Get off footpath

York Press: Get off footpath Get off footpath

AS A pedestrian, I am fed up with cyclists who think they have a right of way on footpaths.

Pavements are for walking on and not cycling.

Some cyclists even expect you to move out of the way or step into the road. Also I have encountered many times nearly being knocked over on crossings when the green man is on for me to cross, cyclists taking it upon themselves to cycle through red lights.

My colleague suffers no end of abuse while walking to work and only last week was told in no uncertain terms to move out of a cyclist’s way on a narrow bit of the pavement in Coppergate, just because this cyclist was not prepared to wait behind buses waiting to turn into Piccadilly or go straight across to Stonebow.

Yes, by all means cycle on the pavement when there is a shared line for pedestrians and cyclists, but do not expect a pedestrian to move out of your way when there is clearly a good bit of road.

There has been a few letters from cyclists complaining about motorists; cyclists should give more due care and attention to pedestrians before someone gets hurt.

S Cocker, Almsford Road, York.

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11:06am Tue 1 Jul 14

BillyJones87 says...

As a cyclist myself, I'm often equally infuriated by the conduct of other cyclists.

I often find myself shaking my head at other cyclists who feel the laws of the road to not apply to them, and as result, give the rest of us a bad name.
As a cyclist myself, I'm often equally infuriated by the conduct of other cyclists. I often find myself shaking my head at other cyclists who feel the laws of the road to not apply to them, and as result, give the rest of us a bad name. BillyJones87
  • Score: 57

12:20pm Tue 1 Jul 14

E=MC^2 says...

some bloke riding a bike on the pavement is not a cyclist just a yob on a bike, who hasn't yet got the use of a car to become a yob in a car not a motorist. As long as there is no enforcement to change yobs' behaviour nothing will change.
some bloke riding a bike on the pavement is not a cyclist just a yob on a bike, who hasn't yet got the use of a car to become a yob in a car not a motorist. As long as there is no enforcement to change yobs' behaviour nothing will change. E=MC^2
  • Score: 37

1:31pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Also as a cyclist, and like BillyJones and S Cocker, i find is irresponsible, that some cyclists think the rules of the road do not apply. Does CCTV work in York, do the Police/Specials Constables ever look at cyclists breaking the Road Traffic Act,.

There seems to be 2 main sets of culprits. 1. are the Young 12 - 20s males who have no thought for their actions or life in general. 2. The Budding Tour de France fanatics, who think "If I stop I cant start again"

At one time, not to long ago we (York) was a wash with Cyclists , and all used the roads ..
Also as a cyclist, and like BillyJones and S Cocker, i find is irresponsible, that some cyclists think the rules of the road do not apply. Does CCTV work in York, do the Police/Specials Constables ever look at cyclists breaking the Road Traffic Act,. There seems to be 2 main sets of culprits. 1. are the Young 12 - 20s males who have no thought for their actions or life in general. 2. The Budding Tour de France fanatics, who think "If I stop I cant start again" At one time, not to long ago we (York) was a wash with Cyclists , and all used the roads .. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 27

1:45pm Tue 1 Jul 14

understandingmike says...

As a cyclist I find the behaviour of some pedestrians on cycle paths by the river, particularly those with dogs and/or young children, equally frustrating.

The traffic on the Millennium Bridge is an accident waiting to happen each morning and it is surely only a matter of time before someone ends up over the railings and into the river!

If only everyone behaved with appropriate consideration for others.
As a cyclist I find the behaviour of some pedestrians on cycle paths by the river, particularly those with dogs and/or young children, equally frustrating. The traffic on the Millennium Bridge is an accident waiting to happen each morning and it is surely only a matter of time before someone ends up over the railings and into the river! If only everyone behaved with appropriate consideration for others. understandingmike
  • Score: 8

1:51pm Tue 1 Jul 14

maybejustmaybe says...

Can I add a third set, those who ride through the city centre during foot street hours; numbers of which seems to be increasing and are not of a specific age group.
Can I add a third set, those who ride through the city centre during foot street hours; numbers of which seems to be increasing and are not of a specific age group. maybejustmaybe
  • Score: 23

3:09pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Paul Hepworth says...

The national cyclists orgnisation CTC does not condone lawbreaking by anyone travelling on roads and paths. For more on this, visit http://www.ctc.org.u
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and-briefings/cyclis
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But also read the recent syatement by Cycling Minister & Scarborough MP Robert Gooodwill, at http://www.ctc.org.u
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Between 1998 & 2007, of pedestrian casualties on London footpaths, 2% were caused by cyclists. Cars and taxis caused a whopping 58%.
The national cyclists orgnisation CTC does not condone lawbreaking by anyone travelling on roads and paths. For more on this, visit http://www.ctc.org.u k/campaigning/views- and-briefings/cyclis ts-behaviour-and-law But also read the recent syatement by Cycling Minister & Scarborough MP Robert Gooodwill, at http://www.ctc.org.u k/news/goodwill-reit erates-footway-cycli ng-guidance Between 1998 & 2007, of pedestrian casualties on London footpaths, 2% were caused by cyclists. Cars and taxis caused a whopping 58%. Paul Hepworth
  • Score: -12

4:24pm Tue 1 Jul 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

May I add a 4th set: Naked cyclists who have no regard for public decency and even less regard for their own safety.
May I add a 4th set: Naked cyclists who have no regard for public decency and even less regard for their own safety. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 6

8:13pm Tue 1 Jul 14

xxx2013xxx says...

I nearly got knocked off by some idiot on a bike that cycled through a red light and then came flying round the corner I do agree they tend to be young males who clearly couldn't care less if they knock someone down. He had the cheek to give me a load of abuse which he got straight back. Cyclist should have more respect for the rules of the road and not think cos there on a bike it doesn't apply to them
I nearly got knocked off by some idiot on a bike that cycled through a red light and then came flying round the corner I do agree they tend to be young males who clearly couldn't care less if they knock someone down. He had the cheek to give me a load of abuse which he got straight back. Cyclist should have more respect for the rules of the road and not think cos there on a bike it doesn't apply to them xxx2013xxx
  • Score: 10

1:14am Wed 2 Jul 14

Peniel says...

Paul Hepworth wrote:
The national cyclists orgnisation CTC does not condone lawbreaking by anyone travelling on roads and paths. For more on this, visit http://www.ctc.org.u

k/campaigning/views-

and-briefings/cyclis

ts-behaviour-and-law



But also read the recent syatement by Cycling Minister & Scarborough MP Robert Gooodwill, at http://www.ctc.org.u

k/news/goodwill-reit

erates-footway-cycli

ng-guidance
Between 1998 & 2007, of pedestrian casualties on London footpaths, 2% were caused by cyclists. Cars and taxis caused a whopping 58%.
Paul, while your statistics about London are interesting to read I do not understand your purpose for posting them. Last time I checked, we lived around 200 miles north of the capital. York has a completley different dynamic as a city to London so the facts you provide are useless. If you have similar figures for York I would be interested to view them and take them in.

I also presume you accept yourself as being a hypocrite as I have now witnessed you breaking countless laws on our city streets, one of which I very nearly ran you over as you left a cycle lane and swung out onto a public road without checking the way was clear, which it wasn't, I'd moved out of the way for an emergency vehicle and was proceeding to set off again. So forgive me if I ignore you peddling (pun intended) out your facts on cycling to us. I personally, will only take you seriously once you also abide the laws of the road.
[quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote: The national cyclists orgnisation CTC does not condone lawbreaking by anyone travelling on roads and paths. For more on this, visit http://www.ctc.org.u k/campaigning/views- and-briefings/cyclis ts-behaviour-and-law But also read the recent syatement by Cycling Minister & Scarborough MP Robert Gooodwill, at http://www.ctc.org.u k/news/goodwill-reit erates-footway-cycli ng-guidance Between 1998 & 2007, of pedestrian casualties on London footpaths, 2% were caused by cyclists. Cars and taxis caused a whopping 58%.[/p][/quote]Paul, while your statistics about London are interesting to read I do not understand your purpose for posting them. Last time I checked, we lived around 200 miles north of the capital. York has a completley different dynamic as a city to London so the facts you provide are useless. If you have similar figures for York I would be interested to view them and take them in. I also presume you accept yourself as being a hypocrite as I have now witnessed you breaking countless laws on our city streets, one of which I very nearly ran you over as you left a cycle lane and swung out onto a public road without checking the way was clear, which it wasn't, I'd moved out of the way for an emergency vehicle and was proceeding to set off again. So forgive me if I ignore you peddling (pun intended) out your facts on cycling to us. I personally, will only take you seriously once you also abide the laws of the road. Peniel
  • Score: 15

3:46am Wed 2 Jul 14

Magicman! says...

understandingmike wrote:
As a cyclist I find the behaviour of some pedestrians on cycle paths by the river, particularly those with dogs and/or young children, equally frustrating.

The traffic on the Millennium Bridge is an accident waiting to happen each morning and it is surely only a matter of time before someone ends up over the railings and into the river!

If only everyone behaved with appropriate consideration for others.
Indeed... you'd think that the metal plates on the 'ground' of the bridge deck itself could serve as a useful seperation marker, to create a line between the 1/3 cycle space and the 2/3 pedestrians space... but nobody walking there seems to note that - and just as much, people will walk on and off the bridge without looking behind them to see if they are about to block a cyclist coming off the bridge and turning left/right. Likewise, the other day some people were stodd all the way across the Butcher Terrace entrance to the bridge area, and I told them they were in the way - what did they do? looked at me and then carried on talking, getting in the way of everybody else.
[quote][p][bold]understandingmike[/bold] wrote: As a cyclist I find the behaviour of some pedestrians on cycle paths by the river, particularly those with dogs and/or young children, equally frustrating. The traffic on the Millennium Bridge is an accident waiting to happen each morning and it is surely only a matter of time before someone ends up over the railings and into the river! If only everyone behaved with appropriate consideration for others.[/p][/quote]Indeed... you'd think that the metal plates on the 'ground' of the bridge deck itself could serve as a useful seperation marker, to create a line between the 1/3 cycle space and the 2/3 pedestrians space... but nobody walking there seems to note that - and just as much, people will walk on and off the bridge without looking behind them to see if they are about to block a cyclist coming off the bridge and turning left/right. Likewise, the other day some people were stodd all the way across the Butcher Terrace entrance to the bridge area, and I told them they were in the way - what did they do? looked at me and then carried on talking, getting in the way of everybody else. Magicman!
  • Score: 1

3:48am Wed 2 Jul 14

Magicman! says...

maybejustmaybe wrote:
Can I add a third set, those who ride through the city centre during foot street hours; numbers of which seems to be increasing and are not of a specific age group.
I was talking with a police officer a couple of weeks ago who had stationed himself at an entrance to the footstreets, and even he was surprised by just how many people were cycling through - including the wrong way.
[quote][p][bold]maybejustmaybe[/bold] wrote: Can I add a third set, those who ride through the city centre during foot street hours; numbers of which seems to be increasing and are not of a specific age group.[/p][/quote]I was talking with a police officer a couple of weeks ago who had stationed himself at an entrance to the footstreets, and even he was surprised by just how many people were cycling through - including the wrong way. Magicman!
  • Score: 4

3:57am Wed 2 Jul 14

Magicman! says...

... And whilst we're at it, here's an example from the other side of the coin - I was following another cyclist through Duncombe Place, both going at a sensible pace and heading towards Monk Bar. A group of pedestrians were at the corner of Petergate and about to cross towards the Bootham Bar direction... the leader of the group looked both ways, he saw us both cycling in the direction about that they were about to cross the path of, looked at both of us and directly made eye contact, then proceed to cross and told of the cyclist in front of me for still cycling and not being on the 'cycle lane'... ignoring the fact that (a) the cycle lane is for traffic heading the OTHER way, and (b) they were stepping out onto a road (with the exception of entrances to minor roads, on a through road it is only on a zebra crossing where a pedestrian has a right of way before vehicles already on the road before them)... which leads me to the conclusing the group leader stepped out ON PURPOSE to try and force the cyclists to stop. Whatever way you look at it, that is quite simply dangerous and uncalled for. I've even had it where a coach tour hs been walking on the pavement, and suddenly stepped off onto the road and a member of the tour has stuck their hand out as if to say 'stop' (only an authorised person such as workman or police have the authority to do that) just so theyr 'jaywalking' suicidal tour group can waddle across looking at everything other than traffic on their merry little way.

And what about dog walkers... would you let your dog run loose on that footpath next to the A64? no? well why let them run loose on an off-road cycle route...?
... And whilst we're at it, here's an example from the other side of the coin - I was following another cyclist through Duncombe Place, both going at a sensible pace and heading towards Monk Bar. A group of pedestrians were at the corner of Petergate and about to cross towards the Bootham Bar direction... the leader of the group looked both ways, he saw us both cycling in the direction about that they were about to cross the path of, looked at both of us and directly made eye contact, then proceed to cross and told of the cyclist in front of me for still cycling and not being on the 'cycle lane'... ignoring the fact that (a) the cycle lane is for traffic heading the OTHER way, and (b) they were stepping out onto a road (with the exception of entrances to minor roads, on a through road it is only on a zebra crossing where a pedestrian has a right of way before vehicles already on the road before them)... which leads me to the conclusing the group leader stepped out ON PURPOSE to try and force the cyclists to stop. Whatever way you look at it, that is quite simply dangerous and uncalled for. I've even had it where a coach tour hs been walking on the pavement, and suddenly stepped off onto the road and a member of the tour has stuck their hand out as if to say 'stop' (only an authorised person such as workman or police have the authority to do that) just so theyr 'jaywalking' suicidal tour group can waddle across looking at everything other than traffic on their merry little way. And what about dog walkers... would you let your dog run loose on that footpath next to the A64? no? well why let them run loose on an off-road cycle route...? Magicman!
  • Score: 3

9:31am Wed 2 Jul 14

spikeboy60 says...

When I encounter a cyclist or even a car on the path,I simply stand in their way and make them stop...I encountered one the other day....told them in no uncertain terms to get off the path and I refused to move !!!!!
When I encounter a cyclist or even a car on the path,I simply stand in their way and make them stop...I encountered one the other day....told them in no uncertain terms to get off the path and I refused to move !!!!! spikeboy60
  • Score: 6

10:13am Wed 2 Jul 14

sounds weird but says...

spikeboy60 wrote:
When I encounter a cyclist or even a car on the path,I simply stand in their way and make them stop...I encountered one the other day....told them in no uncertain terms to get off the path and I refused to move !!!!!
I just ignore them and carry on walking, its up to them to navigate around me if they want to use the path.
[quote][p][bold]spikeboy60[/bold] wrote: When I encounter a cyclist or even a car on the path,I simply stand in their way and make them stop...I encountered one the other day....told them in no uncertain terms to get off the path and I refused to move !!!!![/p][/quote]I just ignore them and carry on walking, its up to them to navigate around me if they want to use the path. sounds weird but
  • Score: 7

10:48am Wed 2 Jul 14

anazah says...

Peniel wrote:
So forgive me if I ignore you peddling (pun intended) out your facts on cycling to us. I personally, will only take you seriously once you also abide the laws of the road.

Peniel, a dead cyclist will definitely forgive that you ignore him/her on the road but I am not surepolice, insurance company and the family will....
Peniel wrote: So forgive me if I ignore you peddling (pun intended) out your facts on cycling to us. I personally, will only take you seriously once you also abide the laws of the road. Peniel, a dead cyclist will definitely forgive that you ignore him/her on the road but I am not surepolice, insurance company and the family will.... anazah
  • Score: -3

11:09am Wed 2 Jul 14

Yorkshine1 says...

AS A resident of York, I am fed up with fellow residents who think they have a right to bombard the letters page and public atmospheres with the boring cyclist vs motorist drivel. Most of which is lies, rumour and/or populist opinion.
AS A resident of York, I am fed up with fellow residents who think they have a right to bombard the letters page and public atmospheres with the boring cyclist vs motorist drivel. Most of which is lies, rumour and/or populist opinion. Yorkshine1
  • Score: -1

12:45pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Peniel says...

anazah wrote:
Peniel wrote:
So forgive me if I ignore you peddling (pun intended) out your facts on cycling to us. I personally, will only take you seriously once you also abide the laws of the road.

Peniel, a dead cyclist will definitely forgive that you ignore him/her on the road but I am not surepolice, insurance company and the family will....
I didn't ignore him. I'd seen he was coming and taken the correct measures to prevent an accident.
[quote][p][bold]anazah[/bold] wrote: Peniel wrote: So forgive me if I ignore you peddling (pun intended) out your facts on cycling to us. I personally, will only take you seriously once you also abide the laws of the road. Peniel, a dead cyclist will definitely forgive that you ignore him/her on the road but I am not surepolice, insurance company and the family will....[/p][/quote]I didn't ignore him. I'd seen he was coming and taken the correct measures to prevent an accident. Peniel
  • Score: 1

7:52pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Dr Robert says...

I am afraid this is one of those cases where yob rule has become seen as normal, I see people of all ages now riding illegally on footpaths, York council are a lot to do with it creating a mish-mash of so-called cycle lanes on footpaths, following on from the council mess are the Police who could not give a dam, imagine if we still had the Carriage works and Rowntrees pouring out in there thousands which they did after a shift, but they rode where they should ,on the road. York Council and the Police have a lot to answer to.
I am afraid this is one of those cases where yob rule has become seen as normal, I see people of all ages now riding illegally on footpaths, York council are a lot to do with it creating a mish-mash of so-called cycle lanes on footpaths, following on from the council mess are the Police who could not give a dam, imagine if we still had the Carriage works and Rowntrees pouring out in there thousands which they did after a shift, but they rode where they should ,on the road. York Council and the Police have a lot to answer to. Dr Robert
  • Score: -1

8:18pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Funnily enough I was standing on the pavement on a street called Pavement today, talking to two friends. After about ten minutes a white van approached and beep-beep-beeped at us to move so it could park on the pavement where we were.

The driver made his point clear by driving at us threateningly.

At least it was just a harmless big van and not one of those dangerous bikes. Phew!
Funnily enough I was standing on the pavement on a street called Pavement today, talking to two friends. After about ten minutes a white van approached and beep-beep-beeped at us to move so it could park on the pavement where we were. The driver made his point clear by driving at us threateningly. At least it was just a harmless big van and not one of those dangerous bikes. Phew! Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -1

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