Leave cars alone

Leave cars alone

Leave cars alone

First published in Letters by

PAUL HEPWORTH seems to think motorists are out to deliberately harm pedestrians. This is not the case as motorists are required to have insurance by law (Letters, March 20).

The main worry for pedestrians comes not from cars but from a large amount of cyclists who think the rules of the road do not apply to them.

Maybe he should read Mr Moore’s letter in the same edition, which explains this. It is about time the anti-car brigade stopped making motorists scapegoats when they don’t know the back end of a car from the front.

Perhaps their anti-car stance is jealousy because they don’t own a car so why should anyone else.

Ian Foster, Hawthorne Avenue, Haxby, York

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11:58am Fri 21 Mar 14

Hand and Hyle says...

Hmm. Between 2008-2012, 1,361 pedestrians were killed by motorists, and a further 21,005 were seriously injured by motorists. Compared to 9 pedestrians killed by cyclists over the same period, and 66 seriously injured. (https://www.gov.uk/
government/publicati
ons/reported-road-ca
sualties-great-brita
in-annual-report-201
2)

And it's cyclists that pedestrians should be worried about?

Perhaps if motorists had no recourse to insurance and had to pay full compensation out of pocket, they'd be more careful when driving,,,
Hmm. Between 2008-2012, 1,361 pedestrians were killed by motorists, and a further 21,005 were seriously injured by motorists. Compared to 9 pedestrians killed by cyclists over the same period, and 66 seriously injured. (https://www.gov.uk/ government/publicati ons/reported-road-ca sualties-great-brita in-annual-report-201 2) And it's cyclists that pedestrians should be worried about? Perhaps if motorists had no recourse to insurance and had to pay full compensation out of pocket, they'd be more careful when driving,,, Hand and Hyle
  • Score: 30

12:17pm Fri 21 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

A strange assumption by the writer that everyone that he sees riding a bike does not own a car. ........I reckon that if all the suburban car owners who currently choose to cycle the short distance into York, were to revert to their cars, we'd soon know about it.
A strange assumption by the writer that everyone that he sees riding a bike does not own a car. ........I reckon that if all the suburban car owners who currently choose to cycle the short distance into York, were to revert to their cars, we'd soon know about it. pedalling paul
  • Score: 30

12:21pm Fri 21 Mar 14

MadHaxMan says...

And I thought I was the Mad Hax Man, Mr Foster.
I read this letter just half an hour after almost being run over on a pedestrian crossing IN HAXBY, by a motorist who obviously had her mind on other more important matters than safe driving.
Truth is there are thoughtless, arrogant, impatient, aggressive, careless fools in all categories of road user. I drive my car when I need to, but prefer from choice to walk or use my bike or the buses. However I have now given up any attempt to use the bike on any of the main roads around York, as I no longer consider it a safe mode of transport. For example, there has been much negative comment by posters deriding the new, admittedly very expensive cycle track running alongside the ring-road from close to the Haxby roundabout along to Clifton Moor, to the effect that no cyclists ever seem to use it. I would like to use it but consider it near suicidal to attempt to turn right on to the ring road at Haxby roundabout and then cycle up and over the railway bridge in a narrow single carriageway with vehicles up my backside all the way until the cycle track starts in some 300m. £950,000 largely wasted I fear.
And I thought I was the Mad Hax Man, Mr Foster. I read this letter just half an hour after almost being run over on a pedestrian crossing IN HAXBY, by a motorist who obviously had her mind on other more important matters than safe driving. Truth is there are thoughtless, arrogant, impatient, aggressive, careless fools in all categories of road user. I drive my car when I need to, but prefer from choice to walk or use my bike or the buses. However I have now given up any attempt to use the bike on any of the main roads around York, as I no longer consider it a safe mode of transport. For example, there has been much negative comment by posters deriding the new, admittedly very expensive cycle track running alongside the ring-road from close to the Haxby roundabout along to Clifton Moor, to the effect that no cyclists ever seem to use it. I would like to use it but consider it near suicidal to attempt to turn right on to the ring road at Haxby roundabout and then cycle up and over the railway bridge in a narrow single carriageway with vehicles up my backside all the way until the cycle track starts in some 300m. £950,000 largely wasted I fear. MadHaxMan
  • Score: -27

1:02pm Fri 21 Mar 14

far2bizzy says...

pedalling paul wrote:
A strange assumption by the writer that everyone that he sees riding a bike does not own a car. ........I reckon that if all the suburban car owners who currently choose to cycle the short distance into York, were to revert to their cars, we'd soon know about it.
Hey Paul are you not well? Why did your last sentence not end “ . . . . we’d soon be experiencing Gridlock” ?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: A strange assumption by the writer that everyone that he sees riding a bike does not own a car. ........I reckon that if all the suburban car owners who currently choose to cycle the short distance into York, were to revert to their cars, we'd soon know about it.[/p][/quote]Hey Paul are you not well? Why did your last sentence not end “ . . . . we’d soon be experiencing Gridlock” ? far2bizzy
  • Score: -27

1:13pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Yorkshine1 says...

most errant cyclists are toe rags who I have to say are far safer on a bike than they ever would be if they ever got near a car or a motorbike.

unfortunately bikes are the cheapest and easiest travel option, and as such are accessible to a wider range of folk, some of whom will be a danger no matter how they get about.

A toe rag isn't a cyclist, he's a toe rag who just happens to be on a bike.
most errant cyclists are toe rags who I have to say are far safer on a bike than they ever would be if they ever got near a car or a motorbike. unfortunately bikes are the cheapest and easiest travel option, and as such are accessible to a wider range of folk, some of whom will be a danger no matter how they get about. A toe rag isn't a cyclist, he's a toe rag who just happens to be on a bike. Yorkshine1
  • Score: 42

4:53pm Fri 21 Mar 14

tiger4 says...

Hand and Hyle wrote:
Hmm. Between 2008-2012, 1,361 pedestrians were killed by motorists, and a further 21,005 were seriously injured by motorists. Compared to 9 pedestrians killed by cyclists over the same period, and 66 seriously injured. (https://www.gov.uk/

government/publicati

ons/reported-road-ca

sualties-great-brita

in-annual-report-201

2)

And it's cyclists that pedestrians should be worried about?

Perhaps if motorists had no recourse to insurance and had to pay full compensation out of pocket, they'd be more careful when driving,,,
What a ridiculous statement, I would imagine the vast majority of the 1361 deaths and 21005 injuries were self inflicted by pedestrians walking into the path of vehicles, not by vehicles mounting the kerb and hitting pedestrians.
[quote][p][bold]Hand and Hyle[/bold] wrote: Hmm. Between 2008-2012, 1,361 pedestrians were killed by motorists, and a further 21,005 were seriously injured by motorists. Compared to 9 pedestrians killed by cyclists over the same period, and 66 seriously injured. (https://www.gov.uk/ government/publicati ons/reported-road-ca sualties-great-brita in-annual-report-201 2) And it's cyclists that pedestrians should be worried about? Perhaps if motorists had no recourse to insurance and had to pay full compensation out of pocket, they'd be more careful when driving,,,[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous statement, I would imagine the vast majority of the 1361 deaths and 21005 injuries were self inflicted by pedestrians walking into the path of vehicles, not by vehicles mounting the kerb and hitting pedestrians. tiger4
  • Score: -35

6:29pm Fri 21 Mar 14

last of the mandms says...

tiger4 wrote:
Hand and Hyle wrote:
Hmm. Between 2008-2012, 1,361 pedestrians were killed by motorists, and a further 21,005 were seriously injured by motorists. Compared to 9 pedestrians killed by cyclists over the same period, and 66 seriously injured. (https://www.gov.uk/


government/publicati


ons/reported-road-ca


sualties-great-brita


in-annual-report-201


2)

And it's cyclists that pedestrians should be worried about?

Perhaps if motorists had no recourse to insurance and had to pay full compensation out of pocket, they'd be more careful when driving,,,
What a ridiculous statement, I would imagine the vast majority of the 1361 deaths and 21005 injuries were self inflicted by pedestrians walking into the path of vehicles, not by vehicles mounting the kerb and hitting pedestrians.
And the crucial phrase here is "I should imagine"
[quote][p][bold]tiger4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hand and Hyle[/bold] wrote: Hmm. Between 2008-2012, 1,361 pedestrians were killed by motorists, and a further 21,005 were seriously injured by motorists. Compared to 9 pedestrians killed by cyclists over the same period, and 66 seriously injured. (https://www.gov.uk/ government/publicati ons/reported-road-ca sualties-great-brita in-annual-report-201 2) And it's cyclists that pedestrians should be worried about? Perhaps if motorists had no recourse to insurance and had to pay full compensation out of pocket, they'd be more careful when driving,,,[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous statement, I would imagine the vast majority of the 1361 deaths and 21005 injuries were self inflicted by pedestrians walking into the path of vehicles, not by vehicles mounting the kerb and hitting pedestrians.[/p][/quote]And the crucial phrase here is "I should imagine" last of the mandms
  • Score: 10

8:22pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

PAUL HEPWORTH seems to think motorists are out to deliberately harm pedestrians. This is not the case as motorists are required to have insurance by law

What does the legal requirement for insurance have to do with driver intent?

The main worry for pedestrians comes not from cars but from a large amount of cyclists who think the rules of the road do not apply to them.

Completely false. Any number of google results and FOIs and general hanging out with traffic cops says otherwise.
Anopther commentator has offered some figures.
How can we trust what else you have to say, when you offer bad opinion as fact Mr Foster?

It is about time the anti-car brigade stopped making motorists scapegoats when they don’t know the back end of a car from the front.

Perhaps their anti-car stance is jealousy because they don’t own a car so why should anyone else.

There are millions of bikes and millions of cars in the country. What makes you think people with bikes don't have cars and people with cars don't have bikes?
Your prejudiced, dichotomous thinking makes you a candidate for the most dangerous on the road - someone with an agenda, someone with a hate figure that they hold a grudge against. Eventually that grudge could be enacted. Someone's son or daughter could be killed or injured.

You need a re-test ASAP.

Thank you for your public declaration. Please could you offer your registration number next time and we'll all be able to spot the danger you present when we are driving or riding. Thanks.
[quote]PAUL HEPWORTH seems to think motorists are out to deliberately harm pedestrians. This is not the case as motorists are required to have insurance by law[/quote] What does the legal requirement for insurance have to do with driver intent? [quote]The main worry for pedestrians comes not from cars but from a large amount of cyclists who think the rules of the road do not apply to them.[/quote] Completely false. Any number of google results and FOIs and general hanging out with traffic cops says otherwise. Anopther commentator has offered some figures. How can we trust what else you have to say, when you offer bad opinion as fact Mr Foster? [quote]It is about time the anti-car brigade stopped making motorists scapegoats when they don’t know the back end of a car from the front. Perhaps their anti-car stance is jealousy because they don’t own a car so why should anyone else.[/quote] There are millions of bikes and millions of cars in the country. What makes you think people with bikes don't have cars and people with cars don't have bikes? Your prejudiced, dichotomous thinking makes you a candidate for the most dangerous on the road - someone with an agenda, someone with a hate figure that they hold a grudge against. Eventually that grudge could be enacted. Someone's son or daughter could be killed or injured. You need a re-test ASAP. Thank you for your public declaration. Please could you offer your registration number next time and we'll all be able to spot the danger you present when we are driving or riding. Thanks. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -3

4:51am Sat 22 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

For God's sake, this letter is even worse than those of Paul Hepworth... and that takes some doing!!

it's full of tired old cliché's that make this letter completely lack any merit.

It is letters like this that show up how York will NEVER be a proper 'cycling city', as a Cycling City is not achieved by merely putting lines on some tarmac, it is about making it safe for cycling by educating people - and with such narrow minded individuals behind the wheel of a car then a cyclist will never truly be safe.
For God's sake, this letter is even worse than those of Paul Hepworth... and that takes some doing!! it's full of tired old cliché's that make this letter completely lack any merit. It is letters like this that show up how York will NEVER be a proper 'cycling city', as a Cycling City is not achieved by merely putting lines on some tarmac, it is about making it safe for cycling by educating people - and with such narrow minded individuals behind the wheel of a car then a cyclist will never truly be safe. Magicman!
  • Score: 56

4:53am Sat 22 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

tiger4 wrote:
Hand and Hyle wrote:
Hmm. Between 2008-2012, 1,361 pedestrians were killed by motorists, and a further 21,005 were seriously injured by motorists. Compared to 9 pedestrians killed by cyclists over the same period, and 66 seriously injured. (https://www.gov.uk/


government/publicati


ons/reported-road-ca


sualties-great-brita


in-annual-report-201


2)

And it's cyclists that pedestrians should be worried about?

Perhaps if motorists had no recourse to insurance and had to pay full compensation out of pocket, they'd be more careful when driving,,,
What a ridiculous statement, I would imagine the vast majority of the 1361 deaths and 21005 injuries were self inflicted by pedestrians walking into the path of vehicles, not by vehicles mounting the kerb and hitting pedestrians.
I know your type... on the insurance form after a collision with another vehicle, you'd be the sort to write "I was turning out of a side road, the car on the main road saw me turning but for some reason didn't stop to let me finish turning out into his path"....

let's not forget there is a monumental number of motor vehicles on the road which themselves are either not insured or the driver is not insured to drive it, the driver might even even be licensed or the vehicle may not have a valid MOT.
[quote][p][bold]tiger4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hand and Hyle[/bold] wrote: Hmm. Between 2008-2012, 1,361 pedestrians were killed by motorists, and a further 21,005 were seriously injured by motorists. Compared to 9 pedestrians killed by cyclists over the same period, and 66 seriously injured. (https://www.gov.uk/ government/publicati ons/reported-road-ca sualties-great-brita in-annual-report-201 2) And it's cyclists that pedestrians should be worried about? Perhaps if motorists had no recourse to insurance and had to pay full compensation out of pocket, they'd be more careful when driving,,,[/p][/quote]What a ridiculous statement, I would imagine the vast majority of the 1361 deaths and 21005 injuries were self inflicted by pedestrians walking into the path of vehicles, not by vehicles mounting the kerb and hitting pedestrians.[/p][/quote]I know your type... on the insurance form after a collision with another vehicle, you'd be the sort to write "I was turning out of a side road, the car on the main road saw me turning but for some reason didn't stop to let me finish turning out into his path".... let's not forget there is a monumental number of motor vehicles on the road which themselves are either not insured or the driver is not insured to drive it, the driver might even even be licensed or the vehicle may not have a valid MOT. Magicman!
  • Score: 44

10:22am Sat 22 Mar 14

old_geezer says...

I'm a keen cyclist. However - prepare yourself, Mr Foster - I also have a car, and have been driving for well over 40 years. But then again, when on either of my two bikes I keep to the rules (red lights etc). So where do I fit into your scheme of things?
I'm a keen cyclist. However - prepare yourself, Mr Foster - I also have a car, and have been driving for well over 40 years. But then again, when on either of my two bikes I keep to the rules (red lights etc). So where do I fit into your scheme of things? old_geezer
  • Score: 26

1:14pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Lunatic says...

I must admit, as a pedestrian and a cyclist, I've never been hit by a car. As a motorist, I've never hit a cyclist or a pedestrian. And though as a pedestrian I have been hit more than once by a cyclist, never has it wrought me any injury I would consider noteworthy.

The only way the roads are going to get better is if the attitude is one of inclusion rather than segregation. We're all road users. We should all look out for one-another.
I must admit, as a pedestrian and a cyclist, I've never been hit by a car. As a motorist, I've never hit a cyclist or a pedestrian. And though as a pedestrian I have been hit more than once by a cyclist, never has it wrought me any injury I would consider noteworthy. The only way the roads are going to get better is if the attitude is one of inclusion rather than segregation. We're all road users. We should all look out for one-another. Lunatic
  • Score: 0

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