Bridge decision was short sighted

York Press: Lendal Bridge during the traffic restrictions Lendal Bridge during the traffic restrictions

IT IS ironic that the outright opposition of the business community and the Chamber of Trade to the closure of Lendal Bridge coincided with the latest figures for footfall in the city.

Despite the dire warnings about the negative effect on business, figures published in The Press showed a 10.6 per cent increase in shoppers in March 2014 with Lendal Bridge closed, compared with the same period last year when the bridge was open.

Some of us remember the opposition by the same interest group 25 years ago when the then council leader proposed making the city centre a pedestrian area. By comparison with the recent reactions to the Lendal Bridge proposals, the vitriol experienced by Coun Hills was far greater. Nevertheless, believing the changes were in the best interests of the city and its residents, he pressed on.

Who would want to turn back the clock now? Not the city centre businesses – they have never had it so good. Indeed those in Fossgate are pleading with the council to extend the scheme to include that area.

The city will regret caving in to the self interests of motorists and the business community in years to come.

Bob Towner, Hobgate, York.

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11:42am Sat 3 May 14

yorkandproud says...

Bob, if you believe that closing Lendal Bridge was responsible for the increase in footfall in York City centre , you are living in "cloud cuckoo land". The reason for the increased visitors, is because York is mose popular than it has ever been. No more no less. I live in the Bootham area, and since the bridge has been reopened, I have been allowed back into the Railway Station area, without a 3 mile detour to get there. You live in the Acomb area, and you were not affected by the closure at all. You'd soon start moaning if they closed Holgate Bridge.
Bob, if you believe that closing Lendal Bridge was responsible for the increase in footfall in York City centre , you are living in "cloud cuckoo land". The reason for the increased visitors, is because York is mose popular than it has ever been. No more no less. I live in the Bootham area, and since the bridge has been reopened, I have been allowed back into the Railway Station area, without a 3 mile detour to get there. You live in the Acomb area, and you were not affected by the closure at all. You'd soon start moaning if they closed Holgate Bridge. yorkandproud
  • Score: -9

11:51am Sat 3 May 14

Yorkieand says...

yorkandproud wrote:
Bob, if you believe that closing Lendal Bridge was responsible for the increase in footfall in York City centre , you are living in "cloud cuckoo land". The reason for the increased visitors, is because York is mose popular than it has ever been. No more no less. I live in the Bootham area, and since the bridge has been reopened, I have been allowed back into the Railway Station area, without a 3 mile detour to get there. You live in the Acomb area, and you were not affected by the closure at all. You'd soon start moaning if they closed Holgate Bridge.
You live in Bootham and yet need to drive to the station area? What is it, a ten minute walk at most! For those not able to walk it would be little more than a couple of quid in a taxi with the bridge "shut" to other cars.
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: Bob, if you believe that closing Lendal Bridge was responsible for the increase in footfall in York City centre , you are living in "cloud cuckoo land". The reason for the increased visitors, is because York is mose popular than it has ever been. No more no less. I live in the Bootham area, and since the bridge has been reopened, I have been allowed back into the Railway Station area, without a 3 mile detour to get there. You live in the Acomb area, and you were not affected by the closure at all. You'd soon start moaning if they closed Holgate Bridge.[/p][/quote]You live in Bootham and yet need to drive to the station area? What is it, a ten minute walk at most! For those not able to walk it would be little more than a couple of quid in a taxi with the bridge "shut" to other cars. Yorkieand
  • Score: 14

12:07pm Sat 3 May 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Once again comparisons with the city centre pedestrian area of many years ago. I fail to see the link between the two. Years ago the vocal minority who opposed this were then those who had a voice, which most did not at that time, and closing the streets which were closed had no where near the same impact as closing Lendal Bridge. My recollection at the time was the silent minority agreed with the pedestrian area plan, as did I, and I could not wait to go into town and experience the car free streets.
Once again comparisons with the city centre pedestrian area of many years ago. I fail to see the link between the two. Years ago the vocal minority who opposed this were then those who had a voice, which most did not at that time, and closing the streets which were closed had no where near the same impact as closing Lendal Bridge. My recollection at the time was the silent minority agreed with the pedestrian area plan, as did I, and I could not wait to go into town and experience the car free streets. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -39

1:21pm Sat 3 May 14

marvell says...

If you bothered to do any research Bob, long term footfall figures have been consistently down for the duration of the closure. Funny how the Labour apologists are appearing now - trying to undo the huge damage to their reputation...
If you bothered to do any research Bob, long term footfall figures have been consistently down for the duration of the closure. Funny how the Labour apologists are appearing now - trying to undo the huge damage to their reputation... marvell
  • Score: -52

3:54pm Sat 3 May 14

purpletimbo says...

Don't hold your breath, they removed the cameras and chopped down the brand new perfectly good lit posts on Thursday that held the signs, surely they would have served some useful purpose? Better than a live wire in a hole in the pavement covered by a cone?
Don't hold your breath, they removed the cameras and chopped down the brand new perfectly good lit posts on Thursday that held the signs, surely they would have served some useful purpose? Better than a live wire in a hole in the pavement covered by a cone? purpletimbo
  • Score: -7

5:38pm Sat 3 May 14

Jonothon says...

yorkandproud wrote:
Bob, if you believe that closing Lendal Bridge was responsible for the increase in footfall in York City centre , you are living in "cloud cuckoo land". The reason for the increased visitors, is because York is mose popular than it has ever been. No more no less. I live in the Bootham area, and since the bridge has been reopened, I have been allowed back into the Railway Station area, without a 3 mile detour to get there. You live in the Acomb area, and you were not affected by the closure at all. You'd soon start moaning if they closed Holgate Bridge.
You are trying to put words in the letter writers mouth.

He is not claiming that the closure caused the increase footfall. He is simply pointing out that the whingers got it wrong when they predicted that visitor numbers would be down. They were not. They were up.
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: Bob, if you believe that closing Lendal Bridge was responsible for the increase in footfall in York City centre , you are living in "cloud cuckoo land". The reason for the increased visitors, is because York is mose popular than it has ever been. No more no less. I live in the Bootham area, and since the bridge has been reopened, I have been allowed back into the Railway Station area, without a 3 mile detour to get there. You live in the Acomb area, and you were not affected by the closure at all. You'd soon start moaning if they closed Holgate Bridge.[/p][/quote]You are trying to put words in the letter writers mouth. He is not claiming that the closure caused the increase footfall. He is simply pointing out that the whingers got it wrong when they predicted that visitor numbers would be down. They were not. They were up. Jonothon
  • Score: 22

6:40pm Sat 3 May 14

CaroleBaines says...

If you've lived in this city as long as I have, you've seen city centre traders claim all sorts of situations will bring tumbleweed to York's core. Clifton Moor, MX, pedestrian initiatives, parking initiatives, Designer Outlet, MX2 etc etc.
These traders are entitled to their opinion and to do what is best for their businesses, but like turkeys voting against Xmas, it does not mean that their self interest is correct for the rest of us.
If you've lived in this city as long as I have, you've seen city centre traders claim all sorts of situations will bring tumbleweed to York's core. Clifton Moor, MX, pedestrian initiatives, parking initiatives, Designer Outlet, MX2 etc etc. These traders are entitled to their opinion and to do what is best for their businesses, but like turkeys voting against Xmas, it does not mean that their self interest is correct for the rest of us. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 24

8:50pm Sat 3 May 14

Tricky Dickie says...

Yorkieand wrote:
yorkandproud wrote:
Bob, if you believe that closing Lendal Bridge was responsible for the increase in footfall in York City centre , you are living in "cloud cuckoo land". The reason for the increased visitors, is because York is mose popular than it has ever been. No more no less. I live in the Bootham area, and since the bridge has been reopened, I have been allowed back into the Railway Station area, without a 3 mile detour to get there. You live in the Acomb area, and you were not affected by the closure at all. You'd soon start moaning if they closed Holgate Bridge.
You live in Bootham and yet need to drive to the station area? What is it, a ten minute walk at most! For those not able to walk it would be little more than a couple of quid in a taxi with the bridge "shut" to other cars.
Sadly Yorkieand your response typifies that of the seemingly growing band of New Puritans, that believe they have some God given right to tell other people how to go about their lawful activities.

You have absolutely know idea about yorkandproud's life, lifestyle choices, business, health, financial status.....nothing. Yet you seem to think you have the right to tell y&p to walk to the station, or spend their money in a way that suits you.

You have absolutely every right to have an opinion as to whether Lendal Bridge should or shouldn't have remained shut, and you can be as vocal as you like about that. But you have no more right to dictate to the next man what they should or shouldn't do with their life, time or money, as they have to dictate what you do with yours.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: Bob, if you believe that closing Lendal Bridge was responsible for the increase in footfall in York City centre , you are living in "cloud cuckoo land". The reason for the increased visitors, is because York is mose popular than it has ever been. No more no less. I live in the Bootham area, and since the bridge has been reopened, I have been allowed back into the Railway Station area, without a 3 mile detour to get there. You live in the Acomb area, and you were not affected by the closure at all. You'd soon start moaning if they closed Holgate Bridge.[/p][/quote]You live in Bootham and yet need to drive to the station area? What is it, a ten minute walk at most! For those not able to walk it would be little more than a couple of quid in a taxi with the bridge "shut" to other cars.[/p][/quote]Sadly Yorkieand your response typifies that of the seemingly growing band of New Puritans, that believe they have some God given right to tell other people how to go about their lawful activities. You have absolutely know idea about yorkandproud's life, lifestyle choices, business, health, financial status.....nothing. Yet you seem to think you have the right to tell y&p to walk to the station, or spend their money in a way that suits you. You have absolutely every right to have an opinion as to whether Lendal Bridge should or shouldn't have remained shut, and you can be as vocal as you like about that. But you have no more right to dictate to the next man what they should or shouldn't do with their life, time or money, as they have to dictate what you do with yours. Tricky Dickie
  • Score: -29

9:10pm Sat 3 May 14

strangebuttrue? says...

I am particularly proud that the score adjuster still warrants my posts as worthy of attention.
I am particularly proud that the score adjuster still warrants my posts as worthy of attention. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -81

11:50pm Sat 3 May 14

strangebuttrue? says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
I am particularly proud that the score adjuster still warrants my posts as worthy of attention.
Thank you here is another one for you to waste your time on score adjuster.
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: I am particularly proud that the score adjuster still warrants my posts as worthy of attention.[/p][/quote]Thank you here is another one for you to waste your time on score adjuster. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -45

6:55pm Tue 6 May 14

WhyEver says...

UK Met Office : "Temperatures for March 2013 were well below average everywhere. ... Snow continued in northern areas on 23rd with Bingley (North Yorkshire) recording a depth of 22 cm; it remained bitterly cold, with day-time temperatures struggling to rise above 0 °C in central areas..."

Perhaps closing Lendal Bridge made this year warmer?
UK Met Office : "Temperatures for March 2013 were well below average everywhere. ... Snow continued in northern areas on 23rd with Bingley (North Yorkshire) recording a depth of 22 cm; it remained bitterly cold, with day-time temperatures struggling to rise above 0 °C in central areas..." Perhaps closing Lendal Bridge made this year warmer? WhyEver
  • Score: 1

12:34pm Wed 7 May 14

greenmonkey says...

Whatever the reason for increased footfall, we have to find some way to make more efficient use of limited roadspace in a historic city, and ways to cut the dangerous levels of traffic pollution blighting the lives of residents living on or near main roads. In fact the trend is such that if predicted traffic levels are reached everyone in the urban area will be living in pollution breaching World Health Organisation safe limits. Not as bad as China, but then we don't want to see it reach that level. Cuts to the bus fares and more punctual service can only happen if they get priority and fast direct access - bringing them back under council control would stop all the profit going to First, but the council does have influence even now, especially with the Park and Ride services which are tendered services.
Whatever the reason for increased footfall, we have to find some way to make more efficient use of limited roadspace in a historic city, and ways to cut the dangerous levels of traffic pollution blighting the lives of residents living on or near main roads. In fact the trend is such that if predicted traffic levels are reached everyone in the urban area will be living in pollution breaching World Health Organisation safe limits. Not as bad as China, but then we don't want to see it reach that level. Cuts to the bus fares and more punctual service can only happen if they get priority and fast direct access - bringing them back under council control would stop all the profit going to First, but the council does have influence even now, especially with the Park and Ride services which are tendered services. greenmonkey
  • Score: 0

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