No more pubs

No more pubs

No more pubs

First published in Letters by

I TOTALLY agree with the police on banning any more new pubs in York city centre (The Press, March 11).

York seems to be full of drinking and eating places, which are said to cause antisocial behaviour and other crimes, as suggested by another story in the same edition concerning an assault in North Street.

I believe the police and not the council should say if public houses can open or have a licence to open. The law needs changing so the Government gives police the power to give or refuse licence.

If the police had this power, we would know it’s done on a no-profit way, unlike with the council which will get licence money and business rates, and is therefore more likely to give a licence even if there are objections.

After all the police have to deal with the aftermath of drinkers. They should have a much stronger say in how things are run.

Wojciech Simpson, Chestnut Grove, New Earswick, York.

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2:11pm Mon 17 Mar 14

MarkyMarkMark says...

Up front, I must say like a drink. Or two or three.

I think the problem is not the number of pubs and other licensed premises. It's to do with people who drink irresponsibly, and without any thought for the consequences, and those who feel it's their right to fuel this insane behaviour in the name of profit.

Publicans already have the right (duty?) to refuse to serve anyone who they think is drunk, and I'm sure the majority of them do just that. Although clearly there are some who can't tell when a person is drunk, or choose to flout that regulation, and others (larger establishments in particular) who cut prices for particular groups or drinks that seem innocuous and have a high alcohol content. Just watch the parties of youngsters in particular out on the town at weekends if you want evidence of inebriation.

Personally, I'd be in favour of raising the legal age for drinking alcohol in a pub to 21, and only allow alcohol to be served to under 21s with a proper meal.

As to the number of pubs - if the number of drinkers was limited, it'd sort itself out very quickly.
Up front, I must say like a drink. Or two or three. I think the problem is not the number of pubs and other licensed premises. It's to do with people who drink irresponsibly, and without any thought for the consequences, and those who feel it's their right to fuel this insane behaviour in the name of profit. Publicans already have the right (duty?) to refuse to serve anyone who they think is drunk, and I'm sure the majority of them do just that. Although clearly there are some who can't tell when a person is drunk, or choose to flout that regulation, and others (larger establishments in particular) who cut prices for particular groups or drinks that seem innocuous and have a high alcohol content. Just watch the parties of youngsters in particular out on the town at weekends if you want evidence of inebriation. Personally, I'd be in favour of raising the legal age for drinking alcohol in a pub to 21, and only allow alcohol to be served to under 21s with a proper meal. As to the number of pubs - if the number of drinkers was limited, it'd sort itself out very quickly. MarkyMarkMark
  • Score: 10

7:40pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Thecynic says...

Right on MarkyMarkMark, I've said this for a long time. Instead of bringing in more restrictions, whether it be no more pubs or altering hours? Tackle the source of the problem.

Clamp down on the establishments who serve drunk people with more alcohol, if they hit them hard in their pocket, then the problem will sort itself out.
They are after all breaking the law by serving someone who is drunk.

If these drunk hooligans buy their own drink to drink in the streets either before, after, or in-between visiting pubs? Then that is a police matter, and not one to do with restricting outlets or hours.

At the end of the day, laws already exist to cater for this problem, we don't need more regulations which may restrict our freedom of choice of venue in the future.

Most City center pubs have CCTV these days so it should be reasonably easy for the police, (should any objections arise) to prove whether a set group of hooligans were served while drunk in a particular establishment.

You have the tools and the laws police, use them to curtail the problems and stop trying to restrict our freedom of choice.
Right on MarkyMarkMark, I've said this for a long time. Instead of bringing in more restrictions, whether it be no more pubs or altering hours? Tackle the source of the problem. Clamp down on the establishments who serve drunk people with more alcohol, if they hit them hard in their pocket, then the problem will sort itself out. They are after all breaking the law by serving someone who is drunk. If these drunk hooligans buy their own drink to drink in the streets either before, after, or in-between visiting pubs? Then that is a police matter, and not one to do with restricting outlets or hours. At the end of the day, laws already exist to cater for this problem, we don't need more regulations which may restrict our freedom of choice of venue in the future. Most City center pubs have CCTV these days so it should be reasonably easy for the police, (should any objections arise) to prove whether a set group of hooligans were served while drunk in a particular establishment. You have the tools and the laws police, use them to curtail the problems and stop trying to restrict our freedom of choice. Thecynic
  • Score: 4

2:39am Tue 18 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

Shame pubs and clubs can't have breath analysers at the doors... if a person is above a certain limit they aren't even allowed in to start off with. It'd cut down on one big source of the problem: predrinking, people who are already half shot before they even hit the streets.
Shame pubs and clubs can't have breath analysers at the doors... if a person is above a certain limit they aren't even allowed in to start off with. It'd cut down on one big source of the problem: predrinking, people who are already half shot before they even hit the streets. Magicman!
  • Score: 1

7:44am Tue 18 Mar 14

anistasia says...

The first posting on here makes some valid points but how can people get so drunk they have a few drinks before going into town.so after a few pub visits they are legless but still get served in other places yes this does need addressing.if you put up the price of drink it only hurts those sensible drinkers.it all comes down to greed.if you raise the age for drinking you'll still get under age drinkers and even at 21 people still get drunk and fight or jump into the rivers.when this happens it takes up a lot of police time and in case of a fight ambulance and hospital time.you had the money to go out get totally drunk your own doing you should pay for your medical treatment.hopefully knowing you have to pay for treatment this might make you stop getting drunk.how many drunks or drug users come into a&e time and time again.all I wish to see people to go out enjoy a drink and get home safe.and if laws need to be changed to achieve this so be it.
The first posting on here makes some valid points but how can people get so drunk they have a few drinks before going into town.so after a few pub visits they are legless but still get served in other places yes this does need addressing.if you put up the price of drink it only hurts those sensible drinkers.it all comes down to greed.if you raise the age for drinking you'll still get under age drinkers and even at 21 people still get drunk and fight or jump into the rivers.when this happens it takes up a lot of police time and in case of a fight ambulance and hospital time.you had the money to go out get totally drunk your own doing you should pay for your medical treatment.hopefully knowing you have to pay for treatment this might make you stop getting drunk.how many drunks or drug users come into a&e time and time again.all I wish to see people to go out enjoy a drink and get home safe.and if laws need to be changed to achieve this so be it. anistasia
  • Score: 2

8:04am Tue 18 Mar 14

anistasia says...

Just seen the police and council agree to have no more pubs and bar restrictions in parts of York town centre what about the outskirts of York the under age teenagers drinking been young getting so drunk some even age 12 very bad for their health at such a young age.hope the police don't forget about outskirts and still patrol these areas.if bars and other drinking places get more restrictions put on them in town clamping down on under age drinkers or people banned from town centre these people will still go out and drink but in the outskirts of the city.
Just seen the police and council agree to have no more pubs and bar restrictions in parts of York town centre what about the outskirts of York the under age teenagers drinking been young getting so drunk some even age 12 very bad for their health at such a young age.hope the police don't forget about outskirts and still patrol these areas.if bars and other drinking places get more restrictions put on them in town clamping down on under age drinkers or people banned from town centre these people will still go out and drink but in the outskirts of the city. anistasia
  • Score: -3

11:43am Tue 18 Mar 14

Captain Beige says...

a letter from 'Wallis Simpson' (how the Polish name is pronounced) - hmm - really?
a letter from 'Wallis Simpson' (how the Polish name is pronounced) - hmm - really? Captain Beige
  • Score: -4

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