Follow brave Ken

Follow brave Ken

Follow brave Ken

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SO Labour got cold feet over Lendal Bridge. Perhaps they should have taken a leaf out of Ken Livingstone’s book, a Labour politician of conviction who had the courage to turn the centre of London around by introducing congestion charging.

Let’s consider why someone stands for office.

I would like to think this was because they want to do something positive for the people and the city they live in. In that case it should be plain that reducing traffic in the inner core of York is a positive move. We have a large pedestrianised central core, a move instituted by a previous Labour administration. There is a plaque to Coun Albert Cowen in St Helen’s Square to this effect. What would York been like today if he hadn’t the courage of his convictions?

I applaud the Labour group, especially Coun Dave Merrett, for leading the ‘experiment’, although I feel the closure should have become permanent.

As for Susie Cawood of the Chamber of Commerce talking about “idealistic transport strategies”, she sounds as if she is advocating the retrograde step of cars zooming everywhere at will.

As previously revealed by The Press, tourism brought £442.6 million into York’s coffers in 2008, most visitors welcome car-free shopping areas, and that includes Lendal Bridge that connects the railway station to the city centre.

Gordon Campbell-Thomas, Project advisor, John Lally International Foundation, Grosvenor Terrace, York.

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2:00pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Jonothon says...

Copy that Gordon.
The councillors caved in even before the analysis was complete. However it looks like enough is known to show that footfall in the city increased during the trial, air quality improved and tourism was up, and the gridlock never materialised. All the exact opposite of what the petrolheads predicted.
Nor will they be placated, the whingers I mean.. After month of moaning that the Council will not listen, will they now change their tune now that the bridge is fully reopened to traffic? Not a bit of it, they will turn their attention to the incoming 20mph restrictions, as if the Labour group initiated it, ignoring the fact that it is in response to government recommendations carefully collated traffic studies, and is happening everywhere, not just in York.
Copy that Gordon. The councillors caved in even before the analysis was complete. However it looks like enough is known to show that footfall in the city increased during the trial, air quality improved and tourism was up, and the gridlock never materialised. All the exact opposite of what the petrolheads predicted. Nor will they be placated, the whingers I mean.. After month of moaning that the Council will not listen, will they now change their tune now that the bridge is fully reopened to traffic? Not a bit of it, they will turn their attention to the incoming 20mph restrictions, as if the Labour group initiated it, ignoring the fact that it is in response to government recommendations carefully collated traffic studies, and is happening everywhere, not just in York. Jonothon
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4:02pm Tue 15 Apr 14

wallman says...

eyes shut? didn't you see leeman rd foss islands getting more traffic when the bridge was shut? oh no jonothon forgot you being a council worker got to toe the party line. what studies happened in York for 20 is plenty? don't say farndale st. or the other streets down there, it was impossible to do more than 10 mph down there before all the money was wasted
eyes shut? didn't you see leeman rd foss islands getting more traffic when the bridge was shut? oh no jonothon forgot you being a council worker got to toe the party line. what studies happened in York for 20 is plenty? don't say farndale st. or the other streets down there, it was impossible to do more than 10 mph down there before all the money was wasted wallman
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6:50pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Jonothon says...

wallman wrote:
eyes shut? didn't you see leeman rd foss islands getting more traffic when the bridge was shut? oh no jonothon forgot you being a council worker got to toe the party line. what studies happened in York for 20 is plenty? don't say farndale st. or the other streets down there, it was impossible to do more than 10 mph down there before all the money was wasted
hi Wallmamn, My reply is not for your benefit, but for the benefit of anyone who might believe you. Turns out your judgement of me is no better than your judgement of other things.

I am retired, having run a small family business most of my life. I have never worked for any local authority. Moreover I am strongly anti Labour, and I hope both Hugh Bayley and James Alexander are voted out of office at the earliest opportunity, preferably not by Tories. Them apart, there are some honest and capable people in the Labour group, but they never get my vote,
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: eyes shut? didn't you see leeman rd foss islands getting more traffic when the bridge was shut? oh no jonothon forgot you being a council worker got to toe the party line. what studies happened in York for 20 is plenty? don't say farndale st. or the other streets down there, it was impossible to do more than 10 mph down there before all the money was wasted[/p][/quote]hi Wallmamn, My reply is not for your benefit, but for the benefit of anyone who might believe you. Turns out your judgement of me is no better than your judgement of other things. I am retired, having run a small family business most of my life. I have never worked for any local authority. Moreover I am strongly anti Labour, and I hope both Hugh Bayley and James Alexander are voted out of office at the earliest opportunity, preferably not by Tories. Them apart, there are some honest and capable people in the Labour group, but they never get my vote, Jonothon
  • Score: 4

4:30am Wed 16 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

The difference between Ken Livingstone and Labour in York, is that Red Ken stood by his idea.

York council buckled under relentless pressure from an unbelieveably selfish and vociferously vocal minority group of motorists who didn't like the fact what they saw as "their" road had been closed off to them during the day in favour of *buses and cyclists* (heaven forbid)... these are the same group of people who, at a red traffic light, will drive forward and occupy the green cycle headstart box, or who will purposefully shft their car as far left as possible to prevent cyclists getting past in the cycle lane to get to the headstart box - or who will see a bus indicating to pull out from a bus stop and is already starting to move, but will then overtake the bus, possibly accompanied with a blast from the horn as if somehow the bus driver is wrong for being there.

I personally think York needs to have a 'congestion zone' for all streets within the "winter 2013/14" Inner Ring Road area, so would include Lendal bridge and the railway station areas... the congestion zone would not charge people for entering the zone, on the basis that if they were in the zone for less than 6 hours they must leave the city by the same road on which they entered, or face a £60 penalty.... if you live in Haxby and were dropping somebody off at the rail station, you'd be able to drive straight in via Gillygate and Lendal bridge, as long as you drove back out again over Lendal Bridge and Gillygate - but if you left the city via Leeman Road, Queen Street, or Tower Street, you'd get a fine. The 'congestion zone' would allow deliveries in and around the zone, and potentially also allow people who are carpooling but dropping a person off in the city centre before going elsewhere to be able to enter and leave by means of an annual permit at £20... but what the 'congestion zone' would not allow is *short-cutting* - people going along Tower Street, Nessgate, Ouse Bridge, Rougier Street, and the rail station so as to avoid the congestion of Skeldergate Bridge and Nunnery Lane - for example.
The difference between Ken Livingstone and Labour in York, is that Red Ken stood by his idea. York council buckled under relentless pressure from an unbelieveably selfish and vociferously vocal minority group of motorists who didn't like the fact what they saw as "their" road had been closed off to them during the day in favour of *buses and cyclists* (heaven forbid)... these are the same group of people who, at a red traffic light, will drive forward and occupy the green cycle headstart box, or who will purposefully shft their car as far left as possible to prevent cyclists getting past in the cycle lane to get to the headstart box - or who will see a bus indicating to pull out from a bus stop and is already starting to move, but will then overtake the bus, possibly accompanied with a blast from the horn as if somehow the bus driver is wrong for being there. I personally think York needs to have a 'congestion zone' for all streets within the "winter 2013/14" Inner Ring Road area, so would include Lendal bridge and the railway station areas... the congestion zone would not charge people for entering the zone, on the basis that if they were in the zone for less than 6 hours they must leave the city by the same road on which they entered, or face a £60 penalty.... if you live in Haxby and were dropping somebody off at the rail station, you'd be able to drive straight in via Gillygate and Lendal bridge, as long as you drove back out again over Lendal Bridge and Gillygate - but if you left the city via Leeman Road, Queen Street, or Tower Street, you'd get a fine. The 'congestion zone' would allow deliveries in and around the zone, and potentially also allow people who are carpooling but dropping a person off in the city centre before going elsewhere to be able to enter and leave by means of an annual permit at £20... but what the 'congestion zone' would not allow is *short-cutting* - people going along Tower Street, Nessgate, Ouse Bridge, Rougier Street, and the rail station so as to avoid the congestion of Skeldergate Bridge and Nunnery Lane - for example. Magicman!
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12:49pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Tiv says...

Magicman! wrote:
The difference between Ken Livingstone and Labour in York, is that Red Ken stood by his idea. York council buckled under relentless pressure from an unbelieveably selfish and vociferously vocal minority group of motorists who didn't like the fact what they saw as "their" road had been closed off to them during the day in favour of *buses and cyclists* (heaven forbid)... these are the same group of people who, at a red traffic light, will drive forward and occupy the green cycle headstart box, or who will purposefully shft their car as far left as possible to prevent cyclists getting past in the cycle lane to get to the headstart box - or who will see a bus indicating to pull out from a bus stop and is already starting to move, but will then overtake the bus, possibly accompanied with a blast from the horn as if somehow the bus driver is wrong for being there. I personally think York needs to have a 'congestion zone' for all streets within the "winter 2013/14" Inner Ring Road area, so would include Lendal bridge and the railway station areas... the congestion zone would not charge people for entering the zone, on the basis that if they were in the zone for less than 6 hours they must leave the city by the same road on which they entered, or face a £60 penalty.... if you live in Haxby and were dropping somebody off at the rail station, you'd be able to drive straight in via Gillygate and Lendal bridge, as long as you drove back out again over Lendal Bridge and Gillygate - but if you left the city via Leeman Road, Queen Street, or Tower Street, you'd get a fine. The 'congestion zone' would allow deliveries in and around the zone, and potentially also allow people who are carpooling but dropping a person off in the city centre before going elsewhere to be able to enter and leave by means of an annual permit at £20... but what the 'congestion zone' would not allow is *short-cutting* - people going along Tower Street, Nessgate, Ouse Bridge, Rougier Street, and the rail station so as to avoid the congestion of Skeldergate Bridge and Nunnery Lane - for example.
its called progress!
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: The difference between Ken Livingstone and Labour in York, is that Red Ken stood by his idea. York council buckled under relentless pressure from an unbelieveably selfish and vociferously vocal minority group of motorists who didn't like the fact what they saw as "their" road had been closed off to them during the day in favour of *buses and cyclists* (heaven forbid)... these are the same group of people who, at a red traffic light, will drive forward and occupy the green cycle headstart box, or who will purposefully shft their car as far left as possible to prevent cyclists getting past in the cycle lane to get to the headstart box - or who will see a bus indicating to pull out from a bus stop and is already starting to move, but will then overtake the bus, possibly accompanied with a blast from the horn as if somehow the bus driver is wrong for being there. I personally think York needs to have a 'congestion zone' for all streets within the "winter 2013/14" Inner Ring Road area, so would include Lendal bridge and the railway station areas... the congestion zone would not charge people for entering the zone, on the basis that if they were in the zone for less than 6 hours they must leave the city by the same road on which they entered, or face a £60 penalty.... if you live in Haxby and were dropping somebody off at the rail station, you'd be able to drive straight in via Gillygate and Lendal bridge, as long as you drove back out again over Lendal Bridge and Gillygate - but if you left the city via Leeman Road, Queen Street, or Tower Street, you'd get a fine. The 'congestion zone' would allow deliveries in and around the zone, and potentially also allow people who are carpooling but dropping a person off in the city centre before going elsewhere to be able to enter and leave by means of an annual permit at £20... but what the 'congestion zone' would not allow is *short-cutting* - people going along Tower Street, Nessgate, Ouse Bridge, Rougier Street, and the rail station so as to avoid the congestion of Skeldergate Bridge and Nunnery Lane - for example.[/p][/quote]its called progress! Tiv
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