Parking near to schools just lazy

York Press: Parking near to schools just lazy Parking near to schools just lazy

CITY of York Council should be congratulated for the proposed scheme to video parents parking illegally or unsafely close to schools (The Press, February 4). This is long overdue because practically all schools are blighted with this affliction.

Too many lame excuses are used for what is laziness and lack of responsibility when it comes to educating children on road behaviour and the health benefits of walking to school.

Sensibly the council is using the old carrot-and-stick approach, with the Parents’ Parking Promise scheme to run alongside the cameras. But too many parents believe they can stop anywhere near their child’s school to drop them off with no regard for other road users and particularly other children of the same school.

Perhaps this country should adopt the Maltese regulations where the road on which the school is situated is closed completely at times close to starting and finishing hours of the school.

Martin Crudge, Dodsworth Avenue, York.

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12:36pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

Valid points, but sending a car into the fray? - perhaps someone will video the video car to ensure it is not adding to the problem. Why can't an attendant use bus or bike or shoe leather to visit schools and use a hand/body camera if this is required?
Valid points, but sending a car into the fray? - perhaps someone will video the video car to ensure it is not adding to the problem. Why can't an attendant use bus or bike or shoe leather to visit schools and use a hand/body camera if this is required? Mulgrave

12:48pm Fri 7 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

Using a spy bike will probably be the quickest way of getting there and of moving around unobtrusively.
Using a spy bike will probably be the quickest way of getting there and of moving around unobtrusively. pedalling paul

1:44pm Fri 7 Feb 14

maybejustmaybe says...

can we send our own evidence in? I could email cyc daily with photos of the menaces outside the minster school.
can we send our own evidence in? I could email cyc daily with photos of the menaces outside the minster school. maybejustmaybe

1:58pm Fri 7 Feb 14

sheps lad says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Using a spy bike will probably be the quickest way of getting there and of moving around unobtrusively.
And will probably be the quickest way of getting pushed off their preferred mode of transport by someone who expects to drive anywhere on the open roads as per TV ads!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Using a spy bike will probably be the quickest way of getting there and of moving around unobtrusively.[/p][/quote]And will probably be the quickest way of getting pushed off their preferred mode of transport by someone who expects to drive anywhere on the open roads as per TV ads! sheps lad

2:14pm Fri 7 Feb 14

anistasia says...

People who drive should know the law you can't park on zigzags or double yellow lines.which are normally found outside schools but people still park on them.these restrictions are there for a purpose choose to ignore the law expect to pay the fine.
People who drive should know the law you can't park on zigzags or double yellow lines.which are normally found outside schools but people still park on them.these restrictions are there for a purpose choose to ignore the law expect to pay the fine. anistasia

2:32pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

anistasia wrote:
People who drive should know the law you can't park on zigzags or double yellow lines.which are normally found outside schools but people still park on them.these restrictions are there for a purpose choose to ignore the law expect to pay the fine.
With regard to yellow lines, they signify "No waiting" but it is legitimate to pick up or set down passengers or load/unload unless there are additional restrictions such as a Clearway.
[quote][p][bold]anistasia[/bold] wrote: People who drive should know the law you can't park on zigzags or double yellow lines.which are normally found outside schools but people still park on them.these restrictions are there for a purpose choose to ignore the law expect to pay the fine.[/p][/quote]With regard to yellow lines, they signify "No waiting" but it is legitimate to pick up or set down passengers or load/unload unless there are additional restrictions such as a Clearway. Mulgrave

6:44pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Bo Jolly says...

Can we just be clear about the camera car issue? It's not an issue about some people being inconsiderate when dropping off /picking up at schools. Its about the introduction of a camera car!

The car will operate at all times and will be used to rove the city, leading to tickets being issued for real and, if the experience in other local authorities is to be believed, 'apparent' parking offences. Just last week, the BBC reported a case of a driver fined for supposedly parking in a bus stop, when in fact she/he was in a queue of traffic. The way it seems to work is that the cars video great swathes of the street and issue tickets indiscriminately, and then rely on people appealing to work out which traffic offences were genuine and which weren't. In places that have these cars operating, the outcry locally is so great that the government has indicated that it intends to outlaw their use by councils.

The linking of the introduction of the camera car to the emotive subject of schools is just pure spin...
Can we just be clear about the camera car issue? It's not an issue about some people being inconsiderate when dropping off /picking up at schools. Its about the introduction of a camera car! The car will operate at all times and will be used to rove the city, leading to tickets being issued for real and, if the experience in other local authorities is to be believed, 'apparent' parking offences. Just last week, the BBC reported a case of a driver fined for supposedly parking in a bus stop, when in fact she/he was in a queue of traffic. The way it seems to work is that the cars video great swathes of the street and issue tickets indiscriminately, and then rely on people appealing to work out which traffic offences were genuine and which weren't. In places that have these cars operating, the outcry locally is so great that the government has indicated that it intends to outlaw their use by councils. The linking of the introduction of the camera car to the emotive subject of schools is just pure spin... Bo Jolly

9:10pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Teabag1 says...

No wonder obesity is on the rise ! I realise that some people need to use there cars if they are going straight to work from dropping there kids off but I suspect some are keen to get back to Jeremy Kyle and a packet of choccie biscuits!
No wonder obesity is on the rise ! I realise that some people need to use there cars if they are going straight to work from dropping there kids off but I suspect some are keen to get back to Jeremy Kyle and a packet of choccie biscuits! Teabag1

10:33pm Fri 7 Feb 14

bolero says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Using a spy bike will probably be the quickest way of getting there and of moving around unobtrusively.
There unobtrusiveness is certainly demonstrated on the new £900,000 cycle path at Haxby. I haven't seen one yet.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Using a spy bike will probably be the quickest way of getting there and of moving around unobtrusively.[/p][/quote]There unobtrusiveness is certainly demonstrated on the new £900,000 cycle path at Haxby. I haven't seen one yet. bolero

10:43pm Fri 7 Feb 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

It's about raising cash, don't you get it?
It's about raising cash, don't you get it? ColdAsChristmas

4:03am Sat 8 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

Mulgrave wrote:
Valid points, but sending a car into the fray? - perhaps someone will video the video car to ensure it is not adding to the problem. Why can't an attendant use bus or bike or shoe leather to visit schools and use a hand/body camera if this is required?
Because some people feel they have the God-given right to drive/park anywhere, even to the point of verbally or physically assulting anybody who is trying to enforce the law.
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: Valid points, but sending a car into the fray? - perhaps someone will video the video car to ensure it is not adding to the problem. Why can't an attendant use bus or bike or shoe leather to visit schools and use a hand/body camera if this is required?[/p][/quote]Because some people feel they have the God-given right to drive/park anywhere, even to the point of verbally or physically assulting anybody who is trying to enforce the law. Magicman!

4:11am Sat 8 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

Can the camera car start off at Yearsley Grove please?
Every day that street is reduced to single lane by inconsiderate parents parking on BOTH sides of the road without allowing any passing points for the full length of the street right the way from Huntington Road to the link road for Anthea Drive (of which they park the full length of that too). Obviously I don't have to go in depth to describe just how blantly dangerous this is for anybody not only crossing the road but trying to use it, especially those on bikes (even children coming home from other nearby schools) who have no way of being able to see if traffic is coming the other way. On entering the link road from Anthea Drive, a person can get partway down and a car will come from Yearsley Grove and drive straight at them due t parked cars being in the way. Make the full length of Yearsley Grove and Whenby Grove (up to Skewsby grove) have Clearway restrictions on at least one side of the road between 8am-9am and between 2.30pm-4pm with full enforcement, and have 24/7 clearway restrictions on the little link road between Whenby Grove and Anthea Drive.
Can the camera car start off at Yearsley Grove please? Every day that street is reduced to single lane by inconsiderate parents parking on BOTH sides of the road without allowing any passing points for the full length of the street right the way from Huntington Road to the link road for Anthea Drive (of which they park the full length of that too). Obviously I don't have to go in depth to describe just how blantly dangerous this is for anybody not only crossing the road but trying to use it, especially those on bikes (even children coming home from other nearby schools) who have no way of being able to see if traffic is coming the other way. On entering the link road from Anthea Drive, a person can get partway down and a car will come from Yearsley Grove and drive straight at them due t parked cars being in the way. Make the full length of Yearsley Grove and Whenby Grove (up to Skewsby grove) have Clearway restrictions on at least one side of the road between 8am-9am and between 2.30pm-4pm with full enforcement, and have 24/7 clearway restrictions on the little link road between Whenby Grove and Anthea Drive. Magicman!

4:12am Sat 8 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

And also... most of the cars I see parked up waiting for kids at Yearsley Grove school, I see earlier or later in the day parked at a house not more than 1 mile from the school.
And also... most of the cars I see parked up waiting for kids at Yearsley Grove school, I see earlier or later in the day parked at a house not more than 1 mile from the school. Magicman!

7:47am Sat 8 Feb 14

pedalling paul says...

bolero wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Using a spy bike will probably be the quickest way of getting there and of moving around unobtrusively.
There unobtrusiveness is certainly demonstrated on the new £900,000 cycle path at Haxby. I haven't seen one yet.
Still waiting for a new bridge span over the Scarborough railway line near to Ha by Road. Can't open the route until it is completed later this Spring......you silly billy!
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Using a spy bike will probably be the quickest way of getting there and of moving around unobtrusively.[/p][/quote]There unobtrusiveness is certainly demonstrated on the new £900,000 cycle path at Haxby. I haven't seen one yet.[/p][/quote]Still waiting for a new bridge span over the Scarborough railway line near to Ha by Road. Can't open the route until it is completed later this Spring......you silly billy! pedalling paul

9:32am Sat 8 Feb 14

Thecynic says...

Mulgrave wrote:
anistasia wrote:
People who drive should know the law you can't park on zigzags or double yellow lines.which are normally found outside schools but people still park on them.these restrictions are there for a purpose choose to ignore the law expect to pay the fine.
With regard to yellow lines, they signify "No waiting" but it is legitimate to pick up or set down passengers or load/unload unless there are additional restrictions such as a Clearway.
With single yellow lines yes. Depending on the upright displayed plate.
However Double yellow lines mean you can't wait, park, pick up or set down passengers at any time. - See the official regulation on the Government website here:
https://www.gov.uk/w
aiting-and-parking/w
aiting-and-parking-2
38
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anistasia[/bold] wrote: People who drive should know the law you can't park on zigzags or double yellow lines.which are normally found outside schools but people still park on them.these restrictions are there for a purpose choose to ignore the law expect to pay the fine.[/p][/quote]With regard to yellow lines, they signify "No waiting" but it is legitimate to pick up or set down passengers or load/unload unless there are additional restrictions such as a Clearway.[/p][/quote]With single yellow lines yes. Depending on the upright displayed plate. However Double yellow lines mean you can't wait, park, pick up or set down passengers at any time. - See the official regulation on the Government website here: https://www.gov.uk/w aiting-and-parking/w aiting-and-parking-2 38 Thecynic

10:05am Sat 8 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

Thecynic wrote:
Mulgrave wrote:
anistasia wrote:
People who drive should know the law you can't park on zigzags or double yellow lines.which are normally found outside schools but people still park on them.these restrictions are there for a purpose choose to ignore the law expect to pay the fine.
With regard to yellow lines, they signify "No waiting" but it is legitimate to pick up or set down passengers or load/unload unless there are additional restrictions such as a Clearway.
With single yellow lines yes. Depending on the upright displayed plate.
However Double yellow lines mean you can't wait, park, pick up or set down passengers at any time. - See the official regulation on the Government website here:
https://www.gov.uk/w

aiting-and-parking/w

aiting-and-parking-2

38
With respect, I think you have missed a full stop before the paragraph moves on to school entrance zones. Basically single yellows must have a plate to show time of day or sometimes even time of year and doubles are exactly the same in legal stature but they are 24/7 and a plate is not needed but is often installed.
[quote][p][bold]Thecynic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anistasia[/bold] wrote: People who drive should know the law you can't park on zigzags or double yellow lines.which are normally found outside schools but people still park on them.these restrictions are there for a purpose choose to ignore the law expect to pay the fine.[/p][/quote]With regard to yellow lines, they signify "No waiting" but it is legitimate to pick up or set down passengers or load/unload unless there are additional restrictions such as a Clearway.[/p][/quote]With single yellow lines yes. Depending on the upright displayed plate. However Double yellow lines mean you can't wait, park, pick up or set down passengers at any time. - See the official regulation on the Government website here: https://www.gov.uk/w aiting-and-parking/w aiting-and-parking-2 38[/p][/quote]With respect, I think you have missed a full stop before the paragraph moves on to school entrance zones. Basically single yellows must have a plate to show time of day or sometimes even time of year and doubles are exactly the same in legal stature but they are 24/7 and a plate is not needed but is often installed. Mulgrave

12:04pm Sat 8 Feb 14

AnotherPointofView says...

pedalling paul wrote:
bolero wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Using a spy bike will probably be the quickest way of getting there and of moving around unobtrusively.
There unobtrusiveness is certainly demonstrated on the new £900,000 cycle path at Haxby. I haven't seen one yet.
Still waiting for a new bridge span over the Scarborough railway line near to Ha by Road. Can't open the route until it is completed later this Spring......you silly billy!
Since the vast majority of the cycle path IS finished, surely anyone wanting to cycle to/from Haxby to Clifton Moor would use it. The fact that despite driving on that part of the ring road several times a day, almost daily, I have only seen it used on four occasions.

It has been a huge waste of money. At that price (£900,000) it's even more of a waste of money than the £600,000 this council is wasting on putting up 20mph signs around York.... and that's a huge waste of money as nobody takes any notice.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Using a spy bike will probably be the quickest way of getting there and of moving around unobtrusively.[/p][/quote]There unobtrusiveness is certainly demonstrated on the new £900,000 cycle path at Haxby. I haven't seen one yet.[/p][/quote]Still waiting for a new bridge span over the Scarborough railway line near to Ha by Road. Can't open the route until it is completed later this Spring......you silly billy![/p][/quote]Since the vast majority of the cycle path IS finished, surely anyone wanting to cycle to/from Haxby to Clifton Moor would use it. The fact that despite driving on that part of the ring road several times a day, almost daily, I have only seen it used on four occasions. It has been a huge waste of money. At that price (£900,000) it's even more of a waste of money than the £600,000 this council is wasting on putting up 20mph signs around York.... and that's a huge waste of money as nobody takes any notice. AnotherPointofView

5:38pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

Magicman! wrote:
Mulgrave wrote:
Valid points, but sending a car into the fray? - perhaps someone will video the video car to ensure it is not adding to the problem. Why can't an attendant use bus or bike or shoe leather to visit schools and use a hand/body camera if this is required?
Because some people feel they have the God-given right to drive/park anywhere, even to the point of verbally or physically assulting anybody who is trying to enforce the law.
Whilst there have always been problems, the transfer of responsibility for parking enforcement from police to council about a dozen years ago started off well, there were a couple of little vans that used to take the wardens to all corners of CoYCs patch, but then the LibDem administration went mad with the yellow paint in the city which was more about raising revenue in the car parks, and there was a huge hike in the fees for Residents' Parking schemes, with the sop that the attendants were tasked to look for interlopers for a far greater proportion of their time. Believe me Magicman, I know first hand how waiting restrictions are disregarded by many, I had one outside a former home, it was there because if someone parked on it and there were vehicles parked on the permitted side of the street, one of the five buses an hour each way couldn't pass. Moron after moron, year after year thought they knew better, and I ended up having some blunt conversations 6 or 7 years ago with the head of parking as to why no enforcement was carried out from one years end to the next, which ended up with an admission that it was very unlikely anything would change.

Everyone knew that no wardens ever ventured out, and of course the issue is not now in the remit of the police, if it is the case that things are now so bad that it is not "safe" for a warden to attend, then some blame must be attatched to both the former and current administration who have accepted the status quo, and Eric Pickles doesn't help by seeming to suggest that parking for 5 or 10 minutes on a line is fine - if it is then that yellow line is not needed in the first place!

I am not convinced that a video car is such a great idea, there are the grey areas around the legitimate reasons to stop, and if the bad parking has brought traffic to a halt the camera car won't get near the offender/s. There was one in use in East Yorkshire a few years ago, but I think they use just wardens now.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: Valid points, but sending a car into the fray? - perhaps someone will video the video car to ensure it is not adding to the problem. Why can't an attendant use bus or bike or shoe leather to visit schools and use a hand/body camera if this is required?[/p][/quote]Because some people feel they have the God-given right to drive/park anywhere, even to the point of verbally or physically assulting anybody who is trying to enforce the law.[/p][/quote]Whilst there have always been problems, the transfer of responsibility for parking enforcement from police to council about a dozen years ago started off well, there were a couple of little vans that used to take the wardens to all corners of CoYCs patch, but then the LibDem administration went mad with the yellow paint in the city which was more about raising revenue in the car parks, and there was a huge hike in the fees for Residents' Parking schemes, with the sop that the attendants were tasked to look for interlopers for a far greater proportion of their time. Believe me Magicman, I know first hand how waiting restrictions are disregarded by many, I had one outside a former home, it was there because if someone parked on it and there were vehicles parked on the permitted side of the street, one of the five buses an hour each way couldn't pass. Moron after moron, year after year thought they knew better, and I ended up having some blunt conversations 6 or 7 years ago with the head of parking as to why no enforcement was carried out from one years end to the next, which ended up with an admission that it was very unlikely anything would change. Everyone knew that no wardens ever ventured out, and of course the issue is not now in the remit of the police, if it is the case that things are now so bad that it is not "safe" for a warden to attend, then some blame must be attatched to both the former and current administration who have accepted the status quo, and Eric Pickles doesn't help by seeming to suggest that parking for 5 or 10 minutes on a line is fine - if it is then that yellow line is not needed in the first place! I am not convinced that a video car is such a great idea, there are the grey areas around the legitimate reasons to stop, and if the bad parking has brought traffic to a halt the camera car won't get near the offender/s. There was one in use in East Yorkshire a few years ago, but I think they use just wardens now. Mulgrave

4:10am Sun 9 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
bolero wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Using a spy bike will probably be the quickest way of getting there and of moving around unobtrusively.
There unobtrusiveness is certainly demonstrated on the new £900,000 cycle path at Haxby. I haven't seen one yet.
Still waiting for a new bridge span over the Scarborough railway line near to Ha by Road. Can't open the route until it is completed later this Spring......you silly billy!
Since the vast majority of the cycle path IS finished, surely anyone wanting to cycle to/from Haxby to Clifton Moor would use it. The fact that despite driving on that part of the ring road several times a day, almost daily, I have only seen it used on four occasions.

It has been a huge waste of money. At that price (£900,000) it's even more of a waste of money than the £600,000 this council is wasting on putting up 20mph signs around York.... and that's a huge waste of money as nobody takes any notice.
Whilst the path may see some use for people cycling from Haxby/New Earswick to Clifton moor, using it the other way without the bridge there is pointless - as you'd have to cross traffic lanes to get to the cycle path, rid all of a couple hundred meters on the path, and then try to cross the A1237 at the foot of a bridge, both lanes of traffic, to continue on your way. If the road itself was built up to the railway line but didn't have any form of crossing over the railway line, would you be saying "why aren't people driving along there? it's a waste of money because nobody uses it"?? Using your line of reasoning, when the Moor Lane bridge (near Askham Bar) was taken out to be replaced about 3 years ago over the Christmas and new year period, you would have thought Moor Lane was a wasted road because nobody was driving along it... "ooh this road is quiet... arrrgh" splat, train horn, smash, blood etc...
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Using a spy bike will probably be the quickest way of getting there and of moving around unobtrusively.[/p][/quote]There unobtrusiveness is certainly demonstrated on the new £900,000 cycle path at Haxby. I haven't seen one yet.[/p][/quote]Still waiting for a new bridge span over the Scarborough railway line near to Ha by Road. Can't open the route until it is completed later this Spring......you silly billy![/p][/quote]Since the vast majority of the cycle path IS finished, surely anyone wanting to cycle to/from Haxby to Clifton Moor would use it. The fact that despite driving on that part of the ring road several times a day, almost daily, I have only seen it used on four occasions. It has been a huge waste of money. At that price (£900,000) it's even more of a waste of money than the £600,000 this council is wasting on putting up 20mph signs around York.... and that's a huge waste of money as nobody takes any notice.[/p][/quote]Whilst the path may see some use for people cycling from Haxby/New Earswick to Clifton moor, using it the other way without the bridge there is pointless - as you'd have to cross traffic lanes to get to the cycle path, rid all of a couple hundred meters on the path, and then try to cross the A1237 at the foot of a bridge, both lanes of traffic, to continue on your way. If the road itself was built up to the railway line but didn't have any form of crossing over the railway line, would you be saying "why aren't people driving along there? it's a waste of money because nobody uses it"?? Using your line of reasoning, when the Moor Lane bridge (near Askham Bar) was taken out to be replaced about 3 years ago over the Christmas and new year period, you would have thought Moor Lane was a wasted road because nobody was driving along it... "ooh this road is quiet... arrrgh" splat, train horn, smash, blood etc... Magicman!

8:04am Tue 11 Feb 14

Kroythrundthru says...

I would give them all 6 points on thier licence and £100 instant fine. They are just lazy badly organised parents/chil carers.
I would give them all 6 points on thier licence and £100 instant fine. They are just lazy badly organised parents/chil carers. Kroythrundthru

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