Worried on fines

Worried on fines

Worried on fines

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THE recently published figures of the number of people fined for crossing Lendal Bridge brings worrying thoughts of the outcome of this farcical project.

Those visitors who have been fined will no doubt tell their friends that York is not the friendliest place. More than 40,000 have been fined at the most recent count, 80 per cent of whom are visitors, who will no doubt tell their friends.

Although the recent statement from the director of Visit York seems to suggest there is no concern, I doubt if the recipients of fines will agree with him.

Every effort is being made to attract people to visit Yorkshire, especially this year for the Tour de France in July. What a shame if the talking point on all the news stories is about Lendal Bridge closures.

City of York Council stands accused of the biggest scandal it has ever caused. The local elections are not too far away and I have no doubt voters will remember the present regime for its inept stewardship.

Every week there are negative letters in your paper on this subject; we can’t all be wrong.

Stop the madness now before the world hears we don’t want tourists in our city.

Eddie Benson, Crookland Lane, Haxby, York.

 

• READING the daily accounts of people caught driving over Lendal Bridge during restricted hours, I agree with Frank Allender of Rossendale (Letters, January 30).

Surely some of them were of sufficient intelligence to at least realise that they should not do it and that a financial penalty may follow, but did it anyway.

Others obviously didn’t think this would be the case. For the benefit of future would-be transgressors I suggest that four little words are added to the signage: “You will be fined” and then there’s no excuse.

Maybe this was thought about but omitted on purpose.

Mike Harrison, Millfield Lane, Nether Poppleton, York.

 

• I MUST say, in retirement the closing of Lendal Bridge suits me fine. As I live within walking distance of the bridge, it is nice to have the clear air for a change.

In summer (when we get one), I would come to York along the bar walls from Micklegate, and from the clear air on the walls the traffic fumes really hit you at the Lendal Bridge end.

Allan Denney, Catesby House, Holgate Road, York.

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11:18am Tue 4 Feb 14

far2bizzy says...

Apparently we have in the order of 7 million visitors to York each year. If this can be increased by as little as 1% by improving the environment around the Minster then the closure will still bring in increased numbers. And that’s assuming every person fined chooses not to return, which I find highly unlikely.
Apparently we have in the order of 7 million visitors to York each year. If this can be increased by as little as 1% by improving the environment around the Minster then the closure will still bring in increased numbers. And that’s assuming every person fined chooses not to return, which I find highly unlikely. far2bizzy
  • Score: 5

12:20pm Tue 4 Feb 14

maccagraeme says...

Another week, another Lendal Bridge rant.........
Another week, another Lendal Bridge rant......... maccagraeme
  • Score: 4

12:25pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Hicarrumba says...

Here we go again, farcical closure, visitors leaving in droves, news splashing the story all over the country, oh wait! News splashing it all over the country, there sorted people will see the news and avoid the bridge.
If they don't and choose to use then pay the fine and shut up moaning. Its clearly marked, and its not as if you are whipping by at 30mph to miss the massive writing on the road that says bus lane.

Are we the only city that has these signs and markings?

Oh, thought not, now move on and leave it. I still believe the people moaning about it being a farce are the ones scared to say they got caught and are grumpy.
Here we go again, farcical closure, visitors leaving in droves, news splashing the story all over the country, oh wait! News splashing it all over the country, there sorted people will see the news and avoid the bridge. If they don't and choose to use then pay the fine and shut up moaning. Its clearly marked, and its not as if you are whipping by at 30mph to miss the massive writing on the road that says bus lane. Are we the only city that has these signs and markings? Oh, thought not, now move on and leave it. I still believe the people moaning about it being a farce are the ones scared to say they got caught and are grumpy. Hicarrumba
  • Score: -8

1:02pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

The real fun and games will come if and when the closure reaches a year, then the figures will get national publicity in the league tables of most lucrative camera, 40k PCNs in 4 months is 120k in a year - even at £30 a time that is £3.6 million, above the yellow box junction in London that enjoys national fame with about £2.5 million.
The real fun and games will come if and when the closure reaches a year, then the figures will get national publicity in the league tables of most lucrative camera, 40k PCNs in 4 months is 120k in a year - even at £30 a time that is £3.6 million, above the yellow box junction in London that enjoys national fame with about £2.5 million. Mulgrave
  • Score: 12

1:20pm Tue 4 Feb 14

WhyEver says...

The huge number of fines continues to distract from the fundamentals of this trial (only 3 weeks to go now!).

Mr Denney is right to highlight the improvement he sees around Lendal.

Unfortunately the rest of the City is seeing more traffic and more congestion. 5-10 minutes extra for some off-peak journeys around the Foss Islands side of town.

The council need to listen to the feedback from everybody at the end of the trial and not just dismiss these problems as "acceptable".
The huge number of fines continues to distract from the fundamentals of this trial (only 3 weeks to go now!). Mr Denney is right to highlight the improvement he sees around Lendal. Unfortunately the rest of the City is seeing more traffic and more congestion. 5-10 minutes extra for some off-peak journeys around the Foss Islands side of town. The council need to listen to the feedback from everybody at the end of the trial and not just dismiss these problems as "acceptable". WhyEver
  • Score: 17

2:17pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Lunatic says...

Frankly, legitimacy of the closure aside, if people can't see the great big road markings they're driving without due care and attention and they have no one to blame but themselves.
Frankly, legitimacy of the closure aside, if people can't see the great big road markings they're driving without due care and attention and they have no one to blame but themselves. Lunatic
  • Score: -10

6:48pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Vine Weevil says...

Participants in this discussion so far do not seem to have received the nice little leaflet entitled 'Improving York's City Centre' which has been kindly distributed / concealed in junk mail to all residents in the city.
Apart from declaring the Lendal Bridge trial to be a success, it describes more pointless projects aimed at justifying an increase in council tax.
From a personal point of view the Lendal Bridge closure has so far cost me more than £2,000, not in fines but in lost income as I sat in traffic jams when I should have been working. Other self employed people across York will have suffered similar losses.
Participants in this discussion so far do not seem to have received the nice little leaflet entitled 'Improving York's City Centre' which has been kindly distributed / concealed in junk mail to all residents in the city. Apart from declaring the Lendal Bridge trial to be a success, it describes more pointless projects aimed at justifying an increase in council tax. From a personal point of view the Lendal Bridge closure has so far cost me more than £2,000, not in fines but in lost income as I sat in traffic jams when I should have been working. Other self employed people across York will have suffered similar losses. Vine Weevil
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Tue 4 Feb 14

tonyfromitaly says...

I sat in my diesel van today at an average 2mph if that, crawling and stopping along bish road then to foss island then through onto lord mayors.
My contribution to the bad air pollution caused by the bridge closure.
No Merritt in that is there.
I sat in my diesel van today at an average 2mph if that, crawling and stopping along bish road then to foss island then through onto lord mayors. My contribution to the bad air pollution caused by the bridge closure. No Merritt in that is there. tonyfromitaly
  • Score: 10

9:22pm Tue 4 Feb 14

wallman says...

certain labour councillors have said its their aim in life to rid York centre of all cars and implement the 20 is plenty sped limit whatever the council tax payers want
certain labour councillors have said its their aim in life to rid York centre of all cars and implement the 20 is plenty sped limit whatever the council tax payers want wallman
  • Score: 1

10:34pm Tue 4 Feb 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

'certain labour councillors have said its their aim in life to rid York centre of all cars and implement the 20 is plenty sped limit whatever the council tax payers want.' wallman.

Don't worry, they won't have a say in the matter after the election!
'certain labour councillors have said its their aim in life to rid York centre of all cars and implement the 20 is plenty sped limit whatever the council tax payers want.' wallman. Don't worry, they won't have a say in the matter after the election! ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 13

9:23am Wed 5 Feb 14

CaroleBaines says...

Seems York is not alone in this sort of fiasco. 80,000 fined for bus line driving in Birmingham recently, again over a short period of time. And £9m in fines for same kind of thing in London. Ref - Radio 5 yesterday.

Is it coincidence or government cuts leading to Councils getting 'inventive' with fund raising ideas!?
Seems York is not alone in this sort of fiasco. 80,000 fined for bus line driving in Birmingham recently, again over a short period of time. And £9m in fines for same kind of thing in London. Ref - Radio 5 yesterday. Is it coincidence or government cuts leading to Councils getting 'inventive' with fund raising ideas!? CaroleBaines
  • Score: 5

9:45am Wed 5 Feb 14

mjgyork says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
'certain labour councillors have said its their aim in life to rid York centre of all cars and implement the 20 is plenty sped limit whatever the council tax payers want.' wallman.

Don't worry, they won't have a say in the matter after the election!
Of course most of the offenders are tourists. Even the most dim of York residents have got the message by now. Surely there are more pressing topics to use in your election options, than whether a bridge is closed or not. Naturally the mouseclicking toryvoters would like it to be. They hope that we will all forget the costly debacles that resulted from their last tenure.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: 'certain labour councillors have said its their aim in life to rid York centre of all cars and implement the 20 is plenty sped limit whatever the council tax payers want.' wallman. Don't worry, they won't have a say in the matter after the election![/p][/quote]Of course most of the offenders are tourists. Even the most dim of York residents have got the message by now. Surely there are more pressing topics to use in your election options, than whether a bridge is closed or not. Naturally the mouseclicking toryvoters would like it to be. They hope that we will all forget the costly debacles that resulted from their last tenure. mjgyork
  • Score: -5

9:48am Wed 5 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
Seems York is not alone in this sort of fiasco. 80,000 fined for bus line driving in Birmingham recently, again over a short period of time. And £9m in fines for same kind of thing in London. Ref - Radio 5 yesterday.

Is it coincidence or government cuts leading to Councils getting 'inventive' with fund raising ideas!?
I opened a letter at a vacant property I am working on, it was a PCN from Birmingham for a so called bus lane offence with some photographs - it was a bit of road that looked like a normal two way road (there was a sigh with the two opposing arrows) with no road markings to indicate anything about restrictions.

It does indeed look like they are all at it, and looks like the above owner deals with it by just not giving DVLA their correct details
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Seems York is not alone in this sort of fiasco. 80,000 fined for bus line driving in Birmingham recently, again over a short period of time. And £9m in fines for same kind of thing in London. Ref - Radio 5 yesterday. Is it coincidence or government cuts leading to Councils getting 'inventive' with fund raising ideas!?[/p][/quote]I opened a letter at a vacant property I am working on, it was a PCN from Birmingham for a so called bus lane offence with some photographs - it was a bit of road that looked like a normal two way road (there was a sigh with the two opposing arrows) with no road markings to indicate anything about restrictions. It does indeed look like they are all at it, and looks like the above owner deals with it by just not giving DVLA their correct details Mulgrave
  • Score: 2

9:57pm Wed 5 Feb 14

CaroleBaines says...

If I were in charge of CoYC I would see the figures and think I've done something wrong. 40k people cannot be wrong and its not surprising this is being investigated. I don't jump on the anti-council bandwagon like some, with a hidden agenda, but this has been a total farce. Harmful for York and reputation. Am not against the bridge closure, but the handling has been woefully inept.
If I were in charge of CoYC I would see the figures and think I've done something wrong. 40k people cannot be wrong and its not surprising this is being investigated. I don't jump on the anti-council bandwagon like some, with a hidden agenda, but this has been a total farce. Harmful for York and reputation. Am not against the bridge closure, but the handling has been woefully inept. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 1

9:32am Thu 6 Feb 14

Wintersfella says...

"Stop the madness now before the world hears we don’t want tourists in our city". More than 40,000 people fined, 80% of them tourists.
I visit York at least twice a year as a tourist, and see this traffic enforcement shenanigan as an absolutely easy way of robbing hard working people who put decent amounts of money into York City Centre, when visiting. I will spread the work like wild fire with my friends, as I'm sure the rest of the 80% of tourists will, and guess what? York city itself will miss out in the long term over its underhanded, sly, and morally wrong way its gone about picking peoples pockets, I just hope that its going to cost them more trying to win the people back, which they've robbed!
"Stop the madness now before the world hears we don’t want tourists in our city". More than 40,000 people fined, 80% of them tourists. I visit York at least twice a year as a tourist, and see this traffic enforcement shenanigan as an absolutely easy way of robbing hard working people who put decent amounts of money into York City Centre, when visiting. I will spread the work like wild fire with my friends, as I'm sure the rest of the 80% of tourists will, and guess what? York city itself will miss out in the long term over its underhanded, sly, and morally wrong way its gone about picking peoples pockets, I just hope that its going to cost them more trying to win the people back, which they've robbed! Wintersfella
  • Score: 2

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