Standing on their own feet

York Press: Standing on their own feet Standing on their own feet

Everyone who gets a Scottish banknote in their change seeks to get rid of it as soon as possible.

Alex Salmond wants his cake and ha’penny by wanting to keep the Bank of England pound as his currency after getting independence.

Under the Barnett formula, Scotland has been over-cosseted with public funds for many years.

Independence means standing on your own two feet, so the nationalists should not be allowed to rely on the generosity of England to prop up their economy.

If Scotland leaves the union, there will be an increase per head in the rest of the UK for public funding. They could of course, seek advice from that proud Scot, Gordon Brown, on how to make an economy appear to be thriving, when it is in fact heading for the rocks.

Geoff Robb, Hunters Close, Dunnington, York.

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12:06pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Firedrake says...

I am probably not qualified to comment on the main thrust of Mr Robb's letter, but I have never had the slightest difficulty spending Scottish money in England and consequently do not try to "get rid of it as soon as possible." Quite the contrary: from an aesthetic point of view I rather prefer it!
I am probably not qualified to comment on the main thrust of Mr Robb's letter, but I have never had the slightest difficulty spending Scottish money in England and consequently do not try to "get rid of it as soon as possible." Quite the contrary: from an aesthetic point of view I rather prefer it! Firedrake
  • Score: 5

1:04pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Prob says...

Firedrake wrote:
I am probably not qualified to comment on the main thrust of Mr Robb's letter, but I have never had the slightest difficulty spending Scottish money in England and consequently do not try to "get rid of it as soon as possible." Quite the contrary: from an aesthetic point of view I rather prefer it!
I was going to say the same

I've kept the last one i got, it's quite nice
[quote][p][bold]Firedrake[/bold] wrote: I am probably not qualified to comment on the main thrust of Mr Robb's letter, but I have never had the slightest difficulty spending Scottish money in England and consequently do not try to "get rid of it as soon as possible." Quite the contrary: from an aesthetic point of view I rather prefer it![/p][/quote]I was going to say the same I've kept the last one i got, it's quite nice Prob
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2:02pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Zetkin says...

Not for the first time, Mr Robb isn't allowing facts to get in the way of a good rant.

if anything, cash has been draining out of Scotland over the years.

I happen to think an independent Scotland should launch its own currency rather than tying itself to England or Europe, but that's the Scots' own decision to make.

I fervently hope for a Yes vote as another nail in the coffin of the British Empire, and hope that the Scots can go on to attempt to build a fairer society than they, or we, have at the moment.
Not for the first time, Mr Robb isn't allowing facts to get in the way of a good rant. if anything, cash has been draining out of Scotland over the years. I happen to think an independent Scotland should launch its own currency rather than tying itself to England or Europe, but that's the Scots' own decision to make. I fervently hope for a Yes vote as another nail in the coffin of the British Empire, and hope that the Scots can go on to attempt to build a fairer society than they, or we, have at the moment. Zetkin
  • Score: 4

2:33pm Mon 3 Feb 14

bravo whisky says...

Mr Robb mentions the cost per head for Public funding will go up in the rest of Britain, surely without the cost of free University courses, free medical prescriptions to name but two services which are not enjoyed in England, costs per head should go down as Scotland would be paying their own way.
Mr Robb mentions the cost per head for Public funding will go up in the rest of Britain, surely without the cost of free University courses, free medical prescriptions to name but two services which are not enjoyed in England, costs per head should go down as Scotland would be paying their own way. bravo whisky
  • Score: 11

3:55pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Sillybillies says...

bravo whisky wrote:
Mr Robb mentions the cost per head for Public funding will go up in the rest of Britain, surely without the cost of free University courses, free medical prescriptions to name but two services which are not enjoyed in England, costs per head should go down as Scotland would be paying their own way.
Don't think he's saying what you think he does -
If Scotland leaves the union, there will be an increase per head in the rest of the UK for public funding.

He's saying the same as you, there'll be more public money available for the UK government to spend on us.
[quote][p][bold]bravo whisky[/bold] wrote: Mr Robb mentions the cost per head for Public funding will go up in the rest of Britain, surely without the cost of free University courses, free medical prescriptions to name but two services which are not enjoyed in England, costs per head should go down as Scotland would be paying their own way.[/p][/quote]Don't think he's saying what you think he does - [quote]If Scotland leaves the union, there will be an increase per head in the rest of the UK for public funding. [/quote] He's saying the same as you, there'll be more public money available for the UK government to spend on us. Sillybillies
  • Score: 5

3:57pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Sillybillies says...

Zetkin wrote:
Not for the first time, Mr Robb isn't allowing facts to get in the way of a good rant.

if anything, cash has been draining out of Scotland over the years.

I happen to think an independent Scotland should launch its own currency rather than tying itself to England or Europe, but that's the Scots' own decision to make.

I fervently hope for a Yes vote as another nail in the coffin of the British Empire, and hope that the Scots can go on to attempt to build a fairer society than they, or we, have at the moment.
Why don't you go and live there, or perhaps North Korea would be heaven on earth to you?
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: Not for the first time, Mr Robb isn't allowing facts to get in the way of a good rant. if anything, cash has been draining out of Scotland over the years. I happen to think an independent Scotland should launch its own currency rather than tying itself to England or Europe, but that's the Scots' own decision to make. I fervently hope for a Yes vote as another nail in the coffin of the British Empire, and hope that the Scots can go on to attempt to build a fairer society than they, or we, have at the moment.[/p][/quote]Why don't you go and live there, or perhaps North Korea would be heaven on earth to you? Sillybillies
  • Score: -4

5:15pm Mon 3 Feb 14

York Fox says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Zetkin wrote:
Not for the first time, Mr Robb isn't allowing facts to get in the way of a good rant.

if anything, cash has been draining out of Scotland over the years.

I happen to think an independent Scotland should launch its own currency rather than tying itself to England or Europe, but that's the Scots' own decision to make.

I fervently hope for a Yes vote as another nail in the coffin of the British Empire, and hope that the Scots can go on to attempt to build a fairer society than they, or we, have at the moment.
Why don't you go and live there, or perhaps North Korea would be heaven on earth to you?
I think many of us would love to see Zetkin commenting from his socialist utopia, except of course he would be shot for doing so!

Back to the letter, I think that when you allow for oil and gas revenues the Scottish pay in a little more per head, possibly wiping out the Barnett formula difference and then some.

Of course oil reserves are falling and will eventually run out, at which point Scotland will lose 20% of it's economy. The UK would only lose 1.5%. I know where I would rather be in a few decades time.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: Not for the first time, Mr Robb isn't allowing facts to get in the way of a good rant. if anything, cash has been draining out of Scotland over the years. I happen to think an independent Scotland should launch its own currency rather than tying itself to England or Europe, but that's the Scots' own decision to make. I fervently hope for a Yes vote as another nail in the coffin of the British Empire, and hope that the Scots can go on to attempt to build a fairer society than they, or we, have at the moment.[/p][/quote]Why don't you go and live there, or perhaps North Korea would be heaven on earth to you?[/p][/quote]I think many of us would love to see Zetkin commenting from his socialist utopia, except of course he would be shot for doing so! Back to the letter, I think that when you allow for oil and gas revenues the Scottish pay in a little more per head, possibly wiping out the Barnett formula difference and then some. Of course oil reserves are falling and will eventually run out, at which point Scotland will lose 20% of it's economy. The UK would only lose 1.5%. I know where I would rather be in a few decades time. York Fox
  • Score: 3

7:17pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Jonthan says...

I don't understand York Foxs' talk of a socialist Utopia. Socialism espouses equality.

North Korea is ruled by a dim-witted bunch of non-elected parasites who hand the succession from father to son and live in unearned luxury whilst those who are obliged to support them often live in squalor.
Rather more like our own royal family than socialism I would have thought.
I don't understand York Foxs' talk of a socialist Utopia. Socialism espouses equality. North Korea is ruled by a dim-witted bunch of non-elected parasites who hand the succession from father to son and live in unearned luxury whilst those who are obliged to support them often live in squalor. Rather more like our own royal family than socialism I would have thought. Jonthan
  • Score: -7

7:36pm Mon 3 Feb 14

York Fox says...

Jonthan wrote:
I don't understand York Foxs' talk of a socialist Utopia. Socialism espouses equality.

North Korea is ruled by a dim-witted bunch of non-elected parasites who hand the succession from father to son and live in unearned luxury whilst those who are obliged to support them often live in squalor.
Rather more like our own royal family than socialism I would have thought.
I wasn't specifically talking about North Korea, I was talking about the flaws inherent in the philosophy so which have been so ably demonstrated by every socialist/communist state or government ever created.

Lovely idea (except that it kills all desire for self-improvement), but completely unworkable in reality.

Democracy and true socialism cannot work together, as politicians have nothing to offer the electorate, half of whom must be held back and suffer. Of course they will not accept this destruction of freedom peacefully.

If you accept socialism you must accept state control, and if you accept state control you accept losing your right to choose, and eventually your personal freedom. Anything which threatens the socialist state must be prevented.

Personal freedom to acheive is, afterall, the ultimate marketplace of humanity.

Don't take my word for it, just look at the endless list of failures globally.
[quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: I don't understand York Foxs' talk of a socialist Utopia. Socialism espouses equality. North Korea is ruled by a dim-witted bunch of non-elected parasites who hand the succession from father to son and live in unearned luxury whilst those who are obliged to support them often live in squalor. Rather more like our own royal family than socialism I would have thought.[/p][/quote]I wasn't specifically talking about North Korea, I was talking about the flaws inherent in the philosophy so which have been so ably demonstrated by every socialist/communist state or government ever created. Lovely idea (except that it kills all desire for self-improvement), but completely unworkable in reality. Democracy and true socialism cannot work together, as politicians have nothing to offer the electorate, half of whom must be held back and suffer. Of course they will not accept this destruction of freedom peacefully. If you accept socialism you must accept state control, and if you accept state control you accept losing your right to choose, and eventually your personal freedom. Anything which threatens the socialist state must be prevented. Personal freedom to acheive is, afterall, the ultimate marketplace of humanity. Don't take my word for it, just look at the endless list of failures globally. York Fox
  • Score: 10

8:07pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Jonthan says...

York Fox wrote:
Jonthan wrote:
I don't understand York Foxs' talk of a socialist Utopia. Socialism espouses equality.

North Korea is ruled by a dim-witted bunch of non-elected parasites who hand the succession from father to son and live in unearned luxury whilst those who are obliged to support them often live in squalor.
Rather more like our own royal family than socialism I would have thought.
I wasn't specifically talking about North Korea, I was talking about the flaws inherent in the philosophy so which have been so ably demonstrated by every socialist/communist state or government ever created.

Lovely idea (except that it kills all desire for self-improvement), but completely unworkable in reality.

Democracy and true socialism cannot work together, as politicians have nothing to offer the electorate, half of whom must be held back and suffer. Of course they will not accept this destruction of freedom peacefully.

If you accept socialism you must accept state control, and if you accept state control you accept losing your right to choose, and eventually your personal freedom. Anything which threatens the socialist state must be prevented.

Personal freedom to acheive is, afterall, the ultimate marketplace of humanity.

Don't take my word for it, just look at the endless list of failures globally.
An interesting debate, though when you mention true socialism I wonder how you define it.
Nor is Socialism about state control, Marxist are very clear that their primary aim is the withering away of the state. Nevertheless I would agree with you about the Leninist model, which produces jobs, free health service, education and cheap housing (think of cuba) but all at the price of subserviance to the party.
The social democratic model, which fashioned our own post war world and that of most of the rest of Europe and the Scandanavian countries has been an outstanding success. The exceptions being Spain and Portugal where for years right wing dictators prevented both freedom and progress
[quote][p][bold]York Fox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: I don't understand York Foxs' talk of a socialist Utopia. Socialism espouses equality. North Korea is ruled by a dim-witted bunch of non-elected parasites who hand the succession from father to son and live in unearned luxury whilst those who are obliged to support them often live in squalor. Rather more like our own royal family than socialism I would have thought.[/p][/quote]I wasn't specifically talking about North Korea, I was talking about the flaws inherent in the philosophy so which have been so ably demonstrated by every socialist/communist state or government ever created. Lovely idea (except that it kills all desire for self-improvement), but completely unworkable in reality. Democracy and true socialism cannot work together, as politicians have nothing to offer the electorate, half of whom must be held back and suffer. Of course they will not accept this destruction of freedom peacefully. If you accept socialism you must accept state control, and if you accept state control you accept losing your right to choose, and eventually your personal freedom. Anything which threatens the socialist state must be prevented. Personal freedom to acheive is, afterall, the ultimate marketplace of humanity. Don't take my word for it, just look at the endless list of failures globally.[/p][/quote]An interesting debate, though when you mention true socialism I wonder how you define it. Nor is Socialism about state control, Marxist are very clear that their primary aim is the withering away of the state. Nevertheless I would agree with you about the Leninist model, which produces jobs, free health service, education and cheap housing (think of cuba) but all at the price of subserviance to the party. The social democratic model, which fashioned our own post war world and that of most of the rest of Europe and the Scandanavian countries has been an outstanding success. The exceptions being Spain and Portugal where for years right wing dictators prevented both freedom and progress Jonthan
  • Score: -3

12:45am Tue 4 Feb 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Lord help us if there was another World war with the likes of Zetkin wishing our demise!
Mr Robb also mentioned Gordon Brown, currently in hiding. He was the man giving both our money and Gold away and then put a £Billion on the table at CO2penhagen in December 2009 as part of a fund to give to countries still not under water etc. Thankfully there were no other takers.
As for control, think about your choice of light bulbs (Hillary Benn) and now try and find petrol or diesel not contaminated with bio rubbish in order to help meet government renewable energy targets.
I bet you can't even sell a house very soon without a new boiler & having your cavity walls filled with damp promoting agents.
Choice, look at Lendal Bridge, our choices are being taken away while we watch. So many areas where the right of appeal has been lost, too many to mention.
Anyway, I have said my bit.
Lord help us if there was another World war with the likes of Zetkin wishing our demise! Mr Robb also mentioned Gordon Brown, currently in hiding. He was the man giving both our money and Gold away and then put a £Billion on the table at CO2penhagen in December 2009 as part of a fund to give to countries still not under water etc. Thankfully there were no other takers. As for control, think about your choice of light bulbs (Hillary Benn) and now try and find petrol or diesel not contaminated with bio rubbish in order to help meet government renewable energy targets. I bet you can't even sell a house very soon without a new boiler & having your cavity walls filled with damp promoting agents. Choice, look at Lendal Bridge, our choices are being taken away while we watch. So many areas where the right of appeal has been lost, too many to mention. Anyway, I have said my bit. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 8

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