Waste of paint

Waste of paint

Waste of paint

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 I WAS opposed to the closure of Lendal Bridge as I do not work in York and regularly needed to cross the bridge to get to the station during the hours of the restrictions.

The restrictions might have worked for folk who have time to use Park & Ride, work in York city centre or folk who have the luxury of working within cycling or walking distance. But for me and, I would suggest, for a great deal of other people, the closure caused a great inconvenience.

This all seems a typical waste of taxpayers’ money by City of York Council in the transport department.

Another waste of money is the painting of cycle lanes around Clifton Moor industrial estate, plus the creation of a cycle lane around York ring road (A1237) between Haxby and Clifton Moor.

I have yet to see one cyclist on the cycle lane around the ring road or on Clifton Moor trading estate.

Paul Anderson, Earswick Chase, Earswick, York.

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3:44pm Sat 12 Apr 14

yorkiemum says...

Yep totally agree. What a waste of money and now they have put a 2nd island at the entrance to Wigginton roundabout so now we have tailbacks to the Skoda garage. Well done CYC
Yep totally agree. What a waste of money and now they have put a 2nd island at the entrance to Wigginton roundabout so now we have tailbacks to the Skoda garage. Well done CYC yorkiemum
  • Score: 18

9:49am Sun 13 Apr 14

JYorks says...

The reason you don't see any cyclists on the A1237 cyclepath is that it isn't finished yet - until the bridge over the railway is built (later this year), the cyclepath is no help to cyclists, especially those going from Clifton Moor towards Haxby, as it doesn't yet go the full length of that stretch of road.
Once it is finished, I know I will be using it and I'm sure many others will too
The reason you don't see any cyclists on the A1237 cyclepath is that it isn't finished yet - until the bridge over the railway is built (later this year), the cyclepath is no help to cyclists, especially those going from Clifton Moor towards Haxby, as it doesn't yet go the full length of that stretch of road. Once it is finished, I know I will be using it and I'm sure many others will too JYorks
  • Score: -28

3:52pm Sun 13 Apr 14

yorkiemum says...

Well wouldnt it have been a more sensible idea to build the bridge first? Another cockeyed mess by CYC
Well wouldnt it have been a more sensible idea to build the bridge first? Another cockeyed mess by CYC yorkiemum
  • Score: 39

9:45am Mon 14 Apr 14

zorpie says...

More anti car nonsense from the our of touch York Labour Party.
More anti car nonsense from the our of touch York Labour Party. zorpie
  • Score: 7

12:17pm Mon 14 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

More nonsense from this contributor The cycle lane alonngside the A1237 has not yet been opened. It awaits a new bridge span accross the York-Scarborough railway line.
I'm sure that all of us are in favour of essential car use. It's those short distance local journeys that can so often be made by other means, and so contribute significantly to York's traffic management.
More nonsense from this contributor The cycle lane alonngside the A1237 has not yet been opened. It awaits a new bridge span accross the York-Scarborough railway line. I'm sure that all of us are in favour of essential car use. It's those short distance local journeys that can so often be made by other means, and so contribute significantly to York's traffic management. pedalling paul
  • Score: -5

12:46pm Mon 14 Apr 14

bolero says...

pedalling paul wrote:
More nonsense from this contributor The cycle lane alonngside the A1237 has not yet been opened. It awaits a new bridge span accross the York-Scarborough railway line.
I'm sure that all of us are in favour of essential car use. It's those short distance local journeys that can so often be made by other means, and so contribute significantly to York's traffic management.
The short distance local journeys do not necessarily cause or affect the cross town problems or congestion on the A1237. Can you say what you consider to be short distance local journeys (apart from school runs which we all know about) and how they affect the overall problem? And without once mentioning cycles.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: More nonsense from this contributor The cycle lane alonngside the A1237 has not yet been opened. It awaits a new bridge span accross the York-Scarborough railway line. I'm sure that all of us are in favour of essential car use. It's those short distance local journeys that can so often be made by other means, and so contribute significantly to York's traffic management.[/p][/quote]The short distance local journeys do not necessarily cause or affect the cross town problems or congestion on the A1237. Can you say what you consider to be short distance local journeys (apart from school runs which we all know about) and how they affect the overall problem? And without once mentioning cycles. bolero
  • Score: 5

1:32pm Mon 14 Apr 14

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

bolero wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
More nonsense from this contributor The cycle lane alonngside the A1237 has not yet been opened. It awaits a new bridge span accross the York-Scarborough railway line.
I'm sure that all of us are in favour of essential car use. It's those short distance local journeys that can so often be made by other means, and so contribute significantly to York's traffic management.
The short distance local journeys do not necessarily cause or affect the cross town problems or congestion on the A1237. Can you say what you consider to be short distance local journeys (apart from school runs which we all know about) and how they affect the overall problem? And without once mentioning cycles.
DING DONG............

Sorry for the delay but there will be a brief interruption in commenting while pedalingpaul finds something to copy and paste from.

Thank you for your cooperation.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: More nonsense from this contributor The cycle lane alonngside the A1237 has not yet been opened. It awaits a new bridge span accross the York-Scarborough railway line. I'm sure that all of us are in favour of essential car use. It's those short distance local journeys that can so often be made by other means, and so contribute significantly to York's traffic management.[/p][/quote]The short distance local journeys do not necessarily cause or affect the cross town problems or congestion on the A1237. Can you say what you consider to be short distance local journeys (apart from school runs which we all know about) and how they affect the overall problem? And without once mentioning cycles.[/p][/quote]DING DONG............ Sorry for the delay but there will be a brief interruption in commenting while pedalingpaul finds something to copy and paste from. Thank you for your cooperation. NoNewsIsGoodNews
  • Score: 5

1:36pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Stanley J Krammerhead III Jr says...

yorkiemum wrote:
Well wouldnt it have been a more sensible idea to build the bridge first? Another cockeyed mess by CYC
If they'd built the bridge first then it would lead directly to an untarmaced field and you'd be criticising them for building a bridge that led to nowhere.

I'm perfectly happy to criticise the council for the Lendal Bridge fiasco and the 20s Plenty farce but the fact of the matter is that the funding for this project was funded by central government and if York didn't get the money then another council would.
[quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: Well wouldnt it have been a more sensible idea to build the bridge first? Another cockeyed mess by CYC[/p][/quote]If they'd built the bridge first then it would lead directly to an untarmaced field and you'd be criticising them for building a bridge that led to nowhere. I'm perfectly happy to criticise the council for the Lendal Bridge fiasco and the 20s Plenty farce but the fact of the matter is that the funding for this project was funded by central government and if York didn't get the money then another council would. Stanley J Krammerhead III Jr
  • Score: 3

1:49pm Mon 14 Apr 14

MarkyMarkMark says...

"The restrictions might have worked for folk who have time to use Park & Ride, work in York city centre or folk who have the luxury of working within cycling or walking distance. "

Luxury? No, I chose to live where I live, based in part upon where I work and partly where I wanted my children to go to school. And I did so with full knowledge that cycling was the "best" form of transport for me, but would not always be convenient or pleasant.

There's not a lot of luxury on a pedal cycle, you know! They have a tendency towards the cold and wet, and hard work, especially compared with sitting in a car. But they're cheap, and usually quicker getting around the city (even if "that bridge" is open to motor cars again).

I agree whole-heartedly about the waste of paint - would have been so much more useful to actually re-surface some roads (get rid of pot-holes and broken iron-work, please!) and preferably, put in a proper segregated cycle lane which car and lorry drivers can't infringe on, instead of the half-baked idea painted on things that just please no-one.

Others have commented on the lack of use of the A1237 cycle route. But the "short distance local journeys" mentioned are between Haxy/Wigginton and Clifton Moor - going either way at peak hours on the A1237 it's notable that the traffic gets better once you're not between those roundabouts.
"The restrictions might have worked for folk who have time to use Park & Ride, work in York city centre or folk who have the luxury of working within cycling or walking distance. " Luxury? No, I chose to live where I live, based in part upon where I work and partly where I wanted my children to go to school. And I did so with full knowledge that cycling was the "best" form of transport for me, but would not always be convenient or pleasant. There's not a lot of luxury on a pedal cycle, you know! They have a tendency towards the cold and wet, and hard work, especially compared with sitting in a car. But they're cheap, and usually quicker getting around the city (even if "that bridge" is open to motor cars again). I agree whole-heartedly about the waste of paint - would have been so much more useful to actually re-surface some roads (get rid of pot-holes and broken iron-work, please!) and preferably, put in a proper segregated cycle lane which car and lorry drivers can't infringe on, instead of the half-baked idea painted on things that just please no-one. Others have commented on the lack of use of the A1237 cycle route. But the "short distance local journeys" mentioned are between Haxy/Wigginton and Clifton Moor - going either way at peak hours on the A1237 it's notable that the traffic gets better once you're not between those roundabouts. MarkyMarkMark
  • Score: 4

10:33pm Mon 14 Apr 14

YorkPaul says...

MarkyMarkMark wrote:
"The restrictions might have worked for folk who have time to use Park & Ride, work in York city centre or folk who have the luxury of working within cycling or walking distance. "

Luxury? No, I chose to live where I live, based in part upon where I work and partly where I wanted my children to go to school. And I did so with full knowledge that cycling was the "best" form of transport for me, but would not always be convenient or pleasant.

There's not a lot of luxury on a pedal cycle, you know! They have a tendency towards the cold and wet, and hard work, especially compared with sitting in a car. But they're cheap, and usually quicker getting around the city (even if "that bridge" is open to motor cars again).

I agree whole-heartedly about the waste of paint - would have been so much more useful to actually re-surface some roads (get rid of pot-holes and broken iron-work, please!) and preferably, put in a proper segregated cycle lane which car and lorry drivers can't infringe on, instead of the half-baked idea painted on things that just please no-one.

Others have commented on the lack of use of the A1237 cycle route. But the "short distance local journeys" mentioned are between Haxy/Wigginton and Clifton Moor - going either way at peak hours on the A1237 it's notable that the traffic gets better once you're not between those roundabouts.
Mark - your comments are completely out of context..
I used to work near where I lived and schooled my kids - and this decision was taken some time ago. Since then my kids have settled and have done well at the local schools, but unfortunately I now need to work outside of the York area and need regular access to the train station - these things happen in times of recession - people often change jobs. It would be wrong for me to move and have my children move schools also when I can commute - the bridge closure has impacted my ability to do this

P
[quote][p][bold]MarkyMarkMark[/bold] wrote: "The restrictions might have worked for folk who have time to use Park & Ride, work in York city centre or folk who have the luxury of working within cycling or walking distance. " Luxury? No, I chose to live where I live, based in part upon where I work and partly where I wanted my children to go to school. And I did so with full knowledge that cycling was the "best" form of transport for me, but would not always be convenient or pleasant. There's not a lot of luxury on a pedal cycle, you know! They have a tendency towards the cold and wet, and hard work, especially compared with sitting in a car. But they're cheap, and usually quicker getting around the city (even if "that bridge" is open to motor cars again). I agree whole-heartedly about the waste of paint - would have been so much more useful to actually re-surface some roads (get rid of pot-holes and broken iron-work, please!) and preferably, put in a proper segregated cycle lane which car and lorry drivers can't infringe on, instead of the half-baked idea painted on things that just please no-one. Others have commented on the lack of use of the A1237 cycle route. But the "short distance local journeys" mentioned are between Haxy/Wigginton and Clifton Moor - going either way at peak hours on the A1237 it's notable that the traffic gets better once you're not between those roundabouts.[/p][/quote]Mark - your comments are completely out of context.. I used to work near where I lived and schooled my kids - and this decision was taken some time ago. Since then my kids have settled and have done well at the local schools, but unfortunately I now need to work outside of the York area and need regular access to the train station - these things happen in times of recession - people often change jobs. It would be wrong for me to move and have my children move schools also when I can commute - the bridge closure has impacted my ability to do this P YorkPaul
  • Score: 3

1:58pm Tue 15 Apr 14

CaroleBaines says...

I use the rail station. I had to find ways round the bridge closure, but unlike the letter writer, I do not judge what is best for this city based purely on my own needs, nor mind having to adjust behaviours despite minor inconvenience. No wonder this country is in a state with such self-serving attitudes.
I use the rail station. I had to find ways round the bridge closure, but unlike the letter writer, I do not judge what is best for this city based purely on my own needs, nor mind having to adjust behaviours despite minor inconvenience. No wonder this country is in a state with such self-serving attitudes. CaroleBaines
  • Score: -1

2:04pm Tue 15 Apr 14

MarkyMarkMark says...

YorkPaul wrote:
MarkyMarkMark wrote:
"The restrictions might have worked for folk who have time to use Park & Ride, work in York city centre or folk who have the luxury of working within cycling or walking distance. "

Luxury? No, I chose to live where I live, based in part upon where I work and partly where I wanted my children to go to school. And I did so with full knowledge that cycling was the "best" form of transport for me, but would not always be convenient or pleasant.

There's not a lot of luxury on a pedal cycle, you know! They have a tendency towards the cold and wet, and hard work, especially compared with sitting in a car. But they're cheap, and usually quicker getting around the city (even if "that bridge" is open to motor cars again).

I agree whole-heartedly about the waste of paint - would have been so much more useful to actually re-surface some roads (get rid of pot-holes and broken iron-work, please!) and preferably, put in a proper segregated cycle lane which car and lorry drivers can't infringe on, instead of the half-baked idea painted on things that just please no-one.

Others have commented on the lack of use of the A1237 cycle route. But the "short distance local journeys" mentioned are between Haxy/Wigginton and Clifton Moor - going either way at peak hours on the A1237 it's notable that the traffic gets better once you're not between those roundabouts.
Mark - your comments are completely out of context..
I used to work near where I lived and schooled my kids - and this decision was taken some time ago. Since then my kids have settled and have done well at the local schools, but unfortunately I now need to work outside of the York area and need regular access to the train station - these things happen in times of recession - people often change jobs. It would be wrong for me to move and have my children move schools also when I can commute - the bridge closure has impacted my ability to do this

P
The bridge closure affected many peoples' ease of access, but it rarely affected their actual ability to commute.

If you live anywhere other than within the actual city walls, there are alternative routes to the station itself that make little difference to the distance travelled. I appreciate it may take a little longer.

If you live within a mile or so of the station, your probably within walking distance of the station, and it's usually quicker (bridge or no bridge) to do so by the time you've parked.

But at the end of the day, it's still a choice.
[quote][p][bold]YorkPaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkyMarkMark[/bold] wrote: "The restrictions might have worked for folk who have time to use Park & Ride, work in York city centre or folk who have the luxury of working within cycling or walking distance. " Luxury? No, I chose to live where I live, based in part upon where I work and partly where I wanted my children to go to school. And I did so with full knowledge that cycling was the "best" form of transport for me, but would not always be convenient or pleasant. There's not a lot of luxury on a pedal cycle, you know! They have a tendency towards the cold and wet, and hard work, especially compared with sitting in a car. But they're cheap, and usually quicker getting around the city (even if "that bridge" is open to motor cars again). I agree whole-heartedly about the waste of paint - would have been so much more useful to actually re-surface some roads (get rid of pot-holes and broken iron-work, please!) and preferably, put in a proper segregated cycle lane which car and lorry drivers can't infringe on, instead of the half-baked idea painted on things that just please no-one. Others have commented on the lack of use of the A1237 cycle route. But the "short distance local journeys" mentioned are between Haxy/Wigginton and Clifton Moor - going either way at peak hours on the A1237 it's notable that the traffic gets better once you're not between those roundabouts.[/p][/quote]Mark - your comments are completely out of context.. I used to work near where I lived and schooled my kids - and this decision was taken some time ago. Since then my kids have settled and have done well at the local schools, but unfortunately I now need to work outside of the York area and need regular access to the train station - these things happen in times of recession - people often change jobs. It would be wrong for me to move and have my children move schools also when I can commute - the bridge closure has impacted my ability to do this P[/p][/quote]The bridge closure affected many peoples' ease of access, but it rarely affected their actual ability to commute. If you live anywhere other than within the actual city walls, there are alternative routes to the station itself that make little difference to the distance travelled. I appreciate it may take a little longer. If you live within a mile or so of the station, your probably within walking distance of the station, and it's usually quicker (bridge or no bridge) to do so by the time you've parked. But at the end of the day, it's still a choice. MarkyMarkMark
  • Score: -2

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