Fascist attacks

York Press: Fascist attacks Fascist attacks

PAUL BOWES suggests that we need reminding of our democratic rights and freedom of speech concerning the establishment onslaught against UKIP in recent weeks (Letters May 26).

The facts are that we no longer live in a true democracy nor a politically tolerant society.

Those on the left and the PC establishment, who historically preached tolerance are the new fascists trying to enforce their political views through labelling any opposition as xenophobic,or racist.

Given the major advance by UKIP in the recent elections, prepare for an outpouring of further vitriol rather than talking about the policy failures which have brought us to this position.

UKIP will undoubtedly be targeted in the coming General Election by violence and attempts to wreck their meetings and suppress their views from the fascists on the left, and more subtle means by the mainstream political class.

Martin Smith, Main Street, Elvington, York.

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1:43pm Wed 28 May 14

The Great Buda says...

A great bit of tinfoil hatted whatiffery.
A great bit of tinfoil hatted whatiffery. The Great Buda
  • Score: 10

2:00pm Wed 28 May 14

inmandres says...

Given the major advance by UKIP in the recent elections, prepare for an outpouring of further vitriol rather than talking about the policy failures which have brought us to this position.

Typical kipper rubbish. Why don't they try talking about their own policies - oh, I forgot, they haven't got any.

UKIP will undoubtedly be targeted in the coming General Election by violence and attempts to wreck their meetings and suppress their views

Why do you think that? The kippers will be consigned to oblivion by reasoned political argument.
Given the major advance by UKIP in the recent elections, prepare for an outpouring of further vitriol rather than talking about the policy failures which have brought us to this position. Typical kipper rubbish. Why don't they try talking about their own policies - oh, I forgot, they haven't got any. UKIP will undoubtedly be targeted in the coming General Election by violence and attempts to wreck their meetings and suppress their views Why do you think that? The kippers will be consigned to oblivion by reasoned political argument. inmandres
  • Score: 2

2:10pm Wed 28 May 14

Fat Harry says...

Wasn't it a UKIP candidate who, during the recent campaign, suggested that all his opponenets (ie LibDems, Tories, Labour, Green) should be executed?
Wasn't it a UKIP candidate who, during the recent campaign, suggested that all his opponenets (ie LibDems, Tories, Labour, Green) should be executed? Fat Harry
  • Score: 10

2:35pm Wed 28 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters....

Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York!
Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber!
Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -6

3:10pm Wed 28 May 14

Fat Harry says...

Not sure why the markdown monkey is attacking me for pointing out a fact, unless it's my error in stating the Green Party is on the death list put together by UKIP candidate Gordon Ferguson of Southport.

Apparently, he only wants to execute people in the three main parties.

This was reported in that well-known left-wing rag the Daily Telegraph on May 18th.
Not sure why the markdown monkey is attacking me for pointing out a fact, unless it's my error in stating the Green Party is on the death list put together by UKIP candidate Gordon Ferguson of Southport. Apparently, he only wants to execute people in the three main parties. This was reported in that well-known left-wing rag the Daily Telegraph on May 18th. Fat Harry
  • Score: 14

3:14pm Wed 28 May 14

Fat Harry says...

Whoops, forgot to add, anyone who votes for those parties is "guilty by association", so I assume his death list includes the vast majority of people of voted last Thursday.

It's the language employed in the past by the likes of the BNP, Combat 18 etc, and it's no suprise to find UKIP supporters accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being fascists or traitors.
Whoops, forgot to add, anyone who votes for those parties is "guilty by association", so I assume his death list includes the vast majority of people of voted last Thursday. It's the language employed in the past by the likes of the BNP, Combat 18 etc, and it's no suprise to find UKIP supporters accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being fascists or traitors. Fat Harry
  • Score: 4

4:24pm Wed 28 May 14

SpinningJenny says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters....

Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York!
Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber!
Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK![/p][/quote]I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP. SpinningJenny
  • Score: 14

6:05pm Wed 28 May 14

bravo whisky says...

We can now plainly see who the few remaining labour supporters are.
We can now plainly see who the few remaining labour supporters are. bravo whisky
  • Score: -7

6:34pm Wed 28 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.
You should also point out that even greater proportions did not vote all the other parties, including Labour!

How beneficial is that to Labour?

Good to know at least that UKIP are more popular than Labour!
[quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK![/p][/quote]I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]You should also point out that even greater proportions did not vote all the other parties, including Labour! How beneficial is that to Labour? Good to know at least that UKIP are more popular than Labour! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -10

6:59pm Wed 28 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.
It would be beneficial if your figures were correct...

York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%)
Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%)
UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%)

You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths!

Get your facts right!!
[quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK![/p][/quote]I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -12

7:22pm Wed 28 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

its now coming to light that the true 'nasty party' are labour, its seems anybody who does not toe the party line are "bigots!" "morons!" "stupid" "idiots" "fascists" "racists" and even "guilty by association!" all this from a party that, says its for "democracy" and "freedom of speech"....
its now coming to light that the true 'nasty party' are labour, its seems anybody who does not toe the party line are "bigots!" "morons!" "stupid" "idiots" "fascists" "racists" and even "guilty by association!" all this from a party that, says its for "democracy" and "freedom of speech".... oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 7

7:46pm Wed 28 May 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

#schism #dichotomy #hatred
#schism #dichotomy #hatred Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 8

9:16pm Wed 28 May 14

Dr Robert says...

The labour party historically equates to tax and waste other peoples money, do not listen to the electorate, flood the country with immigrants in the hope they will vote labour.
The labour party historically equates to tax and waste other peoples money, do not listen to the electorate, flood the country with immigrants in the hope they will vote labour. Dr Robert
  • Score: 3

10:07pm Wed 28 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

inmandres wrote:
Given the major advance by UKIP in the recent elections, prepare for an outpouring of further vitriol rather than talking about the policy failures which have brought us to this position.

Typical kipper rubbish. Why don't they try talking about their own policies - oh, I forgot, they haven't got any.

UKIP will undoubtedly be targeted in the coming General Election by violence and attempts to wreck their meetings and suppress their views

Why do you think that? The kippers will be consigned to oblivion by reasoned political argument.
In your dreams!
[quote][p][bold]inmandres[/bold] wrote: Given the major advance by UKIP in the recent elections, prepare for an outpouring of further vitriol rather than talking about the policy failures which have brought us to this position. Typical kipper rubbish. Why don't they try talking about their own policies - oh, I forgot, they haven't got any. UKIP will undoubtedly be targeted in the coming General Election by violence and attempts to wreck their meetings and suppress their views Why do you think that? The kippers will be consigned to oblivion by reasoned political argument.[/p][/quote]In your dreams! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -4

10:14pm Wed 28 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
#schism #dichotomy #hatred
#dichotomy? is that a medical condition?
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: #schism #dichotomy #hatred[/p][/quote]#dichotomy? is that a medical condition? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -23

8:19am Thu 29 May 14

Jonothon says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.
It would be beneficial if your figures were correct...

York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%)
Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%)
UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%)

You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths!

Get your facts right!!
What a waste of 10 minutes with a pocket calculator. The differences you have identified are insignificant.

Spinning Jenny's point remains valid., and the pettyfogging pedantary makes no difference.
Its a bit rich for someone taken in by UKIP's bogus figures to tell someone else to "get their facts right"
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK![/p][/quote]I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!![/p][/quote]What a waste of 10 minutes with a pocket calculator. The differences you have identified are insignificant. Spinning Jenny's point remains valid., and the pettyfogging pedantary makes no difference. Its a bit rich for someone taken in by UKIP's bogus figures to tell someone else to "get their facts right" Jonothon
  • Score: 0

9:20am Thu 29 May 14

SpinningJenny says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.
It would be beneficial if your figures were correct...

York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%)
Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%)
UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%)

You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths!

Get your facts right!!
I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example:

York's population - estimated 202,000
York UKIP votes - 11,294

York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK![/p][/quote]I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!![/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5% SpinningJenny
  • Score: -2

10:08am Thu 29 May 14

rat scabies says...

SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.
It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!!
I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%
Which is utter nonsense ,support for UKIP is up and so is support for Tories,labour are on there way out in York.. Without looking at figures ,say it was 40% turnout (it was less by the way) no one knows for certain which way the other 60% would vote... I do know people who have now seen the results and did not vote this time around have pledged to vote UKIP next elections, the interesting thing here is all labour voters!
[quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK![/p][/quote]I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!![/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%[/p][/quote]Which is utter nonsense ,support for UKIP is up and so is support for Tories,labour are on there way out in York.. Without looking at figures ,say it was 40% turnout (it was less by the way) no one knows for certain which way the other 60% would vote... I do know people who have now seen the results and did not vote this time around have pledged to vote UKIP next elections, the interesting thing here is all labour voters! rat scabies
  • Score: -28

12:50pm Thu 29 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Jonothon wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.
It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!!
What a waste of 10 minutes with a pocket calculator. The differences you have identified are insignificant. Spinning Jenny's point remains valid., and the pettyfogging pedantary makes no difference. Its a bit rich for someone taken in by UKIP's bogus figures to tell someone else to "get their facts right"
Wrong again.

The differences are not insignificant, they are out by thousands, hundreds of thousands and millions respectively.

The biggest error was her UK figure, which understated UKIP''s vote by 4.1% of the electorate, which is 1,971,887.

Typical Labour - failing statistics, manipulating the numbers - lying and cheating!!!

Good riddance to your party in York in 2015!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK![/p][/quote]I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!![/p][/quote]What a waste of 10 minutes with a pocket calculator. The differences you have identified are insignificant. Spinning Jenny's point remains valid., and the pettyfogging pedantary makes no difference. Its a bit rich for someone taken in by UKIP's bogus figures to tell someone else to "get their facts right"[/p][/quote]Wrong again. The differences are not insignificant, they are out by thousands, hundreds of thousands and millions respectively. The biggest error was her UK figure, which understated UKIP''s vote by 4.1% of the electorate, which is 1,971,887. Typical Labour - failing statistics, manipulating the numbers - lying and cheating!!! Good riddance to your party in York in 2015!!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -12

12:54pm Thu 29 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.
It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!!
I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%
Well you are using the wrong methodology.

You need to use the electorate - those eligible to vote!

Yet again, a Labour supporter using incorrect, illegitimate, misleading data!
[quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK![/p][/quote]I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!![/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%[/p][/quote]Well you are using the wrong methodology. You need to use the electorate - those eligible to vote! Yet again, a Labour supporter using incorrect, illegitimate, misleading data! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -33

1:16pm Thu 29 May 14

inmandres says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.
It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!!
I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%
Well you are using the wrong methodology. You need to use the electorate - those eligible to vote! Yet again, a Labour supporter using incorrect, illegitimate, misleading data!
Why do you think that anyone who is critical of the kippers is a Labour supporter? If you had read Jenny's earlier posts, she stated categorically that she is a Tory. Those who can see through the kipper lies don't support one party exclusively.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK![/p][/quote]I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!![/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%[/p][/quote]Well you are using the wrong methodology. You need to use the electorate - those eligible to vote! Yet again, a Labour supporter using incorrect, illegitimate, misleading data![/p][/quote]Why do you think that anyone who is critical of the kippers is a Labour supporter? If you had read Jenny's earlier posts, she stated categorically that she is a Tory. Those who can see through the kipper lies don't support one party exclusively. inmandres
  • Score: -5

2:16pm Thu 29 May 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

inmandres wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.
It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!!
I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%
Well you are using the wrong methodology. You need to use the electorate - those eligible to vote! Yet again, a Labour supporter using incorrect, illegitimate, misleading data!
Why do you think that anyone who is critical of the kippers is a Labour supporter? If you had read Jenny's earlier posts, she stated categorically that she is a Tory. Those who can see through the kipper lies don't support one party exclusively.
Standard McCarthyism and false dichotomy.
Paul's stock in trade.
[quote][p][bold]inmandres[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK![/p][/quote]I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!![/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%[/p][/quote]Well you are using the wrong methodology. You need to use the electorate - those eligible to vote! Yet again, a Labour supporter using incorrect, illegitimate, misleading data![/p][/quote]Why do you think that anyone who is critical of the kippers is a Labour supporter? If you had read Jenny's earlier posts, she stated categorically that she is a Tory. Those who can see through the kipper lies don't support one party exclusively.[/p][/quote]Standard McCarthyism and false dichotomy. Paul's stock in trade. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -2

2:57pm Thu 29 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
inmandres wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.
It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!!
I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%
Well you are using the wrong methodology. You need to use the electorate - those eligible to vote! Yet again, a Labour supporter using incorrect, illegitimate, misleading data!
Why do you think that anyone who is critical of the kippers is a Labour supporter? If you had read Jenny's earlier posts, she stated categorically that she is a Tory. Those who can see through the kipper lies don't support one party exclusively.
Standard McCarthyism and false dichotomy. Paul's stock in trade.
I didn't mention Marxism, Communism, Socialism, De-Leonism, Fabianism, Stalinism, or Trotskism...... but, they are all doing well in York, under the Labour banner and supported by the cultural, political elitists from the Third Sector!
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inmandres[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK![/p][/quote]I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!![/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%[/p][/quote]Well you are using the wrong methodology. You need to use the electorate - those eligible to vote! Yet again, a Labour supporter using incorrect, illegitimate, misleading data![/p][/quote]Why do you think that anyone who is critical of the kippers is a Labour supporter? If you had read Jenny's earlier posts, she stated categorically that she is a Tory. Those who can see through the kipper lies don't support one party exclusively.[/p][/quote]Standard McCarthyism and false dichotomy. Paul's stock in trade.[/p][/quote]I didn't mention Marxism, Communism, Socialism, De-Leonism, Fabianism, Stalinism, or Trotskism...... but, they are all doing well in York, under the Labour banner and supported by the cultural, political elitists from the Third Sector! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -33

4:25pm Thu 29 May 14

SpinningJenny says...

inmandres wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK!
I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.
It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!!
I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%
Well you are using the wrong methodology. You need to use the electorate - those eligible to vote! Yet again, a Labour supporter using incorrect, illegitimate, misleading data!
Why do you think that anyone who is critical of the kippers is a Labour supporter? If you had read Jenny's earlier posts, she stated categorically that she is a Tory. Those who can see through the kipper lies don't support one party exclusively.
@BadgersDrift - I'm not a Labour supporter...?

@imandres - could you provide me with the link to my post where I 'categorically stated' I was a Tory? I've certainly no recollection of making such a post and I've only had this account for a little over a week.
[quote][p][bold]inmandres[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: More sour grapes comments from the bitter and twisted party supporters.... Wounded by the 11,294 votes that UKIP polled in York! Devastated by the 403,630 votes that UKIP polled in Yorkshire & Humber! Heartbroken by the 4,376,635 votes that UKIP polled in the UK![/p][/quote]I feel it would be beneficial to point out that going by these figures, 95% of York's population, over 93% of people in Yorkshire and the Humber, and 95% of the country's population did not vote for UKIP.[/p][/quote]It would be beneficial if your figures were correct... York: 100% - (30.91% x 23.88%) = 92.6% (NOT 95%) Yorkshire & Humber: 100% - (33.5% x 31.1%) = 89.6% (NOT 93%) UK: 100% - (34.19% x 26.6%) = 90.9% (NOT 95%) You are bad enough at spinning, but, even worse at maths! Get your facts right!![/p][/quote]I'm not sure what you mean by '100% - (30.91% x 23.88%)' but I calculated my figures by looking up the population of the area in question and taking the votes as a percent of that. Example: York's population - estimated 202,000 York UKIP votes - 11,294 York UKIP votes as a percentage of population - 5.5%[/p][/quote]Well you are using the wrong methodology. You need to use the electorate - those eligible to vote! Yet again, a Labour supporter using incorrect, illegitimate, misleading data![/p][/quote]Why do you think that anyone who is critical of the kippers is a Labour supporter? If you had read Jenny's earlier posts, she stated categorically that she is a Tory. Those who can see through the kipper lies don't support one party exclusively.[/p][/quote]@BadgersDrift - I'm not a Labour supporter...? @imandres - could you provide me with the link to my post where I 'categorically stated' I was a Tory? I've certainly no recollection of making such a post and I've only had this account for a little over a week. SpinningJenny
  • Score: 2

4:38pm Thu 29 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

What's all this, 'I'm not this' or 'I'm not that'?

What are you?

I'm anti-EU, and for a small state with minimal inteference and minimal regulation which does not seek to stifle growth.
What's all this, 'I'm not this' or 'I'm not that'? What are you? I'm anti-EU, and for a small state with minimal inteference and minimal regulation which does not seek to stifle growth. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -31

8:50pm Thu 29 May 14

SpinningJenny says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
What's all this, 'I'm not this' or 'I'm not that'?

What are you?

I'm anti-EU, and for a small state with minimal inteference and minimal regulation which does not seek to stifle growth.
I have plenty of opinions but don't align with a particular party because there isn't one that fits with all of my beliefs. Since I wasn't eligible to vote in the last general election I don't have a voting history.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: What's all this, 'I'm not this' or 'I'm not that'? What are you? I'm anti-EU, and for a small state with minimal inteference and minimal regulation which does not seek to stifle growth.[/p][/quote]I have plenty of opinions but don't align with a particular party because there isn't one that fits with all of my beliefs. Since I wasn't eligible to vote in the last general election I don't have a voting history. SpinningJenny
  • Score: -4

11:41pm Thu 29 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: What's all this, 'I'm not this' or 'I'm not that'? What are you? I'm anti-EU, and for a small state with minimal inteference and minimal regulation which does not seek to stifle growth.
I have plenty of opinions but don't align with a particular party because there isn't one that fits with all of my beliefs. Since I wasn't eligible to vote in the last general election I don't have a voting history.
Which one aligns with more of your beliefs than the others, and what matters to you?
[quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: What's all this, 'I'm not this' or 'I'm not that'? What are you? I'm anti-EU, and for a small state with minimal inteference and minimal regulation which does not seek to stifle growth.[/p][/quote]I have plenty of opinions but don't align with a particular party because there isn't one that fits with all of my beliefs. Since I wasn't eligible to vote in the last general election I don't have a voting history.[/p][/quote]Which one aligns with more of your beliefs than the others, and what matters to you? Badgers Drift
  • Score: -1

9:14am Fri 30 May 14

SpinningJenny says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: What's all this, 'I'm not this' or 'I'm not that'? What are you? I'm anti-EU, and for a small state with minimal inteference and minimal regulation which does not seek to stifle growth.
I have plenty of opinions but don't align with a particular party because there isn't one that fits with all of my beliefs. Since I wasn't eligible to vote in the last general election I don't have a voting history.
Which one aligns with more of your beliefs than the others, and what matters to you?
Entirely depends on the situation. For example I voted Green in the European elections but am much less likely to do so in the General Elections since I think economics matters more in that case. I find it much easier to rule out which parties I won't be voting for (e.g. UKIP) than make positive decisions - all of them are flawed.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: What's all this, 'I'm not this' or 'I'm not that'? What are you? I'm anti-EU, and for a small state with minimal inteference and minimal regulation which does not seek to stifle growth.[/p][/quote]I have plenty of opinions but don't align with a particular party because there isn't one that fits with all of my beliefs. Since I wasn't eligible to vote in the last general election I don't have a voting history.[/p][/quote]Which one aligns with more of your beliefs than the others, and what matters to you?[/p][/quote]Entirely depends on the situation. For example I voted Green in the European elections but am much less likely to do so in the General Elections since I think economics matters more in that case. I find it much easier to rule out which parties I won't be voting for (e.g. UKIP) than make positive decisions - all of them are flawed. SpinningJenny
  • Score: -5

9:48am Fri 30 May 14

inmandres says...

@imandres - could you provide me with the link to my post where I 'categorically stated' I was a Tory? I've certainly no recollection of making such a post and I've only had this account for a little over a week.

Sorry Jenny, I mistakenly attributed someone else's post to you. Apologies!
@imandres - could you provide me with the link to my post where I 'categorically stated' I was a Tory? I've certainly no recollection of making such a post and I've only had this account for a little over a week. Sorry Jenny, I mistakenly attributed someone else's post to you. Apologies! inmandres
  • Score: -1

7:28pm Fri 30 May 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
#schism #dichotomy #hatred
#dichotomy? is that a medical condition?
It's much worse.
It's the artificial split into opposing factions. Not healthy for anyone or everyone.
"You're either with us or against us"
"If you disagree with me then you're obviously a supporter of *x* or *y*"
Very unhealthy.

It pits us all against each other to benefit others when we could be working together for the good of ourselves.

Politics and its fervent followers foster the false dichotomy and the split and the schism. It's the closest thing we have to perceptible evil. Read this thread... It's like a fight at a football match.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: #schism #dichotomy #hatred[/p][/quote]#dichotomy? is that a medical condition?[/p][/quote]It's much worse. It's the artificial split into opposing factions. Not healthy for anyone or everyone. "You're either with us or against us" "If you disagree with me then you're obviously a supporter of *x* or *y*" Very unhealthy. It pits us all against each other to benefit others when we could be working together for the good of ourselves. Politics and its fervent followers foster the false dichotomy and the split and the schism. It's the closest thing we have to perceptible evil. Read this thread... It's like a fight at a football match. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 3

7:40pm Fri 30 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
notpedallingpaul wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
#schism #dichotomy #hatred
#dichotomy? is that a medical condition?
It's much worse.
It's the artificial split into opposing factions. Not healthy for anyone or everyone.
"You're either with us or against us"
"If you disagree with me then you're obviously a supporter of *x* or *y*"
Very unhealthy.

It pits us all against each other to benefit others when we could be working together for the good of ourselves.

Politics and its fervent followers foster the false dichotomy and the split and the schism. It's the closest thing we have to perceptible evil. Read this thread... It's like a fight at a football match.
Wow, sounds terminal then?
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: #schism #dichotomy #hatred[/p][/quote]#dichotomy? is that a medical condition?[/p][/quote]It's much worse. It's the artificial split into opposing factions. Not healthy for anyone or everyone. "You're either with us or against us" "If you disagree with me then you're obviously a supporter of *x* or *y*" Very unhealthy. It pits us all against each other to benefit others when we could be working together for the good of ourselves. Politics and its fervent followers foster the false dichotomy and the split and the schism. It's the closest thing we have to perceptible evil. Read this thread... It's like a fight at a football match.[/p][/quote]Wow, sounds terminal then? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 3

1:21pm Sat 31 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: What's all this, 'I'm not this' or 'I'm not that'? What are you? I'm anti-EU, and for a small state with minimal inteference and minimal regulation which does not seek to stifle growth.
I have plenty of opinions but don't align with a particular party because there isn't one that fits with all of my beliefs. Since I wasn't eligible to vote in the last general election I don't have a voting history.
Which one aligns with more of your beliefs than the others, and what matters to you?
Entirely depends on the situation. For example I voted Green in the European elections but am much less likely to do so in the General Elections since I think economics matters more in that case. I find it much easier to rule out which parties I won't be voting for (e.g. UKIP) than make positive decisions - all of them are flawed.
So are you a Labour voter in the GE?
[quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: What's all this, 'I'm not this' or 'I'm not that'? What are you? I'm anti-EU, and for a small state with minimal inteference and minimal regulation which does not seek to stifle growth.[/p][/quote]I have plenty of opinions but don't align with a particular party because there isn't one that fits with all of my beliefs. Since I wasn't eligible to vote in the last general election I don't have a voting history.[/p][/quote]Which one aligns with more of your beliefs than the others, and what matters to you?[/p][/quote]Entirely depends on the situation. For example I voted Green in the European elections but am much less likely to do so in the General Elections since I think economics matters more in that case. I find it much easier to rule out which parties I won't be voting for (e.g. UKIP) than make positive decisions - all of them are flawed.[/p][/quote]So are you a Labour voter in the GE? Badgers Drift
  • Score: 1

1:23pm Sat 31 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
notpedallingpaul wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote: #schism #dichotomy #hatred
#dichotomy? is that a medical condition?
It's much worse. It's the artificial split into opposing factions. Not healthy for anyone or everyone. "You're either with us or against us" "If you disagree with me then you're obviously a supporter of *x* or *y*" Very unhealthy. It pits us all against each other to benefit others when we could be working together for the good of ourselves. Politics and its fervent followers foster the false dichotomy and the split and the schism. It's the closest thing we have to perceptible evil. Read this thread... It's like a fight at a football match.
The worst offenders being the left!
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: #schism #dichotomy #hatred[/p][/quote]#dichotomy? is that a medical condition?[/p][/quote]It's much worse. It's the artificial split into opposing factions. Not healthy for anyone or everyone. "You're either with us or against us" "If you disagree with me then you're obviously a supporter of *x* or *y*" Very unhealthy. It pits us all against each other to benefit others when we could be working together for the good of ourselves. Politics and its fervent followers foster the false dichotomy and the split and the schism. It's the closest thing we have to perceptible evil. Read this thread... It's like a fight at a football match.[/p][/quote]The worst offenders being the left! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 1

4:28pm Sat 31 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Having kept an eye on the comments, I have to say I'm with you Badgers Drift on this.
It seems to me that the UKIP party are being targeted by supporters of the other political parties as a "johnny-come-lately" because they were so successful in the European elections, and they are now throwing their arms in the air shouting "just a minute this can't be right we are the established political parties, everyone should vote for us", well they haven't and they have all - red, blue and yellow - had a shock, and I agree with the writer when he says - "Those on the left and the PC establishment, who historically preached tolerance are the new fascists trying to enforce their political views through labelling any opposition as xenophobic,or racist".
Having kept an eye on the comments, I have to say I'm with you Badgers Drift on this. It seems to me that the UKIP party are being targeted by supporters of the other political parties as a "johnny-come-lately" because they were so successful in the European elections, and they are now throwing their arms in the air shouting "just a minute this can't be right we are the established political parties, everyone should vote for us", well they haven't and they have all - red, blue and yellow - had a shock, and I agree with the writer when he says - "Those on the left and the PC establishment, who historically preached tolerance are the new fascists trying to enforce their political views through labelling any opposition as xenophobic,or racist". notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 3

11:48am Sun 1 Jun 14

VinceYork says...

Martin, so are you saying that UKIP isn't racist then... bit of a hard position to defend I think!
Martin, so are you saying that UKIP isn't racist then... bit of a hard position to defend I think! VinceYork
  • Score: -6

3:01pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Dave Taylor says...

Here's the link to the UKIP fascist saying "rivals and traitors" should be killed. Even more scary is the thought that he runs a home for the elderly. I'd have any of my relatives out of there pretty smartish! http://www.independe
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nalty-for-rivals-and
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Here's the link to the UKIP fascist saying "rivals and traitors" should be killed. Even more scary is the thought that he runs a home for the elderly. I'd have any of my relatives out of there pretty smartish! http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/ukip-candidat e-calls-for-death-pe nalty-for-rivals-and -traitors-9394850.ht ml Dave Taylor
  • Score: -3

2:58pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Kelvar says...

Hopefully, by the time of the local elections in the City of York, we will have a FEW GOOD INDEPENDENT people standing AGAINST the main parties! I have had enough of this Labour Council, the Lib Dems were not much better and enough said about UKIP (although I hope to God they do not get in!) Musn't forget to mention the Tories (although I can't remember if they have done anything or not!) Whoever does 'get in' though - I hope they remember 'Power to the People! Something that the current 'mob' seem to have forgotten..
Hopefully, by the time of the local elections in the City of York, we will have a FEW GOOD INDEPENDENT people standing AGAINST the main parties! I have had enough of this Labour Council, the Lib Dems were not much better and enough said about UKIP (although I hope to God they do not get in!) Musn't forget to mention the Tories (although I can't remember if they have done anything or not!) Whoever does 'get in' though - I hope they remember 'Power to the People! Something that the current 'mob' seem to have forgotten.. Kelvar
  • Score: 3

7:34pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ned The Head says...

Wasn't it Gordon Brown who advocated 'British jobs for British workers?
Didn't the Labour party also field an ex-BNP candidate in Burnley at the last local elections?
Are people really so stupid that they confuse party policy with the individual beliefs of one or two of their party members?
Cyril Smith............let
's not go there..........
Wasn't it Gordon Brown who advocated 'British jobs for British workers? Didn't the Labour party also field an ex-BNP candidate in Burnley at the last local elections? Are people really so stupid that they confuse party policy with the individual beliefs of one or two of their party members? Cyril Smith............let 's not go there.......... Ned The Head
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