising if tempers did not sometimes fray.

But the response is predictable: culprits are announced, without any proof or legal process.

The media no longer report the daily and weekly killings of Palestinians by Israelis, the seizing of children by armed soldiers, and their imprisonment, without charge or trial, for long periods, as well as the constant harassment by young Israeli conscripts of Palestinians at the many checkpoints which control their every journey.

Joyce Pickard, Hansom Place, York.

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5:02pm Fri 11 Jul 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

'Yes, occasionally the resentment and despair of the Palestinians breaks out into violence against Israel – mostly the small-scale violence of a people without an army.'

Is that what you call constant rocket attacks Joyce?
'Yes, occasionally the resentment and despair of the Palestinians breaks out into violence against Israel – mostly the small-scale violence of a people without an army.' Is that what you call constant rocket attacks Joyce? ColdAsChristmas
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6:07pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Jonothon says...

The gullibility of the public has certainly enabled Israel to get away with an illegal occupation, and crimes against humanity for decades. Fortunately that is changing as people become better informed.
Israel would like to keep the focus on the barbaric murder of the three Jewish boys. However the back-story shows the true extent of Israel's inhumanity towards the Palestinians.

Over the last 13 years a Palestinian child has been killed every three days by Israel. In total that is 1,518 Palestinian children have been killed by Israel's occupation forces since September 2000, and that over the same period at least 6,000 children were injured. Since the kidnapping of the three Israeli teenagers on the illegally-held West Bank and their subsequent funerals, seven west Bank Palestinians have been killed, four of them teenagers, two of them shot by Israeli snipers. None of this is ever reported in the west, though the kidnap and murder of Jewish Israeli children makes worldwide headlines. Another 100 people mostly elderly and the very young have been slaughtered in the onslaught in Gaza. The murdered Israeli boys were not killed by anyone from Gaza, their bodies were found in the West Bank. Collective punishment of this kin is illegal under the Geneva convention.
Meanwhile the nuclear power Israel, is portrayed as the victim despite the fact that the futile unguided rockets from Gaza have Harmed nobody

This of course does not include the torture and imprisonment of children, a routine practice by Israel. The recent video of the Arab teenager being brutalised by the Israeli army has only been widely circulated because the boy is an American passport holder. For Palestinian children living in Israel or for the children of the West Bank, the brutality of the occupation is an everyday fact of life.
The gullibility of the public has certainly enabled Israel to get away with an illegal occupation, and crimes against humanity for decades. Fortunately that is changing as people become better informed. Israel would like to keep the focus on the barbaric murder of the three Jewish boys. However the back-story shows the true extent of Israel's inhumanity towards the Palestinians. Over the last 13 years a Palestinian child has been killed every three days by Israel. In total that is 1,518 Palestinian children have been killed by Israel's occupation forces since September 2000, and that over the same period at least 6,000 children were injured. Since the kidnapping of the three Israeli teenagers on the illegally-held West Bank and their subsequent funerals, seven west Bank Palestinians have been killed, four of them teenagers, two of them shot by Israeli snipers. None of this is ever reported in the west, though the kidnap and murder of Jewish Israeli children makes worldwide headlines. Another 100 people mostly elderly and the very young have been slaughtered in the onslaught in Gaza. The murdered Israeli boys were not killed by anyone from Gaza, their bodies were found in the West Bank. Collective punishment of this kin is illegal under the Geneva convention. Meanwhile the nuclear power Israel, is portrayed as the victim despite the fact that the futile unguided rockets from Gaza have Harmed nobody This of course does not include the torture and imprisonment of children, a routine practice by Israel. The recent video of the Arab teenager being brutalised by the Israeli army has only been widely circulated because the boy is an American passport holder. For Palestinian children living in Israel or for the children of the West Bank, the brutality of the occupation is an everyday fact of life. Jonothon
  • Score: -6

9:34am Sat 12 Jul 14

NoMorePlease says...

It is mind-sets like the letter writer and no doubt pro-Israeli as well, that it half the problem. Never admitting wrong on their own side.
It is mind-sets like the letter writer and no doubt pro-Israeli as well, that it half the problem. Never admitting wrong on their own side. NoMorePlease
  • Score: 2

11:33am Sun 13 Jul 14

Jonothon says...

NoMorePlease wrote:
It is mind-sets like the letter writer and no doubt pro-Israeli as well, that it half the problem. Never admitting wrong on their own side.
Is that just your way of telling us you don't know much about the issue?
[quote][p][bold]NoMorePlease[/bold] wrote: It is mind-sets like the letter writer and no doubt pro-Israeli as well, that it half the problem. Never admitting wrong on their own side.[/p][/quote]Is that just your way of telling us you don't know much about the issue? Jonothon
  • Score: -3

12:09pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Davidka says...

'Jonothon', the philosopher John Stuart Mill once said, "He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that."
'Jonothon', the philosopher John Stuart Mill once said, "He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." Davidka
  • Score: 1

2:43pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Jonothon says...

That sounds like common sense from Mill, even though he got it wrong about Utilitarianism, but what point are you making?
That sounds like common sense from Mill, even though he got it wrong about Utilitarianism, but what point are you making? Jonothon
  • Score: -4

5:34pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Emperor Palpatine says...

Would we make peace with an organisation whose constitution calls for our elimination? If Hamas want peace let them stop firing rockets. There is one democracy in that region, Israel. Last time I checked when Christ entered Jerusalem He went to the Jewish Temple not the mosque.
Would we make peace with an organisation whose constitution calls for our elimination? If Hamas want peace let them stop firing rockets. There is one democracy in that region, Israel. Last time I checked when Christ entered Jerusalem He went to the Jewish Temple not the mosque. Emperor Palpatine
  • Score: 6

10:31am Mon 14 Jul 14

gwen4me says...

Firstly Christ has nothing to do with this matter, secondly there wasn`t a mosque in 33 ad, and lastly democracy isn`t the only form of government. Israel have forfeited any right they had for sympathy after the Holocaust, because they are using the same methods against the Palestinians. America should be ashamed of itself.
Firstly Christ has nothing to do with this matter, secondly there wasn`t a mosque in 33 ad, and lastly democracy isn`t the only form of government. Israel have forfeited any right they had for sympathy after the Holocaust, because they are using the same methods against the Palestinians. America should be ashamed of itself. gwen4me
  • Score: -4

11:04am Mon 14 Jul 14

Davidka says...

A disgusting and purely anti semitic analogy. You should be ashamed.
A disgusting and purely anti semitic analogy. You should be ashamed. Davidka
  • Score: 2

11:18am Mon 14 Jul 14

Emperor Palpatine says...

gwen4me wrote:
Firstly Christ has nothing to do with this matter, secondly there wasn`t a mosque in 33 ad, and lastly democracy isn`t the only form of government. Israel have forfeited any right they had for sympathy after the Holocaust, because they are using the same methods against the Palestinians. America should be ashamed of itself.
Quite right, no mosque in 33 AD as Islam was founded centuries later. Now what does that tell you about whose land it is? It belongs to Israel.
[quote][p][bold]gwen4me[/bold] wrote: Firstly Christ has nothing to do with this matter, secondly there wasn`t a mosque in 33 ad, and lastly democracy isn`t the only form of government. Israel have forfeited any right they had for sympathy after the Holocaust, because they are using the same methods against the Palestinians. America should be ashamed of itself.[/p][/quote]Quite right, no mosque in 33 AD as Islam was founded centuries later. Now what does that tell you about whose land it is? It belongs to Israel. Emperor Palpatine
  • Score: 3

11:44am Mon 14 Jul 14

Davidka says...

Children children. The history of this land is so bitter and bloody. Each side referring back to score points gets us nowhere. The dynamics of history have dealt bad cards to many peoples over the centuries, the Aborigines, The Maoris, the native Americans, the Africans who were enslaved to name but a few. For the sake of future Israeli and Palestinian children this mindless and futile conflict has got to stop and the hatred has got to be replaced with a practical approach to resolving the differences. The hatred has got neither side anywhere. Just death, destruction and an abiding sadness. People are the same and want the same things. A roof over their head, enough to live on and a future for their families. The idiots manipulating this conflict for their own purposes should be made to move on. Let Palestinians and Israelis finally have the future they both deserve.
Children children. The history of this land is so bitter and bloody. Each side referring back to score points gets us nowhere. The dynamics of history have dealt bad cards to many peoples over the centuries, the Aborigines, The Maoris, the native Americans, the Africans who were enslaved to name but a few. For the sake of future Israeli and Palestinian children this mindless and futile conflict has got to stop and the hatred has got to be replaced with a practical approach to resolving the differences. The hatred has got neither side anywhere. Just death, destruction and an abiding sadness. People are the same and want the same things. A roof over their head, enough to live on and a future for their families. The idiots manipulating this conflict for their own purposes should be made to move on. Let Palestinians and Israelis finally have the future they both deserve. Davidka
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Mon 14 Jul 14

gwen4me says...

Emperor Palpatine wrote:
gwen4me wrote:
Firstly Christ has nothing to do with this matter, secondly there wasn`t a mosque in 33 ad, and lastly democracy isn`t the only form of government. Israel have forfeited any right they had for sympathy after the Holocaust, because they are using the same methods against the Palestinians. America should be ashamed of itself.
Quite right, no mosque in 33 AD as Islam was founded centuries later. Now what does that tell you about whose land it is? It belongs to Israel.
If we are to believe the old testament, the israelites were a wandering tribe who settled in Israel, which was already inhabited when they got there. As in all lands, wave after wave of migration shaped the history of Canaan and the arrival of the Romans signalled mass emigration for jewish people. After the 2nd world war and a nasty guerilla campaign by David ben Gurion and others, Britain handed Palestine to the Jewish people lock stock and barrel. Since then, the Jewish people have steadily eroded the rights of the indiginous arab population, and have effectively ethnically cleansed many Palestinians off their land. The whole story is a tragedy and there are no simple solutions, but saying Palestine belongs to Israel is like saying England belongs to Scandinavia.
[quote][p][bold]Emperor Palpatine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gwen4me[/bold] wrote: Firstly Christ has nothing to do with this matter, secondly there wasn`t a mosque in 33 ad, and lastly democracy isn`t the only form of government. Israel have forfeited any right they had for sympathy after the Holocaust, because they are using the same methods against the Palestinians. America should be ashamed of itself.[/p][/quote]Quite right, no mosque in 33 AD as Islam was founded centuries later. Now what does that tell you about whose land it is? It belongs to Israel.[/p][/quote]If we are to believe the old testament, the israelites were a wandering tribe who settled in Israel, which was already inhabited when they got there. As in all lands, wave after wave of migration shaped the history of Canaan and the arrival of the Romans signalled mass emigration for jewish people. After the 2nd world war and a nasty guerilla campaign by David ben Gurion and others, Britain handed Palestine to the Jewish people lock stock and barrel. Since then, the Jewish people have steadily eroded the rights of the indiginous arab population, and have effectively ethnically cleansed many Palestinians off their land. The whole story is a tragedy and there are no simple solutions, but saying Palestine belongs to Israel is like saying England belongs to Scandinavia. gwen4me
  • Score: -3

3:57pm Mon 14 Jul 14

gwen4me says...

Davidka wrote:
A disgusting and purely anti semitic analogy. You should be ashamed.
I have nothing against Israelis, I have an awful lot of problems with Zionists. There is a difference
[quote][p][bold]Davidka[/bold] wrote: A disgusting and purely anti semitic analogy. You should be ashamed.[/p][/quote]I have nothing against Israelis, I have an awful lot of problems with Zionists. There is a difference gwen4me
  • Score: -2

4:05pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Davidka says...

There is no difference really. Being a Zionist simply means believing in a homeland for the Jews. Something millions of people throughout the world believe in. I stand by my previous comment about your disgusting analogy.
There is no difference really. Being a Zionist simply means believing in a homeland for the Jews. Something millions of people throughout the world believe in. I stand by my previous comment about your disgusting analogy. Davidka
  • Score: 2

4:25pm Mon 14 Jul 14

gwen4me says...

There are probably more non Zionists in Israel than Zionists. My analogy is good enough for me, sorry you don`t like it. However, systematic evictions, diversion of water supplies, Israeli terrorism in Gaza and the West bank and a refusal to comply with UN sanctions makes Israel beyond the pale for me. I have nothing against a State for Israelis, I just loathe the attitude of those who think God gives them some right to push other people around.
There are probably more non Zionists in Israel than Zionists. My analogy is good enough for me, sorry you don`t like it. However, systematic evictions, diversion of water supplies, Israeli terrorism in Gaza and the West bank and a refusal to comply with UN sanctions makes Israel beyond the pale for me. I have nothing against a State for Israelis, I just loathe the attitude of those who think God gives them some right to push other people around. gwen4me
  • Score: -2

4:40pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Emperor Palpatine says...

gwen4me wrote:
Emperor Palpatine wrote:
gwen4me wrote:
Firstly Christ has nothing to do with this matter, secondly there wasn`t a mosque in 33 ad, and lastly democracy isn`t the only form of government. Israel have forfeited any right they had for sympathy after the Holocaust, because they are using the same methods against the Palestinians. America should be ashamed of itself.
Quite right, no mosque in 33 AD as Islam was founded centuries later. Now what does that tell you about whose land it is? It belongs to Israel.
If we are to believe the old testament, the israelites were a wandering tribe who settled in Israel, which was already inhabited when they got there. As in all lands, wave after wave of migration shaped the history of Canaan and the arrival of the Romans signalled mass emigration for jewish people. After the 2nd world war and a nasty guerilla campaign by David ben Gurion and others, Britain handed Palestine to the Jewish people lock stock and barrel. Since then, the Jewish people have steadily eroded the rights of the indiginous arab population, and have effectively ethnically cleansed many Palestinians off their land. The whole story is a tragedy and there are no simple solutions, but saying Palestine belongs to Israel is like saying England belongs to Scandinavia.
No it isn't saying like England belongs to Scandinavia, Northern Europe and the Middle East are two different areas with two different cultures. Israel is the Jewish homeland, if the Palestinians want peace and a land of their own they first need to stop firing rockets into Israel and elect a government that doesn't have Israel's destruction as part of its Constitution. I'm fully aware of the Biblical history, the word Palestine derives from Philistine, they've always been at each others throats. Israel has been a model of restraint in the face of provocation, even going so far as sending warnings 5 minutes before attacks, something Hamas would never do. There will always be innocent deaths in war but the Palestinians need to look to their own choices to see the cause of it. have you forgotten what started this latest round of violence? The murder of 3 Jewish young people.
[quote][p][bold]gwen4me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Emperor Palpatine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gwen4me[/bold] wrote: Firstly Christ has nothing to do with this matter, secondly there wasn`t a mosque in 33 ad, and lastly democracy isn`t the only form of government. Israel have forfeited any right they had for sympathy after the Holocaust, because they are using the same methods against the Palestinians. America should be ashamed of itself.[/p][/quote]Quite right, no mosque in 33 AD as Islam was founded centuries later. Now what does that tell you about whose land it is? It belongs to Israel.[/p][/quote]If we are to believe the old testament, the israelites were a wandering tribe who settled in Israel, which was already inhabited when they got there. As in all lands, wave after wave of migration shaped the history of Canaan and the arrival of the Romans signalled mass emigration for jewish people. After the 2nd world war and a nasty guerilla campaign by David ben Gurion and others, Britain handed Palestine to the Jewish people lock stock and barrel. Since then, the Jewish people have steadily eroded the rights of the indiginous arab population, and have effectively ethnically cleansed many Palestinians off their land. The whole story is a tragedy and there are no simple solutions, but saying Palestine belongs to Israel is like saying England belongs to Scandinavia.[/p][/quote]No it isn't saying like England belongs to Scandinavia, Northern Europe and the Middle East are two different areas with two different cultures. Israel is the Jewish homeland, if the Palestinians want peace and a land of their own they first need to stop firing rockets into Israel and elect a government that doesn't have Israel's destruction as part of its Constitution. I'm fully aware of the Biblical history, the word Palestine derives from Philistine, they've always been at each others throats. Israel has been a model of restraint in the face of provocation, even going so far as sending warnings 5 minutes before attacks, something Hamas would never do. There will always be innocent deaths in war but the Palestinians need to look to their own choices to see the cause of it. have you forgotten what started this latest round of violence? The murder of 3 Jewish young people. Emperor Palpatine
  • Score: 1

4:50pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Davidka says...

gwen4me wrote:
There are probably more non Zionists in Israel than Zionists. My analogy is good enough for me, sorry you don`t like it. However, systematic evictions, diversion of water supplies, Israeli terrorism in Gaza and the West bank and a refusal to comply with UN sanctions makes Israel beyond the pale for me. I have nothing against a State for Israelis, I just loathe the attitude of those who think God gives them some right to push other people around.
Agree to differ on your questionable comments. One thing I do agree with you though. Anyone who thinks their God puts them above others and gives them a right to murder in their God's name should perhaps search elsewhere for their guidance. These people do not just exist in Israel.
[quote][p][bold]gwen4me[/bold] wrote: There are probably more non Zionists in Israel than Zionists. My analogy is good enough for me, sorry you don`t like it. However, systematic evictions, diversion of water supplies, Israeli terrorism in Gaza and the West bank and a refusal to comply with UN sanctions makes Israel beyond the pale for me. I have nothing against a State for Israelis, I just loathe the attitude of those who think God gives them some right to push other people around.[/p][/quote]Agree to differ on your questionable comments. One thing I do agree with you though. Anyone who thinks their God puts them above others and gives them a right to murder in their God's name should perhaps search elsewhere for their guidance. These people do not just exist in Israel. Davidka
  • Score: 1

4:54pm Mon 14 Jul 14

gwen4me says...

Davidka wrote:
gwen4me wrote:
There are probably more non Zionists in Israel than Zionists. My analogy is good enough for me, sorry you don`t like it. However, systematic evictions, diversion of water supplies, Israeli terrorism in Gaza and the West bank and a refusal to comply with UN sanctions makes Israel beyond the pale for me. I have nothing against a State for Israelis, I just loathe the attitude of those who think God gives them some right to push other people around.
Agree to differ on your questionable comments. One thing I do agree with you though. Anyone who thinks their God puts them above others and gives them a right to murder in their God's name should perhaps search elsewhere for their guidance. These people do not just exist in Israel.
This is what Israel and the Palestinians should be doing, it happened in N. Ireland and South Africa, and it is time it happened in the Middle East. It`s good to talk, ignorance breeds fear.
[quote][p][bold]Davidka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gwen4me[/bold] wrote: There are probably more non Zionists in Israel than Zionists. My analogy is good enough for me, sorry you don`t like it. However, systematic evictions, diversion of water supplies, Israeli terrorism in Gaza and the West bank and a refusal to comply with UN sanctions makes Israel beyond the pale for me. I have nothing against a State for Israelis, I just loathe the attitude of those who think God gives them some right to push other people around.[/p][/quote]Agree to differ on your questionable comments. One thing I do agree with you though. Anyone who thinks their God puts them above others and gives them a right to murder in their God's name should perhaps search elsewhere for their guidance. These people do not just exist in Israel.[/p][/quote]This is what Israel and the Palestinians should be doing, it happened in N. Ireland and South Africa, and it is time it happened in the Middle East. It`s good to talk, ignorance breeds fear. gwen4me
  • Score: -1

1:33am Wed 16 Jul 14

BAJNY says...

My grandfather moved from Wales to London a little over a century ago, and married my English grandmother. He did not try to expel all the English people (other than her I assume) from Southern England on the grounds that the land was Celtic almost a couple of millennia back; he did not demand the “return” of Stonehenge; he did not try to bring back the Druids; he did not even infuse the kids with Welsh nationalism and/or hatred of the English. Pretty naive, by present day standards, I guess.
My grandfather moved from Wales to London a little over a century ago, and married my English grandmother. He did not try to expel all the English people (other than her I assume) from Southern England on the grounds that the land was Celtic almost a couple of millennia back; he did not demand the “return” of Stonehenge; he did not try to bring back the Druids; he did not even infuse the kids with Welsh nationalism and/or hatred of the English. Pretty naive, by present day standards, I guess. BAJNY
  • Score: 1
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