Living Wage could hit business hard

York Press: Living Wage could hit business hard Living Wage could hit business hard

IN REPLY to Rev Macnaughton (Letters, June 27), I did not claim the Living Wage Commission called for the payments to be mandatory. I understand that it is (currently) a voluntary aspiration rather than a legislative objective.

My point is that a 20 per cent hike in wages is not insignificant but a massive cost increase that many firms will not be able to sustain.

The living wage has the capacity to destroy very many jobs and make unemployment far worse than it is at present. This should not be underestimated.

Those who are claiming that one million people can be awarded the Living Wage increase with “no adverse effects on the economy” are people like the Archbishop of York’s Chief of Staff. In other words people who don’t have to do it.

It is the easiest thing in the world to tell others what they should be doing.

If it is so achievable to set up and run viable businesses paying good wages then why don’t all the members of the Living Wage Commission start enterprises themselves to show us all how it can be done?

Matthew Laverack, Entrepreneur of this parish, Lord Mayor’s Walk, York.

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11:08am Wed 2 Jul 14

The Great Buda says...

Why should my taxes be used to support private jobs Mr Laverack?
Why should my taxes be used to support private jobs Mr Laverack? The Great Buda
  • Score: 26

11:35am Wed 2 Jul 14

Zetkin says...

Real wages have been stagnant or falling for several years now.

Poverty pay is hitting workers hard, while profits are rising.

Mr Laverack can bleat all he wants, and I'm sure his cyber fan club will be along very shortly to back him up, but the reality is that many businesses can easily afford to pay their workers more; they simply don't want to reduce profits and shareholders' dividends.
Real wages have been stagnant or falling for several years now. Poverty pay is hitting workers hard, while profits are rising. Mr Laverack can bleat all he wants, and I'm sure his cyber fan club will be along very shortly to back him up, but the reality is that many businesses can easily afford to pay their workers more; they simply don't want to reduce profits and shareholders' dividends. Zetkin
  • Score: 26

1:27pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

It is the easiest thing in the world to tell others what they should be doing.

There speaks the voice of experience.

Architect, mebbe. Economist, I think not.
[quote]It is the easiest thing in the world to tell others what they should be doing.[/quote] There speaks the voice of experience. Architect, mebbe. Economist, I think not. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -2

2:40pm Wed 2 Jul 14

The Great Buda says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
It is the easiest thing in the world to tell others what they should be doing.

There speaks the voice of experience.

Architect, mebbe. Economist, I think not.
Well he is the "Know it all of this Parish".
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]It is the easiest thing in the world to tell others what they should be doing.[/quote] There speaks the voice of experience. Architect, mebbe. Economist, I think not.[/p][/quote]Well he is the "Know it all of this Parish". The Great Buda
  • Score: 22

4:31pm Wed 2 Jul 14

wallman says...

buda, buzz light have you tried to run your own business ?
buda, buzz light have you tried to run your own business ? wallman
  • Score: -23

5:01pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Omega Point says...

It is the cost of employing people over and above the actual wage bill that needs to be remembered
It is the cost of employing people over and above the actual wage bill that needs to be remembered Omega Point
  • Score: 8

7:21pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

wallman wrote:
buda, buzz light have you tried to run your own business ?
Yes I do. For many years now.

How about you?
And what's your point?
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: buda, buzz light have you tried to run your own business ?[/p][/quote]Yes I do. For many years now. How about you? And what's your point? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -2

9:12pm Wed 2 Jul 14

wallman says...

do you pay the living wage?
do you pay the living wage? wallman
  • Score: 1

2:24am Thu 3 Jul 14

Magicman! says...

At the very most, it would only be small family-run businesses that might not be able to pay a living wage - and for that the government should set up a fund that can subsidise these small businesses (they could divert money away from the fund used to pay for duck houses and mortgages on second houses, after all if *their* wages can't fund such items then perhaps they should follow the example of the everyday bloke on the street and *not have such things*)...

Medium and larger companies certainly have more than enough funds going round to give their staff a decent wage. The problem is that such companies are run by people who see the National Minimum Wage, not as a benchmark, but as a target: "how many people can I put onto NMW and not a penny more and get away with it...". Take a look on jobsearch websites, and you will see a wide variety of jobs, some are quite skilled and/or entail a lot of manual work, at only NMW.
At the very most, it would only be small family-run businesses that might not be able to pay a living wage - and for that the government should set up a fund that can subsidise these small businesses (they could divert money away from the fund used to pay for duck houses and mortgages on second houses, after all if *their* wages can't fund such items then perhaps they should follow the example of the everyday bloke on the street and *not have such things*)... Medium and larger companies certainly have more than enough funds going round to give their staff a decent wage. The problem is that such companies are run by people who see the National Minimum Wage, not as a benchmark, but as a target: "how many people can I put onto NMW and not a penny more and get away with it...". Take a look on jobsearch websites, and you will see a wide variety of jobs, some are quite skilled and/or entail a lot of manual work, at only NMW. Magicman!
  • Score: 13

1:15pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

wallman wrote:
do you pay the living wage?
More, obviously.
A space ranger's wage is going to be considerably more than 7 quid odd.

So I've answered you, I say again - How about you?


The thing being, because I run my own business and I am a businessman and entrepreneur of this parish, how does that qualify me to be telling everyone else what they should be paying? How does that make me qualified for a say on national or citywide economics and/or politics? To advise specially appointed commissions on their decisions?

It doesn't.

Me - businessman, mebbe. Economist, I think not.
But I'm enough of a thinker to see the flaw in Mr Laverack's usual simplistic, generalised analysis.
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: do you pay the living wage?[/p][/quote]More, obviously. A space ranger's wage is going to be considerably more than 7 quid odd. So I've answered you, I say again - How about you? The thing being, because I run my own business and I am a businessman and entrepreneur of this parish, how does that qualify me to be telling everyone else what they should be paying? How does that make me qualified for a say on national or citywide economics and/or politics? To advise specially appointed commissions on their decisions? It doesn't. Me - businessman, mebbe. Economist, I think not. But I'm enough of a thinker to see the flaw in Mr Laverack's usual simplistic, generalised analysis. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -2

1:35pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
johns78 wrote:
Well then Mathew as an Entrepreneur you should think about the people you are about to employ and not be a greedy ****!!!!!!! If employers were more like Mr Rowntree and his generation who put loads back into tge community and paid his staff fairly we wouldn't be in this situation. Unfortunately most employers are like you and selfish and greedy!
'johns78' a new identity for a regular MatthewLaverack basher?

I think so.....
Well Paul, johns78's post doesn't really come across as attacking Matthew Laverack (unless it suits you to say that of course)
It reads like the writer isn't singling out Mr L, but is attacking all employers, especially greedy ones. Mr L is the named employer in this instance.
It looks like johns78 has probably had a tough time working hard for not enough and has been maybe stiffed somewhere along the line, y'know, made redundant, refused a payrise, seen colleagues unfairly promoted ahead of him, that sort of thing?


Soooo....... "Matthew Laverack basher"
There's no such thing!
It's just another thing you've made up to help reinforce this role that you and him like to play of the big victim. "The poor champion of truth attacked from all sides by persistently pernicious little snakes because they can't handle the Big Truths that they are being told."
No.
The truth is Mr L (and you) seem unable to understand what makes a difference of opinion or of ideology, a picking up of flaws in arguments and simplistic faulty logic. It is not an attack.
And it most certainly is not "bashing"

Avoiding grown-up discussion in that way and refusing to ever concede even the tiniest point is immature. It reminds me of a teenager I know - every time she is asked to help around the house with something like washing up or to take responsibility for washing her own clothes she huffs and says "Huh! It's so unfair! Why are you picking on me?"

No matter how you style and see yourselves, the rest of us have eyes and brains.

"Matthew Laverack basher" = contrived fake caricature to suit you.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johns78[/bold] wrote: Well then Mathew as an Entrepreneur you should think about the people you are about to employ and not be a greedy ****!!!!!!! If employers were more like Mr Rowntree and his generation who put loads back into tge community and paid his staff fairly we wouldn't be in this situation. Unfortunately most employers are like you and selfish and greedy![/p][/quote]'johns78' a new identity for a regular MatthewLaverack basher? I think so.....[/p][/quote]Well Paul, johns78's post doesn't really come across as attacking Matthew Laverack (unless it suits you to say that of course) It reads like the writer isn't singling out Mr L, but is attacking all employers, especially greedy ones. Mr L is the named employer in this instance. It looks like johns78 has probably had a tough time working hard for not enough and has been maybe stiffed somewhere along the line, y'know, made redundant, refused a payrise, seen colleagues unfairly promoted ahead of him, that sort of thing? Soooo....... "Matthew Laverack basher" There's no such thing! It's just another thing you've made up to help reinforce this role that you and him like to play of the big victim. "The poor champion of truth attacked from all sides by persistently pernicious little snakes because they can't handle the Big Truths that they are being told." No. The truth is Mr L (and you) seem unable to understand what makes a difference of opinion or of ideology, a picking up of flaws in arguments and simplistic faulty logic. It is not an attack. And it most certainly is not "bashing" Avoiding grown-up discussion in that way and refusing to ever concede even the tiniest point is immature. It reminds me of a teenager I know - every time she is asked to help around the house with something like washing up or to take responsibility for washing her own clothes she huffs and says "Huh! It's so unfair! Why are you picking on me?" No matter how you style and see yourselves, the rest of us have eyes and brains. "Matthew Laverack basher" = contrived fake caricature to suit you. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -2

6:40pm Thu 3 Jul 14

julia brica says...

Do you employ anyone Buzz ? or are you self employed and just paying yourself.
Just trying to establish what qualifies you to criticise an actual EMPLOYER.
Do you employ anyone Buzz ? or are you self employed and just paying yourself. Just trying to establish what qualifies you to criticise an actual EMPLOYER. julia brica
  • Score: 2

8:07pm Thu 3 Jul 14

wallman says...

buzz I used to run my own garage but then a very nice man made me a too good to miss offer, now very happy retired reading silly comments like ' I'm a space ranger', what do you want to be when you grow up?
buzz I used to run my own garage but then a very nice man made me a too good to miss offer, now very happy retired reading silly comments like ' I'm a space ranger', what do you want to be when you grow up? wallman
  • Score: 2

9:21pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

julia brica wrote:
Do you employ anyone Buzz ? or are you self employed and just paying yourself.
Just trying to establish what qualifies you to criticise an actual EMPLOYER.
Uncanny.

Striking paraphrase of the time a few years ago when I said I had experience of the building business and one or other of the fake IDs declared I had maybe been a labourer on a site once.

What a coincidence! :-D

You don't get folk to see your point by being patronising, bro.

It was wallman's goading that I answered. I'm interested in wallman's answer in return.
Why did you take it upon yourself to deputise?
Based on recorded past history, you make it look like yet another suspect ID alert attached to a Matthew Laverack story.

Hmmmmm.

Just trying to establish what qualifies you to criticise an actual EMPLOYER.

For the millionth time - I'm not criticising the man.
I know it serves you well to ignore that, I know it's the big put-on - "ooh the poor victim! He has been in the wars! And SO unfair! How *dare* they??"

How many ways to say I find his analysis simplistic and flawed?
Again. That's it.
I like facts and logic. I don't care who they belong to as long they are sound. Economics is a lot easier when viewed dispassionately.

As it happens I'm qualified to do that because I'm a thinker, not a dogmatic kneejerking sycophant.

What's the Italian for "How's about you?"
[quote][p][bold]julia brica[/bold] wrote: Do you employ anyone Buzz ? or are you self employed and just paying yourself. Just trying to establish what qualifies you to criticise an actual EMPLOYER.[/p][/quote]Uncanny. Striking paraphrase of the time a few years ago when I said I had experience of the building business and one or other of the fake IDs declared I had maybe been a labourer on a site once. What a coincidence! :-D You don't get folk to see your point by being patronising, bro. It was wallman's goading that I answered. I'm interested in wallman's answer in return. Why did you take it upon yourself to deputise? Based on recorded past history, you make it look like yet another suspect ID alert attached to a Matthew Laverack story. Hmmmmm. [quote] Just trying to establish what qualifies you to criticise an actual EMPLOYER.[/quote] For the millionth time - I'm not criticising the man. I know it serves you well to ignore that, I know it's the big put-on - "ooh the poor victim! He has been in the wars! And SO unfair! How *dare* they??" How many ways to say I find his analysis simplistic and flawed? Again. That's it. I like facts and logic. I don't care who they belong to as long they are sound. Economics is a lot easier when viewed dispassionately. As it happens I'm qualified to do that because I'm a thinker, not a dogmatic kneejerking sycophant. What's the Italian for "How's about you?" Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -2

9:00am Fri 4 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

wallman wrote:
buzz I used to run my own garage but then a very nice man made me a too good to miss offer, now very happy retired reading silly comments like ' I'm a space ranger', what do you want to be when you grow up?
What do I want to be? Here's your answer - happy and healthy.

I happen to think that staying young at heart is key to staying young in body and health.
If I go all serious and boring then that's the quick route to old age and decrepitude.
I don't want that.

Lighten up a little, life can be fun.
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: buzz I used to run my own garage but then a very nice man made me a too good to miss offer, now very happy retired reading silly comments like ' I'm a space ranger', what do you want to be when you grow up?[/p][/quote]What do I want to be? Here's your answer - happy and healthy. I happen to think that staying young at heart is key to staying young in body and health. If I go all serious and boring then that's the quick route to old age and decrepitude. I don't want that. Lighten up a little, life can be fun. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -2

3:41pm Fri 4 Jul 14

wallman says...

my life is fun since I retired
my life is fun since I retired wallman
  • Score: 1

7:48pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Hahahaha!
Look at all my minus 2 again!
With respect again to a Matthew Laverack story.

Bent.

:-D
Hahahaha! Look at all my minus 2 again! With respect again to a Matthew Laverack story. Bent. :-D Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -2

11:46pm Fri 4 Jul 14

wallman says...

buzz you still have not said who you employ or are you just bullsh*tting
buzz you still have not said who you employ or are you just bullsh*tting wallman
  • Score: 1

1:04am Sat 5 Jul 14

Emperor Palpatine says...

Usual bleating from an employer, I bet he doesn't take home NMW. Can't pay your workers fairly? Don't be in business then. Supermarkets earn millions but pay their staff peanuts when they could easily afford the Living Wage. What's their excuse? They haven't got one other than profit. Then to add insult to injury the taxpayer has to top up the staff wages in the form of tax credits. I'd strongly advise anyone in a NMW job that has no incentive and no prospect of advancement, in other words no way of improving things by your own efforts, to do the absolute minimum your contract requires until the day comes that you can get a better job, then tell 'em to get stuffed. You may be in a rubbish job but that doesn't mean you have to be exploited, check out your employment rights and also join a Trade Union, preferably one that is interested in its members interests not Labour Party politics and pushing a PC agenda.
Usual bleating from an employer, I bet he doesn't take home NMW. Can't pay your workers fairly? Don't be in business then. Supermarkets earn millions but pay their staff peanuts when they could easily afford the Living Wage. What's their excuse? They haven't got one other than profit. Then to add insult to injury the taxpayer has to top up the staff wages in the form of tax credits. I'd strongly advise anyone in a NMW job that has no incentive and no prospect of advancement, in other words no way of improving things by your own efforts, to do the absolute minimum your contract requires until the day comes that you can get a better job, then tell 'em to get stuffed. You may be in a rubbish job but that doesn't mean you have to be exploited, check out your employment rights and also join a Trade Union, preferably one that is interested in its members interests not Labour Party politics and pushing a PC agenda. Emperor Palpatine
  • Score: 4

5:04am Sat 5 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

wallman wrote:
buzz you still have not said who you employ or are you just bullsh*tting
Jeez what do want? Their national insurance numbers?
What's it to you anyway?

I'm not the one who needs to defend the shaky economics or dodgy politics I've written in a letter to the Press.
Why don't you hound Matthew for his payroll details?
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: buzz you still have not said who you employ or are you just bullsh*tting[/p][/quote]Jeez what do want? Their national insurance numbers? What's it to you anyway? I'm not the one who needs to defend the shaky economics or dodgy politics I've written in a letter to the Press. Why don't you hound Matthew for his payroll details? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -1

2:33pm Sat 5 Jul 14

wallman says...

5.04 on a sat morning cant you sleep or worrying about your nmw
5.04 on a sat morning cant you sleep or worrying about your nmw wallman
  • Score: 1

6:50pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

wallman wrote:
5.04 on a sat morning cant you sleep or worrying about your nmw
Got anything worthwhile to add?
Support for Mr Laverack's simplistic assertions?
Some advice that offers a solution?
Some basic economics?

No?

Just the usual immature goady, baity, niggly trolling type of stuff?

Fancy that? On a Matthew Laverack thread too. Who would have ever thought it?
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: 5.04 on a sat morning cant you sleep or worrying about your nmw[/p][/quote]Got anything worthwhile to add? Support for Mr Laverack's simplistic assertions? Some advice that offers a solution? Some basic economics? No? Just the usual immature goady, baity, niggly trolling type of stuff? Fancy that? On a Matthew Laverack thread too. Who would have ever thought it? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -1
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