Lendal trial principles were sound

Lendal trial principles were sound

Lendal trial principles were sound

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WITH all the overblown rhetoric about Lendal Bridge from Conservative and Lib Dem councillors, it’s easy to forget that the principles behind the trial are still sound.

The truth of the matter is that congestion has become a major issue in York, particularly around the Lendal Bridge area, and the level of pollution is deeply concerning.

We need to have a serious debate about how we make York a pleasant place to visit, and not a city that is just clogged up with traffic.

We should remember that the former leader of the Conservative group, Cllr Ian Gillies, supported moves to combat congestion before the last local elections, but unfortunately the positions of the Conservative group now seem to be determined by political expediency, and not what is in the best interests of York.

I much hope that the cross-party commission proposed by Cllr James Alexander succeeds in creating a long-term vision as to how we solve the congestion problem in York.

The council made a brave attempt to deal with these issues with the temporary restrictions on Lendal Bridge, and it is very important that all that effort is not wasted.

Nick Button, Eighth Avenue, Heworth, York

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9:08pm Sat 19 Apr 14

AnotherPointofView says...

The principal of trying to reduce traffic/congestion is fine, the closure of Lendal Bridge was always wrong though. It is part of the inner ring road and the resulting congestion elsewhere and pollution elsewhere was always so predictable. For me it was never the correct thing to do and is something I said way before the trial started.

I would like the cross party commission to succeed but with the local elections looming, I really doubt there will be sufficient collaboration between parties.
The principal of trying to reduce traffic/congestion is fine, the closure of Lendal Bridge was always wrong though. It is part of the inner ring road and the resulting congestion elsewhere and pollution elsewhere was always so predictable. For me it was never the correct thing to do and is something I said way before the trial started. I would like the cross party commission to succeed but with the local elections looming, I really doubt there will be sufficient collaboration between parties. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 9

9:39pm Sat 19 Apr 14

nowthen says...

A simple question Mr Button ; did Cllr Merrett ask you to write to the Press in support of the Lendal bridge closure ?
A simple question Mr Button ; did Cllr Merrett ask you to write to the Press in support of the Lendal bridge closure ? nowthen
  • Score: 8

11:13am Sun 20 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

Nick
Bravo for supporting your leader. Could I counsel you to read the York transport Plan 2011- 2031 and ask yourself a couple of questions.

1. Why when the plan, hot off the press, proposed action on Ouse bridge this decade, then Lendal next decade- did James and Kersten England without explanation, evaluation or research go for the option they chose?

2. Why did James and David do it so quickly and Kersten England allow it, knowing as she most surely should have, that the scheme rushed and unplanned was doomed for failure? I bet if you asked the staff, they would have said such a radical proposal would need at least a year or two to make the proper preparations- I am thinking they got several months

3. Why did James and David refuse completely to work with citizens to develop success and fail metrics so we could evaluate the success or fail quite forensically? Why didn't internal and external auditors call them to task for such unprofessional action?

4. Why did James and his labour councillors make and announce the collapse of the scheme ahead of having the independent evidence and do it behind closed doors. Where was democracy in all that?

be careful Nick to blindly follow- question, question, question. Had the policy been properly prepared, the implementation properly done, we might all be looking at a different scenario- but now they are in blind panic mode.

Until I see the Terms of Reference, the appointment process for the so called 'independent' chair of this 'so-called' commission and it's legal status I will think it only a pathetic sop to try and get votes back. If it was like the more independent fairness commission - don't believe me- read the Peerreview of Cityo for York Council- says it all.... It met for virtually nothing.
Nick Bravo for supporting your leader. Could I counsel you to read the York transport Plan 2011- 2031 and ask yourself a couple of questions. 1. Why when the plan, hot off the press, proposed action on Ouse bridge this decade, then Lendal next decade- did James and Kersten England without explanation, evaluation or research go for the option they chose? 2. Why did James and David do it so quickly and Kersten England allow it, knowing as she most surely should have, that the scheme rushed and unplanned was doomed for failure? I bet if you asked the staff, they would have said such a radical proposal would need at least a year or two to make the proper preparations- I am thinking they got several months 3. Why did James and David refuse completely to work with citizens to develop success and fail metrics so we could evaluate the success or fail quite forensically? Why didn't internal and external auditors call them to task for such unprofessional action? 4. Why did James and his labour councillors make and announce the collapse of the scheme ahead of having the independent evidence and do it behind closed doors. Where was democracy in all that? be careful Nick to blindly follow- question, question, question. Had the policy been properly prepared, the implementation properly done, we might all be looking at a different scenario- but now they are in blind panic mode. Until I see the Terms of Reference, the appointment process for the so called 'independent' chair of this 'so-called' commission and it's legal status I will think it only a pathetic sop to try and get votes back. If it was like the more independent fairness commission - don't believe me- read the Peerreview of Cityo for York Council- says it all.... It met for virtually nothing. gmsgop
  • Score: -6

5:51pm Sun 20 Apr 14

Thislittleold market town says...

gmsgop wrote:
Nick
Bravo for supporting your leader. Could I counsel you to read the York transport Plan 2011- 2031 and ask yourself a couple of questions.

1. Why when the plan, hot off the press, proposed action on Ouse bridge this decade, then Lendal next decade- did James and Kersten England without explanation, evaluation or research go for the option they chose?

2. Why did James and David do it so quickly and Kersten England allow it, knowing as she most surely should have, that the scheme rushed and unplanned was doomed for failure? I bet if you asked the staff, they would have said such a radical proposal would need at least a year or two to make the proper preparations- I am thinking they got several months

3. Why did James and David refuse completely to work with citizens to develop success and fail metrics so we could evaluate the success or fail quite forensically? Why didn't internal and external auditors call them to task for such unprofessional action?

4. Why did James and his labour councillors make and announce the collapse of the scheme ahead of having the independent evidence and do it behind closed doors. Where was democracy in all that?

be careful Nick to blindly follow- question, question, question. Had the policy been properly prepared, the implementation properly done, we might all be looking at a different scenario- but now they are in blind panic mode.

Until I see the Terms of Reference, the appointment process for the so called 'independent' chair of this 'so-called' commission and it's legal status I will think it only a pathetic sop to try and get votes back. If it was like the more independent fairness commission - don't believe me- read the Peerreview of Cityo for York Council- says it all.... It met for virtually nothing.
You will absolutely have zero chance of a reply from Mr Button (aka Mr labour) and the reason for this Gwen is you have asked valid intelligent questions to which a Labour council which promised transparency when elected to office have done absolutely the opposite,they hold meetings behind closed doors,only invite followers(who never question) to ward meetings and block people on twitter who ask for accountability and democracy,and also band together to get comments which are critical removed on here so I'm actually surprised your comment remains because I'm sure mine will have the life span of a mayfly,not before being thumbed down a couple of thousand times
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: Nick Bravo for supporting your leader. Could I counsel you to read the York transport Plan 2011- 2031 and ask yourself a couple of questions. 1. Why when the plan, hot off the press, proposed action on Ouse bridge this decade, then Lendal next decade- did James and Kersten England without explanation, evaluation or research go for the option they chose? 2. Why did James and David do it so quickly and Kersten England allow it, knowing as she most surely should have, that the scheme rushed and unplanned was doomed for failure? I bet if you asked the staff, they would have said such a radical proposal would need at least a year or two to make the proper preparations- I am thinking they got several months 3. Why did James and David refuse completely to work with citizens to develop success and fail metrics so we could evaluate the success or fail quite forensically? Why didn't internal and external auditors call them to task for such unprofessional action? 4. Why did James and his labour councillors make and announce the collapse of the scheme ahead of having the independent evidence and do it behind closed doors. Where was democracy in all that? be careful Nick to blindly follow- question, question, question. Had the policy been properly prepared, the implementation properly done, we might all be looking at a different scenario- but now they are in blind panic mode. Until I see the Terms of Reference, the appointment process for the so called 'independent' chair of this 'so-called' commission and it's legal status I will think it only a pathetic sop to try and get votes back. If it was like the more independent fairness commission - don't believe me- read the Peerreview of Cityo for York Council- says it all.... It met for virtually nothing.[/p][/quote]You will absolutely have zero chance of a reply from Mr Button (aka Mr labour) and the reason for this Gwen is you have asked valid intelligent questions to which a Labour council which promised transparency when elected to office have done absolutely the opposite,they hold meetings behind closed doors,only invite followers(who never question) to ward meetings and block people on twitter who ask for accountability and democracy,and also band together to get comments which are critical removed on here so I'm actually surprised your comment remains because I'm sure mine will have the life span of a mayfly,not before being thumbed down a couple of thousand times Thislittleold market town
  • Score: -36

6:13pm Sun 20 Apr 14

Thislittleold market town says...

Thislittleold market town wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Nick
Bravo for supporting your leader. Could I counsel you to read the York transport Plan 2011- 2031 and ask yourself a couple of questions.

1. Why when the plan, hot off the press, proposed action on Ouse bridge this decade, then Lendal next decade- did James and Kersten England without explanation, evaluation or research go for the option they chose?

2. Why did James and David do it so quickly and Kersten England allow it, knowing as she most surely should have, that the scheme rushed and unplanned was doomed for failure? I bet if you asked the staff, they would have said such a radical proposal would need at least a year or two to make the proper preparations- I am thinking they got several months

3. Why did James and David refuse completely to work with citizens to develop success and fail metrics so we could evaluate the success or fail quite forensically? Why didn't internal and external auditors call them to task for such unprofessional action?

4. Why did James and his labour councillors make and announce the collapse of the scheme ahead of having the independent evidence and do it behind closed doors. Where was democracy in all that?

be careful Nick to blindly follow- question, question, question. Had the policy been properly prepared, the implementation properly done, we might all be looking at a different scenario- but now they are in blind panic mode.

Until I see the Terms of Reference, the appointment process for the so called 'independent' chair of this 'so-called' commission and it's legal status I will think it only a pathetic sop to try and get votes back. If it was like the more independent fairness commission - don't believe me- read the Peerreview of Cityo for York Council- says it all.... It met for virtually nothing.
You will absolutely have zero chance of a reply from Mr Button (aka Mr labour) and the reason for this Gwen is you have asked valid intelligent questions to which a Labour council which promised transparency when elected to office have done absolutely the opposite,they hold meetings behind closed doors,only invite followers(who never question) to ward meetings and block people on twitter who ask for accountability and democracy,and also band together to get comments which are critical removed on here so I'm actually surprised your comment remains because I'm sure mine will have the life span of a mayfly,not before being thumbed down a couple of thousand times
Or maybe until Tuesday around 11am when they return back to work at the councils plush new headquarters
[quote][p][bold]Thislittleold market town[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: Nick Bravo for supporting your leader. Could I counsel you to read the York transport Plan 2011- 2031 and ask yourself a couple of questions. 1. Why when the plan, hot off the press, proposed action on Ouse bridge this decade, then Lendal next decade- did James and Kersten England without explanation, evaluation or research go for the option they chose? 2. Why did James and David do it so quickly and Kersten England allow it, knowing as she most surely should have, that the scheme rushed and unplanned was doomed for failure? I bet if you asked the staff, they would have said such a radical proposal would need at least a year or two to make the proper preparations- I am thinking they got several months 3. Why did James and David refuse completely to work with citizens to develop success and fail metrics so we could evaluate the success or fail quite forensically? Why didn't internal and external auditors call them to task for such unprofessional action? 4. Why did James and his labour councillors make and announce the collapse of the scheme ahead of having the independent evidence and do it behind closed doors. Where was democracy in all that? be careful Nick to blindly follow- question, question, question. Had the policy been properly prepared, the implementation properly done, we might all be looking at a different scenario- but now they are in blind panic mode. Until I see the Terms of Reference, the appointment process for the so called 'independent' chair of this 'so-called' commission and it's legal status I will think it only a pathetic sop to try and get votes back. If it was like the more independent fairness commission - don't believe me- read the Peerreview of Cityo for York Council- says it all.... It met for virtually nothing.[/p][/quote]You will absolutely have zero chance of a reply from Mr Button (aka Mr labour) and the reason for this Gwen is you have asked valid intelligent questions to which a Labour council which promised transparency when elected to office have done absolutely the opposite,they hold meetings behind closed doors,only invite followers(who never question) to ward meetings and block people on twitter who ask for accountability and democracy,and also band together to get comments which are critical removed on here so I'm actually surprised your comment remains because I'm sure mine will have the life span of a mayfly,not before being thumbed down a couple of thousand times[/p][/quote]Or maybe until Tuesday around 11am when they return back to work at the councils plush new headquarters Thislittleold market town
  • Score: -25

10:03am Mon 21 Apr 14

CHISSY1 says...

You all want to get out more.If all the letter writers and posters have nothing better to do than bang on about the bridge and who to blame,i have a suggestion.Get from behind your net curtains,get yourself a hobby or concern yourselves on more important issues,eg getting out country back for a start.
You all want to get out more.If all the letter writers and posters have nothing better to do than bang on about the bridge and who to blame,i have a suggestion.Get from behind your net curtains,get yourself a hobby or concern yourselves on more important issues,eg getting out country back for a start. CHISSY1
  • Score: -10

5:09pm Mon 21 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
You all want to get out more.If all the letter writers and posters have nothing better to do than bang on about the bridge and who to blame,i have a suggestion.Get from behind your net curtains,get yourself a hobby or concern yourselves on more important issues,eg getting out country back for a start.
Oh dear oh dear - these comments were all fairly clear to me- they were about democracy, transparency, metrics and engagement. Pity you have nothing substantive to say. I for one greatly value the different ideas and perspectives from the 'extra' ordinary citizens who comment on the York Press site.

We are engaging on the very essence of our democracy, transparency, accountability and the law. So I, and I hope many more will engage and comment - ignoring your infantile, inarticulate and insulting comments that added zero to the debate.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: You all want to get out more.If all the letter writers and posters have nothing better to do than bang on about the bridge and who to blame,i have a suggestion.Get from behind your net curtains,get yourself a hobby or concern yourselves on more important issues,eg getting out country back for a start.[/p][/quote]Oh dear oh dear - these comments were all fairly clear to me- they were about democracy, transparency, metrics and engagement. Pity you have nothing substantive to say. I for one greatly value the different ideas and perspectives from the 'extra' ordinary citizens who comment on the York Press site. We are engaging on the very essence of our democracy, transparency, accountability and the law. So I, and I hope many more will engage and comment - ignoring your infantile, inarticulate and insulting comments that added zero to the debate. gmsgop
  • Score: 9

5:25pm Mon 21 Apr 14

CHISSY1 says...

gmsgop wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
You all want to get out more.If all the letter writers and posters have nothing better to do than bang on about the bridge and who to blame,i have a suggestion.Get from behind your net curtains,get yourself a hobby or concern yourselves on more important issues,eg getting out country back for a start.
Oh dear oh dear - these comments were all fairly clear to me- they were about democracy, transparency, metrics and engagement. Pity you have nothing substantive to say. I for one greatly value the different ideas and perspectives from the 'extra' ordinary citizens who comment on the York Press site.

We are engaging on the very essence of our democracy, transparency, accountability and the law. So I, and I hope many more will engage and comment - ignoring your infantile, inarticulate and insulting comments that added zero to the debate.
So you are not bothered about our country then.If anyone is insulting it is you.i am not inarticulate,on the contrary,i say it as it is.Unlike yourself some of the words you come out with is obvious that you are brainwashed by politicians.
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: You all want to get out more.If all the letter writers and posters have nothing better to do than bang on about the bridge and who to blame,i have a suggestion.Get from behind your net curtains,get yourself a hobby or concern yourselves on more important issues,eg getting out country back for a start.[/p][/quote]Oh dear oh dear - these comments were all fairly clear to me- they were about democracy, transparency, metrics and engagement. Pity you have nothing substantive to say. I for one greatly value the different ideas and perspectives from the 'extra' ordinary citizens who comment on the York Press site. We are engaging on the very essence of our democracy, transparency, accountability and the law. So I, and I hope many more will engage and comment - ignoring your infantile, inarticulate and insulting comments that added zero to the debate.[/p][/quote]So you are not bothered about our country then.If anyone is insulting it is you.i am not inarticulate,on the contrary,i say it as it is.Unlike yourself some of the words you come out with is obvious that you are brainwashed by politicians. CHISSY1
  • Score: -10

8:09pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Wagwot says...

The 'Score' system here is fascinatingly odd. Out of the hundreds/thousands of readers, the score consistently (and suspiciously quickly) hits about "-50" when there is a post which expresses negativity to the Labour party. These being the same folk who just undid a wildly unpopular endeavour. By 'wildly unpopular' I mean that there were far more people who didn't want it than did.

Of course I don;t know who they are, but it looks like a cute email group working together to push the stats.

Nice try guys...

(please see score to see if I'm right!)
The 'Score' system here is fascinatingly odd. Out of the hundreds/thousands of readers, the score consistently (and suspiciously quickly) hits about "-50" when there is a post which expresses negativity to the Labour party. These being the same folk who just undid a wildly unpopular endeavour. By 'wildly unpopular' I mean that there were far more people who didn't want it than did. Of course I don;t know who they are, but it looks like a cute email group working together to push the stats. Nice try guys... (please see score to see if I'm right!) Wagwot
  • Score: 3

4:37am Tue 22 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
The principal of trying to reduce traffic/congestion is fine, the closure of Lendal Bridge was always wrong though. It is part of the inner ring road and the resulting congestion elsewhere and pollution elsewhere was always so predictable. For me it was never the correct thing to do and is something I said way before the trial started.

I would like the cross party commission to succeed but with the local elections looming, I really doubt there will be sufficient collaboration between parties.
People in York have had DECADES to voluntarily reduce their use of cars. It hasn't happened and so the gamble was taken to close Lendal bridge and essentially force people to change their route or transport choice. This is in the same was as for years when a bus has been in a layby bus stop and indicated to pull out, people had the choice to voluntarily signal for the bus to pull out - but drivers got more and more selfish and would not let the bus proceed thus delaying the service significantly - to the point where laybe bus stops get removed and are put inline with the road with a traffic island to prevent any overtaking of a waiting bus.

The closure reasons were sound, but capacity should have been increased elsewhere in the city road network (primarily the A1237) before closing the bridge.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: The principal of trying to reduce traffic/congestion is fine, the closure of Lendal Bridge was always wrong though. It is part of the inner ring road and the resulting congestion elsewhere and pollution elsewhere was always so predictable. For me it was never the correct thing to do and is something I said way before the trial started. I would like the cross party commission to succeed but with the local elections looming, I really doubt there will be sufficient collaboration between parties.[/p][/quote]People in York have had DECADES to voluntarily reduce their use of cars. It hasn't happened and so the gamble was taken to close Lendal bridge and essentially force people to change their route or transport choice. This is in the same was as for years when a bus has been in a layby bus stop and indicated to pull out, people had the choice to voluntarily signal for the bus to pull out - but drivers got more and more selfish and would not let the bus proceed thus delaying the service significantly - to the point where laybe bus stops get removed and are put inline with the road with a traffic island to prevent any overtaking of a waiting bus. The closure reasons were sound, but capacity should have been increased elsewhere in the city road network (primarily the A1237) before closing the bridge. Magicman!
  • Score: -1

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