Dangerous practice used by some door staff

York Press: Dangerous practice used by some door staff Dangerous practice used by some door staff

I WOULD like to bring to people’s attention what I consider to be a dangerous practice used by some door staff in York.

My daughter was visiting with a group of friends for a night out back in December. She fell asleep for a short while in a popular venue and was removed by a male member of the door staff.

She was taken on her own and removed through a back door into a back alley near the river. As it happens she was not drunk, just tired. She was alone in a strange city in a dark back alley.

I rang and asked to speak to the manager regarding this and I am still waiting for the promised return call from him. A member of staff did assure me that the door staff they employ have won awards, though did not specify in what capacity.

In light of the tragic recent events in the city concerning missing youngsters I am concerned that if this is normal practice among the door staff then it will only be a matter of time before there is another saddening statistic.

As the manager has never verified whether this is normal practice I remain concerned that other people’s safety is at risk and feel this practice should be addressed.

Name and address supplied.

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3:17pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Canadian Ham says...

Thankyou for telling us how your daughter is not fit to be out by her self. as you say she wasn't drunk she was simply tired so was hardly vulnerable to as you hinted drunkenly stagger into the river. i would also commentate your daughter on her choice of friends for abandoning her in a night club and letting her fall asleep in a public place with dark lighting where she could be robbed or worse. further to this you then turn your attack to the door staff saying there actions are not safe. So for thinking of her safety as in regards to the above mentioned and that she was sleeping, i.e. in an unfit state to be in a licensed venue, she was asked to leave. The door staff even escorted her out to make sure she was ok you state. But imagine there was a fire at the venue and your lonely daughter was left by her self, with her friends no where to be seen and the door staff hadn't thrown her out as seems to be the nature of your gripe. Theres becomes chance she wouldn't be able to get out. others her "caring considerate friends" would then be trying to find her amongst a blaze risking more life. staff would also be then trying to find them so all of a sudden your daughter could be costing the lives of the security team because she can't stay awake. worse she could also cause an obstruction depending on her location causing others to trip as they try to escape the hypothetical situation. this could cause people to fall and become injured just like that club in america that they show in fire safety training videos. this could cause more loss of life.
In short Maddame, i propose your a bit stuck up and your daughter was a tool. Your princesses pride got damaged having run screaming to mummy about what happened you wasted our time by writing a letter to the press explaining how selfish you are and accusing others of mal practice for what you state is a simply "tired" customer being asked to leave a late night venue for her safety and the potential safety of others. not to mention that she was unfit to be in there and legally you can't have people deemed unfit in a licensed premise. You then go on to use the horror of recent events to try and gain some scrap of moral high ground to support your claim. what a prude! rant over, check for spelling…… no your not even worth it
Thankyou for telling us how your daughter is not fit to be out by her self. as you say she wasn't drunk she was simply tired so was hardly vulnerable to as you hinted drunkenly stagger into the river. i would also commentate your daughter on her choice of friends for abandoning her in a night club and letting her fall asleep in a public place with dark lighting where she could be robbed or worse. further to this you then turn your attack to the door staff saying there actions are not safe. So for thinking of her safety as in regards to the above mentioned and that she was sleeping, i.e. in an unfit state to be in a licensed venue, she was asked to leave. The door staff even escorted her out to make sure she was ok you state. But imagine there was a fire at the venue and your lonely daughter was left by her self, with her friends no where to be seen and the door staff hadn't thrown her out as seems to be the nature of your gripe. Theres becomes chance she wouldn't be able to get out. others her "caring considerate friends" would then be trying to find her amongst a blaze risking more life. staff would also be then trying to find them so all of a sudden your daughter could be costing the lives of the security team because she can't stay awake. worse she could also cause an obstruction depending on her location causing others to trip as they try to escape the hypothetical situation. this could cause people to fall and become injured just like that club in america that they show in fire safety training videos. this could cause more loss of life. In short Maddame, i propose your a bit stuck up and your daughter was a tool. Your princesses pride got damaged having run screaming to mummy about what happened you wasted our time by writing a letter to the press explaining how selfish you are and accusing others of mal practice for what you state is a simply "tired" customer being asked to leave a late night venue for her safety and the potential safety of others. not to mention that she was unfit to be in there and legally you can't have people deemed unfit in a licensed premise. You then go on to use the horror of recent events to try and gain some scrap of moral high ground to support your claim. what a prude! rant over, check for spelling…… no your not even worth it Canadian Ham
  • Score: 55

3:21pm Fri 28 Mar 14

York_Jester says...

Yeah, she must have been so tired to fall asleep in a room filled with people talking/ shouting and loud music.

Don't be so niave. Your daughter was threw out because she passed when drunk
Yeah, she must have been so tired to fall asleep in a room filled with people talking/ shouting and loud music. Don't be so niave. Your daughter was threw out because she passed when drunk York_Jester
  • Score: 36

3:24pm Fri 28 Mar 14

sheps lad says...

Spelling 8 out of 10, punctuation 4 out of 10.
Spelling 8 out of 10, punctuation 4 out of 10. sheps lad
  • Score: 18

3:28pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Canadian Ham says...

yeah never been good with either ha ha
yeah never been good with either ha ha Canadian Ham
  • Score: 8

3:28pm Fri 28 Mar 14

jonbonce says...

Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley?
Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley? jonbonce
  • Score: -1

3:56pm Fri 28 Mar 14

sounds weird but says...

Canadian Ham wrote:
Thankyou for telling us how your daughter is not fit to be out by her self. as you say she wasn't drunk she was simply tired so was hardly vulnerable to as you hinted drunkenly stagger into the river. i would also commentate your daughter on her choice of friends for abandoning her in a night club and letting her fall asleep in a public place with dark lighting where she could be robbed or worse. further to this you then turn your attack to the door staff saying there actions are not safe. So for thinking of her safety as in regards to the above mentioned and that she was sleeping, i.e. in an unfit state to be in a licensed venue, she was asked to leave. The door staff even escorted her out to make sure she was ok you state. But imagine there was a fire at the venue and your lonely daughter was left by her self, with her friends no where to be seen and the door staff hadn't thrown her out as seems to be the nature of your gripe. Theres becomes chance she wouldn't be able to get out. others her "caring considerate friends" would then be trying to find her amongst a blaze risking more life. staff would also be then trying to find them so all of a sudden your daughter could be costing the lives of the security team because she can't stay awake. worse she could also cause an obstruction depending on her location causing others to trip as they try to escape the hypothetical situation. this could cause people to fall and become injured just like that club in america that they show in fire safety training videos. this could cause more loss of life. In short Maddame, i propose your a bit stuck up and your daughter was a tool. Your princesses pride got damaged having run screaming to mummy about what happened you wasted our time by writing a letter to the press explaining how selfish you are and accusing others of mal practice for what you state is a simply "tired" customer being asked to leave a late night venue for her safety and the potential safety of others. not to mention that she was unfit to be in there and legally you can't have people deemed unfit in a licensed premise. You then go on to use the horror of recent events to try and gain some scrap of moral high ground to support your claim. what a prude! rant over, check for spelling…… no your not even worth it
Yep agree with this. usually a one sided view from people with stuff like this!

Why didnt her friends take responsibility?
Why didnt she go to whever she was meant to be sleeping for the night?

cant just expect doorstaff to take all responsibilty!

If she was just asleep, surely she would of woken upon being removed??
[quote][p][bold]Canadian Ham[/bold] wrote: Thankyou for telling us how your daughter is not fit to be out by her self. as you say she wasn't drunk she was simply tired so was hardly vulnerable to as you hinted drunkenly stagger into the river. i would also commentate your daughter on her choice of friends for abandoning her in a night club and letting her fall asleep in a public place with dark lighting where she could be robbed or worse. further to this you then turn your attack to the door staff saying there actions are not safe. So for thinking of her safety as in regards to the above mentioned and that she was sleeping, i.e. in an unfit state to be in a licensed venue, she was asked to leave. The door staff even escorted her out to make sure she was ok you state. But imagine there was a fire at the venue and your lonely daughter was left by her self, with her friends no where to be seen and the door staff hadn't thrown her out as seems to be the nature of your gripe. Theres becomes chance she wouldn't be able to get out. others her "caring considerate friends" would then be trying to find her amongst a blaze risking more life. staff would also be then trying to find them so all of a sudden your daughter could be costing the lives of the security team because she can't stay awake. worse she could also cause an obstruction depending on her location causing others to trip as they try to escape the hypothetical situation. this could cause people to fall and become injured just like that club in america that they show in fire safety training videos. this could cause more loss of life. In short Maddame, i propose your a bit stuck up and your daughter was a tool. Your princesses pride got damaged having run screaming to mummy about what happened you wasted our time by writing a letter to the press explaining how selfish you are and accusing others of mal practice for what you state is a simply "tired" customer being asked to leave a late night venue for her safety and the potential safety of others. not to mention that she was unfit to be in there and legally you can't have people deemed unfit in a licensed premise. You then go on to use the horror of recent events to try and gain some scrap of moral high ground to support your claim. what a prude! rant over, check for spelling…… no your not even worth it[/p][/quote]Yep agree with this. usually a one sided view from people with stuff like this! Why didnt her friends take responsibility? Why didnt she go to whever she was meant to be sleeping for the night? cant just expect doorstaff to take all responsibilty! If she was just asleep, surely she would of woken upon being removed?? sounds weird but
  • Score: 26

4:17pm Fri 28 Mar 14

wallman says...

taken a long time to complain
taken a long time to complain wallman
  • Score: 14

4:21pm Fri 28 Mar 14

spottycow says...

Why should other people be held account for people who go out and for one reason or another get drunk or fall asleep .IM a taxi driver and i have been punched and hit by waking drunk or dozy passengers up at their destinations .now i will not take people like that home anymore .
Why should other people be held account for people who go out and for one reason or another get drunk or fall asleep .IM a taxi driver and i have been punched and hit by waking drunk or dozy passengers up at their destinations .now i will not take people like that home anymore . spottycow
  • Score: 20

6:55pm Fri 28 Mar 14

yorkandproud says...

Canadian Ham wrote:
Thankyou for telling us how your daughter is not fit to be out by her self. as you say she wasn't drunk she was simply tired so was hardly vulnerable to as you hinted drunkenly stagger into the river. i would also commentate your daughter on her choice of friends for abandoning her in a night club and letting her fall asleep in a public place with dark lighting where she could be robbed or worse. further to this you then turn your attack to the door staff saying there actions are not safe. So for thinking of her safety as in regards to the above mentioned and that she was sleeping, i.e. in an unfit state to be in a licensed venue, she was asked to leave. The door staff even escorted her out to make sure she was ok you state. But imagine there was a fire at the venue and your lonely daughter was left by her self, with her friends no where to be seen and the door staff hadn't thrown her out as seems to be the nature of your gripe. Theres becomes chance she wouldn't be able to get out. others her "caring considerate friends" would then be trying to find her amongst a blaze risking more life. staff would also be then trying to find them so all of a sudden your daughter could be costing the lives of the security team because she can't stay awake. worse she could also cause an obstruction depending on her location causing others to trip as they try to escape the hypothetical situation. this could cause people to fall and become injured just like that club in america that they show in fire safety training videos. this could cause more loss of life.
In short Maddame, i propose your a bit stuck up and your daughter was a tool. Your princesses pride got damaged having run screaming to mummy about what happened you wasted our time by writing a letter to the press explaining how selfish you are and accusing others of mal practice for what you state is a simply "tired" customer being asked to leave a late night venue for her safety and the potential safety of others. not to mention that she was unfit to be in there and legally you can't have people deemed unfit in a licensed premise. You then go on to use the horror of recent events to try and gain some scrap of moral high ground to support your claim. what a prude! rant over, check for spelling…… no your not even worth it
Thank you for telling us all how caring door staff are. Door staff my ar..e . They are called bouncers, and they are recognised by their huge biceps and shaven heads. The majority of them are on ego trips, and many are just bullies. I find it amazing that club and pub owners tolerate these characters who throw customers out at random, and even refuse to let them in.
[quote][p][bold]Canadian Ham[/bold] wrote: Thankyou for telling us how your daughter is not fit to be out by her self. as you say she wasn't drunk she was simply tired so was hardly vulnerable to as you hinted drunkenly stagger into the river. i would also commentate your daughter on her choice of friends for abandoning her in a night club and letting her fall asleep in a public place with dark lighting where she could be robbed or worse. further to this you then turn your attack to the door staff saying there actions are not safe. So for thinking of her safety as in regards to the above mentioned and that she was sleeping, i.e. in an unfit state to be in a licensed venue, she was asked to leave. The door staff even escorted her out to make sure she was ok you state. But imagine there was a fire at the venue and your lonely daughter was left by her self, with her friends no where to be seen and the door staff hadn't thrown her out as seems to be the nature of your gripe. Theres becomes chance she wouldn't be able to get out. others her "caring considerate friends" would then be trying to find her amongst a blaze risking more life. staff would also be then trying to find them so all of a sudden your daughter could be costing the lives of the security team because she can't stay awake. worse she could also cause an obstruction depending on her location causing others to trip as they try to escape the hypothetical situation. this could cause people to fall and become injured just like that club in america that they show in fire safety training videos. this could cause more loss of life. In short Maddame, i propose your a bit stuck up and your daughter was a tool. Your princesses pride got damaged having run screaming to mummy about what happened you wasted our time by writing a letter to the press explaining how selfish you are and accusing others of mal practice for what you state is a simply "tired" customer being asked to leave a late night venue for her safety and the potential safety of others. not to mention that she was unfit to be in there and legally you can't have people deemed unfit in a licensed premise. You then go on to use the horror of recent events to try and gain some scrap of moral high ground to support your claim. what a prude! rant over, check for spelling…… no your not even worth it[/p][/quote]Thank you for telling us all how caring door staff are. Door staff my ar..e . They are called bouncers, and they are recognised by their huge biceps and shaven heads. The majority of them are on ego trips, and many are just bullies. I find it amazing that club and pub owners tolerate these characters who throw customers out at random, and even refuse to let them in. yorkandproud
  • Score: -4

6:57pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

I have a foolproof strategy which avoids me having problems with door staff and also avoids me being assaulted, being robbed or having my drink spiked and falling asleep.
I don't go into bars or pubs which employ door staff, since I think those kind of places are where I might have problems with door staff ,be assaulted, robbed or have my drink spiked. As for the last one I don't go out if I am too tired and don't stay out till 03.00.
I have a foolproof strategy which avoids me having problems with door staff and also avoids me being assaulted, being robbed or having my drink spiked and falling asleep. I don't go into bars or pubs which employ door staff, since I think those kind of places are where I might have problems with door staff ,be assaulted, robbed or have my drink spiked. As for the last one I don't go out if I am too tired and don't stay out till 03.00. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 26

7:03pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Canadian Ham says...

jonbonce wrote:
Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley?
but she blames this on the door team and as in the heading, calls it Dangerous practice. i get that it could have been better to use the front door in order for staff to over see to make sure she is ok but without knowing which venue in york it is the argument is pathetic. it could for example be flares, there back door is onto a single garage road with a path and a lot of cctv and happens top be next to the river and there is a street marshal overseeing everyones safety, or it could be Yates's, again its back door leads to a pedestrian alley that is lit, has cctv, a door supervisor and you can get to the river. yet the alley is 5 m long and puts you onto parliament street and river access is physically blocked off, where you could use the front door with is even closer to the river. i don't under stand what could be gained by complaint that there is a geographical issue with a venue or access. if it was so dangerous, the council would not allow them to open. further to this usually security staff notify all other security the description of who they have thrown out and why. they work closely with the staff that monitor the cctv for the city as well as notify the street angel team who help vulnerable people get home give water etc, staff alert these teams especially if they are concerned about there welfare, it is in there interest to do this, they however wouldn't notify them if they were simply tired and felt they were capable to look after them selves because they were simply tired and not drunk as this lady pointed out
[quote][p][bold]jonbonce[/bold] wrote: Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley?[/p][/quote]but she blames this on the door team and as in the heading, calls it Dangerous practice. i get that it could have been better to use the front door in order for staff to over see to make sure she is ok but without knowing which venue in york it is the argument is pathetic. it could for example be flares, there back door is onto a single garage road with a path and a lot of cctv and happens top be next to the river and there is a street marshal overseeing everyones safety, or it could be Yates's, again its back door leads to a pedestrian alley that is lit, has cctv, a door supervisor and you can get to the river. yet the alley is 5 m long and puts you onto parliament street and river access is physically blocked off, where you could use the front door with is even closer to the river. i don't under stand what could be gained by complaint that there is a geographical issue with a venue or access. if it was so dangerous, the council would not allow them to open. further to this usually security staff notify all other security the description of who they have thrown out and why. they work closely with the staff that monitor the cctv for the city as well as notify the street angel team who help vulnerable people get home give water etc, staff alert these teams especially if they are concerned about there welfare, it is in there interest to do this, they however wouldn't notify them if they were simply tired and felt they were capable to look after them selves because they were simply tired and not drunk as this lady pointed out Canadian Ham
  • Score: 10

7:14pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Canadian Ham says...

yes door staff used to be called bouncers, and unregulated. now they are monitored and regulated by the SIA, the local council and the police. if they were to be as YORKANDPROUD says " and they are recognised by their huge biceps and shaven heads. The majority of them are on ego trips, and many are just bullies. I find it amazing that club and pub owners tolerate these characters who throw customers out at random, and even refuse to let them in"
they can be recognised by being inside looking for a drunk persons phone which they have misplaced, directing people to taxi ranks giving first aid. if you are a drunk that is up to no good yes id expect to not be let in. but if you come in a venue and assault someone then yes you would be thrown out or would people like to watch the door staff stand and film while a member of the public gets assaulted. of course they will be thrown out. i totally agree tho when i go for a tipple i like the quiet places. but door staff are a necessity for the immature population that simply goes out to get as drunk as possible, then become violent.
yes door staff used to be called bouncers, and unregulated. now they are monitored and regulated by the SIA, the local council and the police. if they were to be as YORKANDPROUD says " and they are recognised by their huge biceps and shaven heads. The majority of them are on ego trips, and many are just bullies. I find it amazing that club and pub owners tolerate these characters who throw customers out at random, and even refuse to let them in" they can be recognised by being inside looking for a drunk persons phone which they have misplaced, directing people to taxi ranks giving first aid. if you are a drunk that is up to no good yes id expect to not be let in. but if you come in a venue and assault someone then yes you would be thrown out or would people like to watch the door staff stand and film while a member of the public gets assaulted. of course they will be thrown out. i totally agree tho when i go for a tipple i like the quiet places. but door staff are a necessity for the immature population that simply goes out to get as drunk as possible, then become violent. Canadian Ham
  • Score: 15

8:21pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

jonbonce wrote:
Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley?
Got to agree there me old pal, but please stop calling me Shirley!
[quote][p][bold]jonbonce[/bold] wrote: Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley?[/p][/quote]Got to agree there me old pal, but please stop calling me Shirley! Igiveinthen
  • Score: 3

10:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Omega Point says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
jonbonce wrote:
Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley?
Got to agree there me old pal, but please stop calling me Shirley!
you beat me to it
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonbonce[/bold] wrote: Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley?[/p][/quote]Got to agree there me old pal, but please stop calling me Shirley![/p][/quote]you beat me to it Omega Point
  • Score: 5

10:47pm Fri 28 Mar 14

oi oi savaloy says...

its always someone else's fault nowadays int it??

my mate fell asleep in a night club in hull back in late 70's!

he'd had a few, we'd had a few, long day , etc etc coach was leaving back to york we all went back in to find him , there he was bless him asleep in the top room , we sorted it, we didn't abandon him ...

when are people gonna start being responsible for themselves and their mates?? no camaraderie nowadays ??
its always someone else's fault nowadays int it?? my mate fell asleep in a night club in hull back in late 70's! he'd had a few, we'd had a few, long day , etc etc coach was leaving back to york we all went back in to find him , there he was bless him asleep in the top room , we sorted it, we didn't abandon him ... when are people gonna start being responsible for themselves and their mates?? no camaraderie nowadays ?? oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 16

11:30pm Fri 28 Mar 14

wallman says...

why do young folks think they can gat legless then blame everybody else for their problems
why do young folks think they can gat legless then blame everybody else for their problems wallman
  • Score: 18

2:44am Sat 29 Mar 14

WishfulxThinker says...

So... what should they do?

Leave drunk people inside?
Escort them all home?
So... what should they do? Leave drunk people inside? Escort them all home? WishfulxThinker
  • Score: 9

6:02am Sat 29 Mar 14

ak7274 says...

Get an address and put them in a Taxi. The girl was stupid and her friends just as bad, but there is no excuse for dumping a vulnerable person outside in a dark and deserted area.
Remember there are always three truths in one story. Hers, the "Doormen" and the real truth. I suspect somewhere between the two happened.
To vilify either party isn't going to resolve the issue, it just puts people on the defensive.
Get an address and put them in a Taxi. The girl was stupid and her friends just as bad, but there is no excuse for dumping a vulnerable person outside in a dark and deserted area. Remember there are always three truths in one story. Hers, the "Doormen" and the real truth. I suspect somewhere between the two happened. To vilify either party isn't going to resolve the issue, it just puts people on the defensive. ak7274
  • Score: 0

9:12am Sat 29 Mar 14

HonestEric says...

Clearly Canadian Ham works the doors. He does have something of a point even if put across with the tact of an 8 year old. However if interviewing friends to weed out the bad ones and stopping the binge drinking culture overnight proves tricky maybe given recent events we should look at the little things we can do to reduce the risk of harm to those lacking self control. Door staff should look at ensuring people are escorted out the front to a well lit area. Covers them as well as improves safety for those that are drunk. Think some people forget that they have drank a bit too much before! How would they feel if that person was lost to the river or subject of some sort of sexual assault and they had been last to deal with them? Perhaps some learning from both sides.
Clearly Canadian Ham works the doors. He does have something of a point even if put across with the tact of an 8 year old. However if interviewing friends to weed out the bad ones and stopping the binge drinking culture overnight proves tricky maybe given recent events we should look at the little things we can do to reduce the risk of harm to those lacking self control. Door staff should look at ensuring people are escorted out the front to a well lit area. Covers them as well as improves safety for those that are drunk. Think some people forget that they have drank a bit too much before! How would they feel if that person was lost to the river or subject of some sort of sexual assault and they had been last to deal with them? Perhaps some learning from both sides. HonestEric
  • Score: 1

9:46am Sat 29 Mar 14

KateNelo says...

jonbonce wrote:
Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley?


I agree. Raising awareness is what this is about. This could happen to anyone. What if her drink had been spiked, she had been taken ill. But obviously people just like to be mean!
jonbonce wrote: Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley? I agree. Raising awareness is what this is about. This could happen to anyone. What if her drink had been spiked, she had been taken ill. But obviously people just like to be mean! KateNelo
  • Score: -5

12:23pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Thislittleold market town says...

Canadian Ham wrote:
yes door staff used to be called bouncers, and unregulated. now they are monitored and regulated by the SIA, the local council and the police. if they were to be as YORKANDPROUD says " and they are recognised by their huge biceps and shaven heads. The majority of them are on ego trips, and many are just bullies. I find it amazing that club and pub owners tolerate these characters who throw customers out at random, and even refuse to let them in"
they can be recognised by being inside looking for a drunk persons phone which they have misplaced, directing people to taxi ranks giving first aid. if you are a drunk that is up to no good yes id expect to not be let in. but if you come in a venue and assault someone then yes you would be thrown out or would people like to watch the door staff stand and film while a member of the public gets assaulted. of course they will be thrown out. i totally agree tho when i go for a tipple i like the quiet places. but door staff are a necessity for the immature population that simply goes out to get as drunk as possible, then become violent.
That's how they roll in poland
[quote][p][bold]Canadian Ham[/bold] wrote: yes door staff used to be called bouncers, and unregulated. now they are monitored and regulated by the SIA, the local council and the police. if they were to be as YORKANDPROUD says " and they are recognised by their huge biceps and shaven heads. The majority of them are on ego trips, and many are just bullies. I find it amazing that club and pub owners tolerate these characters who throw customers out at random, and even refuse to let them in" they can be recognised by being inside looking for a drunk persons phone which they have misplaced, directing people to taxi ranks giving first aid. if you are a drunk that is up to no good yes id expect to not be let in. but if you come in a venue and assault someone then yes you would be thrown out or would people like to watch the door staff stand and film while a member of the public gets assaulted. of course they will be thrown out. i totally agree tho when i go for a tipple i like the quiet places. but door staff are a necessity for the immature population that simply goes out to get as drunk as possible, then become violent.[/p][/quote]That's how they roll in poland Thislittleold market town
  • Score: -7

12:49pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

KateNelo wrote:
jonbonce wrote:
Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley?


I agree. Raising awareness is what this is about. This could happen to anyone. What if her drink had been spiked, she had been taken ill. But obviously people just like to be mean!
A few years ago Tony B.Liar had a great idea - allow Licensed Premises to open into the wee small hours if they wanted. This was so the UK could have a "café culture" or - to translate - "get as drunk as you can as long as you want".
Somebody within the government must have figured there was a price to pay for this in terms of alcohol related disorder or even death. However they clearly decided it was a price worth paying.
So in the case of the 2 deaths and sexual assaults near the river there was a common factor - 02.10 , 03.00, etc.
The obvious solution would be to restore closing time to 23.00 but they will never do that.
[quote][p][bold]KateNelo[/bold] wrote: jonbonce wrote: Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley? I agree. Raising awareness is what this is about. This could happen to anyone. What if her drink had been spiked, she had been taken ill. But obviously people just like to be mean![/p][/quote]A few years ago Tony B.Liar had a great idea - allow Licensed Premises to open into the wee small hours if they wanted. This was so the UK could have a "café culture" or - to translate - "get as drunk as you can as long as you want". Somebody within the government must have figured there was a price to pay for this in terms of alcohol related disorder or even death. However they clearly decided it was a price worth paying. So in the case of the 2 deaths and sexual assaults near the river there was a common factor - 02.10 , 03.00, etc. The obvious solution would be to restore closing time to 23.00 but they will never do that. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -1

1:30pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
KateNelo wrote:
jonbonce wrote:
Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley?


I agree. Raising awareness is what this is about. This could happen to anyone. What if her drink had been spiked, she had been taken ill. But obviously people just like to be mean!
A few years ago Tony B.Liar had a great idea - allow Licensed Premises to open into the wee small hours if they wanted. This was so the UK could have a "café culture" or - to translate - "get as drunk as you can as long as you want".
Somebody within the government must have figured there was a price to pay for this in terms of alcohol related disorder or even death. However they clearly decided it was a price worth paying.
So in the case of the 2 deaths and sexual assaults near the river there was a common factor - 02.10 , 03.00, etc.
The obvious solution would be to restore closing time to 23.00 but they will never do that.
I agree and have said this before, we Brits don't understand the cafe culture and never will, I work in holland (rotterdam) in the 70's, it was an eye opener, with bars open to all hours, guess who was drunk the most, yep it was Brits, the late licenciing has been the death of the town centres, most of them being no go areas now
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KateNelo[/bold] wrote: jonbonce wrote: Flipping eck people! This ladys concern seems to be the back door and the alley near the river, she's entitled to make the point without being abused surley? I agree. Raising awareness is what this is about. This could happen to anyone. What if her drink had been spiked, she had been taken ill. But obviously people just like to be mean![/p][/quote]A few years ago Tony B.Liar had a great idea - allow Licensed Premises to open into the wee small hours if they wanted. This was so the UK could have a "café culture" or - to translate - "get as drunk as you can as long as you want". Somebody within the government must have figured there was a price to pay for this in terms of alcohol related disorder or even death. However they clearly decided it was a price worth paying. So in the case of the 2 deaths and sexual assaults near the river there was a common factor - 02.10 , 03.00, etc. The obvious solution would be to restore closing time to 23.00 but they will never do that.[/p][/quote]I agree and have said this before, we Brits don't understand the cafe culture and never will, I work in holland (rotterdam) in the 70's, it was an eye opener, with bars open to all hours, guess who was drunk the most, yep it was Brits, the late licenciing has been the death of the town centres, most of them being no go areas now Igiveinthen
  • Score: 2

3:48pm Sun 30 Mar 14

jake777 says...

Canadian Ham wrote:
Thankyou for telling us how your daughter is not fit to be out by her self. as you say she wasn't drunk she was simply tired so was hardly vulnerable to as you hinted drunkenly stagger into the river. i would also commentate your daughter on her choice of friends for abandoning her in a night club and letting her fall asleep in a public place with dark lighting where she could be robbed or worse. further to this you then turn your attack to the door staff saying there actions are not safe. So for thinking of her safety as in regards to the above mentioned and that she was sleeping, i.e. in an unfit state to be in a licensed venue, she was asked to leave. The door staff even escorted her out to make sure she was ok you state. But imagine there was a fire at the venue and your lonely daughter was left by her self, with her friends no where to be seen and the door staff hadn't thrown her out as seems to be the nature of your gripe. Theres becomes chance she wouldn't be able to get out. others her "caring considerate friends" would then be trying to find her amongst a blaze risking more life. staff would also be then trying to find them so all of a sudden your daughter could be costing the lives of the security team because she can't stay awake. worse she could also cause an obstruction depending on her location causing others to trip as they try to escape the hypothetical situation. this could cause people to fall and become injured just like that club in america that they show in fire safety training videos. this could cause more loss of life.
In short Maddame, i propose your a bit stuck up and your daughter was a tool. Your princesses pride got damaged having run screaming to mummy about what happened you wasted our time by writing a letter to the press explaining how selfish you are and accusing others of mal practice for what you state is a simply "tired" customer being asked to leave a late night venue for her safety and the potential safety of others. not to mention that she was unfit to be in there and legally you can't have people deemed unfit in a licensed premise. You then go on to use the horror of recent events to try and gain some scrap of moral high ground to support your claim. what a prude! rant over, check for spelling…… no your not even worth it
The point you are missing here is the fact that this girl was thrown out into a dark back ally. surely it is more sensible to throw them out at the front of the premises, where at least she would be seen by others. I could just see how this would read if it had been your daughter who had been thrown into the dark ally and robbed or even worse raped.
[quote][p][bold]Canadian Ham[/bold] wrote: Thankyou for telling us how your daughter is not fit to be out by her self. as you say she wasn't drunk she was simply tired so was hardly vulnerable to as you hinted drunkenly stagger into the river. i would also commentate your daughter on her choice of friends for abandoning her in a night club and letting her fall asleep in a public place with dark lighting where she could be robbed or worse. further to this you then turn your attack to the door staff saying there actions are not safe. So for thinking of her safety as in regards to the above mentioned and that she was sleeping, i.e. in an unfit state to be in a licensed venue, she was asked to leave. The door staff even escorted her out to make sure she was ok you state. But imagine there was a fire at the venue and your lonely daughter was left by her self, with her friends no where to be seen and the door staff hadn't thrown her out as seems to be the nature of your gripe. Theres becomes chance she wouldn't be able to get out. others her "caring considerate friends" would then be trying to find her amongst a blaze risking more life. staff would also be then trying to find them so all of a sudden your daughter could be costing the lives of the security team because she can't stay awake. worse she could also cause an obstruction depending on her location causing others to trip as they try to escape the hypothetical situation. this could cause people to fall and become injured just like that club in america that they show in fire safety training videos. this could cause more loss of life. In short Maddame, i propose your a bit stuck up and your daughter was a tool. Your princesses pride got damaged having run screaming to mummy about what happened you wasted our time by writing a letter to the press explaining how selfish you are and accusing others of mal practice for what you state is a simply "tired" customer being asked to leave a late night venue for her safety and the potential safety of others. not to mention that she was unfit to be in there and legally you can't have people deemed unfit in a licensed premise. You then go on to use the horror of recent events to try and gain some scrap of moral high ground to support your claim. what a prude! rant over, check for spelling…… no your not even worth it[/p][/quote]The point you are missing here is the fact that this girl was thrown out into a dark back ally. surely it is more sensible to throw them out at the front of the premises, where at least she would be seen by others. I could just see how this would read if it had been your daughter who had been thrown into the dark ally and robbed or even worse raped. jake777
  • Score: -9

6:02pm Sun 30 Mar 14

againstthecuts says...

The doormen could have least tried to contact her friends.
The doormen could have least tried to contact her friends. againstthecuts
  • Score: 2

8:55pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Maquis says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
I have a foolproof strategy which avoids me having problems with door staff and also avoids me being assaulted, being robbed or having my drink spiked and falling asleep.
I don't go into bars or pubs which employ door staff, since I think those kind of places are where I might have problems with door staff ,be assaulted, robbed or have my drink spiked. As for the last one I don't go out if I am too tired and don't stay out till 03.00.
These days the police insist on doormen on most city centre pubs / bars regardless as to wether they are needed, so you may be missing out on good venues simply due to an outdated prejudice.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: I have a foolproof strategy which avoids me having problems with door staff and also avoids me being assaulted, being robbed or having my drink spiked and falling asleep. I don't go into bars or pubs which employ door staff, since I think those kind of places are where I might have problems with door staff ,be assaulted, robbed or have my drink spiked. As for the last one I don't go out if I am too tired and don't stay out till 03.00.[/p][/quote]These days the police insist on doormen on most city centre pubs / bars regardless as to wether they are needed, so you may be missing out on good venues simply due to an outdated prejudice. Maquis
  • Score: 1

12:16am Mon 31 Mar 14

llm501 says...

Some venues only use back exits if the customer in question is causing problems yelling, becoming aggressive, refusing to leave etc.

It is very difficult to just 'fall asleep' in a loud and crowded bar.

Very few people who are made to leave venues think they did anything wrong. It is usually 'all the staff's fault'.

Few sia doorstaff would not allow a young woman on her own to contact her friends, collect her belongings, get directions to a taxi rank/ give a local firm's number etc.

Depending on the venue all entrances could be on the river, access blocked, supervised/ CCTV in place etc.

Doorstaff will always get a bad rep as they have to 'be the bad guys' and stop your fun/ drinking/ antics for yours and other's safety. No one likes to be kicked out but it is almost exclusively for your own good.
Some venues only use back exits if the customer in question is causing problems yelling, becoming aggressive, refusing to leave etc. It is very difficult to just 'fall asleep' in a loud and crowded bar. Very few people who are made to leave venues think they did anything wrong. It is usually 'all the staff's fault'. Few sia doorstaff would not allow a young woman on her own to contact her friends, collect her belongings, get directions to a taxi rank/ give a local firm's number etc. Depending on the venue all entrances could be on the river, access blocked, supervised/ CCTV in place etc. Doorstaff will always get a bad rep as they have to 'be the bad guys' and stop your fun/ drinking/ antics for yours and other's safety. No one likes to be kicked out but it is almost exclusively for your own good. llm501
  • Score: 3

1:22pm Mon 31 Mar 14

molemolemole says...

You have clearly failed as a parent as your daughter's clearly a stupid idiot. and as are you for believing her lies. I work with drunk people. Drunk people are **** stupid, I don't know what it is about alcohol that makes the brain regress into a child like state, but it happens to most of you. Your daughter clearly fits the bill of being a class one dick, "what did I do" she properly
screamed whilst getting fingered against the fire door. Or asleep with her head in the toilet. We deal with these drainers day in day out. So get your daughter some better friends, but seeing as most people dont leave there mates, she must be an repeat offender of being a dick.
You have clearly failed as a parent as your daughter's clearly a stupid idiot. and as are you for believing her lies. I work with drunk people. Drunk people are **** stupid, I don't know what it is about alcohol that makes the brain regress into a child like state, but it happens to most of you. Your daughter clearly fits the bill of being a class one dick, "what did I do" she properly screamed whilst getting fingered against the fire door. Or asleep with her head in the toilet. We deal with these drainers day in day out. So get your daughter some better friends, but seeing as most people dont leave there mates, she must be an repeat offender of being a dick. molemolemole
  • Score: 1

7:31pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Maquis wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
I have a foolproof strategy which avoids me having problems with door staff and also avoids me being assaulted, being robbed or having my drink spiked and falling asleep.
I don't go into bars or pubs which employ door staff, since I think those kind of places are where I might have problems with door staff ,be assaulted, robbed or have my drink spiked. As for the last one I don't go out if I am too tired and don't stay out till 03.00.
These days the police insist on doormen on most city centre pubs / bars regardless as to wether they are needed, so you may be missing out on good venues simply due to an outdated prejudice.
The Burns Hotel (formerly the Hansom Cab) the Three Cranes and The Roman Baths to name just 3 are city centre pubs who don't employ bouncers and I have never seen any trouble in any of them - nor do I ever see them mentioned in the paper in connection with any disturbance or fatality.
You need to think your arguments through.
[quote][p][bold]Maquis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: I have a foolproof strategy which avoids me having problems with door staff and also avoids me being assaulted, being robbed or having my drink spiked and falling asleep. I don't go into bars or pubs which employ door staff, since I think those kind of places are where I might have problems with door staff ,be assaulted, robbed or have my drink spiked. As for the last one I don't go out if I am too tired and don't stay out till 03.00.[/p][/quote]These days the police insist on doormen on most city centre pubs / bars regardless as to wether they are needed, so you may be missing out on good venues simply due to an outdated prejudice.[/p][/quote]The Burns Hotel (formerly the Hansom Cab) the Three Cranes and The Roman Baths to name just 3 are city centre pubs who don't employ bouncers and I have never seen any trouble in any of them - nor do I ever see them mentioned in the paper in connection with any disturbance or fatality. You need to think your arguments through. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 1

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