Real story behind the end of city pub

York Press: Drinkers in the old John Bull which stood in Layerthorpe, York Drinkers in the old John Bull which stood in Layerthorpe, York

IF Gavin Aitchison must recall the demise of the John Bull pub in Layerthorpe (Pints of View, May 24), the whole story should be told out of respect for Peter Turnbull, who is no longer with us.

Mr Turnbull did not take anything away from anyone.

Following slum clearance in the 1960s, the pub lost its customer base. It was virtually deserted except for staff from Laverack Builders. The brewery shut it down.

The empty building was on the market a long time, but no one was interested in reopening it as a pub. Peter bought the freehold to extend his garage business.

He agreed to temporarily lease the building for use as a pub again; but it was recognised that one day it would become part of an expanding motor dealership. The leases were for agreed periods only.

The leases expired and Mr Turnbull moved forward with his redevelopment plans. He acted properly at all times, but was subjected to a campaign and continues to be wrongly vilified.

Far from being the villain of the piece, Peter Turnbull allowed the John Bull to run those extra years and he should be thanked for it by those who enjoyed those times.

Remember – nothing lasts forever!

Matthew Laverack, Architect of this parish, Lord Mayor’s Walk, York.

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3:08pm Sat 31 May 14

wallman says...

a lot of the so-called drinkers that said they went in the 'Bull' only went in when it was closing down. where were they before? the pic. above shoes how many folks used it not the 1 in Mr. Aitchison's piece in the paper.
a lot of the so-called drinkers that said they went in the 'Bull' only went in when it was closing down. where were they before? the pic. above shoes how many folks used it not the 1 in Mr. Aitchison's piece in the paper. wallman
  • Score: -25

11:24pm Sat 31 May 14

Jonothon says...

wallman wrote:
a lot of the so-called drinkers that said they went in the 'Bull' only went in when it was closing down. where were they before? the pic. above shoes how many folks used it not the 1 in Mr. Aitchison's piece in the paper.
Two questions firstly what is a "so called drinker"

Secondly how does wallman know when the photo was taken? You can see the windows in the next room through the bar door, bright daylight. Looks like the early lunchtime session just starting, the quietest time of the pub day, especially midweek.

On a saturday night in the JB's heyday, you couldn't find room in the bar to take a photo and drinkers spilled on to the pavement outside for lack of space.
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: a lot of the so-called drinkers that said they went in the 'Bull' only went in when it was closing down. where were they before? the pic. above shoes how many folks used it not the 1 in Mr. Aitchison's piece in the paper.[/p][/quote]Two questions firstly what is a "so called drinker" Secondly how does wallman know when the photo was taken? You can see the windows in the next room through the bar door, bright daylight. Looks like the early lunchtime session just starting, the quietest time of the pub day, especially midweek. On a saturday night in the JB's heyday, you couldn't find room in the bar to take a photo and drinkers spilled on to the pavement outside for lack of space. Jonothon
  • Score: 35

8:56am Sun 1 Jun 14

julia brica says...

I think there is far more to this story than the article printed in the paper.
Before jumping to conclusions it would be best to research a little to learn an awful lot.
Mr Laverack would not write a letter that wasn't factual and precise.
Time will tell.
I think there is far more to this story than the article printed in the paper. Before jumping to conclusions it would be best to research a little to learn an awful lot. Mr Laverack would not write a letter that wasn't factual and precise. Time will tell. julia brica
  • Score: -108

10:42am Sun 1 Jun 14

julia brica says...

In 90 minutes since my comment I have attracted 98 thumbs down ? I wonder if jonothon had anything to do with that ?
I only say because in these comment columns he never ever has anything but severe criticism and animosity towards the Architect of this Parish.
I mean I am no Sherlock Holmes but !
In 90 minutes since my comment I have attracted 98 thumbs down ? I wonder if jonothon had anything to do with that ? I only say because in these comment columns he never ever has anything but severe criticism and animosity towards the Architect of this Parish. I mean I am no Sherlock Holmes but ! julia brica
  • Score: -33

11:16am Sun 1 Jun 14

wallman says...

did you ever go in jonothon? Just like a former lord mayor who said he had been drinking there for years but forgot which brewery used to own it
did you ever go in jonothon? Just like a former lord mayor who said he had been drinking there for years but forgot which brewery used to own it wallman
  • Score: -38

11:40am Sun 1 Jun 14

Jonothon says...

wallman wrote:
did you ever go in jonothon? Just like a former lord mayor who said he had been drinking there for years but forgot which brewery used to own it
Yes, I was a regular. I still would be given the chance. It had more character than any other pub in York. Friendly, unpretentious,good beer (especially the Franklins) and it was a safe environment where a woman could go in for a drink on her own, or with a woman friend without being subject to the usual leering and unpleasantness.

You would expect right wingers to admire a small local enterprise which thrived where the big boys failed, but for some reason they hated it. Something to do with resentment of young people enjoying themselves, and intolerance of the unconventional. The same people would hate the quirky Dublin pubs which helped inspire a unique literary tradition

Wallman, I don't know what brewery owned it when it closed, but that was over 50 years ago, and what does it matter anyway?

It was a free house after it was re-opened by landlord Neville Hobson.
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: did you ever go in jonothon? Just like a former lord mayor who said he had been drinking there for years but forgot which brewery used to own it[/p][/quote]Yes, I was a regular. I still would be given the chance. It had more character than any other pub in York. Friendly, unpretentious,good beer (especially the Franklins) and it was a safe environment where a woman could go in for a drink on her own, or with a woman friend without being subject to the usual leering and unpleasantness. You would expect right wingers to admire a small local enterprise which thrived where the big boys failed, but for some reason they hated it. Something to do with resentment of young people enjoying themselves, and intolerance of the unconventional. The same people would hate the quirky Dublin pubs which helped inspire a unique literary tradition Wallman, I don't know what brewery owned it when it closed, but that was over 50 years ago, and what does it matter anyway? It was a free house after it was re-opened by landlord Neville Hobson. Jonothon
  • Score: 47

1:01pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Badgers Drift says...

Jonothon wrote:
wallman wrote: did you ever go in jonothon? Just like a former lord mayor who said he had been drinking there for years but forgot which brewery used to own it
Yes, I was a regular. I still would be given the chance. It had more character than any other pub in York. Friendly, unpretentious,good beer (especially the Franklins) and it was a safe environment where a woman could go in for a drink on her own, or with a woman friend without being subject to the usual leering and unpleasantness. You would expect right wingers to admire a small local enterprise which thrived where the big boys failed, but for some reason they hated it. Something to do with resentment of young people enjoying themselves, and intolerance of the unconventional. The same people would hate the quirky Dublin pubs which helped inspire a unique literary tradition Wallman, I don't know what brewery owned it when it closed, but that was over 50 years ago, and what does it matter anyway? It was a free house after it was re-opened by landlord Neville Hobson.
It was also almost a rent-free house for Mr Hobson, and that wasn't all he got for free?!!!

Read tomorrow's York Mix article which tells the full story, including the most important facts which were edited out of Matthew's letter!
[quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: did you ever go in jonothon? Just like a former lord mayor who said he had been drinking there for years but forgot which brewery used to own it[/p][/quote]Yes, I was a regular. I still would be given the chance. It had more character than any other pub in York. Friendly, unpretentious,good beer (especially the Franklins) and it was a safe environment where a woman could go in for a drink on her own, or with a woman friend without being subject to the usual leering and unpleasantness. You would expect right wingers to admire a small local enterprise which thrived where the big boys failed, but for some reason they hated it. Something to do with resentment of young people enjoying themselves, and intolerance of the unconventional. The same people would hate the quirky Dublin pubs which helped inspire a unique literary tradition Wallman, I don't know what brewery owned it when it closed, but that was over 50 years ago, and what does it matter anyway? It was a free house after it was re-opened by landlord Neville Hobson.[/p][/quote]It was also almost a rent-free house for Mr Hobson, and that wasn't all he got for free?!!! Read tomorrow's York Mix article which tells the full story, including the most important facts which were edited out of Matthew's letter! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -36

1:07pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Badgers Drift says...

Questions for Jonothon:

You say that you were a regular at the John Bull...

1. What year did the pub close down (when Neville Hobson was the tenant)?
2. How old were you when it closed down?
Questions for Jonothon: You say that you were a regular at the John Bull... 1. What year did the pub close down (when Neville Hobson was the tenant)? 2. How old were you when it closed down? Badgers Drift
  • Score: -45

1:18pm Sun 1 Jun 14

julia brica says...

When the contents of the pub ie fixtures and fittings were auctioned off.
Who did the selling ?
Who took the money ?
Where did the money go ?
We all want to know.
Yorkmix you say ? I shall read with interest.
When the contents of the pub ie fixtures and fittings were auctioned off. Who did the selling ? Who took the money ? Where did the money go ? We all want to know. Yorkmix you say ? I shall read with interest. julia brica
  • Score: -53

1:38pm Sun 1 Jun 14

wallman says...

I think the answer to your questions Julia are the landlord to each 1
I think the answer to your questions Julia are the landlord to each 1 wallman
  • Score: -42

5:05pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Jonothon says...

julia brica, Matthew and Badgers Drift. All three on one page

All of them are of this parish! Talk about multiple personality disorder
julia brica, Matthew and Badgers Drift. All three on one page All of them are of this parish! Talk about multiple personality disorder Jonothon
  • Score: 23

8:32pm Sun 1 Jun 14

julia brica says...

Lets all just sit back and read YORKMIX tomorrow.
Lets all just sit back and read YORKMIX tomorrow. julia brica
  • Score: -58

9:14pm Sun 1 Jun 14

last of the mandms says...

The John Bull shut ? Still there's always Frog Hall
The John Bull shut ? Still there's always Frog Hall last of the mandms
  • Score: -72

10:10am Mon 2 Jun 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Jonothon wrote:
wallman wrote:
did you ever go in jonothon? Just like a former lord mayor who said he had been drinking there for years but forgot which brewery used to own it
Yes, I was a regular. I still would be given the chance. It had more character than any other pub in York. Friendly, unpretentious,good beer (especially the Franklins) and it was a safe environment where a woman could go in for a drink on her own, or with a woman friend without being subject to the usual leering and unpleasantness.

You would expect right wingers to admire a small local enterprise which thrived where the big boys failed, but for some reason they hated it. Something to do with resentment of young people enjoying themselves, and intolerance of the unconventional. The same people would hate the quirky Dublin pubs which helped inspire a unique literary tradition

Wallman, I don't know what brewery owned it when it closed, but that was over 50 years ago, and what does it matter anyway?

It was a free house after it was re-opened by landlord Neville Hobson.
are you the same jonothon that moved to york in within the last 10 years?
[quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: did you ever go in jonothon? Just like a former lord mayor who said he had been drinking there for years but forgot which brewery used to own it[/p][/quote]Yes, I was a regular. I still would be given the chance. It had more character than any other pub in York. Friendly, unpretentious,good beer (especially the Franklins) and it was a safe environment where a woman could go in for a drink on her own, or with a woman friend without being subject to the usual leering and unpleasantness. You would expect right wingers to admire a small local enterprise which thrived where the big boys failed, but for some reason they hated it. Something to do with resentment of young people enjoying themselves, and intolerance of the unconventional. The same people would hate the quirky Dublin pubs which helped inspire a unique literary tradition Wallman, I don't know what brewery owned it when it closed, but that was over 50 years ago, and what does it matter anyway? It was a free house after it was re-opened by landlord Neville Hobson.[/p][/quote]are you the same jonothon that moved to york in within the last 10 years? oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -84

1:21pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Badgers Drift says...

Read the full untold story about the John Bull saga in today's YorkMix...

http://www.yorkmix.c
om/opinion/revealed-
after-20-years-the-u
ntold-story-of-the-j
ohn-bull-pub-closure
/
Read the full untold story about the John Bull saga in today's YorkMix... http://www.yorkmix.c om/opinion/revealed- after-20-years-the-u ntold-story-of-the-j ohn-bull-pub-closure / Badgers Drift
  • Score: -91

4:35pm Mon 2 Jun 14

julia brica says...

I have just read the full account of the John Bull closure and the venomous campaign initiated towards Peter Turnbull on the YORKMIX website and I am utterly disgusted with the way that the York Press has edited the letter from Matthew Laverack.
Yorkmix has printed the letter that he sent to the press and any fool can see that it has been edited to death with key points removed.
My question now is why ? What on earth did you hope to achieve by challenging him on factual stuff that you will obviously never be able to challenge, taking the risk that he will totally wipe the floor with you as he has done here.
An answer is needed.
I have just read the full account of the John Bull closure and the venomous campaign initiated towards Peter Turnbull on the YORKMIX website and I am utterly disgusted with the way that the York Press has edited the letter from Matthew Laverack. Yorkmix has printed the letter that he sent to the press and any fool can see that it has been edited to death with key points removed. My question now is why ? What on earth did you hope to achieve by challenging him on factual stuff that you will obviously never be able to challenge, taking the risk that he will totally wipe the floor with you as he has done here. An answer is needed. julia brica
  • Score: -87

4:47pm Mon 2 Jun 14

wallman says...

don't hold your breath Julia, jonothon is well known for been blinkered and only seeing his own point of view
don't hold your breath Julia, jonothon is well known for been blinkered and only seeing his own point of view wallman
  • Score: -21

6:23pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Jonothon says...

wallman wrote:
don't hold your breath Julia, jonothon is well known for been blinkered and only seeing his own point of view
No need to be formal with Julia, her friends call her Matthew.
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: don't hold your breath Julia, jonothon is well known for been blinkered and only seeing his own point of view[/p][/quote]No need to be formal with Julia, her friends call her Matthew. Jonothon
  • Score: 18

7:05pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Dr Robert says...

Excellent Timothy Taylors Landlord bitter in the John Bull while Neville was in there, lovely doorstop cheese&ham sandwiches, impromptu folk music most nights performed by the many Uni students who frequented the place, Acme Blues Band on Monday nights, just a great pub in its latter years, was a great shame Turnbull wanted to knock it down and put a car hire company in its place, he did not extend his garage onto the site. I presume the car hire place has similar leases as did the John Bull, I would not buy a Mazda from Turnbull on principal.
Excellent Timothy Taylors Landlord bitter in the John Bull while Neville was in there, lovely doorstop cheese&ham sandwiches, impromptu folk music most nights performed by the many Uni students who frequented the place, Acme Blues Band on Monday nights, just a great pub in its latter years, was a great shame Turnbull wanted to knock it down and put a car hire company in its place, he did not extend his garage onto the site. I presume the car hire place has similar leases as did the John Bull, I would not buy a Mazda from Turnbull on principal. Dr Robert
  • Score: 56

7:20pm Mon 2 Jun 14

julia brica says...

Lovely doorstep cheese and ham sandwiches ! Produced from that filthy kitchen. Timothy Taylors kept in that midden of a cellar. Its a miracle your still around. YORKMIX tells it all.
Lovely doorstep cheese and ham sandwiches ! Produced from that filthy kitchen. Timothy Taylors kept in that midden of a cellar. Its a miracle your still around. YORKMIX tells it all. julia brica
  • Score: -84

10:25pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Badgers Drift says...

Jonothon wrote:
wallman wrote:
don't hold your breath Julia, jonothon is well known for been blinkered and only seeing his own point of view
No need to be formal with Julia, her friends call her Matthew.
You'd never make a detective... look at the syntax!!
[quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: don't hold your breath Julia, jonothon is well known for been blinkered and only seeing his own point of view[/p][/quote]No need to be formal with Julia, her friends call her Matthew.[/p][/quote]You'd never make a detective... look at the syntax!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -55

10:33pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Badgers Drift says...

Dr Robert wrote:
Excellent Timothy Taylors Landlord bitter in the John Bull while Neville was in there, lovely doorstop cheese&ham sandwiches, impromptu folk music most nights performed by the many Uni students who frequented the place, Acme Blues Band on Monday nights, just a great pub in its latter years, was a great shame Turnbull wanted to knock it down and put a car hire company in its place, he did not extend his garage onto the site. I presume the car hire place has similar leases as did the John Bull, I would not buy a Mazda from Turnbull on principal.
Peter Turnbull was an honourable man, more than could be said of Neville Hobson.

Read the York Mix story, because you obviously don't know the truth behind the John Bull pub saga.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Robert[/bold] wrote: Excellent Timothy Taylors Landlord bitter in the John Bull while Neville was in there, lovely doorstop cheese&ham sandwiches, impromptu folk music most nights performed by the many Uni students who frequented the place, Acme Blues Band on Monday nights, just a great pub in its latter years, was a great shame Turnbull wanted to knock it down and put a car hire company in its place, he did not extend his garage onto the site. I presume the car hire place has similar leases as did the John Bull, I would not buy a Mazda from Turnbull on principal.[/p][/quote]Peter Turnbull was an honourable man, more than could be said of Neville Hobson. Read the York Mix story, because you obviously don't know the truth behind the John Bull pub saga. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -75

11:27pm Mon 2 Jun 14

wallman says...

dr. Robert,jonothon please check your facts before putting comments on here your are just showing how thick you are when the true facts are known
dr. Robert,jonothon please check your facts before putting comments on here your are just showing how thick you are when the true facts are known wallman
  • Score: -73

8:48am Tue 3 Jun 14

julia brica says...

In the name of fair play and transparency.
Please York Press re print the letter from Mr Laverack in its complete form without the relevant bits chopped out.
You might want to apologise and explain WHY you saw fit to alter it.
In the name of fair play and transparency. Please York Press re print the letter from Mr Laverack in its complete form without the relevant bits chopped out. You might want to apologise and explain WHY you saw fit to alter it. julia brica
  • Score: -38

8:58am Tue 3 Jun 14

Jonothon says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Jonothon wrote:
wallman wrote:
don't hold your breath Julia, jonothon is well known for been blinkered and only seeing his own point of view
No need to be formal with Julia, her friends call her Matthew.
You'd never make a detective... look at the syntax!!
Oh, Its you three again, the Holy trinity, three in one in three.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: don't hold your breath Julia, jonothon is well known for been blinkered and only seeing his own point of view[/p][/quote]No need to be formal with Julia, her friends call her Matthew.[/p][/quote]You'd never make a detective... look at the syntax!![/p][/quote]Oh, Its you three again, the Holy trinity, three in one in three. Jonothon
  • Score: 32

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