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WE have had a bus/taxi lane on The Mount for several years now and are continuously subjected to a permanent line of early morning traffic, revving engines, squealing fan belts, irate drivers using their horns and the whirring from bus engines.

However, last week and on a school day The Mount was traffic queue free, the reason being the traffic lights were down so everyone had a free run.

On a busy morning it can take 15 minutes to get though two sets of lights because of the bus lane. Time for a rethink, City of York Council.

Mark Richardson, The Mount, York.

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2:03pm Wed 18 Jun 14

maybejustmaybe says...

Happens every time the lights fail at the Bootham/Gillygate junction. All road users (inc cyclists and pedestrians) pay a little respect toward each other and the queues magically disappear.
Happens every time the lights fail at the Bootham/Gillygate junction. All road users (inc cyclists and pedestrians) pay a little respect toward each other and the queues magically disappear. maybejustmaybe
  • Score: 16

4:08pm Wed 18 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

If the writer was a mobility or sensory restricted pedestrian, trying to cross The Mount under the circumstances that he outlined, his view would likely be very different.
He also seems to be attacking the presence of the bus lane, which was predicted to snarl up York when it was first opened. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.
If the writer was a mobility or sensory restricted pedestrian, trying to cross The Mount under the circumstances that he outlined, his view would likely be very different. He also seems to be attacking the presence of the bus lane, which was predicted to snarl up York when it was first opened. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense. pedalling paul
  • Score: -32

4:48pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Jazzper says...

"Common sense"....you don't have any Paul.
"Common sense"....you don't have any Paul. Jazzper
  • Score: 15

4:51pm Wed 18 Jun 14

roadwars says...

pedalling paul wrote:
If the writer was a mobility or sensory restricted pedestrian, trying to cross The Mount under the circumstances that he outlined, his view would likely be very different.
He also seems to be attacking the presence of the bus lane, which was predicted to snarl up York when it was first opened. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.
It may be common sense in your strange "ideal world" Paul but it is not in the real world.
1. It is not a bus lane, it is a bus and taxi lane, taxis are not "efficient usersof urban road capacity" they are cash cows for the council.
2. Without the extra stopping and starting for bus lane filters, traffic would flow freely.
On, Tadcaster road, towards the mount, cars have to queue in a lane of traffic heading towards town even if they are turning left where there is no queue, it is ridiculous that this is not a filter lane.
On Holgate road (your beloved new stretch of bus lane) outside the former carriage works, yesterday, traffic was flowing freely until a bike decided to use the bus lane turning the filter light red, stopping all of the cars (there was no bus), the lights at the fox were green with nobody going through them but by the time the filter light became green the lights at the fox had turned red causing congestion...
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: If the writer was a mobility or sensory restricted pedestrian, trying to cross The Mount under the circumstances that he outlined, his view would likely be very different. He also seems to be attacking the presence of the bus lane, which was predicted to snarl up York when it was first opened. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.[/p][/quote]It may be common sense in your strange "ideal world" Paul but it is not in the real world. 1. It is not a bus lane, it is a bus and taxi lane, taxis are not "efficient usersof urban road capacity" they are cash cows for the council. 2. Without the extra stopping and starting for bus lane filters, traffic would flow freely. On, Tadcaster road, towards the mount, cars have to queue in a lane of traffic heading towards town even if they are turning left where there is no queue, it is ridiculous that this is not a filter lane. On Holgate road (your beloved new stretch of bus lane) outside the former carriage works, yesterday, traffic was flowing freely until a bike decided to use the bus lane turning the filter light red, stopping all of the cars (there was no bus), the lights at the fox were green with nobody going through them but by the time the filter light became green the lights at the fox had turned red causing congestion... roadwars
  • Score: 20

7:42pm Wed 18 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
If the writer was a mobility or sensory restricted pedestrian, trying to cross The Mount under the circumstances that he outlined, his view would likely be very different.
He also seems to be attacking the presence of the bus lane, which was predicted to snarl up York when it was first opened. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.
Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.......... they are also the biggest polluters, I drove behind the No.6 First York bus YJ51 RKO, today and I had to switch to recirculating cabin air as the exhaust emissions in the form of clouds of black diesel fumes every time the driver accelerated were unbelievable, that particular bus wants taking off the road - YJ51 RKO.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: If the writer was a mobility or sensory restricted pedestrian, trying to cross The Mount under the circumstances that he outlined, his view would likely be very different. He also seems to be attacking the presence of the bus lane, which was predicted to snarl up York when it was first opened. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.[/p][/quote]Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.......... they are also the biggest polluters, I drove behind the No.6 First York bus YJ51 RKO, today and I had to switch to recirculating cabin air as the exhaust emissions in the form of clouds of black diesel fumes every time the driver accelerated were unbelievable, that particular bus wants taking off the road - YJ51 RKO. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 16

9:31pm Wed 18 Jun 14

stopatred says...

Have to agree with the letter writer it is bad on the mount . How come an empty taxi can drive in the bus lane and change the lights to allow him to get through and stop everyone yet a car with four passengers in has to wait in the queue with the rest. Why not just switch off the lights as this does seem to ease everything.
Have to agree with the letter writer it is bad on the mount . How come an empty taxi can drive in the bus lane and change the lights to allow him to get through and stop everyone yet a car with four passengers in has to wait in the queue with the rest. Why not just switch off the lights as this does seem to ease everything. stopatred
  • Score: 15

11:44pm Wed 18 Jun 14

strangebuttrue? says...

PP's point on use of road space may have some merrett (sorry merit) as the vast majority of people choose to travel by car and will continue to do so. Given that fact when you take into account the miles of empty bus and cycle lanes plus the many roads which cars cannot use at all for through journeys the most efficient users of road space must be those who choose to travel by car as they are the ones with next to nothing left to use so must be worthy of some sort of priority?.
PP's point on use of road space may have some merrett (sorry merit) as the vast majority of people choose to travel by car and will continue to do so. Given that fact when you take into account the miles of empty bus and cycle lanes plus the many roads which cars cannot use at all for through journeys the most efficient users of road space must be those who choose to travel by car as they are the ones with next to nothing left to use so must be worthy of some sort of priority?. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 2

3:16am Thu 19 Jun 14

Magicman! says...

ah... so the mist clears. it would appear that "strangebuttrue?"'s real name is Mark Richardson. This letter is practially a clone of a comment they made just a couple of days ago on here, complete with the usual "get rid of the bus lane and everybody will get around better" bunch of bullocks.

Strip away the first layer of text and what you actually get is somebody who doesn't use the bus, has no need to use the bus, but drivers everywhere and wants their passage into town to be as hassle-free as possible, at the inconvenience of the hundreds (thousands perhaps) of people everyday who use buses along that corridor into the city. What we have here is an utterly selfish individual who when it comes to transport cares about nobody other than themselves.... and often it is such people who cause road traffic collisions, because they're only concerned about *their* journey.
ah... so the mist clears. it would appear that "strangebuttrue?"'s real name is Mark Richardson. This letter is practially a clone of a comment they made just a couple of days ago on here, complete with the usual "get rid of the bus lane and everybody will get around better" bunch of bullocks. Strip away the first layer of text and what you actually get is somebody who doesn't use the bus, has no need to use the bus, but drivers everywhere and wants their passage into town to be as hassle-free as possible, at the inconvenience of the hundreds (thousands perhaps) of people everyday who use buses along that corridor into the city. What we have here is an utterly selfish individual who when it comes to transport cares about nobody other than themselves.... and often it is such people who cause road traffic collisions, because they're only concerned about *their* journey. Magicman!
  • Score: -4

3:21am Thu 19 Jun 14

Magicman! says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
If the writer was a mobility or sensory restricted pedestrian, trying to cross The Mount under the circumstances that he outlined, his view would likely be very different.
He also seems to be attacking the presence of the bus lane, which was predicted to snarl up York when it was first opened. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.
Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.......... they are also the biggest polluters, I drove behind the No.6 First York bus YJ51 RKO, today and I had to switch to recirculating cabin air as the exhaust emissions in the form of clouds of black diesel fumes every time the driver accelerated were unbelievable, that particular bus wants taking off the road - YJ51 RKO.
Hah, you'll be lucky... that one's about to go off to Leeds to be given a new coat of paint.

Eventually all of the "YJ51" and "YG02" (and the two Y-reg one too) buses in the First fleet will get replaced... all the YJ51 double deckers that were in the fleet have gone, replaced by "LK58" reg hybrid buses and "YJ05" single deckers. I had heard that when the Park and Ride fleet is replaced, all those silver "YJ08" buses would then replace all the older vehicles mentioned above.... don't know if that's still happening though.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: If the writer was a mobility or sensory restricted pedestrian, trying to cross The Mount under the circumstances that he outlined, his view would likely be very different. He also seems to be attacking the presence of the bus lane, which was predicted to snarl up York when it was first opened. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.[/p][/quote]Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.......... they are also the biggest polluters, I drove behind the No.6 First York bus YJ51 RKO, today and I had to switch to recirculating cabin air as the exhaust emissions in the form of clouds of black diesel fumes every time the driver accelerated were unbelievable, that particular bus wants taking off the road - YJ51 RKO.[/p][/quote]Hah, you'll be lucky... that one's about to go off to Leeds to be given a new coat of paint. Eventually all of the "YJ51" and "YG02" (and the two Y-reg one too) buses in the First fleet will get replaced... all the YJ51 double deckers that were in the fleet have gone, replaced by "LK58" reg hybrid buses and "YJ05" single deckers. I had heard that when the Park and Ride fleet is replaced, all those silver "YJ08" buses would then replace all the older vehicles mentioned above.... don't know if that's still happening though. Magicman!
  • Score: 1

6:51am Thu 19 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Magicman! wrote:
notpedallingpaul wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
If the writer was a mobility or sensory restricted pedestrian, trying to cross The Mount under the circumstances that he outlined, his view would likely be very different.
He also seems to be attacking the presence of the bus lane, which was predicted to snarl up York when it was first opened. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.
Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.......... they are also the biggest polluters, I drove behind the No.6 First York bus YJ51 RKO, today and I had to switch to recirculating cabin air as the exhaust emissions in the form of clouds of black diesel fumes every time the driver accelerated were unbelievable, that particular bus wants taking off the road - YJ51 RKO.
Hah, you'll be lucky... that one's about to go off to Leeds to be given a new coat of paint.

Eventually all of the "YJ51" and "YG02" (and the two Y-reg one too) buses in the First fleet will get replaced... all the YJ51 double deckers that were in the fleet have gone, replaced by "LK58" reg hybrid buses and "YJ05" single deckers. I had heard that when the Park and Ride fleet is replaced, all those silver "YJ08" buses would then replace all the older vehicles mentioned above.... don't know if that's still happening though.
Cheers for that info, is there a case for making bus lanes part time? i.e. Buses only between certain times, then revert to all vehicles in between, have seen this in West Yorkshire cities.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: If the writer was a mobility or sensory restricted pedestrian, trying to cross The Mount under the circumstances that he outlined, his view would likely be very different. He also seems to be attacking the presence of the bus lane, which was predicted to snarl up York when it was first opened. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.[/p][/quote]Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.......... they are also the biggest polluters, I drove behind the No.6 First York bus YJ51 RKO, today and I had to switch to recirculating cabin air as the exhaust emissions in the form of clouds of black diesel fumes every time the driver accelerated were unbelievable, that particular bus wants taking off the road - YJ51 RKO.[/p][/quote]Hah, you'll be lucky... that one's about to go off to Leeds to be given a new coat of paint. Eventually all of the "YJ51" and "YG02" (and the two Y-reg one too) buses in the First fleet will get replaced... all the YJ51 double deckers that were in the fleet have gone, replaced by "LK58" reg hybrid buses and "YJ05" single deckers. I had heard that when the Park and Ride fleet is replaced, all those silver "YJ08" buses would then replace all the older vehicles mentioned above.... don't know if that's still happening though.[/p][/quote]Cheers for that info, is there a case for making bus lanes part time? i.e. Buses only between certain times, then revert to all vehicles in between, have seen this in West Yorkshire cities. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 14

9:26am Thu 19 Jun 14

Jazzper says...

"is there a case for making bus lanes part time?"....might be a good idea with traffic lights too, turn them off during the day ( save on power) turn on at dusk to help light up the roads. ;-)
"is there a case for making bus lanes part time?"....might be a good idea with traffic lights too, turn them off during the day ( save on power) turn on at dusk to help light up the roads. ;-) Jazzper
  • Score: 14

10:36am Thu 19 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

Magicman! wrote:
ah... so the mist clears. it would appear that "strangebuttrue
?"'s real name is Mark Richardson. This letter is practially a clone of a comment they made just a couple of days ago on here, complete with the usual "get rid of the bus lane and everybody will get around better" bunch of bullocks.

Strip away the first layer of text and what you actually get is somebody who doesn't use the bus, has no need to use the bus, but drivers everywhere and wants their passage into town to be as hassle-free as possible, at the inconvenience of the hundreds (thousands perhaps) of people everyday who use buses along that corridor into the city. What we have here is an utterly selfish individual who when it comes to transport cares about nobody other than themselves.... and often it is such people who cause road traffic collisions, because they're only concerned about *their* journey.
Spot on, Magicman.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: ah... so the mist clears. it would appear that "strangebuttrue ?"'s real name is Mark Richardson. This letter is practially a clone of a comment they made just a couple of days ago on here, complete with the usual "get rid of the bus lane and everybody will get around better" bunch of bullocks. Strip away the first layer of text and what you actually get is somebody who doesn't use the bus, has no need to use the bus, but drivers everywhere and wants their passage into town to be as hassle-free as possible, at the inconvenience of the hundreds (thousands perhaps) of people everyday who use buses along that corridor into the city. What we have here is an utterly selfish individual who when it comes to transport cares about nobody other than themselves.... and often it is such people who cause road traffic collisions, because they're only concerned about *their* journey.[/p][/quote]Spot on, Magicman. pedalling paul
  • Score: -11

4:35pm Thu 19 Jun 14

strangebuttrue? says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Magicman! wrote:
ah... so the mist clears. it would appear that "strangebuttrue

?"'s real name is Mark Richardson. This letter is practially a clone of a comment they made just a couple of days ago on here, complete with the usual "get rid of the bus lane and everybody will get around better" bunch of bullocks.

Strip away the first layer of text and what you actually get is somebody who doesn't use the bus, has no need to use the bus, but drivers everywhere and wants their passage into town to be as hassle-free as possible, at the inconvenience of the hundreds (thousands perhaps) of people everyday who use buses along that corridor into the city. What we have here is an utterly selfish individual who when it comes to transport cares about nobody other than themselves.... and often it is such people who cause road traffic collisions, because they're only concerned about *their* journey.
Spot on, Magicman.
Well almost spot on apart from.

I gave up riding my bike when the council decided they were going to bully me into using it. So no I do not use a bike now or the bus. I don't use the bus because it is quicker by any other means of transport taking into account walking to the stop and waiting endlessly then being dropped off nowhere near where you need to be. It is vary rare that I drive into York these days as the council have made it clear they are anti car so I take my business elsewhere. I do not travel enough in York to inconvenience anyone and if I do hold up a bus it is usually because the council have stopped me with one of their short set traffic lights so in fact it is not me causing the problem as is clearly demonstrate every time a set of lights fail and the traffic disappears.

Accepting that cycle lanes are required for the safety of cyclists in some cases it is still a fact that most cycle and bus lanes are a waste of good road space most of the time as they are usually empty. Also cars cannot use a huge amount of roads in York for through journeys so cars are very efficient users of the little road space available to them when you add up how many cars there are v buses and bikes then look at the road space available for each for through journeys.

I have never had a collision in my life that was my own fault and only been involved in 2 minor collisions which were someone else's fault. Comes from being a careful considerate driver. How's your record?

Just to keep you guessing I will neither confirm or deny the name you give as being myself but they do say great minds think alike now don't they. Maybe if more people thought like this we could rid the city of it's congestion and the up to 48% increases in pollution with no increase in traffic volume the council have created with their anti car schemes.

Well maybe you were a little of the mark then?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: ah... so the mist clears. it would appear that "strangebuttrue ?"'s real name is Mark Richardson. This letter is practially a clone of a comment they made just a couple of days ago on here, complete with the usual "get rid of the bus lane and everybody will get around better" bunch of bullocks. Strip away the first layer of text and what you actually get is somebody who doesn't use the bus, has no need to use the bus, but drivers everywhere and wants their passage into town to be as hassle-free as possible, at the inconvenience of the hundreds (thousands perhaps) of people everyday who use buses along that corridor into the city. What we have here is an utterly selfish individual who when it comes to transport cares about nobody other than themselves.... and often it is such people who cause road traffic collisions, because they're only concerned about *their* journey.[/p][/quote]Spot on, Magicman.[/p][/quote]Well almost spot on apart from. I gave up riding my bike when the council decided they were going to bully me into using it. So no I do not use a bike now or the bus. I don't use the bus because it is quicker by any other means of transport taking into account walking to the stop and waiting endlessly then being dropped off nowhere near where you need to be. It is vary rare that I drive into York these days as the council have made it clear they are anti car so I take my business elsewhere. I do not travel enough in York to inconvenience anyone and if I do hold up a bus it is usually because the council have stopped me with one of their short set traffic lights so in fact it is not me causing the problem as is clearly demonstrate every time a set of lights fail and the traffic disappears. Accepting that cycle lanes are required for the safety of cyclists in some cases it is still a fact that most cycle and bus lanes are a waste of good road space most of the time as they are usually empty. Also cars cannot use a huge amount of roads in York for through journeys so cars are very efficient users of the little road space available to them when you add up how many cars there are v buses and bikes then look at the road space available for each for through journeys. I have never had a collision in my life that was my own fault and only been involved in 2 minor collisions which were someone else's fault. Comes from being a careful considerate driver. How's your record? Just to keep you guessing I will neither confirm or deny the name you give as being myself but they do say great minds think alike now don't they. Maybe if more people thought like this we could rid the city of it's congestion and the up to 48% increases in pollution with no increase in traffic volume the council have created with their anti car schemes. Well maybe you were a little of the mark then? strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 5

10:35pm Thu 19 Jun 14

bravo whisky says...

The congestion is horrific from the Knavesmire Road junction to Holgate Road junction, then on Blossom street, nothing, this is totally down to the bloody stupid bus lane, the previous lib dems and this awful labour shower have created all the congestion throughout York for their own reasons.
The congestion is horrific from the Knavesmire Road junction to Holgate Road junction, then on Blossom street, nothing, this is totally down to the bloody stupid bus lane, the previous lib dems and this awful labour shower have created all the congestion throughout York for their own reasons. bravo whisky
  • Score: 5

1:10am Fri 20 Jun 14

Magicman! says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
Magicman! wrote:
notpedallingpaul wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
If the writer was a mobility or sensory restricted pedestrian, trying to cross The Mount under the circumstances that he outlined, his view would likely be very different.
He also seems to be attacking the presence of the bus lane, which was predicted to snarl up York when it was first opened. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.
Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.......... they are also the biggest polluters, I drove behind the No.6 First York bus YJ51 RKO, today and I had to switch to recirculating cabin air as the exhaust emissions in the form of clouds of black diesel fumes every time the driver accelerated were unbelievable, that particular bus wants taking off the road - YJ51 RKO.
Hah, you'll be lucky... that one's about to go off to Leeds to be given a new coat of paint.

Eventually all of the "YJ51" and "YG02" (and the two Y-reg one too) buses in the First fleet will get replaced... all the YJ51 double deckers that were in the fleet have gone, replaced by "LK58" reg hybrid buses and "YJ05" single deckers. I had heard that when the Park and Ride fleet is replaced, all those silver "YJ08" buses would then replace all the older vehicles mentioned above.... don't know if that's still happening though.
Cheers for that info, is there a case for making bus lanes part time? i.e. Buses only between certain times, then revert to all vehicles in between, have seen this in West Yorkshire cities.
It's all down to local variation there, according to what the council decides. I've seen the part time bus lanes in Leeds, the A64 on the way into the city has them... and I believe the reason they are part time is because the traffic actually flows well along those streets, and would still flow relatively OK even if the bus lane was "on hours". Generally along such roads in Leeds where there are bus lanes, once you get a green light at a set of traffic lights (even if you've been waiting at a red previously) you then keep getting greens so long as you stay on the primary traffic route.... it's known as a 'green wave' and requires a thought-out intelligent traffic light system where not only does each set of lights havesensors to detect traffic, but each set of lights 'talks' to surrounding sets of lights, and roads also have traffic level sensors along them (they are the same thing as those boxes you sometimes see from bridges over A roads and motorways) so that priority is given to the road with the heaviest flow.

Sadly in York we don't have any form of intelligent traffic light system, despite what anybody might say to the contrary. Each set of lights is a standalone system, usually on an antiquidated timer system which runs to the set pattern 24/7... and where sets of lights do 'talk' to each other (the Lendal Gyratory), they have been set on purpose to go to red for the main flow of traffic.

An example of that as follows... If you stand outside the Royal York Hotel by the citysightseeing bus stop and watch the traffic lights, you will see that within a few seconds of the lights going green for traffic from the station towards the bottom of Station Avenue, the pedestrian crossing outside the hotel will go to red for the traffic; and this isn't based on how long ago the pedestrian pushed the button - they could have just walked up and pushed the button, or they could have been waiting there for a couple of minutes, but 9 times out of 10 it goes to red just as the next set has gone to green... and by time the crossing goes to green you'll see traffic get to that next set (junction with Leeman Road) just as it goes red; if you were then to follow that leading vehicle on a bike, you'll see that when that vehicle does finally get a green light (usually after waiting for 3 minutes at a red whilst all of 10 vehicles has come along, and the rest has been free of vehicles), it'll get all of a few yards just to the foot of Lendal Bridge just in time to see that traffic light go red too... And it goes red for no discernable reason - there are no other flows of traffic that can access Lendal Bridge, and most of the time there are no pedestrians crossing either despite there being a grene man showing (which was not requested, the green man goes on a timer - whether the 'wait' light is showing or not, that green man will show up).

My primary mode of transport around York is by bike, but because I'm one who does stop at red lights I notice all of these things. And quite frankly it is a right pain in the ar$e as I have to exert energy to get moving from a red light, only to get another red light just a few yards later. The council doesn't see this when they set up the lights to be as inconvenient as possible - it snarls up buses and legal bike riders too in its casserole of nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: If the writer was a mobility or sensory restricted pedestrian, trying to cross The Mount under the circumstances that he outlined, his view would likely be very different. He also seems to be attacking the presence of the bus lane, which was predicted to snarl up York when it was first opened. Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.[/p][/quote]Artificial priority for the most efficient users of urban road capacity, is common sense.......... they are also the biggest polluters, I drove behind the No.6 First York bus YJ51 RKO, today and I had to switch to recirculating cabin air as the exhaust emissions in the form of clouds of black diesel fumes every time the driver accelerated were unbelievable, that particular bus wants taking off the road - YJ51 RKO.[/p][/quote]Hah, you'll be lucky... that one's about to go off to Leeds to be given a new coat of paint. Eventually all of the "YJ51" and "YG02" (and the two Y-reg one too) buses in the First fleet will get replaced... all the YJ51 double deckers that were in the fleet have gone, replaced by "LK58" reg hybrid buses and "YJ05" single deckers. I had heard that when the Park and Ride fleet is replaced, all those silver "YJ08" buses would then replace all the older vehicles mentioned above.... don't know if that's still happening though.[/p][/quote]Cheers for that info, is there a case for making bus lanes part time? i.e. Buses only between certain times, then revert to all vehicles in between, have seen this in West Yorkshire cities.[/p][/quote]It's all down to local variation there, according to what the council decides. I've seen the part time bus lanes in Leeds, the A64 on the way into the city has them... and I believe the reason they are part time is because the traffic actually flows well along those streets, and would still flow relatively OK even if the bus lane was "on hours". Generally along such roads in Leeds where there are bus lanes, once you get a green light at a set of traffic lights (even if you've been waiting at a red previously) you then keep getting greens so long as you stay on the primary traffic route.... it's known as a 'green wave' and requires a thought-out intelligent traffic light system where not only does each set of lights havesensors to detect traffic, but each set of lights 'talks' to surrounding sets of lights, and roads also have traffic level sensors along them (they are the same thing as those boxes you sometimes see from bridges over A roads and motorways) so that priority is given to the road with the heaviest flow. Sadly in York we don't have any form of intelligent traffic light system, despite what anybody might say to the contrary. Each set of lights is a standalone system, usually on an antiquidated timer system which runs to the set pattern 24/7... and where sets of lights do 'talk' to each other (the Lendal Gyratory), they have been set on purpose to go to red for the main flow of traffic. An example of that as follows... If you stand outside the Royal York Hotel by the citysightseeing bus stop and watch the traffic lights, you will see that within a few seconds of the lights going green for traffic from the station towards the bottom of Station Avenue, the pedestrian crossing outside the hotel will go to red for the traffic; and this isn't based on how long ago the pedestrian pushed the button - they could have just walked up and pushed the button, or they could have been waiting there for a couple of minutes, but 9 times out of 10 it goes to red just as the next set has gone to green... and by time the crossing goes to green you'll see traffic get to that next set (junction with Leeman Road) just as it goes red; if you were then to follow that leading vehicle on a bike, you'll see that when that vehicle does finally get a green light (usually after waiting for 3 minutes at a red whilst all of 10 vehicles has come along, and the rest has been free of vehicles), it'll get all of a few yards just to the foot of Lendal Bridge just in time to see that traffic light go red too... And it goes red for no discernable reason - there are no other flows of traffic that can access Lendal Bridge, and most of the time there are no pedestrians crossing either despite there being a grene man showing (which was not requested, the green man goes on a timer - whether the 'wait' light is showing or not, that green man will show up). My primary mode of transport around York is by bike, but because I'm one who does stop at red lights I notice all of these things. And quite frankly it is a right pain in the ar$e as I have to exert energy to get moving from a red light, only to get another red light just a few yards later. The council doesn't see this when they set up the lights to be as inconvenient as possible - it snarls up buses and legal bike riders too in its casserole of nonsense. Magicman!
  • Score: 2

1:15am Fri 20 Jun 14

Magicman! says...

bravo whisky wrote:
The congestion is horrific from the Knavesmire Road junction to Holgate Road junction, then on Blossom street, nothing, this is totally down to the bloody stupid bus lane, the previous lib dems and this awful labour shower have created all the congestion throughout York for their own reasons.
It's worth noting that the lights at the end of Bloossom Street (Micklegate Bar) have had somewhere between 20-30 seconds of extra green time added to them within the last few months. This is why it appears empty.... There's been a few times recently I've been at the other end of Blossom Street and see the lights already on green (full green, not just the filter) and thought "there's no way that's going to sustain the green until I get there", and then it has done - plus about 4 vehicles behind me get through on green too. That never used to happen.
[quote][p][bold]bravo whisky[/bold] wrote: The congestion is horrific from the Knavesmire Road junction to Holgate Road junction, then on Blossom street, nothing, this is totally down to the bloody stupid bus lane, the previous lib dems and this awful labour shower have created all the congestion throughout York for their own reasons.[/p][/quote]It's worth noting that the lights at the end of Bloossom Street (Micklegate Bar) have had somewhere between 20-30 seconds of extra green time added to them within the last few months. This is why it appears empty.... There's been a few times recently I've been at the other end of Blossom Street and see the lights already on green (full green, not just the filter) and thought "there's no way that's going to sustain the green until I get there", and then it has done - plus about 4 vehicles behind me get through on green too. That never used to happen. Magicman!
  • Score: 3

11:07am Fri 20 Jun 14

dsom73 says...

Take all traffic lights offline across the country. Install pedestrian crossings to pacify pedalling paul. Watch the country's traffic run smoothly
Take all traffic lights offline across the country. Install pedestrian crossings to pacify pedalling paul. Watch the country's traffic run smoothly dsom73
  • Score: 3

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